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DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 7:26 am
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Anthony's no-trade clause means the Knicks can't send him anywhere they could get real assets for him, and the cities he wants to go to are thin on assets to send back. (Jamal Crawford and Austin Rivers aren't exactly a pretty penny for a multiple-time All-Star.) But there may have emerged a new suitor that could drastically alter the landscape of this MeloDrama 2.0. Those same Chicago Bulls. From the Chicago Sun Times:
Jimmy Butler talked to Carmelo Anthony three days ago.
It was a "catch-up'' call, according to Butler on Wednesday.
What it should have been was a recruiting call, letting Anthony know that he's still welcomed in a Bulls uniform if he goes ahead and waives that no-trade clause to escape New York. Don't, however, rule out Butler making that call soon.
"That is half the battle,'' Butler said, when discussing making a player from another team feel welcomed. "And I could still do that. I think everybody knows what Carmelo can bring to a team. The dude is a helluva player.
"But I think that we have some things that we've got to worry about here first in the next few weeks [leading into the trade deadline], before we go down that road.''
-http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/if-jimmy-butler-is-recruiting-melo-here-are-some-trade-ideas-for-bulls-knicks/?linkId=34283318

-Reggie Miller & #10004; @ReggieMillerTNT
If you're a FA to be, why would you play for an Owner who treats the past greats like this or a President who stabs star player in the back?

-Al Iannazzone & #10004; @Al_Iannazzone
Oakley on ESPN-NY Radio on confrontations: "One guy, try your luck. Eight, 9 guys, I have to brace myself and be ready for the challenge."

-Knicks issued yet another statement knocking Oak. Pathetic franchise.
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100 points in 3 quarters  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:11 pm : link
getting embarrased and laughed at again on your home court..

just keep taking guys out hornacek after they make 1 mistake, makes sense, no wonder no one can get into a rhythm
RE: mason you are forgetting one important thing  
Mason : 2/10/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13357123 nygiants16 said:
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denver resigned wilson because of bird rightz...knicks would of had to relinquish those rights so they got cap space..

they could night just sign melo outright, it is a common misconception that they could just sign melo outright


Didn't Chandler sign after the lockout? Remember the lockout went into effect right after the draft.
RE: rose hurt?  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:11 pm : link
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Or is watching Jennings ineptness something Hornbeck enjoys?


knicks came out flat in the 3rd so now hornacek is just doing hockey shifts every minute
Thank goodness Gallo and Faried didn't play  
Mason : 2/10/2017 9:13 pm : link
my goodness this would even be more ugly.
RE: RE: mason you are forgetting one important thing  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13357135 Mason said:
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denver resigned wilson because of bird rightz...knicks would of had to relinquish those rights so they got cap space..

they could night just sign melo outright, it is a common misconception that they could just sign melo outright



Didn't Chandler sign after the lockout? Remember the lockout went into effect right after the draft.


yeah he went to china, so how would the knicks sign him after they wouldve signed melo?
Brandon Jennings is a terrible player  
dep026 : 2/10/2017 9:14 pm : link
Always has been. If the knicks get a first for him, the trading team needs their heads examined.

The Knicks defense is abominable  
djm : 2/10/2017 9:15 pm : link
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Alll they do is fail and switch and fail  
djm : 2/10/2017 9:20 pm : link
If you pass the ball 3 times against the Knicks its an open look. If the knicks miss a long jumper, and they just loooooove the three ball, it's a fast break winning opportunity for the Knicks opponent. They don't play good on the ball defense and their help D isnt very helpful although KP and oquinn seem willing. Just abominable. I don't understand. How can they run this system and style of play every day... it's embarrassing.
so glad hornacek has been paying attention  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:25 pm : link
and realized that kp can not guard jokic...

can for once the knicks hire a real coach?
Porzingis has no sense of team defense  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:31 pm : link
he really is a terrible terrible defender
What will it take for this team to play defense?  
PhiPsi125 : 2/10/2017 9:33 pm : link
You have to really try to be as bad as they are. So frustrating.
they have to be the dumbest bunch of players i have ever seen  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:35 pm : link
they just do not know how to play defense..

they are fucking stupid, i am sorry they are just stupid and that is kp included..

part of it is hornacek and rambis
welp another great tank loss  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:37 pm : link
phil really needs to start trading players before this team gets lucky and wins a game
RE: Porzingis has no sense of team defense  
PhiPsi125 : 2/10/2017 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13357149 nygiants16 said:
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he really is a terrible terrible defender


