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DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 7:26 am
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Anthony's no-trade clause means the Knicks can't send him anywhere they could get real assets for him, and the cities he wants to go to are thin on assets to send back. (Jamal Crawford and Austin Rivers aren't exactly a pretty penny for a multiple-time All-Star.) But there may have emerged a new suitor that could drastically alter the landscape of this MeloDrama 2.0. Those same Chicago Bulls. From the Chicago Sun Times:
Jimmy Butler talked to Carmelo Anthony three days ago.
It was a "catch-up'' call, according to Butler on Wednesday.
What it should have been was a recruiting call, letting Anthony know that he's still welcomed in a Bulls uniform if he goes ahead and waives that no-trade clause to escape New York. Don't, however, rule out Butler making that call soon.
"That is half the battle,'' Butler said, when discussing making a player from another team feel welcomed. "And I could still do that. I think everybody knows what Carmelo can bring to a team. The dude is a helluva player.
"But I think that we have some things that we've got to worry about here first in the next few weeks [leading into the trade deadline], before we go down that road.''
-http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/if-jimmy-butler-is-recruiting-melo-here-are-some-trade-ideas-for-bulls-knicks/?linkId=34283318

-Reggie Miller & #10004; @ReggieMillerTNT
If you're a FA to be, why would you play for an Owner who treats the past greats like this or a President who stabs star player in the back?

-Al Iannazzone & #10004; @Al_Iannazzone
Oakley on ESPN-NY Radio on confrontations: "One guy, try your luck. Eight, 9 guys, I have to brace myself and be ready for the challenge."

-Knicks issued yet another statement knocking Oak. Pathetic franchise.
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RE: RE: Jayson Tatum is looking pretty good now.  
giantsfan44ab : 2/10/2017 12:09 pm : link
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Good athlete, strong, excellent free throw shooter. His 3 point numbers are bad, but he keeps shooting them for some reason.

He's only a consideration for me in the 9-12 range.



His stroke isnt bad from downtown. I like him more than Josh jackson. Bigger, stronger. Can put more muscle on too.

I have Tatum as the first non PG/Monk.


I think I'm higher than Jackson than you but I would take Tatum, Isaac and bridges all before him.

I'm really confused as to why bridges lags behind the other top wings in the draft.

He seems attributed with being the most athletic/explosive of the bunch, he's tagged with being a tweener despite being able to guard multiple positions and handle the ball, and his biggest knock is his outside shot even though he's shooting 40% from 3 on nearly 2 makes a game.

All that despite being on a much worse team than anyone else going top 10. He's THE man in Lansing and the focal point of that offense.

I think all 3 will be ~20 ppg scorers while being good defenders and great rebounders for the 3 spot (especially Isaac, followed by bridges).
Like the Marion comp for  
giantsfan44ab : 2/10/2017 12:14 pm : link
Jackson. Will certainly have to add weight if he's not going to be a knockdown 3 point shooter but he's a great glue guy at the next level.

Draft net gives Tatum a Danny granger comparison and that's a pretty good one IMO. Signs point to him being a good outside shooter despite the low numbers.

I don't really know a good one for bridges, I guess sort of a PF version of Nic Batum? Certainly not the ball handler of Batum but he's kind of that guy that can give you production in every facet.

Isaac-no idea. Unique player, he might be able to play the 3-5 spots in varying capacities in the NBA.
out of that group, Isaac would be my pick  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 12:27 pm : link
6'10", tremendous athlete, willing to play physical despite being slender, can do many things well. Only thing that could be called a weakness right now is his jump shot, but it's not terrible and you can learn to shoot. You can't learn to be 6'10" with great quickness.
Jackson scares me  
dep026 : 2/10/2017 12:28 pm : link
because whats his role in the NBA? I dont see him running off screens. Being a ball dominant forward? I dont see much of a post up game. He is thin (in a brandon Ingram type of way). I am not saying he is going to be bad whatsoever.

But I see Tatum as more of a well rounded scorer. I can see him posting guys up. I can see him shoot the ball better. And I can see him being more physical.
giantsfan  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 12:34 pm : link
bridges i see some draymond in him but he has to commit to being a defensive stud, that turned green into a superstar..

RE: Jackson scares me  
giantsfan44ab : 2/10/2017 12:38 pm : link
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because whats his role in the NBA? I dont see him running off screens. Being a ball dominant forward? I dont see much of a post up game. He is thin (in a brandon Ingram type of way). I am not saying he is going to be bad whatsoever.

