OJ Howard...

But would depend on who else is on the board at the time.

We need Oline first.

to that pick. If he's BPA, and god knows we need a good TE...I will always love the Shockey pick and still think it was well worth it, though a lot of people here would differ.

#TeamOJ

it would seem unlikely he makes it to us anyway.

him. He would help seal edges and ad a threat down the seam.

Our edge blocking has been dreadful since LD cannot block, and Tye is average.

Martellus Bennett was the last TE that we had that could block.

or Jordan Reed is or Gates was, you run up to the podium..I'm not comparing him to any of those I just mentioned as their styles might be completely different. Just comparing ONLY in terms of effect on an offense

he even makes it to us. The hype is real.

Eric Ebron, who isn't nearly as good, went 8th. Teams want receiving TEs

In comment 13341434 crackerjack465 said:

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he even makes it to us. The hype is real. Eric Ebron, who isn't nearly as good, went 8th. Teams want receiving TEs

Yeah, he may not.

he'll be on the board at 23. Depending on FA goes this could be a great addition to our team. Would help in the run and pass game.

He's a versatile player and a guy who's always working hard out there. I'd be happy to see him in blue.

he screams bust to me. Just looks really stiff, upright and unbalanced to me.

Don't think he makes it out of the top 15 and possibly my top 10. Wouldn't get your hopes up on him. Howard's lack of TDs really scare me. He's this physical freak with great size yet he only has 7 TDs in 46 career games. At least 3 of those TDs were on blown coverages and didn't have a man within 5-10 yards of him.

Luckily there are still guys like Njoku, Gerald Everett, Evan Engram, Jordan Leggett & Jake Butt. If you want a receiving threat at 23 I'd say the more likely options are David Njoku or Corey Davis.

In comment 13341446 chris r said:

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he screams bust to me. Just looks really stiff, upright and unbalanced to me.

I agree. The tight end from Miami is much better prospect IMO. Howard just looks soft and seems to kind of cruise around during games. Not a fan

Wasn't the blocker that Howard is, but Ebron was a more productive receiver than Howard is. More yards and TDS in 12 less games.

In comment 13341459 Big Rick in FL said:

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Wasn't the blocker that Howard is, but Ebron was a more productive receiver than Howard is. More yards and TDS in 12 less games.

North Carolina threw the ball a lot more than Alabama.

I disagree with those who say he'll be a bust. At minimum he should be as good as Greg Olsen.

There's huge potential there.

He's going to be as good as a multiple time All-Pro? That might be going a little far.

Jalen Hurts has only been his QB for 1 of his 4 years in college. I know their QBs haven't been very good, but that's not stopping their other guys from producing. Alabama has had 3 players with more TDs in 2015 & 2016. Idk how the lack of TDs doesn't scare people. 3 of his 7 TDs were on plays where he had literally nobody around him.

Alabama is a defense-first, run heavy team. They just aren't a downfield passing team. Howard has loads of ability but he was never going to put up big numbers in that offense.

I also think CB's going in the 1st will be very high this year, but don't know what the record is for that position.

won't be there at 23 if he has a good combine.

Giants will probably have Njoku rated as a higher prospect anyways.

but Njoku is going to test out as the better athlete at the combine, something Giants have taken into more consideration lately.

others have said, he probably won't be there at #23, although I'd be fine with the pick. Howard's receiving was limited by bad QB play.

he could go top 15

which will put him out of reach. He's already a good blocker and simply did not have the passing attack that could properly use him over 4 years. There are quite a few college offenses where I think he would've been a 1000 yd receiver this year.

