Raanan ESPN NY: Mailbag: Would Jets' Brandon Marshall make sense for Giants?
"I don't see the Giants dishing out a big deal to a 30-year-old tight end [Bennett] either. More likely they will look in the draft. In my estimation, Alabama's O.J. Howard still has a 50/50 chance of being available when they select 23rdoverall in the first round. If not Howard (don't expect projects such as Miami's David Njoku or one-dimensional players such Ole Miss' Evan Engram or Clemson's Jordan Leggett in the early rounds), maybe a blocking type such as Arkansas' Jeremy Sprinkle in the later rounds is the way to go." http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/50828/would-jets-wr-brandon-marshall-make-any-sense-for-the-giants
Sadly, I do too. The Giants will have to think of something to help the pass rush though. Tagging JPP is a big $$$ mistake unless they tag & trade.
Well, they can sign another UFA DE for considerably less than what JPP would cost. A guy like Detroit's Devin Taylor comes to mind.
They might feel that Okwara or Odighizuwa are ready to become more than mere role players...that one of them is starter material.
And then there's the draft, where they're always on the lookout for another pass-rusher, be it a DE or an OLB.
Taylor coming off first contract. Only 27..Liking how you think..Still like Okwara..Despite some of the experts on here, there really isn't enough body of work to reasonably assess OO at this point, imv
I like JPP, and I'd love for the Giants to re-sign him, but I wouldn't break the bank for him (for a variety of reasons), and my guess is that some other team will (just like we went all in on Vernon last year). If we want to play games with the tag, well, so be it, but I don't like the acrimony that could cause.
So, if the Giants are prepared to let JPP walk, I certainly hope they have a Plan B in place. I listed a few options which are by no means Earth-shattering.
To be clear, I would be fine with JPP back, but NOT on the tag. Â
Whatever contract might be agreed upon can at least be amortized (my point ad nauseum on here) allowing us to do some work with the O..I'm not AS concerned as some about possible acrimony. He'd only fluck up his chances the following year for a big contract if he allows the pussies to affect his production
As to options, you are the first one here to bring up Taylor. I didn't even know he was a FA..That's really a good call on your part whether it comes to fruition or not
to favor the OTs as opposed to OGs. Let me clarify that. It APPEARED that most of the pressure on Eli this year emanated up the middle, collapsing his pocket causing him to release perhaps quicker than he wanted to. If my observations are spot on or reasonably so, I'd rather we have Pugh on one side and his bookend, Zeitler(or any solid FA OG) on the other. Perhaps Richburg was indeed injured in the beginning and perhaps it lingered throughout the year. Or perhaps he needs the weight room even moreso.
Regardless, a comfortable pocket for Eli means more big plays. More clutch plays. More moving the chains plays. That's my two cents..
RE: I'm not understanding the bunch on here who tend Â
to favor the OTs as opposed to OGs. Let me clarify that. It APPEARED that most of the pressure on Eli this year emanated up the middle, collapsing his pocket causing him to release perhaps quicker than he wanted to. If my observations are spot on or reasonably so, I'd rather we have Pugh on one side and his bookend, Zeitler(or any solid FA OG) on the other. Perhaps Richburg was indeed injured in the beginning and perhaps it lingered throughout the year. Or perhaps he needs the weight room even moreso.
Regardless, a comfortable pocket for Eli means more big plays. More clutch plays. More moving the chains plays. That's my two cents..
Seriously? You think the issues were up the middle as opposed to off the edge?
20. New York Giants (20)
Top overall grade: LG Justin Pugh, 85.1 (No. 16)
Top pass-blocking grade: C Weston Richburg, 89.3 (No. 17)
Top run-blocking grade: LG Justin Pugh, 84.9 (No. 15)
The Giants may have fielded the worst pair of tackles in the game this season, but the interior trio was solid, particularly when LG Justin Pugh was in the lineup. Ereck Flowers began the season with three solid games, surrendering just five total QB pressures and no hits or sacks over that time, suggesting that he had turned a corner from his ugly rookie season—but then he went in the tank, and was horrendous down the stretch. After the aforementioned three games, he allowed 54 total QB pressures in his final 13 games, with 10 penalties adding to his woes. On the right side, Bobby Hart surrendered 46 total QB pressures himself, and if anything, those numbers flattered his performance; when he was beaten, it tended to be immediately and result in severe pressure.
is that BOTH tackles were sub-par. If even one OT can be depended upon to handle a one-on-one the other tackle can be helped by sliding , or chipping or a TE. Neither tackle last season could be depended upon
...does Davenport not even mention the use of the franchise tag? Because his argument is simply an argument for the use of the tag. With teams out there far more flush with salary cap room than the Giants, it would be foolish to allow him to hit the free market.