But I see Tatum as more of a well rounded scorer. I can see him posting guys up. I can see him shoot the ball better. And I can see him being more physical.


Seems like fair concerns. Despite being skinny he still has like 20 pounds on Ingram and is shorter. I think Ingram is the absolute extreme of being a skinny NBA player. I think he's a 2 guard even despite not having a good outside shot omas of yet. I think he should be in the middle of the lottery rather than top 5.

Markonnen is a guy i have more questions about. Low bust potential but people expecting KP 2.0 might be disappointed in getting a taller Ryan Anderson. Not absolutely a bad thing. I think he's ideally someone you put at the 4 next to AD. NO should 100% be on this guy with their pick.
Zach Lowe's 10 things and this was #4...  
EricNY33 : 2/10/2017 12:38 pm : link
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4. The Knicks

The New York Knicks are a complete embarrassment, and I kind of think we should all just stop talking about them.


And I can't say I blame him.

I can't believe we're here again.
I'm afraid to say "Well, ok, this is finally rock bottom"  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 12:40 pm : link
I don't know how they could be more embarrassing, but I'll never say never again.
RE: Zach Lowe's 10 things and this was #4...  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 12:45 pm : link
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4. The Knicks

The New York Knicks are a complete embarrassment, and I kind of think we should all just stop talking about them.



And I can't say I blame him.

I can't believe we're here again.


hey at least they are not givong their draft pick away this year...

Jackson is going to have to improve his shot (A LOT),  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/10/2017 1:01 pm : link
but in the first few years of his career he can be a ball handler who can dribble/drive, kick out, and finish at the rim. He can also be a guy who scores a bunch of baskets in transition (like Marion & Greek Freak).

He probably has the least developed offensive game of the top 10 (or so) prospects, but the rest of his game is so impressive. The Knicks could use a guy who takes pride in his defense.
RE: Jackson is going to have to improve his shot (A LOT),  
dep026 : 2/10/2017 1:10 pm : link
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but in the first few years of his career he can be a ball handler who can dribble/drive, kick out, and finish at the rim. He can also be a guy who scores a bunch of baskets in transition (like Marion & Greek Freak).

He probably has the least developed offensive game of the top 10 (or so) prospects, but the rest of his game is so impressive. The Knicks could use a guy who takes pride in his defense.


Ill have to watch his defense more, it never struck me as great. He has length and athleticism obviously. My question will be is can he guard more physical guys?
RE: I'm afraid to say  
Stu11 : 2/10/2017 1:14 pm : link
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I don't know how they could be more embarrassing, but I'll never say never again.

This. You can never say too low with this franchise. My only prayer is that the Clippers and Cavs were total embarrassments until lightning came and they suddenly are good so who knows we are due for something good to happen at some point. Until then this my vote for the new logos on our unis:
Dolan is such a detestable  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/10/2017 1:55 pm : link
human being. Lives life playing with Daddy's money. Lacking any obvious talent.
Dolan will be in studio on the kay show at 4  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 2:18 pm : link
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RE: Dolan will be in studio on the kay show at 4  
EricNY33 : 2/10/2017 2:24 pm : link
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Really? What the hell man? Just let it go!
That quote by Oakley is idiotic  
Tuckrule : 2/10/2017 2:26 pm : link
Just shows he was immediately the aggressor which is no surprise
RE: Dolan will be in studio on the kay show at 4  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/10/2017 2:54 pm : link
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I'm sure they'll ask the hard hitting questions and none of it will be pre-screened and sterilized.
RE: RE: Jackson is going to have to improve his shot (A LOT),  
Deej : 2/10/2017 3:00 pm : link
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Ill have to watch his defense more, it never struck me as great. He has length and athleticism obviously. My question will be is can he guard more physical guys?


I've never seen him play, but I recalled the linked ringer article talking about how his steal/block #s dwarf recent big wings. Article far from all rah rah, even about his defensive potential.
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EricNY33 : 2/10/2017 3:06 pm : link
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Ill have to watch his defense more, it never struck me as great. He has length and athleticism obviously. My question will be is can he guard more physical guys?