They are all bad. This team is just rotten. Surround KP with players that give a shit on defense and I guarantee he improves. Instead he's surrounded by players that don't even try to play defense. It's no surprise that he's playing poor defense. That's Knicks basketball baby!
At this point  
Giantfootball025 : 2/10/2017 9:39 pm : link
rid Melo, and Rose and go full tank mode. Get as many 1st as we can get and lets get a young team in here with money to spend.
RE: RE: Porzingis has no sense of team defense  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13357158 PhiPsi125 said:
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he really is a terrible terrible defender



They are all bad. This team is just rotten. Surround KP with players that give a shit on defense and I guarantee he improves. Instead he's surrounded by players that don't even try to play defense. It's no surprise that he's playing poor defense. That's Knicks basketball baby!


he just makes stupid mistakes, it is simple stuff to, like constantly going for the block on the inside when his man is on the 3 point line...

Noah and Thomas for Chandler/Jurkic/Mudiay  
Mason : 2/10/2017 9:40 pm : link
get it done Phil.
RE: At this point  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13357160 Giantfootball025 said:
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rid Melo, and Rose and go full tank mode. Get as many 1st as we can get and lets get a young team in here with money to spend.


i dont care about the money to spend, just get.me a young team that gives a shit..

they brought in vets who everyone thought wanted to win but that didnt work, time to tank and go young
Record stands at 22-33  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 9:41 pm : link
with games against the Spurs, Thunder and Cavs coming up. We're rolling towards the top five of the draft like a ton of bricks.
RE: Noah and Thomas for Chandler/Jurkic/Mudiay  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:42 pm : link
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get it done Phil.


hahahahahahahah
RE: Record stands at 22-33  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13357167 bceagle05 said:
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with games against the Spurs, Thunder and Cavs coming up. We're rolling towards the top five of the draft like a ton of bricks.


man if they can get fultz ball or smith jr and you got something with kp and willy...

i wish they could get 1 more 1st in this years draft
RE: RE: Noah and Thomas for Chandler/Jurkic/Mudiay  
Mason : 2/10/2017 9:44 pm : link
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get it done Phil.



hahahahahahahah


Can't help to try. Hey, some team was dumb enough to trade a 1st round pick for Bargnani.
Hornacek is destroying the starters in his presser.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 10:03 pm : link
He's slowly losing his mind.
RE: Hornacek is destroying the starters in his presser.  
dep026 : 2/10/2017 10:13 pm : link
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He's slowly losing his mind.



Regardless of what the starters did.... starting KP on jokic was awful. Playing Jennings 40 minutes - didnt work.

The fact rambis still has a job shows inept management.
RE: Hornacek is destroying the starters in his presser.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/11/2017 12:00 am : link
In comment 13357175 bceagle05 said:
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He's slowly losing his mind.


I only saw the last 4+ minutes of the game, in which Jokic only scored 4 points. But the rest of the Nuggets were going crazy and it's not like it was because Jokic was getting double-teamed.

I also happened to see some of the press conference from Horny and I feel like I'm sick of his shit already. After an abomination of a defensive performance, I don't want to see him act like he has nothing to do with what's going on out there on the floor or has no control over it. If the starters effort isn't what you want, DON'T START THEM, regardless of how much money they make or where they were drafted.

Frankly, he looked like he was ready to take the Larry Brown Express out of town.
Kings win  
Giantfootball025 : 2/11/2017 1:06 am : link
our descend to a better pick continues.
We all can keep coddling KP  
Carl in CT : 2/11/2017 8:21 am : link
But he has to play better defense. The way he plays is part of the problem not the solution.
RE: Kings win  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2017 8:25 am : link
In comment 13357217 Giantfootball025 said:
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our descend to a better pick continues.


suns also won, looking at knicks schedule, they could lose 6 in a row and be top 5 soon
could you imagine if knicks didnt have their pick  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2017 8:26 am : link
oh my god this would be unbearable
16  
Carl in CT : 2/11/2017 8:33 am : link
It's still unbearable. I can't believe I'm just getting into tank mode. There is no help here. It's killing me. And it starts with KP. Yes I see the shot, points, rebounds and good person but he sucks at D and that we kill me for years. I can't deal with another sieve.
RE: 16  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2017 8:46 am : link
In comment 13357253 Carl in CT said:
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It's still unbearable. I can't believe I'm just getting into tank mode. There is no help here. It's killing me. And it starts with KP. Yes I see the shot, points, rebounds and good person but he sucks at D and that we kill me for years. I can't deal with another sieve.


it was hard for me at first, but if you believe willy can be a good 3rd or 4th piece, even if you think kp is a 2nd piece with this years draft there are plenty of number 1 pieces..

if you are in the 5-10 range i think all those guys are 2nd pieces...

