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NFT: Was Oakley banned from MSG before or not?

LCtheINTMachine : 2/10/2017 9:22 am
Some people are saying that the reason he got kicked out was that he is just banned from the Garden. That's the only justification for the Knicks to look the way they did.

But they have not said that in their 'statements.' Does anyone know if prior to that game he was banned or no? Also surprised John McEnroe hasn't given his version.
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I remember reading an SI profile of X way back when  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 11:13 am : link
And guys in the league thought he was legitimately crazy, like Ron Artest crazy. He scared a lot of opponents.
from a very long time season ticket holder  
PhilSimms15 : 2/10/2017 11:52 am : link
I've had season tickets since 1986 (I missed this game, darn it) and I get asked to see my ticket almost every time I go to my seat. So asking Oakley to see his ticket is not surprising.

Also, I agree with those saying both parties were in the wrong, and I also can't believe that Oakley was quietly watching the game and then was tossed by security.

I've met Oak a couple of times -- even in quiet moments he is a pretty belligerent personality.

Finally, even if Oakley was just sitting quietly reading a book -- one cannot push, shove, or take aggressive physical action to security at an event (and with police present) and be totally in the right. Just like if someone calls you a name, you can't punch him. Its at least a misdemeanor.
I think the story went  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 11:58 am : link
that Pippen was the one scared shitless of XMan, and Jordan knew it, so he ordered Falk to steer him away from the Knicks.
my theory is that Oak went there  
Enzo : 2/10/2017 12:03 pm : link
looking for trouble. I don't think it's a coincidence his seats were only a couple of rows behind where Dolan always sits. He probably said a few things to Dolan (who is notoriously thin skinned) and Dolan quickly got security over there. I have no idea why there's a rift between him and the org. Both the Knicks and Rangers generally seem to do a good job when it comes to honoring alumni. But you're dealing with a petulant moron in Dolan and someone in Oak who isn't exactly the most congenial guy in the world.
X Man  
slickwilly : 2/10/2017 12:10 pm : link
getting in Pippen's and Jordan's face
Link - ( New Window )
Knicks are such a joke  
ZogZerg : 2/10/2017 12:14 pm : link
LOL
MSG has just fired their VP of security  
Mason : 2/10/2017 12:36 pm : link
more security firings are expected.
Just saw this Steve A. Smith's interview  
dk in TX : 2/10/2017 12:36 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
Patrick wouldn't have gone to the Hall of Fame without Oak?  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 12:39 pm : link
Yeeeeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there SAS, mmm-kay?
Show Oakley  
dk in TX : 2/10/2017 12:45 pm : link
Respect. He has done more more positive things for the knicks team than James Dolan.

All Dolan has done is wreck in billion$ and wreck the team. The knicks have been a joke since Dolan acquired it. The fish started rotting from the head.

I am sick and tired of being sick and tired already!!!😯😔
So after 2 days of statements  
moespree : 2/10/2017 12:50 pm : link
Blasting Oakley including one where you insinuate he has either a substance abuse or mental problem, Dolan is going to turn around and wipe out members of the security staff. Why? If they did nothing wrong as these propaganda hit piece statements suggest, than why the need to fire people?

Dolan is a disgrace to everything. Sports, business, himself.
Here is the article about the firing of the security  
Mason : 2/10/2017 12:52 pm : link
Dolan is such a prick to scapegoat this guy and his other security personnel.
MSG Security Chief Fired over Charles Oakley Incident - ( New Window )
Wow smart move by Dolan to fire security  
LCtheINTMachine : 2/10/2017 1:15 pm : link
Makes it look as if they did this on their own and takes his own involvement out.

No one ever said Dolan was stupid. He was born on third base and no one else can get on base! A true example of why rich people are the worst.
RE: Wow smart move by Dolan to fire security  
Deej : 2/10/2017 1:40 pm : link
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Makes it look as if they did this on their own and takes his own involvement out.

No one ever said Dolan was stupid. He was born on third base and no one else can get on base! A true example of why rich people are the worst.


Dolan is stupid.

Glad to be a trailblazer.
Dolan epitomizes  
B in ALB : 2/10/2017 1:47 pm : link
the "Landed on third and thinks he hit a triple" mantra.

Sounds like another idiot we all know.
dolan will be on the kay show at 4  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 2:19 pm : link
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RE: dolan will be on the kay show at 4  
LCtheINTMachine : 2/10/2017 2:23 pm : link
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Wow the snake is going to face the music? I don't believe it
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adamg : 2/10/2017 2:27 pm : link
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street - at what point does the owner have a right to send his goons to instigate a fight with a fan in the stands who isn't bothering anyone and is sitting in a seat he paid for?



i have already said dolan is very wrong in this as well but oakley knew it was going to happen..

when security came he could of just got up and said ok can we talk in the tunnel so there is no scene, instead he stodd up and started screamong and started shoving guys..

neither party is roght in this, dolan is wrong for being a petty bitch and oakley is wrong for escalating it with physical force...


