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Earl the goat : 1/23/2017 5:42 pm
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RE: stein was on with kay  
Deej : 1/25/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13339710 nygiants16 said:
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said knicks offered melo and jennings for love and fillers, cavs are nervous to bring in melo with 30 games left and not sure how it would work...

also said cavs feel bad trading love after he helped bring championship to cleveland..

my guess is, if cavs keepp struggling lebron will push cavs to do deal


Interestingly, the 30 games issue and the loyalty issue are not "we prefer Love to Melo/Jennings as a matter of roster construction".

I thought they might end up too committed to Love. I think he was ready to bolt Cleveland for the west coast and LeBron had to get on a plane for the famous poolside recruitment trip. I wonder whether there was a rep to Love that he wasnt being resigned to preserve the asset for the Cavs, just to be traded in time. Although very long term no trade promises are pretty worthless.
RE: RE: Jeremy Lin  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/25/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13339645 giantsfan44ab said:
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Dantoni has alluded to how Harden has been more willing to adapt to his PnR ideals unlike Melo and Kobe who both reverted back to ISO ball.

If Melo went to Houston now, first of all he would fullly realize he'd be playing without the ball in his hands (just like he would with his buddies CP3 and lebron) and second of all, he'd be a straight up upgrade over Anderson. I don't think Melo would have too many qualms if Harden was feeding him open corner 3s on a consistent basis.


If MDA said this and didn't acknowledge that these players are totally different with completely different skill sets, then he's an idiot. Harden has the ball in his hands all of the time (career high usage)... why would he object to the offense at all?
RE: RE: RE: Jeremy Lin  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13339755 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Dantoni has alluded to how Harden has been more willing to adapt to his PnR ideals unlike Melo and Kobe who both reverted back to ISO ball.

If Melo went to Houston now, first of all he would fullly realize he'd be playing without the ball in his hands (just like he would with his buddies CP3 and lebron) and second of all, he'd be a straight up upgrade over Anderson. I don't think Melo would have too many qualms if Harden was feeding him open corner 3s on a consistent basis.



If MDA said this and didn't acknowledge that these players are totally different with completely different skill sets, then he's an idiot. Harden has the ball in his hands all of the time (career high usage)... why would he object to the offense at all?


I'm not sure the exact quote, Howard Beck sort of discussed it in the latest Zach Lowe podcast.

He had players for his system and then the Knicks traded all those players for Melo.

I don't think he'd object to having Melo again considering nothing can be done to displace Harden's ball dominance.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jeremy Lin  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/25/2017 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13339762 giantsfan44ab said:
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I'm not sure the exact quote, Howard Beck sort of discussed it in the latest Zach Lowe podcast.

He had players for his system and then the Knicks traded all those players for Melo.

I don't think he'd object to having Melo again considering nothing can be done to displace Harden's ball dominance.


Billups was a horrendous fit for the offense... no doubt about that.
why do we want love?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/25/2017 6:53 pm : link
It just creates another block at KP's position.
RE: why do we want love?  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13339799 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It just creates another block at KP's position.


To trade for assets.
Nets reportedly want  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 7:06 pm : link
2 1st rounders for Brook Lopez.

And I want Scarlett Johanssen as my wife now that she's single.
RE: why do we want love?  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 7:06 pm : link
In comment 13339799 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It just creates another block at KP's position.


kp is not a 4
Jalen and Chauncey  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 7:11 pm : link
are on board with a Melo for Love swap, thinking it helps Cleveland match up with Golden State. Just discussing it on NBA Countdown.
RE: Jalen and Chauncey  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13339819 bceagle05 said:
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are on board with a Melo for Love swap, thinking it helps Cleveland match up with Golden State. Just discussing it on NBA Countdown.


I dont think it changes much. Melo isn't the type of player they need. They need someone who can take advantage of their size flaws (e.g. Demarcus Cousins, Davis, etc.) but I'm not quite sure how they get that player.
RE: Nets reportedly want  
Deej : 1/25/2017 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13339813 giantsfan44ab said:
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2 1st rounders for Brook Lopez.

And I want Scarlett Johanssen as my wife now that she's single.


