NFT: Was Oakley banned from MSG before or not?

was never previously banned. He wasn't given tickets (like other ex-players) and bitched he had to buy his own but he 100% was allowed to attend games. In fact, he previously noted Dolan would ask to be informed whenever Oakley was in the building aka he was allowed to be there.

He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here.

In comment 13356190 robbieballs2003 said:

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He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here.

Bystander accounts seem to back him up here - why do you think that's not the case?

According to the bystanders, he was just sitting there watching the game when a couple of security guards obstructed his view, which seemed deliberate. When he asked them to move and they ignored him, he got agitated.

If I paid good money to watch a Knicks game and had to deal with that in addition to the shitty product on the court, I'd be pretty pissed too.

He was yelling shit at Dolan sitting right in front of him. He admitted to drinking prior to showing up to the game. I find it hard to believe that Oakley was escorted out just for showing up.

he cursed at one of the security gaurds when he came in asking to see his ticket and trying to show him where to go...

no one is right here, oakley should of never put his hands on the security guards, if he is asked to leave he ahould of left end of story..

now is it right what dolan did? absokutely not but that doesnt give oakley the right to start ouahing people..

if you know your not welcome somewhere why would you even push it?

In comment 13356190 robbieballs2003 said:

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He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here.

False. Already on record that Dolan would have his personal security alert him when Oakley was attending games/would follow him around. Not a single eyewitness account contradicts Oakley's account.

In comment 13356201 nygiants16 said:

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he cursed at one of the security gaurds when he came in asking to see his ticket and trying to show him where to go... no one is right here, oakley should of never put his hands on the security guards, if he is asked to leave he ahould of left end of story.. now is it right what dolan did? absokutely not but that doesnt give oakley the right to start ouahing people.. if you know your not welcome somewhere why would you even push it?

Lol see his ticket? One of the most recognizable players in the league/ex-Knick. It's absurd.

In comment 13356203 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13356190 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here. False. Already on record that Dolan would have his personal security alert him when Oakley was attending games/would follow him around. Not a single eyewitness account contradicts Oakley's account.

Read through the thread.
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is that the bucktoothed jackass that owns the team was trying to instigate a confrontation, and Oakley gave it to him.

He would have been better off videotaping the idiots who were harrassing him and posting it to social media.

I don't recall anything that supports what you're saying - do you have a specific post in mind?

In comment 13356204 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13356201 nygiants16 said: Quote: he cursed at one of the security gaurds when he came in asking to see his ticket and trying to show him where to go... no one is right here, oakley should of never put his hands on the security guards, if he is asked to leave he ahould of left end of story.. now is it right what dolan did? absokutely not but that doesnt give oakley the right to start ouahing people.. if you know your not welcome somewhere why would you even push it? Lol see his ticket? One of the most recognizable players in the league/ex-Knick. It's absurd.

but if you know you are not welcome and told you were not welcome by friends of his still in arganization, why would you push it? you know its going to be a problem why even go?

is it right? no

A security guard asked to see his ticket, which got an angry response. A few minutes later, he got into a yelling match with guards who were standing in front of him, blocking his view of the game. Multiple witnesses expressed the opinion that the security guards handled things poorly, escalating the confrontation rather than trying to calm things down. At that point, the Dolan SWAT team ran in to throw him out of the building.

In comment 13356216 jcn56 said:

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is that the bucktoothed jackass that owns the team was trying to instigate a confrontation, and Oakley gave it to him. He would have been better off videotaping the idiots who were harrassing him and posting it to social media.

so shoving security guards and resisting when he was asked to leave that is ok?

give me a break, neither guy is right in this situation, they both are wrong..

if it was jerome james, would you have thiz much outrage?

believes that Oakley was to *blame* for this?

No, he shouldn't have resisted when security told him to leave. But by all accounts, security was the first to instigate physical contact.

Now - if security comes to me in the stands, after I've paid for my tickets and I'm in my rightful seats, and I haven't done anything to warrant being ejected, and tells me to leave, are you telling me I should be OK with them physically removing me from the stadium without me being given the opportunity to ask why?

And that would be me, anonymous NYC fan, not one of the most recognizable players of the past 25 years.

