NFT: Knicks Chat: The Butler did it or wants to?

- Harden 30, 11 and 8

- Saric 24 and 8, 1 assist, 3 steals 8-15 over 28 minutes (kisses to Deej jk)

-Vucevic 21 and 11, 3 assists 2 blocks. Why exactly is this guy so underrated? Is it because he's a traditional big in a league moving away from that? 14 and 10 with a block and 3 assists for the season.

- Super Mario 1-4 3 points, 4 boards, 3 assists (starting to play more, though 2/3 were blow outs)

-Fournier 24, 8 and 9

- Derrick Williams 3-3 12 points in his Cavs debut aka The land of ex-Knicks

-Westbrook 29, 11 and 12, 4 steals

-Adams 20 and 13

-Gobert 15 15 and 2

Hayward (maybe the most over looked star in the league) , 36, 4 and 3. Last 5 games 29, 6 and 4 on 56/41

-Yogi 9 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, 4 steals

-Seth Curry 16,5 and 4

-Vonleh 2 and 9, so far a total bust but he's a pretty good rebounder

That's a guy with thin skin who can't let anything go. He's 100 times worse that Woody Johnson because Woody's just inept he's not malicious. I do think the Dolan Knicks have set a standard for how not to run a sports organization.

im not really sure what PHI is doing with their front line. Illyasova has had a solid season, but he is what he is. Maybe they are going to try to trade him which would make some sense. But the minutes should be going to saric, Noel, and Okafor. Until embiid gets back, whenever that is.

Vucavic is def underrated. I mean last night you knew he was going to dominate because okafor is a joke on the boards and on D, ha. Hezonja stinks, i watched the first half of that game with nothing else on and he is barely noticeable. Only played a lot last night because Gordon was out.

why isnt he playing more? He isnt ready. His shooting is shitty (one game not withstanding). I think playing with a guy who shouldnt be out that is taxing on other players. E.g. why do the right thing and pass when it's to a guy who wont hit his shots (the Melo conundrum). Why sacrifice your body on D if you have teammates who will just give up the lane? Just a guess.

that we want?

In comment 13356088 Italianju said:

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im not really sure what PHI is doing with their front line. Illyasova has had a solid season, but he is what he is. Maybe they are going to try to trade him which would make some sense. But the minutes should be going to saric, Noel, and Okafor. Until embiid gets back, whenever that is. Vucavic is def underrated. I mean last night you knew he was going to dominate because okafor is a joke on the boards and on D, ha. Hezonja stinks, i watched the first half of that game with nothing else on and he is barely noticeable. Only played a lot last night because Gordon was out.

Just seemed weird Orlando was reportedly offering Vucevic and a 1st for Dragic? I get Orlando has a weird roster but that seems like a silly deal to me. Dragic is turning 31 soon. Sure starting to look like Hezonja is a turd. Imagine the morale of Knicks fans if he were here over KP lol

in solidarity with Oak until he can no longer sit in the crowd at MSG

In comment 13356094 Jon in NYC said:

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that we want?

2017 first round pick?

Oh fuck me lord....

Say it was not oakley that was banned, say it was a player knicks fans hated, say charles smith, if he was banned and came and did what oakley did, would you be defendng smith the same way?

In comment 13356097 GentleGiant said:

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in solidarity with Oak until he can no longer sit in the crowd at MSG

Should but won't. After this long, it's not Dolan who's responsible for this mess, it's Knicks fans.

In comment 13356106 nygiants16 said:

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Say it was not oakley that was banned, say it was a player knicks fans hated, say charles smith, if he was banned and came and did what oakley did, would you be defendng smith the same way?

Treated the same way? Absolutely. Don't treat ex players like garbage. It's extreme with heart and soul Oakley but I'd feel the same way if this were Derek Harper, Eddie Lee Wilkins or Jerome James

In comment 13356106 nygiants16 said:

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Say it was not oakley that was banned, say it was a player knicks fans hated, say charles smith, if he was banned and came and did what oakley did, would you be defendng smith the same way?

not defending dolan

In comment 13356108 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13356106 nygiants16 said: Quote: Say it was not oakley that was banned, say it was a player knicks fans hated, say charles smith, if he was banned and came and did what oakley did, would you be defendng smith the same way? Treated the same way? Absolutely. Don't treat ex players like garbage. It's extreme with heart and soul Oakley but I'd feel the same way if this were Derek Harper, Eddie Lee Wilkins or Jerome James

ok fair enough dan, i just wanted to see if the outrage was because of the way ex player was treated or because the ex player is Oakley

I bought tickets to see the Knicks-Sixers in Philly.

