But being an international player that helped the game grow and spread publicity and/or had success internationally or at the collegiate level seems to be almost Or as important as actual impact as a player in the NBA.
I don't think all star selections should be weighted that heavily since it's a popularity contest. Like how Kobe was garbage in his last season on a god awful team and got voted in and Tim Duncan was still a pretty good player on an amazing team and got left off. That's one example but there are lingering effects of legacy on the all star game (like how wade, rose and melo will be on the all star team this year).
But going back to my original point, a guy like STAT who at his peak was legitimately in a few MVP races and could've been considered a top 5 player on the Suns for a few years.
Was Dikembe ever a top 5 player in the league? Was he even ever a top 10 player?
I'm just saying if HoF in basketball was given the same criteria for HoF in other sports, you'd have guys like Mutumbo who'd more likely than not get left off and have guys like STAT who will never get serious consideration selected in.
The whole rings aspect of basketball compared to a sport like football is pretty ironic (outside the QB position of course). Ranking the top guys in basketball is all about the quantity of rings a guy has when in fact only 3-4 different teams get a ring in any given decade. Outside of the Jordans, Birds, Lebrons, Kobes, Duncans, etc. getting a ring is really a byproduct of who oh were drafted by, what teams had cap space when you became a FA, or how much (or little) money you took when you became a FA.
All that's to say a guy like Manu will be a no brainer selection (maybe even ignoring international play altogether) but at his peak was he really a better player than a guy like Demar Derozan (just someone off the top of my head, plenty of guys to plug in his place)?
I'd admittedly bias because I am big fan of his, but you cannot easily plug in a player to replace Manu. In my eyes he is truly a great player that brings so much to helping you win. Clutch, good defender, great passer, great shooter...all around a very unique and great player.
I also think Tony Parker is being undersold a little. He may not have been a CP3 level defender, but he was still always solid. Also was in the MVP discussion a few times and was definitely the best point guard in the game at times. The stats just dont reflect it for these guys because they spread the ball around so much.
but if you replace John Wall with Parker, does the level of team success drop dramatically? No way you can make HoF criteria based off "what ifs", but how many similarly-skilled players will get scoffed at if you bring them up in HoF discussions?
It's a credit to Pop, not arguing that. But playing with one of the 10 best players of all time and greatest coach of all time certainly makes things easier. I don't think Wall would be some scrub in SA. But Wall will be looked down upon when it comes down to these things simply because he was taken by a franchise that screws things up. Wall hasn't played with a player who was considered top 30 at any given time in the NBA (maybe Beal this year?) but Parker and Manu played with an arguably top 10 ever.
My overall point is there are players who were top 5-10 overall players in the league that won't get any consideration due to being on inept teams, but Parker and Ginobili are locks and were arguably never top 10 players in the NBA ever.
otherwise, your criteria would be pretty reasonable.
Yeah and I acknowledged that. But I think both players would've got voted in simply based on NBA accolades alone. My point was that I think rings are unfairly used to judge secondary and tertiary "stars".
for every sport. People take this stuff way too seriously. I always get a kick out of clowns like Peter King going into detail about how emotional and passionate people get in the "room" where all of the idiot NFL writers get together. It's a joke. It should be treated like a museum instead of this exalted honor that is bestowed upon these guys by an electorate that is often clueless. Not only that, but getting into the HOF can have a positive financial impact for a lot of these guys later in life. And it's good for the fans of the player who get to celebrate his achievements.
for every sport. People take this stuff way too seriously. I always get a kick out of clowns like Peter King going into detail about how emotional and passionate people get in the "room" where all of the idiot NFL writers get together. It's a joke. It should be treated like a museum instead of this exalted honor that is bestowed upon these guys by an electorate that is often clueless. Not only that, but getting into the HOF can have a positive financial impact for a lot of these guys later in life. And it's good for the fans of the player who get to celebrate his achievements.
Yeah I'm for this too. My point was not to knock guys like Parker and Manu out but more to say if they are going to get in, why not push in guys like STAT, who were dominant but didn't have team/international/college success as well.
