NFT: Was Oakley banned from MSG before or not?

was never previously banned. He wasn't given tickets (like other ex-players) and bitched he had to buy his own but he 100% was allowed to attend games. In fact, he previously noted Dolan would ask to be informed whenever Oakley was in the building aka he was allowed to be there.

He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here.

In comment 13356190 robbieballs2003 said:

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He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here.

Bystander accounts seem to back him up here - why do you think that's not the case?

According to the bystanders, he was just sitting there watching the game when a couple of security guards obstructed his view, which seemed deliberate. When he asked them to move and they ignored him, he got agitated.

If I paid good money to watch a Knicks game and had to deal with that in addition to the shitty product on the court, I'd be pretty pissed too.

He was yelling shit at Dolan sitting right in front of him. He admitted to drinking prior to showing up to the game. I find it hard to believe that Oakley was escorted out just for showing up.

he cursed at one of the security gaurds when he came in asking to see his ticket and trying to show him where to go...

no one is right here, oakley should of never put his hands on the security guards, if he is asked to leave he ahould of left end of story..

now is it right what dolan did? absokutely not but that doesnt give oakley the right to start ouahing people..

if you know your not welcome somewhere why would you even push it?

In comment 13356190 robbieballs2003 said:

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He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here.

False. Already on record that Dolan would have his personal security alert him when Oakley was attending games/would follow him around. Not a single eyewitness account contradicts Oakley's account.

In comment 13356201 nygiants16 said:

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he cursed at one of the security gaurds when he came in asking to see his ticket and trying to show him where to go... no one is right here, oakley should of never put his hands on the security guards, if he is asked to leave he ahould of left end of story.. now is it right what dolan did? absokutely not but that doesnt give oakley the right to start ouahing people.. if you know your not welcome somewhere why would you even push it?

Lol see his ticket? One of the most recognizable players in the league/ex-Knick. It's absurd.

In comment 13356203 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13356190 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here. False. Already on record that Dolan would have his personal security alert him when Oakley was attending games/would follow him around. Not a single eyewitness account contradicts Oakley's account.

Read through the thread.
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is that the bucktoothed jackass that owns the team was trying to instigate a confrontation, and Oakley gave it to him.

He would have been better off videotaping the idiots who were harrassing him and posting it to social media.

I don't recall anything that supports what you're saying - do you have a specific post in mind?

In comment 13356204 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13356201 nygiants16 said: Quote: he cursed at one of the security gaurds when he came in asking to see his ticket and trying to show him where to go... no one is right here, oakley should of never put his hands on the security guards, if he is asked to leave he ahould of left end of story.. now is it right what dolan did? absokutely not but that doesnt give oakley the right to start ouahing people.. if you know your not welcome somewhere why would you even push it? Lol see his ticket? One of the most recognizable players in the league/ex-Knick. It's absurd.

but if you know you are not welcome and told you were not welcome by friends of his still in arganization, why would you push it? you know its going to be a problem why even go?

is it right? no

A security guard asked to see his ticket, which got an angry response. A few minutes later, he got into a yelling match with guards who were standing in front of him, blocking his view of the game. Multiple witnesses expressed the opinion that the security guards handled things poorly, escalating the confrontation rather than trying to calm things down. At that point, the Dolan SWAT team ran in to throw him out of the building.

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is that the bucktoothed jackass that owns the team was trying to instigate a confrontation, and Oakley gave it to him. He would have been better off videotaping the idiots who were harrassing him and posting it to social media.

so shoving security guards and resisting when he was asked to leave that is ok?

give me a break, neither guy is right in this situation, they both are wrong..

if it was jerome james, would you have thiz much outrage?

believes that Oakley was to *blame* for this?

No, he shouldn't have resisted when security told him to leave. But by all accounts, security was the first to instigate physical contact.

Now - if security comes to me in the stands, after I've paid for my tickets and I'm in my rightful seats, and I haven't done anything to warrant being ejected, and tells me to leave, are you telling me I should be OK with them physically removing me from the stadium without me being given the opportunity to ask why?

And that would be me, anonymous NYC fan, not one of the most recognizable players of the past 25 years.

Oakley was yelling at Dolan
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Dolan didn't like it and told his security to escort him out. Oakley pays full price for his tickets unlike most ex Knicks and obviously didn't want to leave. Oak never goes down without a fight and now he's arrested




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Charles Oakley was said to be yelling at James Dolan and was warned to stop, according to a source. He continued and was then asked to leave





RE: Oakley was yelling at Dolan
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In comment 13354837 Tuckrule said:
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Dolan didn't like it and told his security to escort him out. Oakley pays full price for his tickets unlike most ex Knicks and obviously didn't want to leave. Oak never goes down without a fight and now he's arrested



This is what happened. I'm here sitting 12 rows away





Did you catch what he was saying?
Too difficult to hear it all cause fans would t shut up
Tuckrule : 2/8/2017 9:15 pm : link : reply
I did hear "I paid full price for this shit" he did call Dolan a "clown" a few times

That's all I could hear. Once he went to the tunnel I couldn't see or hear anything but I did see phil go down there

taking shots with the Oak.... who were not remotely surprised that he had an incident

In comment 13356210 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13356203 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13356190 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here. False. Already on record that Dolan would have his personal security alert him when Oakley was attending games/would follow him around. Not a single eyewitness account contradicts Oakley's account. Read through the thread. Link - ( New Window )

? Yet to see anything backing up what you are saying. Please point to the specific post. Dolan has a bee up his ass regarding Oakley (treats ex-Knicks like trash in general unless it's Houston/Starks/LJ aka his employees), security guards bother Oakley, he reacts with anger. The security guards have been "all over' him for years now. The NYT has an article from November where Oakley talks about Dolan's personal security being on alert when he's in the building. Unless Oakley is nostradamus why would he make this known in November unless he's clearly been bothered by Dolan for a while now? Dolan harassed Oakley (who admittedly has called him a "bad guy" and even threatened to "put something in his food" if he cooked for him one day) but Oakley's response was not unprovoked at all.