Oakley was yelling at Dolan
Tuckrule : 2/8/2017 9:02 pm : link : reply
Dolan didn't like it and told his security to escort him out. Oakley pays full price for his tickets unlike most ex Knicks and obviously didn't want to leave. Oak never goes down without a fight and now he's arrested




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Charles Oakley was said to be yelling at James Dolan and was warned to stop, according to a source. He continued and was then asked to leave





RE: Oakley was yelling at Dolan
Tuckrule : 2/8/2017 9:12 pm : link : reply
In comment 13354837 Tuckrule said:
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Dolan didn't like it and told his security to escort him out. Oakley pays full price for his tickets unlike most ex Knicks and obviously didn't want to leave. Oak never goes down without a fight and now he's arrested



This is what happened. I'm here sitting 12 rows away





Did you catch what he was saying?
Too difficult to hear it all cause fans would t shut up
Tuckrule : 2/8/2017 9:15 pm : link : reply
I did hear "I paid full price for this shit" he did call Dolan a "clown" a few times

That's all I could hear. Once he went to the tunnel I couldn't see or hear anything but I did see phil go down there

taking shots with the Oak.... who were not remotely surprised that he had an incident

In comment 13356210 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13356203 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13356190 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He had an interview on the news yesterday when he said all he did was show up and the security went after him. Just be a man and be honest. I am not saying he should have been thrown out but lying about what really happened only makes him look worse. I am a big Oakley fan but both parties look like idiots here. False. Already on record that Dolan would have his personal security alert him when Oakley was attending games/would follow him around. Not a single eyewitness account contradicts Oakley's account. Read through the thread. Link - ( New Window )

? Yet to see anything backing up what you are saying. Please point to the specific post. Dolan has a bee up his ass regarding Oakley (treats ex-Knicks like trash in general unless it's Houston/Starks/LJ aka his employees), security guards bother Oakley, he reacts with anger. The security guards have been "all over' him for years now. The NYT has an article from November where Oakley talks about Dolan's personal security being on alert when he's in the building. Unless Oakley is nostradamus why would he make this known in November unless he's clearly been bothered by Dolan for a while now? Dolan harassed Oakley (who admittedly has called him a "bad guy" and even threatened to "put something in his food" if he cooked for him one day) but Oakley's response was not unprovoked at all.

I think I'll trust the people who were at the game and who gave actual names over an anonymous and likely BBI troll.
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And Isola said the same. I know people don't like Isola either so you can discredit both.

However, that doesn't mean Oakley is innocent here. If Dolan had an issue with Oakley and he knew he was in the building then why even let him in?

My point is that it is just a fucked up situation and neither looks good.

A source said that in April 2016, security approached Oakley at MSG and asked to see his ticket � then told him he could not roam around the arena.

A source close to Oakley says that former teammate and Knicks executive Allan Houston often won�t take Oakley�s phone calls.

A former Knick said, �Houston, John Starks and Larry Johnson sold Charles out to Jimmy Dolan because they want to make sure their jobs with the Knicks are secure.�

In comment 13356243 robbieballs2003 said:

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And Isola said the same. I know people don't like Isola either so you can discredit both. However, that doesn't mean Oakley is innocent here. If Dolan had an issue with Oakley and he knew he was in the building then why even let him in? My point is that it is just a fucked up situation and neither looks good.

Well how exactly is he going to ban Oakley from the arena if he buys a ticket. I'm guessing now he'd have some grounds but previously how could he possibly stop Oakley from buying a ticket and attending the game? "I don't like him"?

i think Dolan is a clown but people were not shocked that Oak found trouble.

In comment 13356244 DanMetroMan said:

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A source said that in April 2016, security approached Oakley at MSG and asked to see his ticket � then told him he could not roam around the arena. A source close to Oakley says that former teammate and Knicks executive Allan Houston often won�t take Oakley�s phone calls. A former Knick said, �Houston, John Starks and Larry Johnson sold Charles out to Jimmy Dolan because they want to make sure their jobs with the Knicks are secure.�

Does this prove that Oakley want yelling at Dolan?

In comment 13356247 hitdog42 said:

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i think Dolan is a clown but people were not shocked that Oak found trouble.

I saw it. Thanks.

I think people are letting their hatred for Dolan overshadow what really happened here. Oakley is having a cult following now because Dolan is a douche. I like Oakley but they both look really bad here.

In comment 13356248 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13356244 DanMetroMan said: Quote: A source said that in April 2016, security approached Oakley at MSG and asked to see his ticket � then told him he could not roam around the arena. A source close to Oakley says that former teammate and Knicks executive Allan Houston often won�t take Oakley�s phone calls. A former Knick said, �Houston, John Starks and Larry Johnson sold Charles out to Jimmy Dolan because they want to make sure their jobs with the Knicks are secure.� Does this prove that Oakley want yelling at Dolan?

It (and previous proof) proves that Dolan has gone out of his way to poke the bear and post-event the Knicks released 2 inflammatory press releases that were beyond unprofessional. In fact, the first implied (or put out the implication) that Oakley has a drinking/drug or mental problems. Classy.

