Some people are saying that the reason he got kicked out was that he is just banned from the Garden. That's the only justification for the Knicks to look the way they did.
But they have not said that in their 'statements.' Does anyone know if prior to that game he was banned or no? Also surprised John McEnroe hasn't given his version.
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Painful to believe that my last image of Oak at MSG is him dragged out of the arena. Is this how we remember our Legends? #NoBan
Went I sat in the 400 sections, those were very rowdy. I remember one Wall Street guy would come in smelling of booze and cursing at the opposing team even before the anthem.
When I went down to the 300 section it was less rowdy but there was plenty of cursing. Even fathers with their kids and wives there.
The only guy I remember getting escorted out of MSG was a guy who was blackout and pissed on himself. And that time a fight broke out. But they were back for the next game.
now it is loud for the wrong reasons..
it is just going to get worse to because no one is going to have patience for the draft picks coming in to pan out
now it is loud for the wrong reasons..
it is just going to get worse to because no one is going to have patience for the draft picks coming in to pan out
I can't stand Dolan. What a prick.
In fairness, fans on a message board generally are going to be hypercritical "crazy" fans. I suspect most Knicks fans are less critical than those on BBI etc. + I think it's fair to critique ANY player within the context of remembering age, development etc. I think 99% of the criticism for KP on BBI has been more than fair (defensive lapses in particular).
Fans: I hate you!
Jimmy: Fuck you too. Oh by the way. Phil gave Melo that NTC when he chose to re-signed him. Take that! And your guy Oak is a drunk. I know about drunks and he's one!
To think - that guy grew up surrounded by enough money to get the best schooling on the planet, and he sounds like he just rolled out of bed in a trailer park with a can of Bud stuck to his forehead.
To think - that guy grew up surrounded by enough money to get the best schooling on the planet, and he sounds like he just rolled out of bed in a trailer park with a can of Bud stuck to his forehead.
The man attacked his own father over control of MSG when his father knew he was screwing up. I'm not surprised by anything Jim Dolan does after that.
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Dolan sounds like he should seek some professional help.
To think - that guy grew up surrounded by enough money to get the best schooling on the planet, and he sounds like he just rolled out of bed in a trailer park with a can of Bud stuck to his forehead.
The man attacked his own father over control of MSG when his father knew he was screwing up. I'm not surprised by anything Jim Dolan does after that.
The Anucha Brown Sanders case says everything there needs to be said about Dolan. He's a lowlife scumbag. Polar opposite of John Mara.
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Word. Time for Knicks fans to do what our predecessors (Giants fans in the 60s and 70s) did.
Dolan must be referring to the MSG security report where reportedly Oakley said "All of you suck Dolan's d**k."
Was it though? Pretty sure that although this is a new low, he's a known entity by now.
I'd say the Rangers are better than "halfway decent". And we can't even say he's meddling in the day to day decisions of the Knicks anymore. Being successful in the NBA is almost as much about being lucky as it is being good. Unless you can convince me the Knicks aren't going to win the draft lottery because of Dolan, I don't think a change at the top is going to mean all that much.
Since Oakley has admitted to having been drinking prior to arriving at the Garden I doubt he would have much of a case.
And yet, every game is basically sold out. And I count myself in this mess as I am a season ticket holder.
Nothing will change all until fans stop buying tickets and stop watching MSG Network.
And yet, every game is basically sold out. And I count myself in this mess as I am a season ticket holder.
Nothing will change all until fans stop buying tickets and stop watching MSG Network.
not resigning jeremy.lin should not be a black eye on the franchise
And yet, every game is basically sold out. And I count myself in this mess as I am a season ticket holder.
Nothing will change all until fans stop buying tickets and stop watching MSG Network.
The real kick in the rear for fans is that this time by all accounts he hired a basketball man, paid him well and left him alone. Just our luck Phil seems to be in over his head at this point. Had he done well things would be remarkably different.
And I put myself in that category. So I'm to blame too.
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Dolan's basically telling everyone he's a drunk with zero evidence.
Since Oakley has admitted to having been drinking prior to arriving at the Garden I doubt he would have much of a case.