Njoku is a good prospect but I think there will be better players at 23 and I don't think he'll be around for our Rd 2 pick. However I think prospects such as Arkansas's Jeremy Sprinkle has had a good Senior Bowl week and could be in play on Day 2 despite the shoplifting incident that got him suspended for his last game. Clemson's Jordan Leggett gets overlooked but he had 86 catches with 15 TD's in his past two seasons and had a strong Championship game against Alabama. There's also Toledo's Michael Roberts who after a solid week at the Shrine Game was 'promoted' to the Senior Bowl. At 6'4" he carries 261 lbs extremely well and will be a red zone terror. He had 16 TDs in his final season alone thanks to his leaping ability from his basketball background and his 11 5/8" hands. That's freakishly enormous. His 40 time will be key however.

please get caught smoking weed.

I kid, I kid. I think.

I'd gladly take him at 23, but you can't blame it all on the QB play when guys like Gehrig Dieter, Richard Mullaney, Deandrew White & Jalston Fowler have better TD numbers.

Just went back and looked at Sy'56 little writeup before the bowl games. He called him an underachiever that seems lazy at times and doesn't have the IT factor.

He could definitely turn out to be a better NFL player than college player, but the stuff that Sy says and the lack of TDs scares me.

They're at the Senior Bowl practices and Kerwin made the comment that while everyone was stumbling all over themselves oooing and wowing over Howard they missed the same show that Everette was putting on right after him. They seemed to feel he was equally impressive...FWIW

of who NYG will likely pick at #23....Howard is on the list.

is more than a receiver. I'd be quite happy to get him at 23, although I too wonder whether he'll be picked earlier.

Sy, who are your other two? Cam Robinson? Davis?

Howard is definitely a better blocker right now. Don't think he's a better receiver though. Long term I think Njoku is the better option. Has a way higher upside IMO. He's got Jordan Reed type athleticism, but he's flashed the ability to be a very good blocker. He needs to work on it just like most college TEs.

the board first. As for Jeremiah, Everett at 23? WTF????????

Will come off the board first. I've read from numerous draft people that NFL teams love him. I hope that's true, because I can't see 2 TEs going top 22. So I'm hoping that'd mean my TE1 is available for the Giants.

I think Jeremiah throws names out there like Everett to get more attention on his mock drafts. It seems every year in his first mock draft he has some wild name going higher than anybody else. After seeing Everett's height/weight/hand size at the Senior Bowl I'd be shocked if the Giants took him at 23. He was only 6'2 227 with 8 1/4 hands. For comparison Will Tye's hands are an inch bigger and Odell's are 2 inches bigger. Now if we don't draft a TE in the 1st round I could definitely see us taking Everett in the 2nd or 3rd.

THey will have to trade up for him. He won't make it to 20.

In comment 13342141 yatqb said:

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is more than a receiver. I'd be quite happy to get him at 23, although I too wonder whether he'll be picked earlier. Sy, who are your other two? Cam Robinson? Davis?

I don't think either will be there at 23.

I'd say as of now the other two would be LB Jarrad Davis and DE Taco Charlton.

Cam probably not either.

I really like Jarrad Davis, but I'm not sure if we'd go for him if we think that Goodson will take over MLB (at least on running downs) next year.

As for Charlton, he sure fits the Giants' specifications for a DE. I wonder whether they'd go away from those to take McKinley over him; doubt it, but McKinley impresses me a lot.

I still feel that if possible I'd trade up for Ramczyk...he'd solve our OL problems all by himself. To me he's a franchise LT, and the rest of the line improves by leaps and bounds once you add one of those.

Huge catch w the game on the line. Don't know a lot about him but I also think Howard is gone by 23. Maybe The UM TE too. Auto correct won't let me spell his name lol

Either way there is need at LB OL TE and maybe CB as well as WR. If Reese can plug a few holes w FA pickups like last year they can go BPA again. Apple is going to be a very good CB for a long time.

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In comment 13342141 yatqb said: Quote: is more than a receiver. I'd be quite happy to get him at 23, although I too wonder whether he'll be picked earlier. Sy, who are your other two? Cam Robinson? Davis? I don't think either will be there at 23. I'd say as of now the other two would be LB Jarrad Davis and DE Taco Charlton.

Kupp and Davis also look like players Giants seem to target

I think they could like Dan Feeney's versatility

if we did the "unthinkable" and took 2 TE's early.