I think I'll trust the people who were at the game and who gave actual names over an anonymous and likely BBI troll.
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And Isola said the same. I know people don't like Isola either so you can discredit both.

However, that doesn't mean Oakley is innocent here. If Dolan had an issue with Oakley and he knew he was in the building then why even let him in?

My point is that it is just a fucked up situation and neither looks good.

A source said that in April 2016, security approached Oakley at MSG and asked to see his ticket � then told him he could not roam around the arena.

A source close to Oakley says that former teammate and Knicks executive Allan Houston often won�t take Oakley�s phone calls.

A former Knick said, �Houston, John Starks and Larry Johnson sold Charles out to Jimmy Dolan because they want to make sure their jobs with the Knicks are secure.�

In comment 13356243 robbieballs2003 said:

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And Isola said the same. I know people don't like Isola either so you can discredit both. However, that doesn't mean Oakley is innocent here. If Dolan had an issue with Oakley and he knew he was in the building then why even let him in? My point is that it is just a fucked up situation and neither looks good.

Well how exactly is he going to ban Oakley from the arena if he buys a ticket. I'm guessing now he'd have some grounds but previously how could he possibly stop Oakley from buying a ticket and attending the game? "I don't like him"?

i think Dolan is a clown but people were not shocked that Oak found trouble.

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A source said that in April 2016, security approached Oakley at MSG and asked to see his ticket � then told him he could not roam around the arena. A source close to Oakley says that former teammate and Knicks executive Allan Houston often won�t take Oakley�s phone calls. A former Knick said, �Houston, John Starks and Larry Johnson sold Charles out to Jimmy Dolan because they want to make sure their jobs with the Knicks are secure.�

Does this prove that Oakley want yelling at Dolan?

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i think Dolan is a clown but people were not shocked that Oak found trouble.

I saw it. Thanks.

I think people are letting their hatred for Dolan overshadow what really happened here. Oakley is having a cult following now because Dolan is a douche. I like Oakley but they both look really bad here.

In comment 13356248 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13356244 DanMetroMan said: Quote: A source said that in April 2016, security approached Oakley at MSG and asked to see his ticket � then told him he could not roam around the arena. A source close to Oakley says that former teammate and Knicks executive Allan Houston often won�t take Oakley�s phone calls. A former Knick said, �Houston, John Starks and Larry Johnson sold Charles out to Jimmy Dolan because they want to make sure their jobs with the Knicks are secure.� Does this prove that Oakley want yelling at Dolan?

It (and previous proof) proves that Dolan has gone out of his way to poke the bear and post-event the Knicks released 2 inflammatory press releases that were beyond unprofessional. In fact, the first implied (or put out the implication) that Oakley has a drinking/drug or mental problems. Classy.

Oakley was wrong for his reaction, but if you're assigning blame here, I don't see how you walk away thinking that there's some even split. By all accounts, the guy was sitting in his seat, watching the game and talking to fans before the security guards started trouble.

And there are measures that Dolan could take to ensure that Oakley doesn't attend Knick games at home. He could easily bar entry at the gate, it's not like Oakley isn't recognizable. It's almost as if they set the fucking guy up for failure, knowing that if they got in his face he'd react.

I'll repost things I posted there from the NYT:

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According to some spectators seated nearby, he had been calm early in the game. He took a photograph with Felice Bergman, a fan with season tickets several rows higher. James L. Dolan, the Knicks� owner, with whom Oakley has a contentious relationship, sat nearby, but several spectators said they did not see Oakley exchange any words with Dolan or try to provoke him...... A guard soon came over to Oakley and asked him to leave. Oakley asked why. �He just couldn�t understand why,� said Matthew Barbara, who sat a few rows up from Oakley. �We didn�t see him throw a punch or do anything. He wasn�t nasty to any of the people behind him. We�re trying to figure out what happened.�....... The Knicks, in a statement, said Oakley had behaved in a �highly inappropriate and completely abusive manner.� But fans sitting nearby said they did not feel that was the case. �Nothing he did rose to the level of what happened,� Jamie Vitiello said. �They overacted.�

And then this from, ahem, Bleacher Report:

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Jamie Vitiello, a fan seated in the area, said Oakley was "mildly boisterous to one security guard, but nothing that seemed like he should be kicked out." Multiple other witnesses backed that account. One person thought Oakley might have initially been irked when, upon entering his section, a security guard asked to see his ticket. Matthew Barbara, another fan sitting in the area, said Oakley cursed at the section's guard. "But I didn't hear him say anything to Dolan," he said. That guard, according to Vitiello, left his post soon after. Another one approached Oakley and told him to stop cursing at the security guards, and that, according to the witnesses, is when things erupted. "[MSG security] handled it poorly," Jill Guadagno, who was seated two rows behind Oakley and next to Barbara, said. "They never said to him 'calm down.' The only interaction was them saying, 'You need to leave.'"

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believes that Oakley was to *blame* for this? No, he shouldn't have resisted when security told him to leave. But by all accounts, security was the first to instigate physical contact. Now - if security comes to me in the stands, after I've paid for my tickets and I'm in my rightful seats, and I haven't done anything to warrant being ejected, and tells me to leave, are you telling me I should be OK with them physically removing me from the stadium without me being given the opportunity to ask why? And that would be me, anonymous NYC fan, not one of the most recognizable players of the past 25 years.

but if you know you are not welcome why even push it?


and like said nobody is right in this situation..

