Slide continues. Dallas jumps ahead of NY in the standings, currently the Knicks would be picking 8th.
Great college BB day. Lots of mediocre performances, a few great ones.
-Monk had 17 but on 15 shots.
-Fox had a clunker 3/12 shooting 7 points and 3 assists
-Smith Jr had 17 and 3 assists on 7/13
-Kennard had 25 points. Much more than a spot up shooter. If Buddy Hield went top 10 last year (although a poor draft) I think Kennard will absolutely be a first rounder at the very least.
-Meh days for Tatum, Isaac, and Markannen on offense at least.
Notable performance: Josh Jackson 31 points 11 rebounds 4 assists. 12/15 and 2/4 from 3. I watched the KU game, that was incredible. I was skeptical of Josh Jackson being a top pick but after watching him take over after frank Mason fouled out spoke volumes.
His defensive performance replicated his offense performance. He was flying around, causing deflections and had a key steal late. Oh and he played all 40 minutes... (but self said he came out for 20 seconds so there's that). He going to be a 2 guard in the mold of Iggy in the NBA I think. Surely doesn't play to his build.
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Wouldn't ever encourage intentionally tanking games against Orlando and Philly...but you know. An Orlando win has screwed with our chances in the past.
Could possibly have 2 picks in top 10
Wouldn't ever encourage intentionally tanking games against Orlando and Philly...but you know. An Orlando win has screwed with our chances in the past.
I'd love Monk to be there. Lonzo is probably going 1st or 2nd overall but Monk is the next best pro in my opinion and he could be there at 8
Also, no more signing 30-year old vet FA who either are passed their best years or never had best years. Build through the draft, carefully sign high quality role players and target the 2-3 years for rebuilding.
By year 4, this young team could be ready to compete.
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Will guarantee us one of Ball, Smith, Jackson and Isaac.
Wouldn't ever encourage intentionally tanking games against Orlando and Philly...but you know. An Orlando win has screwed with our chances in the past.
I'd love Monk to be there. Lonzo is probably going 1st or 2nd overall but Monk is the next best pro in my opinion and he could be there at 8
Monks going to be an elite scorer no doubt, but all of those guys have legit 2 way potential...which is desperately what this team needs. Best way to help KP and Willy on defense is giving them less to worry with on help defense.
Monk is someone who is going to have to guard 1s in the NBA but won't give you playmaking. Then comes Philly with Ben Simmons.
Wouldn't be against the pick at all but I'm looking at defense as much as offense with whoever we pick in this draft.
I'd say stay the same. He still gets bullied by bigger guys (he's absolutely not a center at this stage in his career...look what happened when Jokic guarded him) and misses rotations and has stupid fouls. But he does show flashes of weak side help on defense. His length bails him out a lot.
Also it probably looks worse but at least he had robin Lopez playing about 30 mpg last year. Noah hasn't played in a while and he plays like 22 minutes tops when he does play. That certainly doesn't put KP in a good spot.
Fox as a consolation prize isn't so bad. But yes, I would like the Knicks to get into top 4 position.
I still like Fox as much as Smith.
This. Smith reminds me a lot of Kyle Lowry. Fox more like Dennis Schroder. That's the difference between solid starter and All Star.
At first glance, a few games they might win are games vs Philly, Orlando, and the Nets. Maybe the best they can hope for is 6-12 in this stretch.
At first glance, a few games they might win are games vs Philly, Orlando, and the Nets. Maybe the best they can hope for is 6-12 in this stretch.
I think even that's prettt optimistic. Both Orlando games are away. One philly and one Nets game is away (though I can't see losing to the Nets). I'm giving them 7 more wins the rest of the year.
At first glance, a few games they might win are games vs Philly, Orlando, and the Nets. Maybe the best they can hope for is 6-12 in this stretch.
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Denver is trading center Jusuf Nurkic to Portland, league sources tell the @TheVertical.
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Well fuck my fantasy team. I didn't even play fantasy basketball but my friend told me he needed help on his so why not. Find out he cut Jokic at the start of the season and now Plumlee is going to be his backup.
Anyone outside of KP and and Willy they can gut us for that pick and I'd take bad contracts too!!!
Having two top picks would be so amazing
Worst case scenario I would definitely trade Melo for
The Clippers 2021 first round pick, I'm sure by then they will be a lottery team.
I think it was Denvers late pick. Plumlees a decent rotational player, probably something you'd hope for at the end of the first. But Denver has $20M committed to Faried and Arthur, has to resign Danilo (who plays some 4), has Chandler (another small ball 4) and Plumlee is a restricted FA. Oh an Jokic will command a max deal in 2 years. Not sure what the end game is with denver.
"a first" is a fairly meaningless concept. A late #1 isnt super valuable. Teams used to sell them for cash before the league banned it. Though #1s have become more valuable in the modern NBA, where starters play less.
Why is Denver trading for a center?
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plumlee got the blazers a first in this years draft? how is that possible?