It sure looked like there may have been a goaltend on one of Rose's unsuccessful trips to the hoop. Of course TNT didn't feel the need to show a replay. Is it possible they're ignoring stuff like this down the stretch in games on purpose?
It sure looked like there may have been a goaltend on one of Rose's unsuccessful trips to the hoop. Of course TNT didn't feel the need to show a replay. Is it possible they're ignoring stuff like this down the stretch in games on purpose?
They showed it on the replay and said the refs missed it. Happened a few minutes after the play when they came back from a commercial.
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Henangomez is also on pace to become just third qualified rookie in the last 30 years to average at least 15 points & 13 rebs per-36 minutes The other two rookies to average 15 points and 12 rebounds per-36 minutes were Kevin Love and Shaq
He made Al Jefferson look old and slow last night. His footwork in the post is really good. He's a bit of a throwback down there and is also a really good roll man in the PnR. Offensively, all he needs to show is that 18 footer and he could be a beast.
RE: Willy is the second best post player on the Knicks behind Melo
He made Al Jefferson look old and slow last night. His footwork in the post is really good. He's a bit of a throwback down there and is also a really good roll man in the PnR. Offensively, all he needs to show is that 18 footer and he could be a beast.
Father time made Al Jefferson look old and slow.
Willy is VERY good at moving to the basket. Not just PnR -- he finds good lines to take that set him up for passes and easy buckets. If it keeps up in the coming years he will cause a lot of havoc to opposing defensive schemes. All well and good to have a plan until a 6'11 250 pounder is slicing you up in the paint. If he gets better defensively (and there are reasons to think he can, though he'll never be great), he's a 33 mpg center in this league. And if not, there is still a role for a guy who can score and rebound like that.
that LeBron had sums him up perfectly. Jumped from Cleveland to Miami to win. Jumped back to Cleveland to win. He's a diva. He wants all the perks and none of the responsibilities.
He's right. Put their big 3 aside. Thompson is a 7-9-1 guy. Some of the advanced stats like him, but really, he's fee as hell to be efficient because he's an afterthought. JR and Shump were cast off of a terrible Knicks team (and JR is hurt). Korver got old, and is not the player he was in 2013-14 and 2014-15 when he led the NBA in true shooting. Jefferson should not be in any rotation. Frye is a decent piece but is not a real big.
Cavs are shockingly bad at picking up talent. They are not good at depth drafting, and they are too quick to trade away anyone young.
He's right. Put their big 3 aside. Thompson is a 7-9-1 guy. Some of the advanced stats like him, but really, he's fee as hell to be efficient because he's an afterthought. JR and Shump were cast off of a terrible Knicks team (and JR is hurt). Korver got old, and is not the player he was in 2013-14 and 2014-15 when he led the NBA in true shooting. Jefferson should not be in any rotation. Frye is a decent piece but is not a real big.
Cavs are shockingly bad at picking up talent. They are not good at depth drafting, and they are too quick to trade away anyone young.
Well then he can look in the mirror because he's the GM. He's the one who boasted after they won last year that "they said J.R. was a throw-in". This is the team HE wanted. Now you're gonna complain?
That being said... even if he's right, you don't say that in a rant to the media, and then to say they're top heavy? What does that say to the rest of the team? Great leadership skills right there.
as for J.R., he's hurt. His absence actually hurts them a good amount because he can take some of the primary scoring responsibility award. Korver and Frye are nice complementary shooters, but you cant go 5 minutes with them being top options.
Im not sure how much he really is their GM. I think he dictated the Wiggins trade. But is he making these little draft pick moves? I dont think so. Is he deciding who the picks are? No. I think he leans on ownership to resign guys, but suspect he's a lot less involved in trades.
He's right. Put their big 3 aside. Thompson is a 7-9-1 guy. Some of the advanced stats like him, but really, he's fee as hell to be efficient because he's an afterthought. JR and Shump were cast off of a terrible Knicks team (and JR is hurt). Korver got old, and is not the player he was in 2013-14 and 2014-15 when he led the NBA in true shooting. Jefferson should not be in any rotation. Frye is a decent piece but is not a real big.