Oakley was wrong for his reaction, but if you're assigning blame here, I don't see how you walk away thinking that there's some even split. By all accounts, the guy was sitting in his seat, watching the game and talking to fans before the security guards started trouble.

And there are measures that Dolan could take to ensure that Oakley doesn't attend Knick games at home. He could easily bar entry at the gate, it's not like Oakley isn't recognizable. It's almost as if they set the fucking guy up for failure, knowing that if they got in his face he'd react.

I'll repost things I posted there from the NYT:

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According to some spectators seated nearby, he had been calm early in the game. He took a photograph with Felice Bergman, a fan with season tickets several rows higher. James L. Dolan, the Knicks� owner, with whom Oakley has a contentious relationship, sat nearby, but several spectators said they did not see Oakley exchange any words with Dolan or try to provoke him...... A guard soon came over to Oakley and asked him to leave. Oakley asked why. �He just couldn�t understand why,� said Matthew Barbara, who sat a few rows up from Oakley. �We didn�t see him throw a punch or do anything. He wasn�t nasty to any of the people behind him. We�re trying to figure out what happened.�....... The Knicks, in a statement, said Oakley had behaved in a �highly inappropriate and completely abusive manner.� But fans sitting nearby said they did not feel that was the case. �Nothing he did rose to the level of what happened,� Jamie Vitiello said. �They overacted.�

And then this from, ahem, Bleacher Report:

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Jamie Vitiello, a fan seated in the area, said Oakley was "mildly boisterous to one security guard, but nothing that seemed like he should be kicked out." Multiple other witnesses backed that account. One person thought Oakley might have initially been irked when, upon entering his section, a security guard asked to see his ticket. Matthew Barbara, another fan sitting in the area, said Oakley cursed at the section's guard. "But I didn't hear him say anything to Dolan," he said. That guard, according to Vitiello, left his post soon after. Another one approached Oakley and told him to stop cursing at the security guards, and that, according to the witnesses, is when things erupted. "[MSG security] handled it poorly," Jill Guadagno, who was seated two rows behind Oakley and next to Barbara, said. "They never said to him 'calm down.' The only interaction was them saying, 'You need to leave.'"

In comment 13356225 jcn56 said:

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believes that Oakley was to *blame* for this? No, he shouldn't have resisted when security told him to leave. But by all accounts, security was the first to instigate physical contact. Now - if security comes to me in the stands, after I've paid for my tickets and I'm in my rightful seats, and I haven't done anything to warrant being ejected, and tells me to leave, are you telling me I should be OK with them physically removing me from the stadium without me being given the opportunity to ask why? And that would be me, anonymous NYC fan, not one of the most recognizable players of the past 25 years.

but if you know you are not welcome why even push it?


and like said nobody is right in this situation..

In comment 13356259 DanMetroMan said:

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It (and previous proof) proves that Dolan has gone out of his way to poke the bear and post-event the Knicks released 2 inflammatory press releases that were beyond unprofessional. In fact, the first implied (or put out the implication) that Oakley has a drinking/drug or mental problems. Classy.

That is, by far, the worst thing anyone has done in this whole thing. Obviously Dolan instigated things, and clearly Oakley reacted terribly and turned it into such an ugly situation. But for the Knicks to go after him in public statements like that is pretty disgusting.

Charles Oakley and neutral third-party spectators, or Dolan and the Knicks propaganda machine? Tough call there!

Because he actually is still a Knicks diehard who cares about the team, unlike the shitweasel who owns the franchise, and wants to see them play.

The whole situation is fucked.

jcn, obviously if Oakley did nothing wrong up to the point that the security guards approached him then I totally agree with you. We all know Dolan is a cunt. The fact that he fired an employee because she did her job was beyond comprehension and shows his imposed self importance. So, like I said, I still like Oakley. I am just jot sure he is 100% innocent. This doesn't mean that what Dolan did was okay. This doesn't mean I split the blame 50/50 between then. I am just cautious on this whole cult situation revolving around Oakley right now. If he was 100% innocent then I will get a Free Oakley shirt. Lol

In comment 13356271 Greg from LI said:

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Because he actually is still a Knicks diehard who cares about the team, unlike the shitweasel who owns the franchise, and wants to see them play.

Ok if you know you are not welcome somehwere you still going to go to that place? say it is your favorite restaraunt and they ban you or you know you are not welcome, you still going to go?

and again i am not saying it is right he is banned..