Lopez is easily worth 2 #1s from a number of teams. Mozgov once garnered 2 #1s.
RE: RE: Nets reportedly want  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13339834 Deej said:
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2 1st rounders for Brook Lopez.

And I want Scarlett Johanssen as my wife now that she's single.



Lopez is easily worth 2 #1s from a number of teams. Mozgov once garnered 2 #1s.


And what teams are those?

Mozgov shouldn't be a benchmark for any NBA transaction. It's a full step short of using "Bargnani garnered a first rounder". Maybe two steps. But nonetheless, my point stands.

Lopez will be turning 30 towards the end of next season. That automatically rules out any team that will be muddling in the lottery and bottom tier playoff teams that might end up in the lottery.

What big time playoff team needs a center? Brook would no doubt be a great fit under Pop but the Spurs aren't in the business of trading picks.

The Warriors? Don't see how the salary would work out given that they will need to max Steph.
Charlotte might make sense  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 7:38 pm : link
they trade Zeller, lamb and maybe a pick.
The cavs don't need offense  
hitdog42 : 1/25/2017 7:38 pm : link
The cavs have been bad at defense
Which also translates to offense
Not even sure how much of an upgrade Brook  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 7:40 pm : link
is over Zeller. Zeller is a better rebounder and defender. He's also 5 years younger.
Yes, but the Cavs do what Lebron tells them to do.  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 7:48 pm : link
Kevin Love better hope the Cavs go on a five-game tear to quiet this shit down.
RE: RE: RE: Nets reportedly want  
Deej : 1/25/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13339840 giantsfan44ab said:
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2 1st rounders for Brook Lopez.

And I want Scarlett Johanssen as my wife now that she's single.



Lopez is easily worth 2 #1s from a number of teams. Mozgov once garnered 2 #1s.



And what teams are those?

Mozgov shouldn't be a benchmark for any NBA transaction. It's a full step short of using "Bargnani garnered a first rounder". Maybe two steps. But nonetheless, my point stands.

Lopez will be turning 30 towards the end of next season. That automatically rules out any team that will be muddling in the lottery and bottom tier playoff teams that might end up in the lottery.

What big time playoff team needs a center? Brook would no doubt be a great fit under Pop but the Spurs aren't in the business of trading picks.

The Warriors? Don't see how the salary would work out given that they will need to max Steph.


Well I wasnt speaking to fit, but non-lottery picks and especially picks in the 20s arent super valuable. We got one for THJR. I wouldnt take a pick at the end of the round for KOQ. The notion of talking about being worth 2 #1s as if #1s have a constant value doesnt make any sense.
26 points and 6 3s in the first half  
hitdog42 : 1/25/2017 8:37 pm : link
If only he were an average player
KP still biting on every fake.  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 8:48 pm : link
To the bench he goes.
Melo on fire.  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 8:49 pm : link
Sending up a flare to King James.
Refs are horrible  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 8:58 pm : link
Melo gets smacked in the head no call

Bought puts a forearm into holidays chest no call

Rose taps Barnes hand it is foul
oquinn blows  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 9:17 pm : link
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Saw KP  
Jon in NYC : 1/25/2017 9:44 pm : link
only played 5 minutes in the first half. Did he get hurt, or just benched?
RE: Saw KP  
dep026 : 1/25/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13339937 Jon in NYC said:
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only played 5 minutes in the first half. Did he get hurt, or just benched?


3 fouls in 5 minutes.
Two quick fouls for KP.  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 9:49 pm : link
He's lost out there right now.
RE: RE: Saw KP  
Jon in NYC : 1/25/2017 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13339940 dep026 said:
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only played 5 minutes in the first half. Did he get hurt, or just benched?



3 fouls in 5 minutes.


Jeez.
Layup drills for Dallas.  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 10:02 pm : link
Rose just got faked out of his shorts by Curry. KP doesn't want that fourth foul.
cleveland lost to the kings..  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:02 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Saw KP  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13339942 Jon in NYC said:
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only played 5 minutes in the first half. Did he get hurt, or just benched?



3 fouls in 5 minutes.



Jeez.