Cavs are shockingly bad at picking up talent. They are not good at depth drafting, and they are too quick to trade away anyone young.
I think TT could be a double double machine on a lesser team. Ultimate role player and invaluable to thr cavs rostr.
they would ideally replace TT with a similar salary player. But no ones touching TT on that contract unless they are getting picks, let alone giving up anyone.
This slump essentially has lasted since early December. He shot 40.2 percent in December; hes shooting 31.3 percent from 3 in January. Porzingis didnt have a single defensive rebound in 33 minutes on Saturday against the Suns, and he took an ill-advised 3-pointer early in the shot clock late in that contest.
For all his unicorn skills, its time to back off on proclaiming Porzingis a definite future superstar. Nothing is guaranteed even if his popularity still is growing. The NBA announced Tuesday, citing data from the NBA Store, he is seventh in jersey sales.
Porzingis, with his slight build, hit a rookie wall last season and is in a sophomore swoon. His shooting percentage has dropped to 44.9 percent. Carmelo Anthony was right during training camp that expectations were too high on a 21-year-old European in his second season still learning the NBA game when to pass, how to rebound, how to post up. Link - ( New Window )
Thompson might be a 10-10-1 guy on another team, but I dont think he'd be all that effective. I just dont think that much of his game. A starter, but a low end one on a very good team.
As for KP, his body needs a lot of development. Hopefully he gets there, but there is a chance it takes a while, or he doesnt/cant handle a lot more weight. I still think he doesnt sniff his peak until he's on his next contract.
Thompson might be a 10-10-1 guy on another team, but I dont think he'd be all that effective. I just dont think that much of his game. A starter, but a low end one on a very good team.
As for KP, his body needs a lot of development. Hopefully he gets there, but there is a chance it takes a while, or he doesnt/cant handle a lot more weight. I still think he doesnt sniff his peak until he's on his next contract.
TT wouldn't be a bad next to KP. But his role on the Cavs is as good as it can get for him. His contract in itself isn't hurting the Cavs and if the Cavs had any intriguing assets his contract would be beneficial because they won't be able to add any non-minimum players. They need to trade love if they're looking for a shakeup.
As for what TT would look like on a lesser team I think you end up with Taj Gibson sans a jump shot.
There are some combos of Melo-Love trades that work. Love and Jefferson for Melo and Jennings. Love and Shump for Melo, Jennings, and Lance/KOQ. Jennings, KOQ, Holiday, Kuz are all inexpensive pieces that Cleveland could use right now, and push comes to shove I'd part with any of them to swap Melo for Love (solely to move Love along in a trade).
There are some combos of Melo-Love trades that work. Love and Jefferson for Melo and Jennings. Love and Shump for Melo, Jennings, and Lance/KOQ. Jennings, KOQ, Holiday, Kuz are all inexpensive pieces that Cleveland could use right now, and push comes to shove I'd part with any of them to swap Melo for Love (solely to move Love along in a trade).
Yep, that last part is the key - Love is much easier to trade than Melo. Ideally you'd just do a three-teamer, but if that's too complicated right now just pull the trigger on this one.
There are some combos of Melo-Love trades that work. Love and Jefferson for Melo and Jennings. Love and Shump for Melo, Jennings, and Lance/KOQ. Jennings, KOQ, Holiday, Kuz are all inexpensive pieces that Cleveland could use right now, and push comes to shove I'd part with any of them to swap Melo for Love (solely to move Love along in a trade).
Love for Melo is a lateral move in context for how the Cavs would play against GS.
I think melo can help a bunch of playoff teams get better but the Cavs are not one. He wouldn't last guarding Draymond or have Draymond guard him.
And Orlando called you up with Gordon, Ibaka, hezonja and pick(s) for Wiggins and Dieng would you do it?
Lost in all the hype/letdown of Aaron Gordon is that he is a stud defensive player first, second and third. Moving from PF to SF for sure caused him to struggle but at least Towns can space the floor unlike Biyombo. I think Towns and lavine by themselves can carry the offensive load in 1-2 years and Towns, Dunn, Gordon and Ibaka would be one hell of a defensive/rebounding corps.