In comment 13356264 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13356225 jcn56 said: Quote: believes that Oakley was to *blame* for this? No, he shouldn't have resisted when security told him to leave. But by all accounts, security was the first to instigate physical contact. Now - if security comes to me in the stands, after I've paid for my tickets and I'm in my rightful seats, and I haven't done anything to warrant being ejected, and tells me to leave, are you telling me I should be OK with them physically removing me from the stadium without me being given the opportunity to ask why? And that would be me, anonymous NYC fan, not one of the most recognizable players of the past 25 years. but if you know you are not welcome why even push it? and like said nobody is right in this situation..

Not welcome by whom?

Not welcome by the owner? He's not sitting with him.

Not welcome by the organization?

Not welcome by the fans or the crowd? That's not the case.

Banned would be one thing. If you do something stupid like shoplift in a store, you could be banned. Can't go back or risk threat of arrest. If they had banned him entirely, then Oakley had no business going there.

If he wasn't banned, why is he at fault for buying a ticket to watch a game? Because the owner doesn't like him? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Would you never attend another Giants game if John Mara didn't like you?

But it's really disappointing that LJ and Starks are Dolan lackeys.

I never trust a person over 10 years old who plays a fuckin kazoo.

Oakley stuff reminded me of the story that Jordan/Pippen were scared of Xavier McDaniel. Always made me like XMan more. When I went to Ewing's # retirement ceremony McDaniel got a pretty massive response (considering how briefly he was a Knick). Oakley got a big one as well (obviously).

In comment 13356287 Greg from LI said:

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But it's really disappointing that LJ and Starks are Dolan lackeys.

i think this is the worst part in all of this, none of his former teammates have his back, they all got cushy jobs with the knicks, sot courtside and none try to get oakley back in

had a pretty good fight when X was with the Sonics. Ended up exchanging some punches and spilling into the crowd. X threw the first shot and Oak dodged it like a champ.

In comment 13356283 jcn56 said:

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In comment 13356264 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13356225 jcn56 said: Quote: believes that Oakley was to *blame* for this? No, he shouldn't have resisted when security told him to leave. But by all accounts, security was the first to instigate physical contact. Now - if security comes to me in the stands, after I've paid for my tickets and I'm in my rightful seats, and I haven't done anything to warrant being ejected, and tells me to leave, are you telling me I should be OK with them physically removing me from the stadium without me being given the opportunity to ask why? And that would be me, anonymous NYC fan, not one of the most recognizable players of the past 25 years. but if you know you are not welcome why even push it? and like said nobody is right in this situation.. Not welcome by whom? Not welcome by the owner? He's not sitting with him. Not welcome by the organization? Not welcome by the fans or the crowd? That's not the case. Banned would be one thing. If you do something stupid like shoplift in a store, you could be banned. Can't go back or risk threat of arrest. If they had banned him entirely, then Oakley had no business going there. If he wasn't banned, why is he at fault for buying a ticket to watch a game? Because the owner doesn't like him? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Would you never attend another Giants game if John Mara didn't like you?

he said himself he knew he was not welcome but wanted to go anyway, he knew security always is watching him..

and again if this jerome james, you still angry?

Seriously? lmao wtf

street - at what point does the owner have a right to send his goons to instigate a fight with a fan in the stands who isn't bothering anyone and is sitting in a seat he paid for?

In comment 13356297 B in ALB said:

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had a pretty good fight when X was with the Sonics. Ended up exchanging some punches and spilling into the crowd. X threw the first shot and Oak dodged it like a champ.

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Seriously? lmao wtf

my point is really simple..

are you mad because it is oakle or you mad because of what dolan did?

In comment 13356301 jcn56 said:

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street - at what point does the owner have a right to send his goons to instigate a fight with a fan in the stands who isn't bothering anyone and is sitting in a seat he paid for?

i have already said dolan is very wrong in this as well but oakley knew it was going to happen..

when security came he could of just got up and said ok can we talk in the tunnel so there is no scene, instead he stodd up and started screamong and started shoving guys..

neither party is roght in this, dolan is wrong for being a petty bitch and oakley is wrong for escalating it with physical force...

JoeMP swore that David Falk steered the X Man to the Celtics after the 1992 season for exactly that reason - Jordan, Falk's meal ticket, was afraid of him and that the Knicks had a much better shot at knocking off the Bulls with X than without him.

In the Bulls' six championship runs, a team took them to seven games only twice. One of those two was the 1992 Knicks with X.

In comment 13356319 Greg from LI said:

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JoeMP swore that David Falk steered the X Man to the Celtics after the 1992 season for exactly that reason - Jordan, Falk's meal ticket, was afraid of him and that the Knicks had a much better shot at knocking off the Bulls with X than without him.

I think that's been a rumor for a while now. I guess because Oakley was friends with Jordan he wasn't "scared" of him. X had crazy eyes but didn't strike me as "scary" but I guess he was lol