Say O.J. Howard in round 1 and Gerald Everett in 3. Totally changes the O.

Still leaves room for an OL in round 2 or 3. Would be shocking, but so was David Wilson. Never say never - we may just need a complete do-over at the position, with Adams, LaCosse and Tye competing for the #3.

What's up with Anthony Davis?

And is Diesel 10 still an asshole? What do you think about Douglas and Donald taking over both Guard spots? Move Pugh to RT.

Is it finally time to cut Toby? He's the worst RB in Sodor. What's up with Edwards' rehab? He looks like shit. Is Sir Topham Hat really going to run the offense next year?

In comment 13342431 area junc said:

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if we did the "unthinkable" and took 2 TE's early. Say O.J. Howard in round 1 and Gerald Everett in 3. Totally changes the O. Still leaves room for an OL in round 2 or 3. Would be shocking, but so was David Wilson. Never say never - we may just need a complete do-over at the position, with Adams, LaCosse and Tye competing for the #3.

This would be a stupid strategy.

Howard in round 1 would be fine, but you don't turn around and take another TE two rounds later.

Actually, either guy in either of those rounds would be fine. Both? Nope.

Just look at IND. They took Allen and Fleener in the same draft in back to back rounds which wound up leaving Luck behind a trainwreck of an OL. Fleener isn't even there anymore.

If I'm NYG, I would go very OL heavy in this upcoming draft/FA period and also target a TE.. whether it's Howard in the draft (may not even be there) or a FA like Doyle/Cook.

I'd spend a lot of the available resources clustering the OL and try to add about 3 offensive lineman.

Resources are finite so you can't improve everything... but I think I'd add as much to the OL as I could and try to build the strongest unit possible. That one unit alone takes a team like Dallas a very long way. And we're going to need to protect Eli if want him to be under center for another few years.

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if we did the "unthinkable" and took 2 TE's early. Say O.J. Howard in round 1 and Gerald Everett in 3. Totally changes the O.

This is what the Giants did in 1992 when they took Derek Brown in round one and Aaron Pierce in round three. It didn't totally change the O, but Pierce turned out better than Brown, so you can't argue with the double dip.

In fact, if you look at the times the Giants have double dipped in the early rounds, the second guy picked has turned out better than the first guy more often than that. At least going by my memory (which may be beautiful and yet...) Pierce over Brown in 1992, Elliot over Moore in 1988, Morris over Woolfolk in 1982.

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In comment 13342431 area junc said: Quote: if we did the "unthinkable" and took 2 TE's early. Say O.J. Howard in round 1 and Gerald Everett in 3. Totally changes the O. This is what the Giants did in 1992 when they took Derek Brown in round one and Aaron Pierce in round three. It didn't totally change the O, but Pierce turned out better than Brown, so you can't argue with the double dip. In fact, if you look at the times the Giants have double dipped in the early rounds, the second guy picked has turned out better than the first guy more often than that. At least going by my memory (which may be beautiful and yet...) Pierce over Brown in 1992, Elliot over Moore in 1988, Morris over Woolfolk in 1982.

Will Peterson over Will Allen until he got hurt

In comment 13342218 Big Rick in FL said:

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Howard is definitely a better blocker right now. Don't think he's a better receiver though. Long term I think Njoku is the better option. Has a way higher upside IMO. He's got Jordan Reed type athleticism, but he's flashed the ability to be a very good blocker. He needs to work on it just like most college TEs.

Rick, the more I watch of Njoku, the more impressed I am with his willingness as a blocker. He doesn't always get the job done, but he often does, and when he doesn't it's not for lack of effort. But I still like OJ better; besides everything else I love that 6'6" frame. Two inches may not seem like much, but it's useful over the middle.

In comment 13341619 ryanmkeane said:

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but Njoku is going to test out as the better athlete at the combine, something Giants have taken into more consideration lately.

we don't need guys who test great at the combine what we do need is guys who can play football...