Melo for Love is basically an even swap for this season (I think Melo is better but if you think Love is better, fine). We add pieces to offset the fact that Melo's future value is lower than Love's. Cleveland does it because they need depth now.
Love will not return 2 or 3 starters if one of them is as good as Melo. Cleveland is also boxed in by what contracts they have to ship back -- you cant give $40 million in contracts for Love without taking back something from the Cavs you probably dont want (Shump). And if you're giving a Melo type player and someone else who fits under the cap but is a legit starter, that second player is probably really valuable.
And Orlando called you up with Gordon, Ibaka, hezonja and pick(s) for Wiggins and Dieng would you do it?
Lost in all the hype/letdown of Aaron Gordon is that he is a stud defensive player first, second and third. Moving from PF to SF for sure caused him to struggle but at least Towns can space the floor unlike Biyombo. I think Towns and lavine by themselves can carry the offensive load in 1-2 years and Towns, Dunn, Gordon and Ibaka would be one hell of a defensive/rebounding corps.
I would not. I would bet on the upside of Wiggins. I think there is a good chance he puts it together and is a guy who can be at least a 3rd best player on a contending team. Less confidence in the ORL guys. I might think about it harder if Ibaka had term.
Wiggins will be a really good player, there's just something about him that screams low BBIQ to me. Plays with blinders on, is a bad shot taker/maker. I like his defensive upside still though.
And they are not going to do much to change the current roster as they have already provided him with a championship caliber roster. And they just added an elite shooter. Maybe he and his coach should play some fcking defense- since they are rated like middle of the pack there. The front office will not make any radical moves as they believe the team now is better then last year- they are just lazy and underperforming. And even if they wanted to get another pg - lebron just raised the asking price by publicly sounding desperate.
They just gave up 70 points in the first half to the no Davis pelicans. What a fcking baby bitch.
And they are not going to do much to change the current roster as they have already provided him with a championship caliber roster. And they just added an elite shooter. Maybe he and his coach should play some fcking defense- since they are rated like middle of the pack there. The front office will not make any radical moves as they believe the team now is better then last year- they are just lazy and underperforming. And even if they wanted to get another pg - lebron just raised the asking price by publicly sounding desperate.
They just gave up 70 points in the first half to the no Davis pelicans. What a fcking baby bitch.
If you didnt censor yourself there I would've had to report you to the fcking mods.
and they somehow ended up with Love for Melo...what do you do with Love? Keep him? Flip him for picks and players? If you're moving him, which teams would work? He was always linked with Boston but having Horford already there means it's no longer a great fit.
and they somehow ended up with Love for Melo...what do you do with Love? Keep him? Flip him for picks and players? If you're moving him, which teams would work? He was always linked with Boston but having Horford already there means it's no longer a great fit.
You move Horford to the 5 and adding love would help the rebounding issue. But it would also exacerbate their defensive issues.
I wouldn't worry about finding suitors for Love. He's always been tied to the Lakers, maybe you can get Randle/Clarkson for him. Maybe D-lo? That may be a stretch. Not enticing but certainly more than you'd get for Melo.
Denver is another interesting spot. They have assets galore, maybe you can pry some combo of Harris, Murray, Beasley, nurkic and picks. Have been really turned off by Mudiay but if he was a throw in I'd be intrigued.
I think the Raptors would give you the reported Milsap haul. Not super intriguing but Ross, Patterson and picks. Since Love is 4 years younger he could command more from them. Maybe Joseph and Powell? Not the best return but a few players to place around KP and Willy.
The Sixers? This is a bit out of the ballpark but if they're already going to be a playoff team then why not go all in for Love. He'd give them about 4 prime years and maybe a few more useful ones after that. Some combo of Okafor, Noel, saric, Stauskas and Holmes would be very enticing (obviously they wouldn't give more than 2-3 of those guys but I'd take say saric and noel). Maybe a pipe dream, they can certainly just let things grow organically and still be well off. Not suggesting saric is going to be some Love-caliber type player but if he's even a Gallo-type then they're better off keeping him as he's only 21 or 22.
