How fondly do you view Bill Belichick?

...talk about him with reverence. That's good enough for me.

he's aces by me.

I love him. He considers himself to be a Giant at heart. He never really wanted to leave.

He's Giants family.

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He's Giants family.

well said

In my mind he will always be a Giant.

happy for him and his success. Even more so the success not being on the Giants behalf.

his practicality of mind

I think many of his comments in the past about the Giants indicate he is indeed a Giant at heart. No doubt he is also a Patriot though. I would expect nothing less from him.

He is also the best HC since the implementation of the salary cap. No other coach has come close to mastering the salary cap the way he has.

Always remember him on the sidelines scribbling furiously upside down on his grease board coaching up the defense. You never had to worry about the defense being under-prepared while he was there.
Today I'll root for the Patriots simply because of him. I've heard rumors that he wants to coach the Giants at some point before he retires because of his fondness for the Maras and the organization. Maybe after his run in New England is up.

they seem to know football, they get how he does it.

its cool and fine.

now, those iggles fans.... ;-)

In comment 13356183 JimInKgnNY said:

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Always remember him on the sidelines scribbling furiously upside down on his grease board coaching up the defense. You never had to worry about the defense being under-prepared while he was there. Today I'll root for the Patriots simply because of him. I've heard rumors that he wants to coach the Giants at some point before he retires because of his fondness for the Maras and the organization. Maybe after his run in New England is up.

I hope you are kidding?

Talk about the ship has sailed, we are talking the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria just left the dock.

Glad the Giants were part of his coaching career. But he is and will forever be a Patriot in history. And that is fine.

always have. I am not surprised by any of his success. Wish he had stayed with the Giants.

I have no positive feelings for him whatsoever. He can burn in hell for all I care.

In comment 13356315 Boy Cord said:

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I have no positive feelings for him whatsoever. He can burn in hell for all I care.

This is a Giants site, not a Jets site. :-)

he totally fucked up letting Belichick slip away.

I am amused and LOL with guys like Boy Cord, love that also but in a different way.

I don't get the hate for him. An incredibly innovative coach who has manipulated the system to his advantage. In theory he "cheated" but damn, I wish we never let him go.

Always a Giant

In comment 13356359 Steve L said:

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I don't get the hate for him. An incredibly innovative coach who has manipulated the system to his advantage. In theory he "cheated" but damn, I wish we never let him go.

same here

I definitely don't think once a Giant always a Giant, and I while I do think he appreciates his time in NY and the talent those teams had and the player he helped coach up, I don't think he considers himself a Giant.

I admire his results, consider him the GOAT, but I do not think fondly of him nor do I consider him a Giant forever anymore than I consider Ray Handley a Giant forever. Or Dan Reeves or Tom Landry or any other coach who left (through their own will or not).

80's could not hold BB in high esteem just as those from the 50's must have held Lombardi in high esteem or even Landry.

I take a great deal of pride in knowing what BB meant to the Giants in that time and how he directed one of the NFL's greatest defenses, how he developed game plans to stop the greatest offenses of the time in SF and Buffalo. SF never really dominated us during those times and neither did Buffalo.

BB is a huge part of Giants history...it wasn't like he was only here for a couple of years but ten years. The fact that he has been successful at NE is a great tribute to him and unfortunately the short sightedness of GY. We should have hired him after Reeves.

either and his offense played a part in the first two Giants SB's as well.

I see no reason that because Belichick went on to become a legendary head coach he should be considered any differently due to being Giants DC (and let's face it his schemes were great, but he had LT, Carson, Banks, Pepper Johnson, Marshall, Burt, Howard, Martin, Reasons, Van Pelt, etc.) to work with just in the front 7.

While Earhardt had some talent, not nearly what the defense did and Belichick still uses a lot of Earhardt principles in the Patriots offense.

I think Parcells fucked him over several times, and BB has come out being a far better coach. The Jets debacle was more on BP than BB.

there's only one coach I say fuck you, and that's BP. 'little' Bill makes BP look like an also ran. It's getting a bit tired now with BB constantly being in the playoffs and winning titles, while BP is withering away as a has been after fucking over virtually every team he's ever been with, but I will always hold a soft spot for Belichick.

I was quite surprised at how much people hate NE this year. I think they hate because they are year after year darn good. Helps to have a great QB, but a lot of HC's with good-great QB's don't have anywhere near the resume of BB. TC couldn't sniff the playoffs more years than not with Eli. I don't think there's a HC alive today that can dream of getting a whiff of the BB winning ways.

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my lasting memory is him being carried off the field in his red satin giants jacket by banks and lt? after we destroyed skins in nfc championship

That will always be tainted. Is there anything is sports lower?

to the Giants.

But he IS a cheater who knowingly breaks the rules to win. So there's that.

with Belichick - I'm more in awe of him and his football acumen

I keep a place for him as part of my best memories of the Giants

He reminds me of this guy (Yoda) ....



Nothing endearing about him (as is every wizard), very good to have on your side. But, are you going to choose him as your buddy ? - probably not.

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don't, or haven't cheated on a regular basis, IMO you are delusional.

Whether BB pushed cheating to a little higher lever, or whether the Giants and others were better at not getting caught can be argued.

once a Giant, always a Giant. and anyone who's read about him or saw his Football Life knows, he LOVES this organization above all. He'll be back in some capacity one day. You heard it here first.

Always root for the Pats cause I love the man

unlike Parcells. I think another big difference between the 2 Bills is that you couldn't count on Parcells to stay and finish the job through.

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don't, or haven't cheated on a regular basis, IMO you are delusional. Whether BB pushed cheating to a little higher lever, or whether the Giants and others were better at not getting caught can be argued.