In comment 13356259 DanMetroMan said:

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It (and previous proof) proves that Dolan has gone out of his way to poke the bear and post-event the Knicks released 2 inflammatory press releases that were beyond unprofessional. In fact, the first implied (or put out the implication) that Oakley has a drinking/drug or mental problems. Classy.

That is, by far, the worst thing anyone has done in this whole thing. Obviously Dolan instigated things, and clearly Oakley reacted terribly and turned it into such an ugly situation. But for the Knicks to go after him in public statements like that is pretty disgusting.

Charles Oakley and neutral third-party spectators, or Dolan and the Knicks propaganda machine? Tough call there!

Because he actually is still a Knicks diehard who cares about the team, unlike the shitweasel who owns the franchise, and wants to see them play.

The whole situation is fucked.

jcn, obviously if Oakley did nothing wrong up to the point that the security guards approached him then I totally agree with you. We all know Dolan is a cunt. The fact that he fired an employee because she did her job was beyond comprehension and shows his imposed self importance. So, like I said, I still like Oakley. I am just jot sure he is 100% innocent. This doesn't mean that what Dolan did was okay. This doesn't mean I split the blame 50/50 between then. I am just cautious on this whole cult situation revolving around Oakley right now. If he was 100% innocent then I will get a Free Oakley shirt. Lol

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Because he actually is still a Knicks diehard who cares about the team, unlike the shitweasel who owns the franchise, and wants to see them play.

Ok if you know you are not welcome somehwere you still going to go to that place? say it is your favorite restaraunt and they ban you or you know you are not welcome, you still going to go?

and again i am not saying it is right he is banned..

In comment 13356264 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13356225 jcn56 said: Quote: believes that Oakley was to *blame* for this? No, he shouldn't have resisted when security told him to leave. But by all accounts, security was the first to instigate physical contact. Now - if security comes to me in the stands, after I've paid for my tickets and I'm in my rightful seats, and I haven't done anything to warrant being ejected, and tells me to leave, are you telling me I should be OK with them physically removing me from the stadium without me being given the opportunity to ask why? And that would be me, anonymous NYC fan, not one of the most recognizable players of the past 25 years. but if you know you are not welcome why even push it? and like said nobody is right in this situation..

Not welcome by whom?

Not welcome by the owner? He's not sitting with him.

Not welcome by the organization?

Not welcome by the fans or the crowd? That's not the case.

Banned would be one thing. If you do something stupid like shoplift in a store, you could be banned. Can't go back or risk threat of arrest. If they had banned him entirely, then Oakley had no business going there.

If he wasn't banned, why is he at fault for buying a ticket to watch a game? Because the owner doesn't like him? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Would you never attend another Giants game if John Mara didn't like you?

But it's really disappointing that LJ and Starks are Dolan lackeys.

I never trust a person over 10 years old who plays a fuckin kazoo.

Oakley stuff reminded me of the story that Jordan/Pippen were scared of Xavier McDaniel. Always made me like XMan more. When I went to Ewing's # retirement ceremony McDaniel got a pretty massive response (considering how briefly he was a Knick). Oakley got a big one as well (obviously).

In comment 13356287 Greg from LI said:

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But it's really disappointing that LJ and Starks are Dolan lackeys.

i think this is the worst part in all of this, none of his former teammates have his back, they all got cushy jobs with the knicks, sot courtside and none try to get oakley back in

had a pretty good fight when X was with the Sonics. Ended up exchanging some punches and spilling into the crowd. X threw the first shot and Oak dodged it like a champ.

In comment 13356283 jcn56 said:

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In comment 13356264 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13356225 jcn56 said: Quote: believes that Oakley was to *blame* for this? No, he shouldn't have resisted when security told him to leave. But by all accounts, security was the first to instigate physical contact. Now - if security comes to me in the stands, after I've paid for my tickets and I'm in my rightful seats, and I haven't done anything to warrant being ejected, and tells me to leave, are you telling me I should be OK with them physically removing me from the stadium without me being given the opportunity to ask why? And that would be me, anonymous NYC fan, not one of the most recognizable players of the past 25 years. but if you know you are not welcome why even push it? and like said nobody is right in this situation.. Not welcome by whom? Not welcome by the owner? He's not sitting with him. Not welcome by the organization? Not welcome by the fans or the crowd? That's not the case. Banned would be one thing. If you do something stupid like shoplift in a store, you could be banned. Can't go back or risk threat of arrest. If they had banned him entirely, then Oakley had no business going there. If he wasn't banned, why is he at fault for buying a ticket to watch a game? Because the owner doesn't like him? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Would you never attend another Giants game if John Mara didn't like you?

he said himself he knew he was not welcome but wanted to go anyway, he knew security always is watching him..

and again if this jerome james, you still angry?

Seriously? lmao wtf

street - at what point does the owner have a right to send his goons to instigate a fight with a fan in the stands who isn't bothering anyone and is sitting in a seat he paid for?

In comment 13356297 B in ALB said:

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had a pretty good fight when X was with the Sonics. Ended up exchanging some punches and spilling into the crowd. X threw the first shot and Oak dodged it like a champ.

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Seriously? lmao wtf

my point is really simple..

are you mad because it is oakle or you mad because of what dolan did?