1-4 i think they are number 1 pieces, ball fultz smith and i think josh jackson can squeeze into that, he will be that high risk high reward guy
KP will be fine  
Deej : 2/11/2017 8:57 am : link
enough with the bed soiling. he does some things well (rim protection for one), some things poorly on D. Few young guys are good on D, and KP isnt physically developed.

Get a defensive coach in here and some good defensive teammates before you judge KP.
RE: We all can keep coddling KP  
BigBlueShock : 2/11/2017 9:12 am : link
In comment 13357248 Carl in CT said:
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But he has to play better defense. The way he plays is part of the problem not the solution.

We? Who's that, the fans? What exactly do the fans have to do with KPs defense? Should we start booing him out of the building? What would you like us to do? Throw beer bottles at him? Will that make him play better defense? Jeezus, yeah let's make his life miserable because he probably has no clue that his defense needs a lot of work. Wtf is wrong with you people?

Besides that, it's been pretty universal that he needs to improve his defense, among other things. So again, what do you want the fans to do? This isn't the first time you've posted something like this, so please let us know what you want so you can stop regurgitating the same thing over and over again. Want us to show up at his house and let him have it?
RE: KP will be fine  
PhiPsi125 : 2/11/2017 9:22 am : link
In comment 13357262 Deej said:
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enough with the bed soiling. he does some things well (rim protection for one), some things poorly on D. Few young guys are good on D, and KP isnt physically developed.

Get a defensive coach in here and some good defensive teammates before you judge KP.


Thank you. The way some of you kill a 21 year old, 2nd Year player budding star is way over the top. Jesus, get over it already. Yes, he's been poor on defense but there are things he does well. I'm fairly confident that he will be able improve his defense. Even with KPs defensive woes, it's easy to not kill him because he's young, a team player, and has expressed the desire to improve. Which is a far cry from some of the other morons on this Knicks team. Phil really needs to surround KP with the right type of players. Melo and Rose aren't those players.
I'm more concerned  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2017 9:27 am : link
about KP leaving the first chance he gets because of all the misery and dysfunction in the franchise. We need to surround him with good young players and solid vets like Noah and Lee, even if they are overpaid. First steps should be trading or cutting Rose, and telling Melo he's coming off the bench for the rest of the season if he doesn't except a trade.
Some forecasting:  
giantsfan44ab : 2/11/2017 9:33 am : link
so up through the trade deadline, Knicks play vs SA, at OKC, at Cleveland. If you consider those 3 as losses, you're looking at a 22-36 record.

Mavs play: vs Orlando, vs Boston, @DET, @MIN. One win and they jump the Knicks.

SAC plays: vs NO, @LA, @GS, vs DEN. 1 win and they stay ahead of NY.

NO plays: @SAC, @PHO, @MEM, vs Houston. 2 wins jump the knicks. 1 to tie.

MIN: vs CHI, @CLE, @DEN, vs DAL. 2 wins jump NY.

So it's conceivable they can be at the trade deadline looking at the 7th pick of the draft, with a chance of the 6th. So if that's not enough to get phil in sell mode I don't know what is.

Anyone want to take bets on what the next win is? Philly at home is the next bet, but Embiid will probably be back by then. Then they get Toronto at home, then @PHI, @ORL, vs GS, @ORL, all after the trade deadline. If they drop games against philly and Orlando on the road they could very easily be looking at a top 4 pick within the next 3 weeks.

RE: I'm more concerned  
Enzo : 2/11/2017 10:25 am : link
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about KP leaving the first chance he gets because of all the misery and dysfunction in the franchise.

max level guys almost never leave the team that drafted them before signing a second contract.
no one is going to trade for rose...  
dep026 : 2/11/2017 10:39 am : link
And he is still world's better than Brandon jennings.

Your better off benching melo until he accepts a trade. Letting rose go after the season and just full blow tank for 2 years.

RE: RE: I'm more concerned  
Deej : 2/11/2017 10:40 am : link
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about KP leaving the first chance he gets because of all the misery and dysfunction in the franchise.


max level guys almost never leave the team that drafted them before signing a second contract.