I've never seen him play, but I recalled the linked ringer article talking about how his steal/block #s dwarf recent big wings. Article far from all rah rah, even about his defensive potential. Link - ( New Window )


His biggest knock is sometimes he's overaggressive on defense which creates fouls, but he's just an aggressive player on both ends of the floor.
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DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 3:46 pm : link

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his development and demoralized him. And then KP had to watch Oakley be led out of MSG in cuffs, banned for life. Knick fandom is fun!
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how has kps growth been stunted?  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 3:57 pm : link
he is averaging more points, better shooting percentage and better rebounding than last year, how has his growth been stunted..

and please stop with linsanity, jeremy lin has prived what kind of player he is...

oh and the stat gallo chandler knicks were goimg nowhere
I love Alan Sepinwall, but he should stick to talking about  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/10/2017 5:18 pm : link
Jane The Virgin.
RE: I love Alan Sepinwall, but he should stick to talking about  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 5:22 pm : link
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Jane The Virgin.


He's actually written extensively about the Knicks in the past. He was especially upset when lin was let go. He's more a fan than anything else but he's a long term knick fan... PS Jane the Virgin is a solid show..
You can tell who the ham and egger Knicks fans are  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/10/2017 5:26 pm : link
By their opinions on Jeremy Lin.
I love Jane The Virgin, but  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/10/2017 5:26 pm : link
you can't bring up Jeremy Lin as an example of a James Dolan fuck-up. In that case, stick to TV.
RE: I love Jane The Virgin, but  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 5:28 pm : link
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you can't bring up Jeremy Lin as an example of a James Dolan fuck-up. In that case, stick to TV.


Posted it by accident on the other thread but just some "back up" to the fact Alan is legit a super fan (it's a fun read even if you don't care about Alan Sepinwell at all)
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RE: You can tell who the ham and egger Knicks fans are  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13356973 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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By their opinions on Jeremy Lin.


TTH- I have no horse in this race but he's a legit super fan regardless of being "wrong" on Lin. I don't know him personally, not defending his honor just remember when he used to post on AOL Knicks boards (where I started my bromance with JoeMP and EricNY33 in fact).
In addition, the 54 win team wasn't "abandoned".  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/10/2017 5:31 pm : link
Kidd and Sheed retired, leaving a massive leadership (and underrated performance) hole. JR Smith got paid and promptly turned back into JR Smith. Tyson Chandler completely quit on the team.
the crazy part about all of this  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 5:31 pm : link
if knicks hit on their pick this year, they could have a fun young tram full of homegrown talent next year that would be fun to watch and grow with...

RE: the crazy part about all of this  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/10/2017 5:33 pm : link
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if knicks hit on their pick this year, they could have a fun young tram full of homegrown talent next year that would be fun to watch and grow with...


I don't think I've watched a full Knicks game since Christmas. Now I just check the score or flip over to the game for a second to make sure they're losing.
RE: RE: You can tell who the ham and egger Knicks fans are  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/10/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13356981 DanMetroMan said:
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By their opinions on Jeremy Lin.



TTH- I have no horse in this race but he's a legit super fan regardless of being "wrong" on Lin. I don't know him personally, not defending his honor just remember when he used to post on AOL Knicks boards (where I started my bromance with JoeMP and EricNY33 in fact).



I don't mean it in a bad way. I don't have anything against casual fans. Just funny to see them rant over something so obviously minor.
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 5:37 pm : link
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if knicks hit on their pick this year, they could have a fun young tram full of homegrown talent next year that would be fun to watch and grow with...




I don't think I've watched a full Knicks game since Christmas. Now I just check the score or flip over to the game for a second to make sure they're losing.


i still watch every game start to finish, i am sick in the head that way
THey're worth watching for trainwreck purposes.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 5:39 pm : link
How are they gonna lose this time? Blown out by the shitty Lakers? Four overtimes against the Hawks? Buzzer-beater by the Sixers? Blown 10-point lead to the Clips after Oakley gets dragged out in cuffs? I'd be lying if I said I watch every minute, but there's entertainment value still. And if you're rooting for losses, like I am now - they rarely disappoint you.
RE: THey're worth watching for trainwreck purposes.  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 5:43 pm : link
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How are they gonna lose this time? Blown out by the shitty Lakers? Four overtimes against the Hawks? Buzzer-beater by the Sixers? Blown 10-point lead to the Clips after Oakley gets dragged out in cuffs? I'd be lying if I said I watch every minute, but there's entertainment value still. And if you're rooting for losses, like I am now - they rarely disappoint you.


see i cant root for losses but when they lose i can see the bright side in the loss
Dolan is a disgusting POS  
Deej : 2/10/2017 5:46 pm : link
It's not going to necessarily prevent them from being good -- Sterling was worse and the Clips got good. But I have to think it makes things that much more difficult. The fish stinks rots from the head.
I see the bright side of tanking  
giantsfan44ab : 2/10/2017 5:51 pm : link
but now that its actually happening a small part of my soul dies after each loss. Especially when I watch the games.