And it won't handcuff the Giants in free agency to have JPP on the tag. The pickings will be slim and the Giants aren't going to be outbidding some of the super-flush teams for what pickings there are with or without JPP taking up $17M in cap space.
No matter how you want to rationalize it, the loss of JPP would be a step back for the defense. He's not going to be replaced by someone as good as he is. So in my mind, it's an easy decision. Tag him and try to negotiate a multi-year contract that both sides can live with.
to favor the OTs as opposed to OGs. Let me clarify that. It APPEARED that most of the pressure on Eli this year emanated up the middle, collapsing his pocket causing him to release perhaps quicker than he wanted to. If my observations are spot on or reasonably so, I'd rather we have Pugh on one side and his bookend, Zeitler(or any solid FA OG) on the other. Perhaps Richburg was indeed injured in the beginning and perhaps it lingered throughout the year. Or perhaps he needs the weight room even moreso.
Regardless, a comfortable pocket for Eli means more big plays. More clutch plays. More moving the chains plays. That's my two cents..
Seriously? You think the issues were up the middle as opposed to off the edge?
He was their Left tackle for 3 years before the Lions drafted Lewan and asked Riley reiff to play RT. reiff did so without complaints and if my quick glance at his 2016 campaign is correct did a fine job there. He isn't old and he's experienced and can play both tackle spots AND he's a good soldier. Hed be a versatile and stabilizing presence at tackle, sorely needed.
It would appear they have a couple of halfway decent OT replacements on the roster. They have holes too. Might decide they can't match a big offer. Giants could strike here. They have signed old guys before in FA so I'm not dismissing the possibility of a whitworth move but they may prefer the younger guy who might cost a bit but not insane money and will last 3-4 years.
Article from this past week with comments from O'Hara, Schwartz Â
"Warford, who’ll play next season at just 26 years old, is one of the two best guards on the market, along with the Cincinnati Bengals’ Kevin Zeitler. Reiff can play both tackle positions and could be coveted by a team looking for an upgrade as an edge protector.
“Larry’s good. He’s going to get paid,” said Geoff Schwartz, a lineman who spent training camp with the Lions last summer and now writes for Bleacher Report. “Someone’s going to pay Riley. I don’t know if the Lions are going to pay him or not. Someone’s going to pay him.”
"O’Hara said he’s not sure what to make of some of the Lions’ offensive linemen because of the style of football they play.
“When I look at offensive linemen for Detroit, I kind of put them in a different category and assume they’re allergic to running the ball,” O’Hara said. “It’s kind of like 7-on-7. It’s like, man, if I’m an O-line for Detroit, I’m MFing the offensive coordinator when I come to the sideline 'cause we’re in pass pro all game long.” Link - ( New Window )
Raanan ESPN NY: Mailbag: Would Jets' Brandon Marshall make sense for Giants?
"I don't see the Giants dishing out a big deal to a 30-year-old tight end [Bennett] either. More likely they will look in the draft. In my estimation, Alabama's O.J. Howard still has a 50/50 chance of being available when they select 23rdoverall in the first round. If not Howard (don't expect projects such as Miami's David Njoku or one-dimensional players such Ole Miss' Evan Engram or Clemson's Jordan Leggett in the early rounds), maybe a blocking type such as Arkansas' Jeremy Sprinkle in the later rounds is the way to go."
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/50828/would-jets-wr-brandon-marshall-make-any-sense-for-the-giants
Kratch NJ.com: Giants NFL Mock Draft 2017 roundup: The latest picks, rumors, buzz
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/02/giants_nfl_mock_draft_2017_roundup_the_latest_pick.html
Kratch NJ.com: NFL mock draft 2017: Giants connected to new pass rushing name
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/02/nfl_mock_draft_giants_new_pass_rusher.html
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Patricia Traina (@Patricia_Traina)
2/12/17, 9:25 AM
No news re: Whiteworth but in starting to think he might not be the target after all
Sadly, I do too. The Giants will have to think of something to help the pass rush though. Tagging JPP is a big $$$ mistake unless they tag & trade.
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take (not profound) on JPP
Sadly, I do too. The Giants will have to think of something to help the pass rush though. Tagging JPP is a big $$$ mistake unless they tag & trade.