And 7'3 guys in particular would be dumb to decline an extension at year 4 for the opportunity to take less $$ and years after year 5.
Plus with new cba  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2017 10:46 am : link
homegrown guys get so much more money, he would be leaving 60 million on the table
RE: no one is going to trade for rose...  
Canton : 2/11/2017 10:57 am : link
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And he is still world's better than Brandon jennings.

Your better off benching melo until he accepts a trade. Letting rose go after the season and just full blow tank for 2 years.


Reading between the lines..

Just long enough for Phil to get the axe
RE: no one is going to trade for rose...  
giantsfan44ab : 2/11/2017 11:00 am : link
In comment 13357324 dep026 said:
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And he is still world's better than Brandon jennings.

Your better off benching melo until he accepts a trade. Letting rose go after the season and just full blow tank for 2 years.


Then buy him out. I think both Melo and rose could be useful for some even low end playoff teams. No point in keeping Rose at all around during this mess.
RE: RE: no one is going to trade for rose...  
dep026 : 2/11/2017 11:29 am : link
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And he is still world's better than Brandon jennings.

Your better off benching melo until he accepts a trade. Letting rose go after the season and just full blow tank for 2 years.




Then buy him out. I think both Melo and rose could be useful for some even low end playoff teams. No point in keeping Rose at all around during this mess.


Why buy him out? Your losing with him anyways. If the goal is to lose, they are doing it now with this core. Rose has no value to anyone since they wont give anything up for him. And the statements that he is only looking out for himself is way overblown.
Buy him out so he can go play for a playoff team  
giantsfan44ab : 2/11/2017 11:42 am : link
Not looking out for himself, I'd just want to see him play on a playoff team.

I'd at least make the ECF interesting if Rose went to play off the bench in Boston or Washington.
They did that with  
giantsfan44ab : 2/11/2017 11:43 am : link
STAT
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Deej : 2/11/2017 11:49 am : link
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And he is still world's better than Brandon jennings.

Your better off benching melo until he accepts a trade. Letting rose go after the season and just full blow tank for 2 years.




Then buy him out. I think both Melo and rose could be useful for some even low end playoff teams. No point in keeping Rose at all around during this mess.



Why buy him out? Your losing with him anyways. If the goal is to lose, they are doing it now with this core. Rose has no value to anyone since they wont give anything up for him. And the statements that he is only looking out for himself is way overblown.


I dont like Rose, as a player and probably on a personal level. But I dont like to impute motive to people without a lot of evidence. Who knows what lurks in Rose's head (especially with respect to Rose, who I think is not a normal person upstairs).

However, I dont remember if there was a direct quote but there have at least been second hand reports of Rose talking about his next contract. He disappeared on the team for a game. And most importantly is totally unwilling to take contact. That are at least checks in favor of the theory.
RE: Buy him out so he can go play for a playoff team  
Deej : 2/11/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13357379 giantsfan44ab said:
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Not looking out for himself, I'd just want to see him play on a playoff team.

I'd at least make the ECF interesting if Rose went to play off the bench in Boston or Washington.


I dont like the message it sends. I dont think Rose gave us his all, and I wouldnt want to reward that behavior with a release that lets him go for a title and redeem his value. Players should expect to go down with the ship they helped sink.
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dep026 : 2/11/2017 11:54 am : link
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And he is still world's better than Brandon jennings.

Your better off benching melo until he accepts a trade. Letting rose go after the season and just full blow tank for 2 years.




Then buy him out. I think both Melo and rose could be useful for some even low end playoff teams. No point in keeping Rose at all around during this mess.



Why buy him out? Your losing with him anyways. If the goal is to lose, they are doing it now with this core. Rose has no value to anyone since they wont give anything up for him. And the statements that he is only looking out for himself is way overblown.



I dont like Rose, as a player and probably on a personal level. But I dont like to impute motive to people without a lot of evidence. Who knows what lurks in Rose's head (especially with respect to Rose, who I think is not a normal person upstairs).

However, I dont remember if there was a direct quote but there have at least been second hand reports of Rose talking about his next contract. He disappeared on the team for a game. And most importantly is totally unwilling to take contact. That are at least checks in favor of the theory.


Even as a rose fan... I clearly know he is not the smartest person.
I dont think it is necessarily intelligence  
Deej : 2/11/2017 11:58 am : link
I think he's kind of a delusional guy. He walks to the beat of his own drum. He creates his own reality. Etc.
Monk looks pathetic  
dep026 : 2/11/2017 2:57 pm : link
Isaiah Briscoe is fucking terrible.
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