Have trouble watching a full NBA game at this part of the season aside from the big matchups, but always try catching KP/Willy highlights.

Ironically the most amount of NBA games I watch are during class.
Yeah I wouldn't say I root against them during games  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 5:51 pm : link
but I just kinda laugh off their ineptitude at this point. I root for KP and Willy, so I loved the Nets game.
RE: Yeah I wouldn't say I root against them during games  
giantsfan44ab : 2/10/2017 6:20 pm : link
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but I just kinda laugh off their ineptitude at this point. I root for KP and Willy, so I loved the Nets game.


Yeah exactly. Just rooting for those 2. And for other guys to step up for trade value. But those are the only two guys I actually view as Knicks long term.
Starting lineup  
Deej : 2/10/2017 7:32 pm : link
KP-Melo-Lee-Rose-Jennings. Small ball.
No  
Deej : 2/10/2017 7:33 pm : link
Gallo, Faried, or Mudiay
RE: Starting lineup  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 7:37 pm : link
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KP-Melo-Lee-Rose-Jennings. Small ball.


interesting, this spreads the floor alot..

jennings can be the distributor, rose can just worry aboit scoring
RE: RE: Yeah I wouldn't say I root against them during games  
Deej : 2/10/2017 7:39 pm : link
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but I just kinda laugh off their ineptitude at this point. I root for KP and Willy, so I loved the Nets game.



Yeah exactly. Just rooting for those 2. And for other guys to step up for trade value. But those are the only two guys I actually view as Knicks long term.


Also forces KP on their best player, Jokic, though he doesnt go to the line much (until now...)
So far  
Deej : 2/10/2017 7:48 pm : link
every jumper going

Knicks switch for no reason at all. it's really embarassing.

generally, looks like Jokic doesnt like covering the 3 point line, and on offense seems a bit frustrated with KP's length.
Jokic is truly incredible  
giantsfan44ab : 2/10/2017 7:58 pm : link
Still can't help but think rose would thrive off the ball with a big that can hit backdoor cutters like him.
why is it that every time i play hernangomez  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 8:08 pm : link
in my draft kings he doesnt play?
I missed Ill Will so much, damn you Dolan  
Mason : 2/10/2017 8:35 pm : link
Melo should have just signed that summer.
RE: I missed Ill Will so much, damn you Dolan  
giantsfan44ab : 2/10/2017 8:36 pm : link
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Melo should have just signed that summer.


Dudes a baller. Was my favorite knick.
RE: RE: I missed Ill Will so much, damn you Dolan  
Mason : 2/10/2017 8:39 pm : link
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Melo should have just signed that summer.



Dudes a baller. Was my favorite knick.


Imagine keeping Ill Will, Gallo, etc. and then adding Melo and keeping our picks. Fuck you Dolan. The asshole took credit for the trade again today. Letting Donnie squarely off the hook.
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 8:40 pm : link
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Melo should have just signed that summer.



Dudes a baller. Was my favorite knick.



Imagine keeping Ill Will, Gallo, etc. and then adding Melo and keeping our picks. Fuck you Dolan. The asshole took credit for the trade again today. Letting Donnie squarely off the hook.


you couldnt add melo and keep chandler and gallo, 1 at minimum had to go..
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Mason : 2/10/2017 8:46 pm : link
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Melo should have just signed that summer.



Dudes a baller. Was my favorite knick.



Imagine keeping Ill Will, Gallo, etc. and then adding Melo and keeping our picks. Fuck you Dolan. The asshole took credit for the trade again today. Letting Donnie squarely off the hook.



you couldnt add melo and keep chandler and gallo, 1 at minimum had to go..


nope. They had room. Knicks assumed that Chandler wanted a huge contract. Nuggets convinced him to take a long reasonable contract. He already stated he would have taken less to stay in NYC. Walsh admitted that he was surprised and believed Chandler would have commanded more. Gallo was the only one that took the huge contract. The other contracts were coming off the books in 2011. That's why Donnie was telling Dolan to wait and see.

The only reason why Melo pushed for the trade was he feared the new CBA after the NBA possible lockout which happened. He wanted an extension on his existing contract for the extra year.
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