In comment 13356301 jcn56 said:

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street - at what point does the owner have a right to send his goons to instigate a fight with a fan in the stands who isn't bothering anyone and is sitting in a seat he paid for?

i have already said dolan is very wrong in this as well but oakley knew it was going to happen..

when security came he could of just got up and said ok can we talk in the tunnel so there is no scene, instead he stodd up and started screamong and started shoving guys..

neither party is roght in this, dolan is wrong for being a petty bitch and oakley is wrong for escalating it with physical force...

JoeMP swore that David Falk steered the X Man to the Celtics after the 1992 season for exactly that reason - Jordan, Falk's meal ticket, was afraid of him and that the Knicks had a much better shot at knocking off the Bulls with X than without him.

In the Bulls' six championship runs, a team took them to seven games only twice. One of those two was the 1992 Knicks with X.

In comment 13356319 Greg from LI said:

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JoeMP swore that David Falk steered the X Man to the Celtics after the 1992 season for exactly that reason - Jordan, Falk's meal ticket, was afraid of him and that the Knicks had a much better shot at knocking off the Bulls with X than without him.

I think that's been a rumor for a while now. I guess because Oakley was friends with Jordan he wasn't "scared" of him. X had crazy eyes but didn't strike me as "scary" but I guess he was lol

And guys in the league thought he was legitimately crazy, like Ron Artest crazy. He scared a lot of opponents.

I've had season tickets since 1986 (I missed this game, darn it) and I get asked to see my ticket almost every time I go to my seat. So asking Oakley to see his ticket is not surprising.

Also, I agree with those saying both parties were in the wrong, and I also can't believe that Oakley was quietly watching the game and then was tossed by security.

I've met Oak a couple of times -- even in quiet moments he is a pretty belligerent personality.

Finally, even if Oakley was just sitting quietly reading a book -- one cannot push, shove, or take aggressive physical action to security at an event (and with police present) and be totally in the right. Just like if someone calls you a name, you can't punch him. Its at least a misdemeanor.

that Pippen was the one scared shitless of XMan, and Jordan knew it, so he ordered Falk to steer him away from the Knicks.

looking for trouble. I don't think it's a coincidence his seats were only a couple of rows behind where Dolan always sits. He probably said a few things to Dolan (who is notoriously thin skinned) and Dolan quickly got security over there. I have no idea why there's a rift between him and the org. Both the Knicks and Rangers generally seem to do a good job when it comes to honoring alumni. But you're dealing with a petulant moron in Dolan and someone in Oak who isn't exactly the most congenial guy in the world.

getting in Pippen's and Jordan's face
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LOL

more security firings are expected.

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Yeeeeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there SAS, mmm-kay?

Respect. He has done more more positive things for the knicks team than James Dolan.

All Dolan has done is wreck in billion$ and wreck the team. The knicks have been a joke since Dolan acquired it. The fish started rotting from the head.

I am sick and tired of being sick and tired already!!!😯😔

Blasting Oakley including one where you insinuate he has either a substance abuse or mental problem, Dolan is going to turn around and wipe out members of the security staff. Why? If they did nothing wrong as these propaganda hit piece statements suggest, than why the need to fire people?

Dolan is a disgrace to everything. Sports, business, himself.

Dolan is such a prick to scapegoat this guy and his other security personnel.
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Makes it look as if they did this on their own and takes his own involvement out.

No one ever said Dolan was stupid. He was born on third base and no one else can get on base! A true example of why rich people are the worst.

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Makes it look as if they did this on their own and takes his own involvement out. No one ever said Dolan was stupid. He was born on third base and no one else can get on base! A true example of why rich people are the worst.

Dolan is stupid.

Glad to be a trailblazer.

the "Landed on third and thinks he hit a triple" mantra.

Sounds like another idiot we all know.

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Wow the snake is going to face the music? I don't believe it

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In comment 13356301 jcn56 said: Quote: street - at what point does the owner have a right to send his goons to instigate a fight with a fan in the stands who isn't bothering anyone and is sitting in a seat he paid for? i have already said dolan is very wrong in this as well but oakley knew it was going to happen.. when security came he could of just got up and said ok can we talk in the tunnel so there is no scene, instead he stodd up and started screamong and started shoving guys.. neither party is roght in this, dolan is wrong for being a petty bitch and oakley is wrong for escalating it with physical force...

Oakley knew it was going to happen? Oakley escalated the events with physical force?

Now, you've misrepresented virtually everything about the event. At this point I have to ask: do you figure it was actually Oakley in the stands? Or was it Charles Barkley?

Pandering to all sides doesn't make you more right.

He has been demanding Dolan come on to give a statement on Phil Jackson and now with this Oakley incident he kinda forced his hand yesterday. Oakley is still in NY, he should get him on at the same time. Get Phil and Melo on too.

I got an alert from the CBS Sports app - Derrick Williams chooses to sign with the Cavs over the Knicks. You don't say! I'm stunned!

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In comment 13356306 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13356301 jcn56 said: Quote: street - at what point does the owner have a right to send his goons to instigate a fight with a fan in the stands who isn't bothering anyone and is sitting in a seat he paid for? i have already said dolan is very wrong in this as well but oakley knew it was going to happen.. when security came he could of just got up and said ok can we talk in the tunnel so there is no scene, instead he stodd up and started screamong and started shoving guys.. neither party is roght in this, dolan is wrong for being a petty bitch and oakley is wrong for escalating it with physical force... Oakley knew it was going to happen? Oakley escalated the events with physical force? Now, you've misrepresented virtually everything about the event. At this point I have to ask: do you figure it was actually Oakley in the stands? Or was it Charles Barkley? Pandering to all sides doesn't make you more right.

oakley himself said that he knew that security watches him when he comes and he was told that dolan has to be notified when he is there...

he also has been stopped at the door and not let in..

and he did escalate it with physical force, if he didnt start shoving guys would there have been an issue? he would of been taken to the back and talked to security..would he have been arrested? no..

