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NFT: Was Oakley banned from MSG before or not?

LCtheINTMachine : 2/10/2017 9:22 am
Some people are saying that the reason he got kicked out was that he is just banned from the Garden. That's the only justification for the Knicks to look the way they did.

But they have not said that in their 'statements.' Does anyone know if prior to that game he was banned or no? Also surprised John McEnroe hasn't given his version.
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Apparently  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 4:03 pm : link
as part of his contract Lebron owns the tickets next to the visitors bench. So... if this were a movie... trot out ghosts of Dolan's past...Ewing, Oakley, Marv Albert, JVG lol
Dolan on Michael Kaynow  
Canton : 2/10/2017 4:03 pm : link
.

Says it's not necessarily a life time ban
RE: Apparently  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13356848 DanMetroMan said:
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as part of his contract Lebron owns the tickets next to the visitors bench. So... if this were a movie... trot out ghosts of Dolan's past...Ewing, Oakley, Marv Albert, JVG lol


Marcus Camby!
Oh I can't wait for the Oakley chants tonight.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 4:04 pm : link
Fans in attendance better rise to the occasion, and I acknowledge that a lot of this falls on Oakley. But still, fuck James Dolan and this shitty franchise.
If you are the Knicks  
Chris684 : 2/10/2017 4:05 pm : link
how, as an organization, do you not embrace Charles Oakley?

You have a pair of titles in the 70's and the 90's teams to fall back on. Granted the latter did not produce a title, but they came damn close and provided an entire generation of Knicks fans with positive memories.

If Ewing was the best player of that era, Oakley was the toughest and may very well be the most beloved. I hope this blows up in Dolan's face and I hope Knicks fans are loud in support of Oakley tonight.

What a total joke this franchise has become.
RE: If you are the Knicks  
Mad Mike : 2/10/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13356852 Chris684 said:
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how, as an organization, do you not embrace Charles Oakley?

By having an immature a-hole as the head of the organization, that's how.
Dolan said you aren't allowed to curse or drink in MSG  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:07 pm : link
and that's why Oak had to go.
Dolan didn't know his team was on nationalized television that night  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:10 pm : link
Just wow
LOL Dolan said Oak may be a drunk and is abusive  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:12 pm : link
WTF
Said Oakley should never made it to his seat  
Canton : 2/10/2017 4:12 pm : link
The moment he walked through the doors Oakley was acting out.

Dolan said that is on us. Kayyy asked if the Security Chief firing played a part. Dolan said it was the last straw. They had issues before and it was time for him to go.
Dolan live and uncensored.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 4:13 pm : link
What could possibly go wrong?
RE: RE: Dolan doesn't give a shit..  
Sean : 2/10/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13356846 B in ALB said:
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say what you will about him, but he doesn't care what we think.



If he didn't care he wouldn't be on the fuckin Kay show right now explaining himself.


From a fan perspective.
Mara isn't liked?  
adamg : 2/10/2017 4:15 pm : link
Meanwhile Knick fans are planning...

LOL, so Dolan believes that no fans like their owners  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:16 pm : link
Don brings up John Mara and Dolan brushes it off saying only in their championship years.


What a twisted individual.
This guy is a complete asshole  
B in ALB : 2/10/2017 4:16 pm : link
Malcontents? Because we don't like you? What a dick.

Don't  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 4:18 pm : link
forget, this isn't Jimmy's first "alcoholic" accusation rodeo

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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:15 PM, James Dolan <JDOLAN@cablevision.com> wrote:

Mr Bierman

You are a sad person. Why would anybody write such a hateful letter. I am.just guessing but ill bet your life is a mess and you are a hateful mess. What have you done that anyone would consider positive or nice. I am betting nothing. In fact ill bet you are negative force in everyone who comes in contact with you. You most likely have made your family miserable. Alcoholic maybe. I just celebrated my 21 year anniversary of sobriety. You should try it. Maybe it will help you become a person that folks would like to have around. In the mean while start rooting.for the Nets because the Knicks dont want you.

Respectfully

James Dolan

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Dolan is the worst.  
Heisenberg : 2/10/2017 4:20 pm : link
absolute worst.
Dolan on Michael Kay right now  
DennyInDenville : 2/10/2017 4:20 pm : link
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Right? Et cetera. Right? Et cetera.  
B in ALB : 2/10/2017 4:21 pm : link
Right?