Oakley knew it was going to happen? Oakley escalated the events with physical force?

Now, you've misrepresented virtually everything about the event. At this point I have to ask: do you figure it was actually Oakley in the stands? Or was it Charles Barkley?

Pandering to all sides doesn't make you more right.
Man Kay successfully got Dolan to take the bait  
Mason : 2/10/2017 2:31 pm : link
He has been demanding Dolan come on to give a statement on Phil Jackson and now with this Oakley incident he kinda forced his hand yesterday. Oakley is still in NY, he should get him on at the same time. Get Phil and Melo on too.



This was funny  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 2:38 pm : link
I got an alert from the CBS Sports app - Derrick Williams chooses to sign with the Cavs over the Knicks. You don't say! I'm stunned!
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 2:38 pm : link
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street - at what point does the owner have a right to send his goons to instigate a fight with a fan in the stands who isn't bothering anyone and is sitting in a seat he paid for?



i have already said dolan is very wrong in this as well but oakley knew it was going to happen..

when security came he could of just got up and said ok can we talk in the tunnel so there is no scene, instead he stodd up and started screamong and started shoving guys..

neither party is roght in this, dolan is wrong for being a petty bitch and oakley is wrong for escalating it with physical force...



Oakley knew it was going to happen? Oakley escalated the events with physical force?

Now, you've misrepresented virtually everything about the event. At this point I have to ask: do you figure it was actually Oakley in the stands? Or was it Charles Barkley?

Pandering to all sides doesn't make you more right.


oakley himself said that he knew that security watches him when he comes and he was told that dolan has to be notified when he is there...

he also has been stopped at the door and not let in..

and he did escalate it with physical force, if he didnt start shoving guys would there have been an issue? he would of been taken to the back and talked to security..would he have been arrested? no..

RE: RE: dolan will be on the kay show at 4  
Deej : 2/10/2017 2:39 pm : link
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Wow the snake is going to face the music? I don't believe it


Dont know Kay's schtick, but I hope there are zero questions about Oakley. Use them all to ask about the direction of the franchise, whether Dolan will authorize a rebuild, whether Phil is leaving, whether he has talked to Phil about douchebaggery etc. Not expecting it.

Interesting the Dolan is really feeling the heat on this. What, is he coming on to defend his sterling reputation and standing among Knicks fans?
Oak should challenge Dolan to some  
Deej : 2/10/2017 2:40 pm : link
celebrity boxing for charity. McEnroe is the ref.
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 2:43 pm : link
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Wow the snake is going to face the music? I don't believe it



Dont know Kay's schtick, but I hope there are zero questions about Oakley. Use them all to ask about the direction of the franchise, whether Dolan will authorize a rebuild, whether Phil is leaving, whether he has talked to Phil about douchebaggery etc. Not expecting it.

Interesting the Dolan is really feeling the heat on this. What, is he coming on to defend his sterling reputation and standing among Knicks fans?


what he should do before any questions say, i am calling oakley to come in and have a sit down with me and see if we can repair the damage and hope to see if we can get the knicks and oakley back together...

as for the direction of the franchise he is just going to say it is up to phil, he leaves basketball decisions up to phil...

unless he is firing him
Wow, Kay was able to get the upper hand on the Pope.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 2:54 pm : link
Usually Francesa is where Jimmy goes for a soft landing. Should be an interesting convo. I just hope they don't let Rosenberg ask any questions - leave this one to that actual sports guys.
RE: MSG has just fired their VP of security  
Vanzetti : 2/10/2017 2:55 pm : link
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more security firings are expected.


Good. These assholes act like Dolan's lackey dogs and then when shit hits the fan, he scapegoats them.

Why not be a man? When you see Oakley is doing nothing that warrants ejection, stand up and tell the boss you are just following policy. If he cans you, then you have your self-respect, the respect of others and a good lawsuit. By being a sniveling lackey, you get what you deserve.





Maybe Jimmy's just showing up  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 2:56 pm : link
to perform a new single from JD and the Straight Shot.
RE: Wow, Kay was able to get the upper hand on the Pope.  
Steve in Greenwich : 2/10/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13356731 bceagle05 said:
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Usually Francesa is where Jimmy goes for a soft landing. Should be an interesting convo. I just hope they don't let Rosenberg ask any questions - leave this one to that actual sports guys.