Was just listening to jalen and jacoby(don't ask why)
and jalen believes lebron was telling the FO to get melo. Says he thinks Cleveland would make that trade and might have to add pieces. Also believes the clippers want melo too. Assuming what he said has some reality to it....Blake or love? I'm not sure I'd like to keep either, because the return could be too good. Obviously the next step is to make everyone available via trade. I think we have multiple assets that can help other teams.
RE: Was just listening to jalen and jacoby(don't ask why)
and jalen believes lebron was telling the FO to get melo. Says he thinks Cleveland would make that trade and might have to add pieces. Also believes the clippers want melo too. Assuming what he said has some reality to it....Blake or love? I'm not sure I'd like to keep either, because the return could be too good. Obviously the next step is to make everyone available via trade. I think we have multiple assets that can help other teams.
The obvious solution for either would be a 3 way trade with Boston.
without an indication he'd resign (or in a 3 way). I guess with the new CBA it's a lot more likely he resigns.
Blake is a perfect guy to pair with KP, especially as KP gets strong enough to defender the 5. On the other hand, Blake seems like he's always dinged up, and the last ~20 years have been littered with hyper athletic 4s whose games fall apart once the athleticism declines as injuries or age set in. That player type doesnt necessarily age well.
I don't think all star selections should be weighted that heavily since it's a popularity contest. Like how Kobe was garbage in his last season on a god awful team and got voted in and Tim Duncan was still a pretty good player on an amazing team and got left off. That's one example but there are lingering effects of legacy on the all star game (like how wade, rose and melo will be on the all star team this year).
But going back to my original point, a guy like STAT who at his peak was legitimately in a few MVP races and could've been considered a top 5 player on the Suns for a few years.
Was Dikembe ever a top 5 player in the league? Was he even ever a top 10 player?
I'm just saying if HoF in basketball was given the same criteria for HoF in other sports, you'd have guys like Mutumbo who'd more likely than not get left off and have guys like STAT who will never get serious consideration selected in.
The whole rings aspect of basketball compared to a sport like football is pretty ironic (outside the QB position of course). Ranking the top guys in basketball is all about the quantity of rings a guy has when in fact only 3-4 different teams get a ring in any given decade. Outside of the Jordans, Birds, Lebrons, Kobes, Duncans, etc. getting a ring is really a byproduct of who oh were drafted by, what teams had cap space when you became a FA, or how much (or little) money you took when you became a FA.
All that's to say a guy like Manu will be a no brainer selection (maybe even ignoring international play altogether) but at his peak was he really a better player than a guy like Demar Derozan (just someone off the top of my head, plenty of guys to plug in his place)?
I'd admittedly bias because I am big fan of his, but you cannot easily plug in a player to replace Manu. In my eyes he is truly a great player that brings so much to helping you win. Clutch, good defender, great passer, great shooter...all around a very unique and great player.
I also think Tony Parker is being undersold a little. He may not have been a CP3 level defender, but he was still always solid. Also was in the MVP discussion a few times and was definitely the best point guard in the game at times. The stats just dont reflect it for these guys because they spread the ball around so much.
2 locks for the Hall of Fame.
It's a credit to Pop, not arguing that. But playing with one of the 10 best players of all time and greatest coach of all time certainly makes things easier. I don't think Wall would be some scrub in SA. But Wall will be looked down upon when it comes down to these things simply because he was taken by a franchise that screws things up. Wall hasn't played with a player who was considered top 30 at any given time in the NBA (maybe Beal this year?) but Parker and Manu played with an arguably top 10 ever.
My overall point is there are players who were top 5-10 overall players in the league that won't get any consideration due to being on inept teams, but Parker and Ginobili are locks and were arguably never top 10 players in the NBA ever.
Was this player ever considered a top 10 player in the league? If so, how many times?
Was this player ever considered a top 5 player in the league? If so, how many times?
Was this player ever considered in the MVP race? If so how many times?
And then judge accordingly to their peers.
Yeah and I acknowledged that. But I think both players would've got voted in simply based on NBA accolades alone. My point was that I think rings are unfairly used to judge secondary and tertiary "stars".