Well, they can sign another UFA DE for considerably less than what JPP would cost. A guy like Detroit's Devin Taylor comes to mind.
They might feel that Okwara or Odighizuwa are ready to become more than mere role players...that one of them is starter material.
And then there's the draft, where they're always on the lookout for another pass-rusher, be it a DE or an OLB.
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In comment 13357875 Big Blue '56 said:
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take (not profound) on JPP
Sadly, I do too. The Giants will have to think of something to help the pass rush though. Tagging JPP is a big $$$ mistake unless they tag & trade.
Well, they can sign another UFA DE for considerably less than what JPP would cost. A guy like Detroit's Devin Taylor comes to mind.
They might feel that Okwara or Odighizuwa are ready to become more than mere role players...that one of them is starter material.
And then there's the draft, where they're always on the lookout for another pass-rusher, be it a DE or an OLB.
Taylor coming off first contract. Only 27..Liking how you think..Still like Okwara..Despite some of the experts on here, there really isn't enough body of work to reasonably assess OO at this point, imv
So, if the Giants are prepared to let JPP walk, I certainly hope they have a Plan B in place. I listed a few options which are by no means Earth-shattering.
As to options, you are the first one here to bring up Taylor. I didn't even know he was a FA..That's really a good call on your part whether it comes to fruition or not
Regardless, a comfortable pocket for Eli means more big plays. More clutch plays. More moving the chains plays. That's my two cents..
Regardless, a comfortable pocket for Eli means more big plays. More clutch plays. More moving the chains plays. That's my two cents..
Seriously? You think the issues were up the middle as opposed to off the edge?
Top overall grade: LG Justin Pugh, 85.1 (No. 16)
Top pass-blocking grade: C Weston Richburg, 89.3 (No. 17)
Top run-blocking grade: LG Justin Pugh, 84.9 (No. 15)
The Giants may have fielded the worst pair of tackles in the game this season, but the interior trio was solid, particularly when LG Justin Pugh was in the lineup. Ereck Flowers began the season with three solid games, surrendering just five total QB pressures and no hits or sacks over that time, suggesting that he had turned a corner from his ugly rookie season—but then he went in the tank, and was horrendous down the stretch. After the aforementioned three games, he allowed 54 total QB pressures in his final 13 games, with 10 penalties adding to his woes. On the right side, Bobby Hart surrendered 46 total QB pressures himself, and if anything, those numbers flattered his performance; when he was beaten, it tended to be immediately and result in severe pressure.
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And it won't handcuff the Giants in free agency to have JPP on the tag. The pickings will be slim and the Giants aren't going to be outbidding some of the super-flush teams for what pickings there are with or without JPP taking up $17M in cap space.
No matter how you want to rationalize it, the loss of JPP would be a step back for the defense. He's not going to be replaced by someone as good as he is. So in my mind, it's an easy decision. Tag him and try to negotiate a multi-year contract that both sides can live with.
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to favor the OTs as opposed to OGs. Let me clarify that. It APPEARED that most of the pressure on Eli this year emanated up the middle, collapsing his pocket causing him to release perhaps quicker than he wanted to. If my observations are spot on or reasonably so, I'd rather we have Pugh on one side and his bookend, Zeitler(or any solid FA OG) on the other. Perhaps Richburg was indeed injured in the beginning and perhaps it lingered throughout the year. Or perhaps he needs the weight room even moreso.
Regardless, a comfortable pocket for Eli means more big plays. More clutch plays. More moving the chains plays. That's my two cents..
Seriously? You think the issues were up the middle as opposed to off the edge?
Seriously
Remember the name Riley Reiff
"Warford, who’ll play next season at just 26 years old, is one of the two best guards on the market, along with the Cincinnati Bengals’ Kevin Zeitler. Reiff can play both tackle positions and could be coveted by a team looking for an upgrade as an edge protector.
“Larry’s good. He’s going to get paid,” said Geoff Schwartz, a lineman who spent training camp with the Lions last summer and now writes for Bleacher Report. “Someone’s going to pay Riley. I don’t know if the Lions are going to pay him or not. Someone’s going to pay him.”
"O’Hara said he’s not sure what to make of some of the Lions’ offensive linemen because of the style of football they play.
“When I look at offensive linemen for Detroit, I kind of put them in a different category and assume they’re allergic to running the ball,” O’Hara said. “It’s kind of like 7-on-7. It’s like, man, if I’m an O-line for Detroit, I’m MFing the offensive coordinator when I come to the sideline 'cause we’re in pass pro all game long.”
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