"a first" is a fairly meaningless concept. A late #1 isnt super valuable. Teams used to sell them for cash before the league banned it. Though #1s have become more valuable in the modern NBA, where starters play less.
Why is Denver trading for a center?
I think Faried might be on the move. Plumlee pretty much brings the same skills as Faried but without the size flaws and is a good passer.
Totally agree with you on the late first concept, but you don't give up any first and a young player that's cost controlled for a RFA unless that player fits in your plans somehow.
Gallo or Chandler could be on the move as well.
Derrick Rose and some 2nds for Mudiay. Get it done.
Plus he won't get overpowered by PFs on defense and probably offers better rim protection than anyone on Denver's roster currently even though hes not quite a stopper.
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plumlee got the blazers a first in this years draft? how is that possible?
"a first" is a fairly meaningless concept. A late #1 isnt super valuable. Teams used to sell them for cash before the league banned it. Though #1s have become more valuable in the modern NBA, where starters play less.
Why is Denver trading for a center?
I think Faried might be on the move. Plumlee pretty much brings the same skills as Faried but without the size flaws and is a good passer.
Totally agree with you on the late first concept, but you don't give up any first and a young player that's cost controlled for a RFA unless that player fits in your plans somehow.
Gallo or Chandler could be on the move as well.
Derrick Rose and some 2nds for Mudiay. Get it done.
I saw something about Chandler being unhappy and wanting a trade. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go.
You mean DJ Wilson on Michigan?
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time watching him play but is DJ Davis not a pro-prospect? I don't see him listed on DX but good size and active.
You mean DJ Wilson on Michigan?
Yeah sorry, DJ Wilson. Looks pretty agile for a guy listed at 6'10. Blocks shots. He's not even listed on DX's mock. Just a good game?
Zak Irvin is another good michigan senior. Can step up in the NBA like Caris Lavert. Has size, some shooting a playmaking.
Zak Irvin is another good michigan senior. Can step up in the NBA like Caris Lavert. Has size, some shooting a playmaking.
I'm just casually watching (admittedly I watch very little college basketball outside of the tourney/specifically watching games of the top prospects but he looks interesting enough in the way Taj Gibson does. He's active, tall and has shot the ball well. Totally understood this may be an outlier, mostly was just impressed with how well he moved.
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but he's 6'10 can block shots and shoot 3s so I don't see why he wouldn't get a look whenever he enters.
Zak Irvin is another good michigan senior. Can step up in the NBA like Caris Lavert. Has size, some shooting a playmaking.
I'm just casually watching (admittedly I watch very little college basketball outside of the tourney/specifically watching games of the top prospects but he looks interesting enough in the way Taj Gibson does. He's active, tall and has shot the ball well. Totally understood this may be an outlier, mostly was just impressed with how well he moved.
To be honest I've not heard of him before today but he's shooting 40% from 3 on the year. Michigans had a good track record with upper class men recently (at least on court wise) with Lavert and Mcgary.
Would you trade Rose for Turner and Ezeli for 2 1st round picks from Portland?
Good, let him start rest of season
The expectation is that Latrell Sprewell, long at odds with Jim Dolan, will attend today's Knick game as an NYK guest, as @FisolaNYDN said.
Turners contract is very, very, very bad. Ezeli at least expires after next season. Don't know what better use for cap space there is at this point.
Would help the tanking cause even though he has the appearance of being a decent vet.
Don't do this dep...not today...
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That's highway robbery for Portland. Nurkic is a solid center and that 1st round pick is not going to be a lottery pick so tough to get a good player out of that spot
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Denver is trading center Jusuf Nurkic to Portland, league sources tell the @TheVertical.
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Portland sends Mason Plumlee a 2018 second round pick for Nurkic and a 2017 first-rounder (via Memphis), league sources tell @TheVertical
That's highway robbery for Portland. Nurkic is a solid center and that 1st round pick is not going to be a lottery pick so tough to get a good player out of that spot
Nurkic has been a scrub this year...
"@HPbasketball But I get what DEN is doing, and they get the best player in the deal. People just slow realizing how bad Nurk has been."
Tommy dee also still thinks blatt will be head coach..
he has 1 source and it is someone close to david lee and thats it
Plumlee wiill probably guard 4s on defense and Jokic plays on the perimeter on offense. I think Denver is safey the 8th seed now (not that it means anything).
the last game he played, he was so god awful - so maybe a little mental rest?
Horney listened.
because when kuz has a bad game he is benched for 10 games..
when thomas has a bad game he is benched for a quarter
Cant have Melo guard Leonard.
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why does he play again?
Cant have Melo guard Leonard.
i would rather you guard leonard than lance thomas
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why does he play again?
Cant have Melo guard Leonard.
i would rather you guard leonard than lance thomas
I think me, you, deej, giantsfan, and keith can defend better than the knicks.
Leonard, James, Durant. That order.
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really should be MVP. 2 way beast.
Leonard, James, Durant. That order.
But Harden is going to win it.
As he just buries a 18 foooter!!