Mike is already trying to soften the blow for not getting the exclusive, said Dolan only does interviews face to face, won't do phone calls, and Mike is doing a remote from Mohegan Sun so Jim wouldn't call in to the show and is doing the ESPN in studio.
I realized after I posted  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 3:01 pm : link
that Francesa is on location. Funny that he actually brought it up on the air. He should try to land Phil by phone.
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Deej : 2/10/2017 3:03 pm : link
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Usually Francesa is where Jimmy goes for a soft landing. Should be an interesting convo. I just hope they don't let Rosenberg ask any questions - leave this one to that actual sports guys.


Mike is already trying to soften the blow for not getting the exclusive, said Dolan only does interviews face to face, won't do phone calls, and Mike is doing a remote from Mohegan Sun so Jim wouldn't call in to the show and is doing the ESPN in studio.


He likes to put on the charm offensive.

RE: Wow, Kay was able to get the upper hand on the Pope.  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13356731 bceagle05 said:
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Usually Francesa is where Jimmy goes for a soft landing. Should be an interesting convo. I just hope they don't let Rosenberg ask any questions - leave this one to that actual sports guys.


rosenberg is annoying, i dont know why they even have him on the show
Yeah I don't like Rosenberg either.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 3:06 pm : link
Three's a crowd anyway. ESPN always overdoes it - even putting Canty on full-time with Hahn and Humpty is a little too much.
RE: Yeah I don't like Rosenberg either.  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 3:09 pm : link
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Three's a crowd anyway. ESPN always overdoes it - even putting Canty on full-time with Hahn and Humpty is a little too much.


at least canty knows sports..

Rosenburg turns every sports conversation into something about movies or something he knows about,and the conversation gets derailed...

and it is crap that lagreca is not on the show title and you can tell he is really bitter about it
Per Michael Kay Charles Oakley is PERM BANNED  
Mason : 2/10/2017 3:24 pm : link
from MSG forever.
RE: Per Michael Kay Charles Oakley is PERM BANNED  
Deej : 2/10/2017 3:33 pm : link
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from MSG forever.


You almost have to do that or else you're sending the wrong message to drunk guys everywhere.
But Isiah's still on the payroll? Good ol' Jimmy D.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 3:36 pm : link
Can we ban Houston and Mills while we're at it?
RE: RE: Per Michael Kay Charles Oakley is PERM BANNED  
Mason : 2/10/2017 3:43 pm : link
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from MSG forever.



You almost have to do that or else you're sending the wrong message to drunk guys everywhere.


I think it has more to do with the fact that Oakley went on SAS and Fox5. SAS said he was informed by Oak and others that Dolan/MSG did not want him to take this public.
surprised dolan is going on with kay  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 3:47 pm : link
no matter what he says he will be ridiculed, he will either be called a liar or a piece of shit for ehat he says
Maybe, at long last, this could be the spark for a full-fledged fan  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 3:48 pm : link
revolt - tickets and merchandise being burned outside the Garden, thousands of empty seats at home games, the works. I've been dreaming of such a thing for so long.
and the Charles Oakley chants tonight are going to be awesome  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 3:49 pm : link
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Dolan doesn't give a shit..  
Sean : 2/10/2017 3:50 pm : link
say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think.
RE: Dolan doesn't give a shit..  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 3:51 pm : link
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say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think.


He'll care if the place starts emptying out.
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Canton : 2/10/2017 3:52 pm : link
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say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think.



He'll care if the place starts emptying out.


Which will never happen.
Hey, I said the Knicks could never humiliate themselves more than they  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 3:55 pm : link
already have, so never say never!
Wow  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 3:56 pm : link
this is WWE style.. Windhorst is implying that Oakley may be in the first row 2/23 Knicks/Cavs next to the Knicks bench lol
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Sean : 2/10/2017 3:58 pm : link
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already have, so never say never!


Won't happen. Place will always fill up. I think the only thing that can fix this is the NBA stepping in. A total mess.
Weren't there a lot of no-shows at the end of the Isiah error?  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 3:59 pm : link
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RE: Wow  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13356832 DanMetroMan said:
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this is WWE style.. Windhorst is implying that Oakley may be in the first row 2/23 Knicks/Cavs next to the Knicks bench lol


Hell fuck yes, to quote my old SDI. Let it be so.
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So sad. Don't know what happened Wed. Do know Oak always had my back in locker room when not everyone was happy about a woman being there.
RE: Dolan doesn't give a shit..  
B in ALB : 2/10/2017 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13356819 Sean said:
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say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think.


If he didn't care he wouldn't be on the fuckin Kay show right now explaining himself.
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