Having a few drinks and being an alcoholic are 2 totally different things.
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Dolan's basically telling everyone he's a drunk with zero evidence.
Since Oakley has admitted to having been drinking prior to arriving at the Garden I doubt he would have much of a case.
Having a few drinks and being an alcoholic are 2 totally different things.
I agree but the question was about his having a case for slander. Did Dolan use the word alcoholic? My point is that I doubt Oakley would have much of a case given the facts. Whether Dolan has been a jerk to Oakley causing the rift between them is irrelevant. Oak shows up to a public place and ends up hitting security and making a scene. He admitting to have had been drinking prior to arriving and Dolan says that he has a problem. IMO far from slanderous response.
I'm not defending Dolan everyone knows he could easily have been the bigger man and taken the high road and not of this happens, but that still doesn't make it slander Although of course that is just my opinion and I don't have an issue if you believe it is. I was just answering someones question.
The place is sold out so JD won't be singing the blues - unless it's in his boy band.
And he didn't say, or even really imply, he's an alcoholic. He said Oakley has a problem. And regardless of any instigation on Dolan's part, Oakley reacted inappropriately last night, which could plausibly be attributed to having had too much to drink beforehand. And it's not unreasonable to conclude that someone who behaves that way after drinking has a problem. There's no defamation case based any implication of alcohol problems.
This isn't accurate. He had to be snuck in when JD was in the house. That's as close to a ban as you can get. That's why JD immediately forced him out and fired his top security guy in the arena. Oak was not expected to be there.
Dolan has been a nationwide punchline (in the sports world) going back years.
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is that the bucktoothed jackass that owns the team was trying to instigate a confrontation, and Oakley gave it to him.
He would have been better off videotaping the idiots who were harrassing him and posting it to social media.
so shoving security guards and resisting when he was asked to leave that is ok?
give me a break, neither guy is right in this situation, they both are wrong..
if it was jerome james, would you have thiz much outrage?
What if he was asked to leave simply because the owner doesn't like any dissenting opinion? Do a little homework on the extent of layoffs at MSG.
Wally is also too much of a homer. It's been a slow evolution, but it's out of control right now. He sometimes loses it to keep some credibility, but the overall effect is that he's way too positive.
Yeah. That was pathetic. Talk about being in someone's back pocket.
Agreed. Pretty much nailed it in my view.
Is there any way this incident can galvanize the fan base to the point where pitchforks and torches come into play? Can't we just treat Dolan like an even shittier Frankenstein here? He's fucking and ducking Oakley here !! It's all just unfuckingbelievable.
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Dolan's basically telling everyone he's a drunk with zero evidence.
Since Oakley has admitted to having been drinking prior to arriving at the Garden I doubt he would have much of a case.
Having a few drinks and being an alcoholic are 2 totally different things.
I agree but the question was about his having a case for slander. Did Dolan use the word alcoholic? My point is that I doubt Oakley would have much of a case given the facts. Whether Dolan has been a jerk to Oakley causing the rift between them is irrelevant. Oak shows up to a public place and ends up hitting security and making a scene. He admitting to have had been drinking prior to arriving and Dolan says that he has a problem. IMO far from slanderous response.
I'm not defending Dolan everyone knows he could easily have been the bigger man and taken the high road and not of this happens, but that still doesn't make it slander Although of course that is just my opinion and I don't have an issue if you believe it is. I was just answering someones question.
Thank you both for your input. I agree on both points.
Having said that, I think we all can agree James Dolan just kicked Daniel Snyder in the nuts, took his lunch, gave him a swirly, and stole his title as the most thin skinned, meddling, egotistical, know nothing owner ever.
The most depressing part? There's nothing fans can do. It's just an added layer to the giant shit sandwich Knick faithful continue to chew on.
James Dolan is a fucking disgrace.
But if people in any appreciable quantity stopped going to games, he'd have to change. The problem is no matter how festering a shitshow he puts out there, people keep going.
And now with having KP and the emergence of Hernangomez people will come to watch them grow, hopefully, into budding stars.