Then I'm delusional

I thought that was established years ago :)

In comment 13356549 fkap said:

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I thought that was established years ago :)

👍👏🏼

even though it was before Parcells did. I remember Russo saying on air that GY never thought Little Bill head coach material. Obviously his biggest mistake as Giants GM.

In comment 13356547 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13356519 fkap said: Quote: don't, or haven't cheated on a regular basis, IMO you are delusional. Whether BB pushed cheating to a little higher lever, or whether the Giants and others were better at not getting caught can be argued. Then I'm delusional

does wind tunnel ring a bell?

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don't, or haven't cheated on a regular basis, IMO you are delusional. Whether BB pushed cheating to a little higher lever, or whether the Giants and others were better at not getting caught can be argued.

cheating has nothing to do with my feelings about Belichick, but can you list for us some of the ways the Giants have cheated on a regular basis?

In comment 13356614 ron mexico said:

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In comment 13356547 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 13356519 fkap said: Quote: don't, or haven't cheated on a regular basis, IMO you are delusional. Whether BB pushed cheating to a little higher lever, or whether the Giants and others were better at not getting caught can be argued. Then I'm delusional does wind tunnel ring a bell?

teaching the D to kick the ball after plays in SB 25 to waste time?

In comment 13356615 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13356519 fkap said: Quote: don't, or haven't cheated on a regular basis, IMO you are delusional. Whether BB pushed cheating to a little higher lever, or whether the Giants and others were better at not getting caught can be argued. cheating has nothing to do with my feelings about Belichick, but can you list for us some of the ways the Giants have cheated on a regular basis?

above mentioned opening and closing of the stadium gates to influence wind on the field is the most egregious.

Using a walkie talkie this year.

Smaller things like faking injuries to get time outs.

None of these bother, me. If you aint cheating you aint trying

and Landry leaving.... letting Belichick go was one of the worst organizational moves (player or coach) in franchise history.

This is not hindsight either. My father and I were saying even when Parcells was still here that Belichick was the brains behind the game plan. We both lost our minds when he left. Did we know that he would go on to win this many championships? Hell no...but we knew he was our future.

In comment 13356614 ron mexico said:

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In comment 13356547 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: In comment 13356519 fkap said: Quote: don't, or haven't cheated on a regular basis, IMO you are delusional. Whether BB pushed cheating to a little higher lever, or whether the Giants and others were better at not getting caught can be argued. Then I'm delusional does wind tunnel ring a bell?

Or even more recenly - Giants got fined $200,000 for "bending the rules" just this past season because McAdoo illegally used a walkie-talkie.Can you imagine if that was Patriots?? People would have been crying to kick them out of the league...

I still don't think Big Blue 56 is delusional though. While we may disagree sometimes, he's excused because he's blinded by his passion for the G-Men. I get it...I'm guilty too.

In comment 13356624 ron mexico said:

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In comment 13356615 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13356519 fkap said: Quote: don't, or haven't cheated on a regular basis, IMO you are delusional. Whether BB pushed cheating to a little higher lever, or whether the Giants and others were better at not getting caught can be argued. cheating has nothing to do with my feelings about Belichick, but can you list for us some of the ways the Giants have cheated on a regular basis? above mentioned opening and closing of the stadium gates to influence wind on the field is the most egregious. Using a walkie talkie this year. Smaller things like faking injuries to get time outs. None of these bother, me. If you aint cheating you aint trying

This was done once, hardly fits the description of "regularly"

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Using a walkie talkie this year.

and the last time a team accused the Giants of this the player went on IR (Dan Connor):

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Smaller things like faking injuries to get time outs.

and the opening and closing gates is about as mythical as Jimmy Hoffa being buried in the end zone.

I certainly believe it's possible the Giants have cheated, but none of your examples are legit IMO.

In comment 13356629 EricJ said:

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and Landry leaving.... letting Belichick go was one of the worst organizational moves (player or coach) in franchise history. This is not hindsight either. My father and I were saying even when Parcells was still here that Belichick was the brains behind the game plan. We both lost our minds when he left. Did we know that he would go on to win this many championships? Hell no...but we knew he was our future.

again, Landry was not let go due to an organizational mistake. He retired, left football to go into the oil business. He had an engineering degree and he and his wife didn't like NY. When the NFL got wind of Lamar Hunt wooing him for the AFL, Wellington Mara intervened on behalf of the then expansion Cowboys. Lombardi was "loaned" to GB, but GB reneged.

Read Ernie Palladino's "Lombardi and Landry"

The Giants "lend" Lombardi to the Packers ....

http://www.bigblueview.com/nfl-playoff-schedule-2017-ny-giants-green-bay-packers-preview-recap-news/2017/1/7/14195942/how-vince-lombardi-was-hired-as-the-packers-head-coach-ny-giants-jim-lee-howell-tom-landry

As a Giant fan who came of age with the Parcell's Giants I remember Belichick with great fondness. And like many others of this era, I remember well how Parcells let Belichick go to Cleveland. We all thought at the time that Parcells didn't want Belichick to inherit the Giants because that would have diminished Parcells legacy with the Giants. And I still think that today about Parcells.

Not to Miller the thread with Parcells history, but the Bills really were tied together for much of their careers. I still resent Parcells for pushing Belichick out the door but at least he did so after bringing us two Super Bowls and pulling the franchise out of a thirty year shit hole.

I'm a bit dubious of the idea that Belichick is a Giant at heart. The guys a stone cold killer of a coach and the Giants delivered two pretty serious blows to his teams. Also, after following his career pretty closely and reading a fair amount about Belichick, the guy doesn't seem to have much affection for anyone or anything other than his work.

"and the last time a team accused the Giants of this the player went on IR (Dan Connor):

Smaller things like faking injuries to get time outs."

you dont remember this play?