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In comment 13356691 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. Wow the snake is going to face the music? I don't believe it

Dont know Kay's schtick, but I hope there are zero questions about Oakley. Use them all to ask about the direction of the franchise, whether Dolan will authorize a rebuild, whether Phil is leaving, whether he has talked to Phil about douchebaggery etc. Not expecting it.

Interesting the Dolan is really feeling the heat on this. What, is he coming on to defend his sterling reputation and standing among Knicks fans?

celebrity boxing for charity. McEnroe is the ref.

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In comment 13356693 LCtheINTMachine said: Quote: In comment 13356691 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. Wow the snake is going to face the music? I don't believe it Dont know Kay's schtick, but I hope there are zero questions about Oakley. Use them all to ask about the direction of the franchise, whether Dolan will authorize a rebuild, whether Phil is leaving, whether he has talked to Phil about douchebaggery etc. Not expecting it. Interesting the Dolan is really feeling the heat on this. What, is he coming on to defend his sterling reputation and standing among Knicks fans?

what he should do before any questions say, i am calling oakley to come in and have a sit down with me and see if we can repair the damage and hope to see if we can get the knicks and oakley back together...

as for the direction of the franchise he is just going to say it is up to phil, he leaves basketball decisions up to phil...

unless he is firing him

Usually Francesa is where Jimmy goes for a soft landing. Should be an interesting convo. I just hope they don't let Rosenberg ask any questions - leave this one to that actual sports guys.

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more security firings are expected.

Good. These assholes act like Dolan's lackey dogs and then when shit hits the fan, he scapegoats them.

Why not be a man? When you see Oakley is doing nothing that warrants ejection, stand up and tell the boss you are just following policy. If he cans you, then you have your self-respect, the respect of others and a good lawsuit. By being a sniveling lackey, you get what you deserve.

to perform a new single from JD and the Straight Shot.

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Usually Francesa is where Jimmy goes for a soft landing. Should be an interesting convo. I just hope they don't let Rosenberg ask any questions - leave this one to that actual sports guys.

Mike is already trying to soften the blow for not getting the exclusive, said Dolan only does interviews face to face, won't do phone calls, and Mike is doing a remote from Mohegan Sun so Jim wouldn't call in to the show and is doing the ESPN in studio.

that Francesa is on location. Funny that he actually brought it up on the air. He should try to land Phil by phone.

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He likes to put on the charm offensive.

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Usually Francesa is where Jimmy goes for a soft landing. Should be an interesting convo. I just hope they don't let Rosenberg ask any questions - leave this one to that actual sports guys.

rosenberg is annoying, i dont know why they even have him on the show

Three's a crowd anyway. ESPN always overdoes it - even putting Canty on full-time with Hahn and Humpty is a little too much.

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Three's a crowd anyway. ESPN always overdoes it - even putting Canty on full-time with Hahn and Humpty is a little too much.

at least canty knows sports..

Rosenburg turns every sports conversation into something about movies or something he knows about,and the conversation gets derailed...

and it is crap that lagreca is not on the show title and you can tell he is really bitter about it

from MSG forever.

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from MSG forever.

You almost have to do that or else you're sending the wrong message to drunk guys everywhere.

Can we ban Houston and Mills while we're at it?

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I think it has more to do with the fact that Oakley went on SAS and Fox5. SAS said he was informed by Oak and others that Dolan/MSG did not want him to take this public.

no matter what he says he will be ridiculed, he will either be called a liar or a piece of shit for ehat he says

revolt - tickets and merchandise being burned outside the Garden, thousands of empty seats at home games, the works. I've been dreaming of such a thing for so long.

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say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think.

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say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think.

He'll care if the place starts emptying out.

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In comment 13356819 Sean said: Quote: say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think. He'll care if the place starts emptying out.

Which will never happen.

already have, so never say never!

this is WWE style.. Windhorst is implying that Oakley may be in the first row 2/23 Knicks/Cavs next to the Knicks bench lol

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already have, so never say never!

Won't happen. Place will always fill up. I think the only thing that can fix this is the NBA stepping in. A total mess.

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this is WWE style.. Windhorst is implying that Oakley may be in the first row 2/23 Knicks/Cavs next to the Knicks bench lol

Hell fuck yes, to quote my old SDI. Let it be so.

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say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think.

If he didn't care he wouldn't be on the fuckin Kay show right now explaining himself.

as part of his contract Lebron owns the tickets next to the visitors bench. So... if this were a movie... trot out ghosts of Dolan's past...Ewing, Oakley, Marv Albert, JVG lol

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Says it's not necessarily a life time ban

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as part of his contract Lebron owns the tickets next to the visitors bench. So... if this were a movie... trot out ghosts of Dolan's past...Ewing, Oakley, Marv Albert, JVG lol

Marcus Camby!

Fans in attendance better rise to the occasion, and I acknowledge that a lot of this falls on Oakley. But still, fuck James Dolan and this shitty franchise.

how, as an organization, do you not embrace Charles Oakley?

You have a pair of titles in the 70's and the 90's teams to fall back on. Granted the latter did not produce a title, but they came damn close and provided an entire generation of Knicks fans with positive memories.

If Ewing was the best player of that era, Oakley was the toughest and may very well be the most beloved. I hope this blows up in Dolan's face and I hope Knicks fans are loud in support of Oakley tonight.

What a total joke this franchise has become.

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how, as an organization, do you not embrace Charles Oakley?

By having an immature a-hole as the head of the organization, that's how.

and that's why Oak had to go.