Buffoon.
Dolan basically said Phil is running wild  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:21 pm : link
but he made an agreement.
First rule of holes, Jimmy - stop digging  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 4:24 pm : link
What a sad, sad piece of shit he is
Kaye with a good  
Enzo : 2/10/2017 4:27 pm : link
question about whether or not Dolan considered Phil's lack of front office experience when they hired him. Dolan basically admitted he didn't.
RE: Kaye with a good  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13356895 Enzo said:
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question about whether or not Dolan considered Phil's lack of front office experience when they hired him. Dolan basically admitted he didn't.


He basically said he gave the fans/media what they wanted so don't come crying to him now. Just incredible stuff. He laid everything on Phil and the fans.
RE: Dolan said you aren't allowed to curse or drink in MSG  
Deej : 2/10/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13356858 Mason said:
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and that's why Oak had to go.


Have they stopped selling beer at the Garden? The World's Most Boring, Dry Arena?
Not listening, but he said Phil's getting the full five years?  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2017 4:29 pm : link
Sorry Melo - might want to waive that clause.
His  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 4:30 pm : link
story makes absolutely zero sense.

- Claims Oakley showed up with an agenda (all but said he was drunk with a drinking problem)

- Security should have stopped him before he got to his seats

-noted that Oakley is extremely famous so security is going to notice him

YET they go to Oakley and ask to see his tickets?
RE: RE: Kaye with a good  
Deej : 2/10/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13356898 Mason said:
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In comment 13356895 Enzo said:


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question about whether or not Dolan considered Phil's lack of front office experience when they hired him. Dolan basically admitted he didn't.



He basically said he gave the fans/media what they wanted so don't come crying to him now. Just incredible stuff. He laid everything on Phil and the fans.


I think it is entirely possible that he thinks this is true. That his interactions are limited to those fans who deride rebuilds and just "want to watch a good game". I suspect that these are the people with seats near him.
RE: RE: Dolan said you aren't allowed to curse or drink in MSG  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13356900 Deej said:
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In comment 13356858 Mason said:


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and that's why Oak had to go.



Have they stopped selling beer at the Garden? The World's Most Boring, Dry Arena?


He's full of shit. I used to be a season ticket holder and have heard sort of vulgar expressions. But I guess I was never near Dolan so I'm not sure if it cursing and drinking too much is not allowed.
Dolan  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 4:31 pm : link
accuses Oakley of "sexual overtones" in terms of abuse.. WTF does that mean! lol
"Ask Phil"  
adamg : 2/10/2017 4:31 pm : link
is his answer to people who think he gutted a beloved franchise. The guy is a bottom of the barrel piece of shit.
RE: Dolan  
adamg : 2/10/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13356908 DanMetroMan said:
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accuses Oakley of "sexual overtones" in terms of abuse.. WTF does that mean! lol


He fucked his wife?
RE: Dolan  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13356908 DanMetroMan said:
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accuses Oakley of "sexual overtones" in terms of abuse.. WTF does that mean! lol


I was shocked. What a strange interview. Dolan is weird.
At this point Dolan would probably be better off if he  
steve in ky : 2/10/2017 4:32 pm : link
removed himself entirely from the sports picture other than cashing the checks. Then hired Glen Sather to run the entire MSG sports complex and put the Knicks under his umbrella as well.

I'm of course joking but I actually doubt the Knicks would do much worse. That's how bad the Knicks are at this point.
RE: At this point Dolan would probably be better off if he  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13356913 steve in ky said:
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removed himself entirely from the sports picture other than cashing the checks. Then hired Glen Sather to run the entire MSG sports complex and put the Knicks under his umbrella as well.

I'm of course joking but I actually doubt the Knicks would do much worse. That's how bad the Knicks are at this point.