My son and I will be looking for Dolan.

In keeping with all the fun protests of late ...

"Hey hey! Ho ho! James Dolan has got to go!"

Don't think the other NBA player reaction would have been the same if it were a scrub... Oakley is something of a legend beyond his actual play (can't wait to see the torrent of Oakley jerseys at the garden next home game, wouldn't even put it past Dolan to force people to remove them lol) but it's clear Dolan has had a vendetta against Oakley. I mean look how they treat class act Patrick Ewing as if he's some scumbag

-Ball 15 and 11

-Tatum 19 5 and 9

Just get into the top 9. Isaac, Tatum and bridges are all intriguing 2 way wing prospects and then you got the PGs and monk. Gimme any of them.

In comment 13356132 DanMetroMan said:

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Don't think the other NBA player reaction would have been the same if it were a scrub... Oakley is something of a legend beyond his actual play (can't wait to see the torrent of Oakley jerseys at the garden next home game, wouldn't even put it past Dolan to force people to remove them lol) but it's clear Dolan has had a vendetta against Oakley. I mean look how they treat class act Patrick Ewing as if he's some scumbag

didnt they offer ewing a head coach job with their d league a couple of years ago and he turned it down?

It is surprising considering phil when he came back said he wanted to pay homage to the past knicks

In comment 13356168 giantsfan44ab said:

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-Ball 15 and 11 -Tatum 19 5 and 9 Just get into the top 9. Isaac, Tatum and bridges are all intriguing 2 way wing prospects and then you got the PGs and monk. Gimme any of them.

i really like bridges if you trade melo, would still need a point guard but i think fits well next to kp and willy

In comment 13356117 Beezer said:

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I bought tickets to see the Knicks-Sixers in Philly. My son and I will be looking for Dolan. In keeping with all the fun protests of late ... "Hey hey! Ho ho! James Dolan has got to go!"

Would love to hear "We want Oak!" chants at the remaining home games

In comment 13356179 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13356132 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Don't think the other NBA player reaction would have been the same if it were a scrub... Oakley is something of a legend beyond his actual play (can't wait to see the torrent of Oakley jerseys at the garden next home game, wouldn't even put it past Dolan to force people to remove them lol) but it's clear Dolan has had a vendetta against Oakley. I mean look how they treat class act Patrick Ewing as if he's some scumbag didnt they offer ewing a head coach job with their d league a couple of years ago and he turned it down? It is surprising considering phil when he came back said he wanted to pay homage to the past knicks

That's SOME olive branch... no interviews for the real Knicks job but hey want to coach the d league team? Could anyone name our last 3 dleague coaches?

he has ties to spurs organization..

the previous coach had ties to allan houston but was fired by phil jackson

have us finishing 8th worst in the NBA, at 33.6 wins. But super variable because of how bunched the west is.
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coaches the last 3 seasons

Craig Hodges, Kevin Whitted, Mike Miller

Seems like a sweet gig Patrick passed up lol

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if he is talking about melo going to Chicago?

Melo isn't going anywhere, it's the sad truth, but the good news is that he doesn't help us win games so we will continue to lose and hopefully he rethinks it in the offseason.

In comment 13356278 Keith said:

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if he is talking about melo going to Chicago? Melo isn't going anywhere, it's the sad truth, but the good news is that he doesn't help us win games so we will continue to lose and hopefully he rethinks it in the offseason.

How would anybody know exactly what was discussed? You don't think players with friends on other teams discuss linking up while they are under contract? Isn't it assumed Lebron/Melo have discussed the 2 of them being teammates? I don't think the league would even investigate Butler even if he flat out said "I let Melo know I would love to have him on my team". I think only "decision makers" would get in trouble.

In comment 13356254 Deej said:

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have us finishing 8th worst in the NBA, at 33.6 wins. But super variable because of how bunched the west is. Link - ( New Window )

The Nets are obviously locked in at 1. Suns just aren't that good. Lakers want to finish in the bottom 3 to keep their pick. Dallas, New Orleans, Sac, and Minny all have a shot at the 8 seed and are trending upward. Orlando's GM is on the hot seat and badly wants to make the playoffs. That leaves Philly who should be getting Simmons back but most likely won't be pushing Embiid or Simmons hard.

Knicks are in excellent position to finish in the bottom 5. As sad as it to say, this is a very important point for the franchise. The Draft is always a crap-shoot, but getting in the top 5 greatly increases your chances of getting an impact player.Especially in this year's draft which is considered strong. Finishing 5th worst gives you a 29% chance of being in the top 3.