Yeah I'm for this too. My point was not to knock guys like Parker and Manu out but more to say if they are going to get in, why not push in guys like STAT, who were dominant but didn't have team/international/college success as well.
The fact that self-important baseball writers have to keep some upstanding tradition of leaving first time players out of the HoF pisses me off.
Let Arod and Papi and Pete Rose and Bonds all in as a "fuck you" .
They showed it on the replay and said the refs missed it. Happened a few minutes after the play when they came back from a commercial.
Henangomez is also on pace to become just third qualified rookie in the last 30 years to average at least 15 points & 13 rebs per-36 minutes The other two rookies to average 15 points and 12 rebounds per-36 minutes were Kevin Love and Shaq
Defensively if he's closer to Pau than Enes Kanter then he's gonna be one hell of a player.
Father time made Al Jefferson look old and slow.
Willy is VERY good at moving to the basket. Not just PnR -- he finds good lines to take that set him up for passes and easy buckets. If it keeps up in the coming years he will cause a lot of havoc to opposing defensive schemes. All well and good to have a plan until a 6'11 250 pounder is slicing you up in the paint. If he gets better defensively (and there are reasons to think he can, though he'll never be great), he's a 33 mpg center in this league. And if not, there is still a role for a guy who can score and rebound like that.
Cavs are shockingly bad at picking up talent. They are not good at depth drafting, and they are too quick to trade away anyone young.
Cavs are shockingly bad at picking up talent. They are not good at depth drafting, and they are too quick to trade away anyone young.
Well then he can look in the mirror because he's the GM. He's the one who boasted after they won last year that "they said J.R. was a throw-in". This is the team HE wanted. Now you're gonna complain?
That being said... even if he's right, you don't say that in a rant to the media, and then to say they're top heavy? What does that say to the rest of the team? Great leadership skills right there.
Im not sure how much he really is their GM. I think he dictated the Wiggins trade. But is he making these little draft pick moves? I dont think so. Is he deciding who the picks are? No. I think he leans on ownership to resign guys, but suspect he's a lot less involved in trades.
Cavs are shockingly bad at picking up talent. They are not good at depth drafting, and they are too quick to trade away anyone young.
I think TT could be a double double machine on a lesser team. Ultimate role player and invaluable to thr cavs rostr.
How far ahead can you trade first round picks? Ideally I'd want a 2022 or even 2024 first rounder.
Boy would that be a good laugh when people look at why the Knicks are picking in the top 10 for a trade 7 years ago.
For all his unicorn skills, its time to back off on proclaiming Porzingis a definite future superstar. Nothing is guaranteed even if his popularity still is growing. The NBA announced Tuesday, citing data from the NBA Store, he is seventh in jersey sales.
Porzingis, with his slight build, hit a rookie wall last season and is in a sophomore swoon. His shooting percentage has dropped to 44.9 percent. Carmelo Anthony was right during training camp that expectations were too high on a 21-year-old European in his second season still learning the NBA game when to pass, how to rebound, how to post up.
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How far ahead can you trade first round picks? Ideally I'd want a 2022 or even 2024 first rounder.
Boy would that be a good laugh when people look at why the Knicks are picking in the top 10 for a trade 7 years ago.
I don't know the official rule but there are owed picks up through 2023 at this point.
As for KP, his body needs a lot of development. Hopefully he gets there, but there is a chance it takes a while, or he doesnt/cant handle a lot more weight. I still think he doesnt sniff his peak until he's on his next contract.
As for KP, his body needs a lot of development. Hopefully he gets there, but there is a chance it takes a while, or he doesnt/cant handle a lot more weight. I still think he doesnt sniff his peak until he's on his next contract.
TT wouldn't be a bad next to KP. But his role on the Cavs is as good as it can get for him. His contract in itself isn't hurting the Cavs and if the Cavs had any intriguing assets his contract would be beneficial because they won't be able to add any non-minimum players. They need to trade love if they're looking for a shakeup.
As for what TT would look like on a lesser team I think you end up with Taj Gibson sans a jump shot.