You're not far off. That scenario is exactly what happened with Checketts. Sather wouldn't be a bad choice but he is too camera shy for the job.
That was really bad  
B in ALB : 2/10/2017 4:37 pm : link
he just made things worse for himself and the Knicks. He further embarrassed himself and the organization. That was bizarre.
What I learned  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:39 pm : link
- Dolan thinks Oak is a drunk and abusive to people even sexually
- Ask Phil about the state of the Knicks. It's his and the fans fault that the team stinks.
- Doesn't think the Knicks are good.
In a weird way his publicly laying it all off on Phil  
steve in ky : 2/10/2017 4:42 pm : link
if just deserts for Jackson for how he has chosen to publicly embarrass those under him.
Ive never been to a Knicks home game, but I've seen the Rangers there  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2017 4:43 pm : link
Pretty sure half the arena was cursing, and half of those were drunk.
President of the PA  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 4:43 pm : link
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Painful to believe that my last image of Oak at MSG is him dragged out of the arena. Is this how we remember our Legends? #NoBan
Michele Roberts getting a little melodramatic  
steve in ky : 2/10/2017 4:47 pm : link
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RE: Ive never been to a Knicks home game, but I've seen the Rangers there  
Mason : 2/10/2017 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13356930 Greg from LI said:
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Pretty sure half the arena was cursing, and half of those were drunk.


Went I sat in the 400 sections, those were very rowdy. I remember one Wall Street guy would come in smelling of booze and cursing at the opposing team even before the anthem.

When I went down to the 300 section it was less rowdy but there was plenty of cursing. Even fathers with their kids and wives there.

The only guy I remember getting escorted out of MSG was a guy who was blackout and pissed on himself. And that time a fight broke out. But they were back for the next game.
this just sucks  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 4:52 pm : link
madison square garden for knicks used to be awesome to go to, so much fun and loud..

now it is loud for the wrong reasons..

it is just going to get worse to because no one is going to have patience for the draft picks coming in to pan out
this just sucks  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 4:54 pm : link
madison square garden for knicks used to be awesome to go to, so much fun and loud..

now it is loud for the wrong reasons..

it is just going to get worse to because no one is going to have patience for the draft picks coming in to pan out
and admittedly i might be one of those people  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2017 4:55 pm : link
i see it happening with me with kp, i wamt to see knicks be a good team so bad but fans like me need to have patience because this can be rebuilt the right way
Apparently Phil Jackson was so scared he called MJ..  
Sean : 2/10/2017 5:00 pm : link
because he's the only guy that can calm him down. Just heard this on Russo's show.
Please  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 5:00 pm : link
I've been to sporting events of every team in the area (except the Devils) and there is drinking, cursing etc. The Subway Series used to be absolutely nuts, full brawls, old man thrown down the stairs during a fight. I'm not saying it's great to see but c'mon lol Who hasn't seen drunk people or cursing at a game?
Rock bottom  
TyreeHelmet : 2/10/2017 5:02 pm : link
I didn't think it could get any worse for the Knicks or how I viewed Dolan. But that interview made in much worse. His laughing and contempt for the fans? To not only accuse Oakley of being an alcholic but to also say he was making racist and sexist comments at the game? What the hell could Oakley have done from the minute he walked in the building?

I can't stand Dolan. What a prick.
RE: and admittedly i might be one of those people  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2017 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13356946 nygiants16 said:
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i see it happening with me with kp, i wamt to see knicks be a good team so bad but fans like me need to have patience because this can be rebuilt the right way


In fairness, fans on a message board generally are going to be hypercritical "crazy" fans. I suspect most Knicks fans are less critical than those on BBI etc. + I think it's fair to critique ANY player within the context of remembering age, development etc. I think 99% of the criticism for KP on BBI has been more than fair (defensive lapses in particular).
Fans: Hey Dolan, Knicks suck. What are you going to do about it?  
Mason : 2/10/2017 5:04 pm : link
Jimmy: Ask Phil. You bastards wanted me out of it. So out of spite I'm going to stay out of it. I know the team sucks.
Fans: I hate you!
Jimmy: Fuck you too. Oh by the way. Phil gave Melo that NTC when he chose to re-signed him. Take that! And your guy Oak is a drunk. I know about drunks and he's one!
Someone should tweet KnicksPR and let them know  
jcn56 : 2/10/2017 5:08 pm : link
Dolan sounds like he should seek some professional help.

To think - that guy grew up surrounded by enough money to get the best schooling on the planet, and he sounds like he just rolled out of bed in a trailer park with a can of Bud stuck to his forehead.
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