Jackson should have the foresight to see how valuable a top 5 pick is and with 28 games left, start the tank and trade off pieces for additional picks.

but it is really time and phil has to start selling off some of these vets for picks, even if it is 2018 picks..

if you make the right pocks you can really turn this into a young fun team rather quickly..

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Oh fuck me lord....

Be careful what you wish for on BBI... :-)

Saying something like "The man's been an NBA assistant for 10 years and the greatest Knick ever, and all they offer him is the D-league job?"

In comment 13356294 TyreeHelmet said:

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Lakers want to finish in the bottom 3 to keep their pick.

This is a bit of a misnomer. There may be some in management who want to preserve the pick. Players I think dont care a bit about it -- they want to win and make good game tape. Walton didnt look like he was coaching to lose @MSG.

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Philly who should be getting Simmons back but most likely won't be pushing Embiid or Simmons hard.

I think they wont push either guy too hard due to injury concerns, but I believe the Sixers want to show well. It's time to have positive momentum and create some buzz, maybe flip a UFA to come who otherwise wouldnt have considered them. Not a max stud, but a quality 2 way guard or something.

since the start of the new year.

Players obviously don't Care about the pick but the Lakers have gone off "experimenting" with lineups since their "hot" start. They've gone away from playing Randle at the 5 (which was a big part of the surge in offense to start the season). I think management is all in on keeping the pick, landing Lonzo ball seems like the best possible outcome for this franchise going forward.

Letting Brandon Ingram run point for stretches in a game doesn't seem like the best way to win games.

They're trying to dump their two best players. Don't see the Knicks falling past them. 8 seems pretty reasonable for the pick we end up with.

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Ouch

Former All-American at Louisville and second-round NBA Draft pick; quick play-maker with the ball in his hands, can wreak havoc as on-ball defender; ranked 2nd in scoring in 2015-16, including record 65-point game


Jesus.. he's averaging 28 points, 8 assists, 2 steals 5 rebounds on 46/30... I guess his 3 point shooting but still wow

I'm guessing those are the biggest reasons.

In comment 13356383 Greg from LI said:

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Ouch

Yeah you'd think a foreign league would pay better and would be a bit better for the ego.

In comment 13356400 DanMetroMan said:

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Former All-American at Louisville and second-round NBA Draft pick; quick play-maker with the ball in his hands, can wreak havoc as on-ball defender; ranked 2nd in scoring in 2015-16, including record 65-point game Jesus.. he's averaging 28 points, 8 assists, 2 steals 5 rebounds on 46/30... I guess his 3 point shooting but still wow

Might have to do with him shooting 32% when he was in the NBA.

A lot of these short senior PGs I think you gotta worry about if they're able to run an offense at the NBA level. I think that's the main reason why Yogi went undrafted. He's much more athletic than your typical senior PG. He probably has above average NBA quickness.

But if you're undersized, not a superior athlete and can't shoot 3s there's not much of a role cut out for you in the NBA.

TJ McConnell is an interesting case study in this regard.

Ryan Kelley and Jordan Crawford are all In the top 15 of what TE d league has to offer I'm not sure how much value there is there.

In comment 13356422 giantsfan44ab said:

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Ryan Kelley and Jordan Crawford are all In the top 15 of what TE d league has to offer I'm not sure how much value there is there.

whats easier to do, average 25 in d league or 30 in china league?

The frontrunner for the MVP this year is shooting 41% from the floor. And doesnt play any defense.

Think about that for a second.

Head of security at MSG just got canned.
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Good athlete, strong, excellent free throw shooter. His 3 point numbers are bad, but he keeps shooting them for some reason.

He's only a consideration for me in the 9-12 range.

In comment 13356453 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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Good athlete, strong, excellent free throw shooter. His 3 point numbers are bad, but he keeps shooting them for some reason. He's only a consideration for me in the 9-12 range.

His stroke isnt bad from downtown. I like him more than Josh jackson. Bigger, stronger. Can put more muscle on too.

I have Tatum as the first non PG/Monk.

reminds me a little of Shawn Marion.

I LOVE Jackson. Yes, I know his shooting numbers are an abomination, but he's great at every other aspect of the game. His defense, athleticism, ball-handling, rebounding, and passing are all terrific.

Marion is a pretty good comparison.

In comment 13356411 Deej said:

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In comment 13356383 Greg from LI said: Quote: Ouch Yeah you'd think a foreign league would pay better and would be a bit better for the ego.

For the 16-17 D-League season, there will only be two tiers for salaries as the “C” has been eliminated. The new salary levels will be $19,500 (B-Level) and $26,000 (A-Level) and the salary cap will rise to $209,000.