2 of them just stupid fouls
Breen going in on Rose  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 10:04 pm : link
for his defensive effort after he chastised Hornacek for not emphasizing it enough. Love it.
i loke holiday  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:14 pm : link
but he takes some of the dumbest shots i have ever seen
someone want to explain to me why baker is on the court?  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:32 pm : link
courtney lee who is hot you leave on the bench?

Yeah that Baker cameo was...curious.  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 10:36 pm : link
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RE: Yeah that Baker cameo was...curious.  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13339989 bceagle05 said:
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hornacek is awful..

he cant get a steady rotation and almost 50 games into the season?

i am sorry but  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:42 pm : link
kp is awful, you are guarding a guy who can not fucking shoot, why are you running at him?
So Melo and KP both pass up 3's  
B in ALB : 1/25/2017 10:45 pm : link
To give Holliday a shot. Oh, ok.
RE: i am sorry but  
Keith : 1/25/2017 10:45 pm : link
In comment 13339996 nygiants16 said:
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kp is awful, you are guarding a guy who can not fucking shoot, why are you running at him?


It's coaching and you can tell there isn't a lot of emphasis on things like that.
Deej  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 10:45 pm : link
But that brings back to my original point? What top team needs a center so much that they would even trade for Lopez in the first place?

And what mediocre team is willing to sacrifice 2 picks to secure Lopez asto guarantee they won't be in the lottery 3 years from now (which presumably would be when the distant 1st rounder the nets are seeking would be)?

Lopez is a good player but there's no team that's a Brook Lopez away from anything.
What the fuck  
B in ALB : 1/25/2017 10:46 pm : link
Is Melo doing? Stupid.
RE: So Melo and KP both pass up 3's  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13340000 B in ALB said:
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To give Holliday a shot. Oh, ok.


holiday never passes up a shot
RE: RE: i am sorry but  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13340001 Keith said:
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kp is awful, you are guarding a guy who can not fucking shoot, why are you running at him?



It's coaching and you can tell there isn't a lot of emphasis on things like that.


he plays fucking stupid..

it is basic defense, stop going for every aingle shot fake, stop running at people on the 3 point line when you are slow footed..

atop slacking off of shooters to go for a block when noah is on the court
he has zero awareness  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:49 pm : link
also stop forcing shots, i dont care if you have a small player on you, you can not post up so stop
Blah game. Blah team. Blah season.  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 10:51 pm : link
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RE: Blah game. Blah team. Blah season.  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:53 pm : link
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from the coach to the 15th guy they are a stupid fucking team
maybe with the cavs losing  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:55 pm : link
lebron can force them to make a deal, knicks then flip love to celtics for draft licks..
RE: maybe with the cavs losing  
giantsfan44ab : 1/25/2017 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13340017 nygiants16 said:
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lebron can force them to make a deal, knicks then flip love to celtics for draft licks..


Or maybe the sixers now.
RE: RE: maybe with the cavs losing  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13340019 giantsfan44ab said:
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lebron can force them to make a deal, knicks then flip love to celtics for draft licks..



Or maybe the sixers now.


never thought i would say this but it is time to tank...

and i dont think hornacek is the man for the job
Yep, just get it done already.  
bceagle05 : 1/25/2017 11:01 pm : link
When is enough enough for all parties involved?
RE: Yep, just get it done already.  
nygiants16 : 1/25/2017 11:04 pm : link
In comment 13340028 bceagle05 said:
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When is enough enough for all parties involved?


i respect melo for wanting to win here and i will root for him to get that championship if he agrees to thay trade but he is not winning here...it is just not going to work..

knicks need to go on a full rebuild, start selling off parts and play some of the young guys..

you can keep a guy like lee as a veteran presence if you want but you have to get one of these top pgs in the draft
I hope that whoever is willing to trade for Melo isn't actually  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/25/2017 11:26 pm : link
watching any of his games. The dude had 30 and 8, yet the last 7 minutes of the game was a lethal combination of lazy, stupid, and selfish. Maybe he was just tired, but damn.

Baker played 4 extremely unhelpful minutes.

I just want to get rid of everyone on the team who's older than 24 (outside of Kuz).
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