Just wow

WTF

The moment he walked through the doors Oakley was acting out.

Dolan said that is on us. Kayyy asked if the Security Chief firing played a part. Dolan said it was the last straw. They had issues before and it was time for him to go.

What could possibly go wrong?

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In comment 13356819 Sean said: Quote: say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think. If he didn't care he wouldn't be on the fuckin Kay show right now explaining himself.

From a fan perspective.

Meanwhile Knick fans are planning...

Don brings up John Mara and Dolan brushes it off saying only in their championship years.


What a twisted individual.

Malcontents? Because we don't like you? What a dick.

forget, this isn't Jimmy's first "alcoholic" accusation rodeo

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absolute worst.

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Right?

Buffoon.

but he made an agreement.

What a sad, sad piece of shit he is

question about whether or not Dolan considered Phil's lack of front office experience when they hired him. Dolan basically admitted he didn't.

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question about whether or not Dolan considered Phil's lack of front office experience when they hired him. Dolan basically admitted he didn't.

He basically said he gave the fans/media what they wanted so don't come crying to him now. Just incredible stuff. He laid everything on Phil and the fans.

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and that's why Oak had to go.

Have they stopped selling beer at the Garden? The World's Most Boring, Dry Arena?

Sorry Melo - might want to waive that clause.

story makes absolutely zero sense.

- Claims Oakley showed up with an agenda (all but said he was drunk with a drinking problem)

- Security should have stopped him before he got to his seats

-noted that Oakley is extremely famous so security is going to notice him

YET they go to Oakley and ask to see his tickets?

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In comment 13356895 Enzo said: Quote: question about whether or not Dolan considered Phil's lack of front office experience when they hired him. Dolan basically admitted he didn't. He basically said he gave the fans/media what they wanted so don't come crying to him now. Just incredible stuff. He laid everything on Phil and the fans.

I think it is entirely possible that he thinks this is true. That his interactions are limited to those fans who deride rebuilds and just "want to watch a good game". I suspect that these are the people with seats near him.

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He's full of shit. I used to be a season ticket holder and have heard sort of vulgar expressions. But I guess I was never near Dolan so I'm not sure if it cursing and drinking too much is not allowed.

accuses Oakley of "sexual overtones" in terms of abuse.. WTF does that mean! lol

is his answer to people who think he gutted a beloved franchise. The guy is a bottom of the barrel piece of shit.

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accuses Oakley of "sexual overtones" in terms of abuse.. WTF does that mean! lol

He fucked his wife?

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accuses Oakley of "sexual overtones" in terms of abuse.. WTF does that mean! lol

I was shocked. What a strange interview. Dolan is weird.

removed himself entirely from the sports picture other than cashing the checks. Then hired Glen Sather to run the entire MSG sports complex and put the Knicks under his umbrella as well.

I'm of course joking but I actually doubt the Knicks would do much worse. That's how bad the Knicks are at this point.

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removed himself entirely from the sports picture other than cashing the checks. Then hired Glen Sather to run the entire MSG sports complex and put the Knicks under his umbrella as well. I'm of course joking but I actually doubt the Knicks would do much worse. That's how bad the Knicks are at this point.

You're not far off. That scenario is exactly what happened with Checketts. Sather wouldn't be a bad choice but he is too camera shy for the job.

he just made things worse for himself and the Knicks. He further embarrassed himself and the organization. That was bizarre.

- Dolan thinks Oak is a drunk and abusive to people even sexually
- Ask Phil about the state of the Knicks. It's his and the fans fault that the team stinks.
- Doesn't think the Knicks are good.

if just deserts for Jackson for how he has chosen to publicly embarrass those under him.

Pretty sure half the arena was cursing, and half of those were drunk.

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Pretty sure half the arena was cursing, and half of those were drunk.

Went I sat in the 400 sections, those were very rowdy. I remember one Wall Street guy would come in smelling of booze and cursing at the opposing team even before the anthem.

When I went down to the 300 section it was less rowdy but there was plenty of cursing. Even fathers with their kids and wives there.

The only guy I remember getting escorted out of MSG was a guy who was blackout and pissed on himself. And that time a fight broke out. But they were back for the next game.

madison square garden for knicks used to be awesome to go to, so much fun and loud..

now it is loud for the wrong reasons..

it is just going to get worse to because no one is going to have patience for the draft picks coming in to pan out

madison square garden for knicks used to be awesome to go to, so much fun and loud..

now it is loud for the wrong reasons..

it is just going to get worse to because no one is going to have patience for the draft picks coming in to pan out

i see it happening with me with kp, i wamt to see knicks be a good team so bad but fans like me need to have patience because this can be rebuilt the right way

because he's the only guy that can calm him down. Just heard this on Russo's show.

I've been to sporting events of every team in the area (except the Devils) and there is drinking, cursing etc. The Subway Series used to be absolutely nuts, full brawls, old man thrown down the stairs during a fight. I'm not saying it's great to see but c'mon lol Who hasn't seen drunk people or cursing at a game?

I didn't think it could get any worse for the Knicks or how I viewed Dolan. But that interview made in much worse. His laughing and contempt for the fans? To not only accuse Oakley of being an alcholic but to also say he was making racist and sexist comments at the game? What the hell could Oakley have done from the minute he walked in the building?

I can't stand Dolan. What a prick.

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i see it happening with me with kp, i wamt to see knicks be a good team so bad but fans like me need to have patience because this can be rebuilt the right way

In fairness, fans on a message board generally are going to be hypercritical "crazy" fans. I suspect most Knicks fans are less critical than those on BBI etc. + I think it's fair to critique ANY player within the context of remembering age, development etc. I think 99% of the criticism for KP on BBI has been more than fair (defensive lapses in particular).