Yep, that last part is the key - Love is much easier to trade than Melo. Ideally you'd just do a three-teamer, but if that's too complicated right now just pull the trigger on this one.
Love for Melo is a lateral move in context for how the Cavs would play against GS.
I think melo can help a bunch of playoff teams get better but the Cavs are not one. He wouldn't last guarding Draymond or have Draymond guard him.
For as many teams
Lost in all the hype/letdown of Aaron Gordon is that he is a stud defensive player first, second and third. Moving from PF to SF for sure caused him to struggle but at least Towns can space the floor unlike Biyombo. I think Towns and lavine by themselves can carry the offensive load in 1-2 years and Towns, Dunn, Gordon and Ibaka would be one hell of a defensive/rebounding corps.
Love will not return 2 or 3 starters if one of them is as good as Melo. Cleveland is also boxed in by what contracts they have to ship back -- you cant give $40 million in contracts for Love without taking back something from the Cavs you probably dont want (Shump). And if you're giving a Melo type player and someone else who fits under the cap but is a legit starter, that second player is probably really valuable.
Lost in all the hype/letdown of Aaron Gordon is that he is a stud defensive player first, second and third. Moving from PF to SF for sure caused him to struggle but at least Towns can space the floor unlike Biyombo. I think Towns and lavine by themselves can carry the offensive load in 1-2 years and Towns, Dunn, Gordon and Ibaka would be one hell of a defensive/rebounding corps.
I would not. I would bet on the upside of Wiggins. I think there is a good chance he puts it together and is a guy who can be at least a 3rd best player on a contending team. Less confidence in the ORL guys. I might think about it harder if Ibaka had term.
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for,Cedi Osman, Liggins and the Cavs 2020 1st, you are welcome Lebron.
How far ahead can you trade first round picks? Ideally I'd want a 2022 or even 2024 first rounder.
Boy would that be a good laugh when people look at why the Knicks are picking in the top 10 for a trade 7 years ago.
I don't know the official rule but there are owed picks up through 2023 at this point.
I believe the official rule is you can trade picks up to 7 years out
They just gave up 70 points in the first half to the no Davis pelicans. What a fcking baby bitch.
They just gave up 70 points in the first half to the no Davis pelicans. What a fcking baby bitch.
If you didnt censor yourself there I would've had to report you to the fcking mods.
You move Horford to the 5 and adding love would help the rebounding issue. But it would also exacerbate their defensive issues.
I wouldn't worry about finding suitors for Love. He's always been tied to the Lakers, maybe you can get Randle/Clarkson for him. Maybe D-lo? That may be a stretch. Not enticing but certainly more than you'd get for Melo.
Denver is another interesting spot. They have assets galore, maybe you can pry some combo of Harris, Murray, Beasley, nurkic and picks. Have been really turned off by Mudiay but if he was a throw in I'd be intrigued.
I think the Raptors would give you the reported Milsap haul. Not super intriguing but Ross, Patterson and picks. Since Love is 4 years younger he could command more from them. Maybe Joseph and Powell? Not the best return but a few players to place around KP and Willy.
The Sixers? This is a bit out of the ballpark but if they're already going to be a playoff team then why not go all in for Love. He'd give them about 4 prime years and maybe a few more useful ones after that. Some combo of Okafor, Noel, saric, Stauskas and Holmes would be very enticing (obviously they wouldn't give more than 2-3 of those guys but I'd take say saric and noel). Maybe a pipe dream, they can certainly just let things grow organically and still be well off. Not suggesting saric is going to be some Love-caliber type player but if he's even a Gallo-type then they're better off keeping him as he's only 21 or 22.
The obvious solution for either would be a 3 way trade with Boston.
I think they'd prefer Jennings and his passing ability, which is an easy throw in with Melo.
But which have pieces that would interest the Knicks.
Blake is a perfect guy to pair with KP, especially as KP gets strong enough to defender the 5. On the other hand, Blake seems like he's always dinged up, and the last ~20 years have been littered with hyper athletic 4s whose games fall apart once the athleticism declines as injuries or age set in. That player type doesnt necessarily age well.