Jimmy: Ask Phil. You bastards wanted me out of it. So out of spite I'm going to stay out of it. I know the team sucks.
Fans: I hate you!
Jimmy: Fuck you too. Oh by the way. Phil gave Melo that NTC when he chose to re-signed him. Take that! And your guy Oak is a drunk. I know about drunks and he's one!

Dolan sounds like he should seek some professional help.

To think - that guy grew up surrounded by enough money to get the best schooling on the planet, and he sounds like he just rolled out of bed in a trailer park with a can of Bud stuck to his forehead.

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Dolan sounds like he should seek some professional help. To think - that guy grew up surrounded by enough money to get the best schooling on the planet, and he sounds like he just rolled out of bed in a trailer park with a can of Bud stuck to his forehead.

The man attacked his own father over control of MSG when his father knew he was screwing up. I'm not surprised by anything Jim Dolan does after that.

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In comment 13356963 jcn56 said: Quote: Dolan sounds like he should seek some professional help. To think - that guy grew up surrounded by enough money to get the best schooling on the planet, and he sounds like he just rolled out of bed in a trailer park with a can of Bud stuck to his forehead. The man attacked his own father over control of MSG when his father knew he was screwing up. I'm not surprised by anything Jim Dolan does after that.

The Anucha Brown Sanders case says everything there needs to be said about Dolan. He's a lowlife scumbag. Polar opposite of John Mara.

What a read (old piece on Dolan) by @joelmsiegel h#Knicks
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an example of how Alan is a legit super fan (read the linked lol)
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Amazing how many MSG people had no idea who Oakley is - and I believe them since they're not fans and he hasn't been around.
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revolt - tickets and merchandise being burned outside the Garden, thousands of empty seats at home games, the works. I've been dreaming of such a thing for so long.

Word. Time for Knicks fans to do what our predecessors (Giants fans in the 60s and 70s) did.

He'd have an even worse public image if he did.

Dolans ineptitude, ego and overall lack of any ability to run a halfway decent franchise was always our little secret. Now everyone can see it. Who knows, maybe this will lead to a change.

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accuses Oakley of "sexual overtones" in terms of abuse.. WTF does that mean! lol

Dolan must be referring to the MSG security report where reportedly Oakley said "All of you suck Dolan's d**k."

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Dolans ineptitude, ego and overall lack of any ability to run a halfway decent franchise was always our little secret. Now everyone can see it. Who knows, maybe this will lead to a change.

Was it though? Pretty sure that although this is a new low, he's a known entity by now.

has been known. People view him as a joke, but we know him as a guy who'd fail as a cashier at Walmart.

And stupid on top of everything else. What a combo.

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Dolans ineptitude, ego and overall lack of any ability to run a halfway decent franchise was always our little secret. Now everyone can see it. Who knows, maybe this will lead to a change.

I'd say the Rangers are better than "halfway decent". And we can't even say he's meddling in the day to day decisions of the Knicks anymore. Being successful in the NBA is almost as much about being lucky as it is being good. Unless you can convince me the Knicks aren't going to win the draft lottery because of Dolan, I don't think a change at the top is going to mean all that much.

Dolan's basically telling everyone he's a drunk with zero evidence.

Money can get you the top guys, but an organization like that is made up of hundreds of people and the culture that's drilled into them. If the guy at the top is a jackass with deep pockets that lets his cronies run amok, doesn't instill any sense of responsibility or accountability, then you can assure yourself that in just about every non-visible level of the organization you've got a lower caliber person than you'd find somewhere else. The results sure seem to point towards that.

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Dolan's basically telling everyone he's a drunk with zero evidence.

Since Oakley has admitted to having been drinking prior to arriving at the Garden I doubt he would have much of a case.

Every 2-3 years, this board and many others erupt from Knick fans wildly agree at something the franchise did -- hire Scott Layden; let him stick around; allow Isiah to run the franchise into the ground singing FA to bad contacts and throwing around unprotected firsts; not resigning JLin. And now the Oakley mess.

And yet, every game is basically sold out. And I count myself in this mess as I am a season ticket holder.

Nothing will change all until fans stop buying tickets and stop watching MSG Network.

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Every 2-3 years, this board and many others erupt from Knick fans wildly agree at something the franchise did -- hire Scott Layden; let him stick around; allow Isiah to run the franchise into the ground singing FA to bad contacts and throwing around unprotected firsts; not resigning JLin. And now the Oakley mess. And yet, every game is basically sold out. And I count myself in this mess as I am a season ticket holder. Nothing will change all until fans stop buying tickets and stop watching MSG Network.

not resigning jeremy.lin should not be a black eye on the franchise

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Every 2-3 years, this board and many others erupt from Knick fans wildly agree at something the franchise did -- hire Scott Layden; let him stick around; allow Isiah to run the franchise into the ground singing FA to bad contacts and throwing around unprotected firsts; not resigning JLin. And now the Oakley mess. And yet, every game is basically sold out. And I count myself in this mess as I am a season ticket holder. Nothing will change all until fans stop buying tickets and stop watching MSG Network.

The real kick in the rear for fans is that this time by all accounts he hired a basketball man, paid him well and left him alone. Just our luck Phil seems to be in over his head at this point. Had he done well things would be remarkably different.

I agree. But there was a ton of outcry on this very board when Lin was not resigned. And anyway, it was my point that MSG (Dolan) actions lead to the kind of upset we have seen on this board and others over the past couple of days, but no actions are ever taken by paying customers, and MSG viewers.

And I put myself in that category. So I'm to blame too.

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In comment 13357031 Kulish29 said: Quote: Dolan's basically telling everyone he's a drunk with zero evidence. Since Oakley has admitted to having been drinking prior to arriving at the Garden I doubt he would have much of a case.

Having a few drinks and being an alcoholic are 2 totally different things.

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In comment 13357034 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 13357031 Kulish29 said: Quote: Dolan's basically telling everyone he's a drunk with zero evidence. Since Oakley has admitted to having been drinking prior to arriving at the Garden I doubt he would have much of a case. Having a few drinks and being an alcoholic are 2 totally different things.

I agree but the question was about his having a case for slander. Did Dolan use the word alcoholic? My point is that I doubt Oakley would have much of a case given the facts. Whether Dolan has been a jerk to Oakley causing the rift between them is irrelevant. Oak shows up to a public place and ends up hitting security and making a scene. He admitting to have had been drinking prior to arriving and Dolan says that he has a problem. IMO far from slanderous response.

I'm not defending Dolan everyone knows he could easily have been the bigger man and taken the high road and not of this happens, but that still doesn't make it slander Although of course that is just my opinion and I don't have an issue if you believe it is. I was just answering someones question.

are a bunch of pansies eager to bolster their brand rather than help the direction of this sorry franchise.

The place is sold out so JD won't be singing the blues - unless it's in his boy band.

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Having a few drinks and being an alcoholic are 2 totally different things.

And he didn't say, or even really imply, he's an alcoholic. He said Oakley has a problem. And regardless of any instigation on Dolan's part, Oakley reacted inappropriately last night, which could plausibly be attributed to having had too much to drink beforehand. And it's not unreasonable to conclude that someone who behaves that way after drinking has a problem. There's no defamation case based any implication of alcohol problems.

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was never previously banned. He wasn't given tickets (like other ex-players) and bitched he had to buy his own but he 100% was allowed to attend games. In fact, he previously noted Dolan would ask to be informed whenever Oakley was in the building aka he was allowed to be there.

This isn't accurate. He had to be snuck in when JD was in the house. That's as close to a ban as you can get. That's why JD immediately forced him out and fired his top security guy in the arena. Oak was not expected to be there.

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Dolans ineptitude, ego and overall lack of any ability to run a halfway decent franchise was always our little secret. Now everyone can see it. Who knows, maybe this will lead to a change.

Dolan has been a nationwide punchline (in the sports world) going back years.

Any chants so far?

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What if he was asked to leave simply because the owner doesn't like any dissenting opinion? Do a little homework on the extent of layoffs at MSG.

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Wally is also too much of a homer. It's been a slow evolution, but it's out of control right now. He sometimes loses it to keep some credibility, but the overall effect is that he's way too positive.

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Yeah. That was pathetic. Talk about being in someone's back pocket.

Much better brand of basketball. Here come the Oak chants!

money from tonight's gate and concession receipts.

Dolan doesn't give a shit if you hate him. And as we learned in his interview today he doesn't give a shit about any of us either. Even if every person on earth called him a clown he would not care. He would only care if he lost money and people stopped showing up. That will never happen which means it's hard to ever see anything change as long as he is the owner.

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looking for trouble. I don't think it's a coincidence his seats were only a couple of rows behind where Dolan always sits. He probably said a few things to Dolan (who is notoriously thin skinned) and Dolan quickly got security over there. I have no idea why there's a rift between him and the org. Both the Knicks and Rangers generally seem to do a good job when it comes to honoring alumni. But you're dealing with a petulant moron in Dolan and someone in Oak who isn't exactly the most congenial guy in the world.

Agreed. Pretty much nailed it in my view.

Is there any way this incident can galvanize the fan base to the point where pitchforks and torches come into play? Can't we just treat Dolan like an even shittier Frankenstein here? He's fucking and ducking Oakley here !! It's all just unfuckingbelievable.

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In comment 13357051 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 13357034 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 13357031 Kulish29 said: Quote: Dolan's basically telling everyone he's a drunk with zero evidence. Since Oakley has admitted to having been drinking prior to arriving at the Garden I doubt he would have much of a case. Having a few drinks and being an alcoholic are 2 totally different things. I agree but the question was about his having a case for slander. Did Dolan use the word alcoholic? My point is that I doubt Oakley would have much of a case given the facts. Whether Dolan has been a jerk to Oakley causing the rift between them is irrelevant. Oak shows up to a public place and ends up hitting security and making a scene. He admitting to have had been drinking prior to arriving and Dolan says that he has a problem. IMO far from slanderous response. I'm not defending Dolan everyone knows he could easily have been the bigger man and taken the high road and not of this happens, but that still doesn't make it slander Although of course that is just my opinion and I don't have an issue if you believe it is. I was just answering someones question.

Thank you both for your input. I agree on both points.

Having said that, I think we all can agree James Dolan just kicked Daniel Snyder in the nuts, took his lunch, gave him a swirly, and stole his title as the most thin skinned, meddling, egotistical, know nothing owner ever.

The most depressing part? There's nothing fans can do. It's just an added layer to the giant shit sandwich Knick faithful continue to chew on.

James Dolan is a fucking disgrace.

Stop buying merchandise. Stop watching? Well, unless you're somehow paying ala carte for MSG, you're probably not going to do that and make a difference to his bottom line.

But if people in any appreciable quantity stopped going to games, he'd have to change. The problem is no matter how festering a shitshow he puts out there, people keep going.

Ticket holders and socialites will always fill the stands. Many with pre and post game rituals they've grown accustomed too for decades.

And now with having KP and the emergence of Hernangomez people will come to watch them grow, hopefully, into budding stars.