His mid range game has actuallly been good the last few games.
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is also so upsetting to watch. He clearly still has the burst and so much talent. But he's such a bad shooter, passer and defender, that he kills you when he isnt making those awesome drives to the rim.
As he just buries a 18 foooter!!
His mid range game has actuallly been good the last few games.
Right but he only gets that shot off an iso, and a pull up midrange isn't typically a very efficient shot. I wonder if we'd be thinking differently of him if Melo wasn't there doing pretty much the exact same thing.
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why does he play again?
Cant have Melo guard Leonard.
i would rather you guard leonard than lance thomas
I think me, you, deej, giantsfan, and keith can defend better than the knicks.
i dunno dep, i was never much of a defender i was more of the shooter and slasher
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is also so upsetting to watch. He clearly still has the burst and so much talent. But he's such a bad shooter, passer and defender, that he kills you when he isnt making those awesome drives to the rim.
As he just buries a 18 foooter!!
His mid range game has actuallly been good the last few games.
Right but he only gets that shot off an iso, and a pull up midrange isn't typically a very efficient shot. I wonder if we'd be thinking differently of him if Melo wasn't there doing pretty much the exact same thing.
I got ya. It was a good shot with the bulls because he didnt have anything else. But with a couple shooters, he shouldnt have to rely on it unless its to beat the shotclock.
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is also so upsetting to watch. He clearly still has the burst and so much talent. But he's such a bad shooter, passer and defender, that he kills you when he isnt making those awesome drives to the rim.
As he just buries a 18 foooter!!
His mid range game has actuallly been good the last few games.
Right but he only gets that shot off an iso, and a pull up midrange isn't typically a very efficient shot. I wonder if we'd be thinking differently of him if Melo wasn't there doing pretty much the exact same thing.
i think he would be better at the 2 with a distributor at the 1...
he is better when he is just attacking not having to worry about distributing..
Look at what Philly got in the Sac deal. Yes, a very favorable deal for Philly. But compare that $$ and get to this NYK-POR proposal. They're not in the same world.
Hey boss, we just took on 50 million of Evan Turner. But good news, we got some non-lottery picks!
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why does he play again?
Cant have Melo guard Leonard.
i would rather you guard leonard than lance thomas
I think me, you, deej, giantsfan, and keith can defend better than the knicks.
I've been called "a mean Grayson Allen"
i would take gallo back
I said this on a bunch of threads -- the best thing for a Melo/Love trade is a Love injury. Though knees are scary -- if he's going to miss playoff games from a pre-Presidents Day knee injury, it could be serious.
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team not discussing results. Usually not a good thing for the player. Love going down for a few months could change things.
I said this on a bunch of threads -- the best thing for a Melo/Love trade is a Love injury. Though knees are scary -- if he's going to miss playoff games from a pre-Presidents Day knee injury, it could be serious.
would you still do it knowing there is a big risk you may not be able to flip him if he misses rest of the seasom and teams are wary to trade for him in off season..
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team not discussing results. Usually not a good thing for the player. Love going down for a few months could change things.
I said this on a bunch of threads -- the best thing for a Melo/Love trade is a Love injury. Though knees are scary -- if he's going to miss playoff games from a pre-Presidents Day knee injury, it could be serious.
would you still do it knowing there is a big risk you may not be able to flip him if he misses rest of the seasom and teams are wary to trade for him in off season..
There will be a market for Love next year. He's not a guy we need to be in a rush to trade, either.
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team not discussing results. Usually not a good thing for the player. Love going down for a few months could change things.
I said this on a bunch of threads -- the best thing for a Melo/Love trade is a Love injury. Though knees are scary -- if he's going to miss playoff games from a pre-Presidents Day knee injury, it could be serious.
would you still do it knowing there is a big risk you may not be able to flip him if he misses rest of the seasom and teams are wary to trade for him in off season..
Really would depend on the injury for me, but assuming we think it's something he comes back from 100% within 4-5 months at the latest, yes.
Was literally about to type the same thing.
hubie brown is awesome
dont worry not the only one...
i am loke this every game, if they lose i say ok they lost but during game i am rooting hard for a win
And the Spurs get the ball back. Unreal.
Joke
This almost happened.
Absofuckinglutely.
Nailed it.
Someone said Rose would be a good fit for the Spurs. I know he has defense issues, but my god are the Spurs guards bad.
But no matter what Spurs add, they ain't beating Golden State. Nobody is beating them.
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Today. Book it.
Nailed it.
And i told you...not today dep!
I'll spin zone it. Good to know we can get solid production from our young guys against top tier teams.
Still don't think we get more than 30 wins this year
Someone said Rose would be a good fit for the Spurs. I know he has defense issues, but my god are the Spurs guards bad.
Me! I said that!
Someone like goran dragic would be an ideal fit but Derrick Rose would be an upgrade no doubt.
Nothing against him but he doesn't strike me as someone that would watch extensive film on the Knicks.
Add in Davis Bertans
Yes because Parker is such a stud these days.
And that's not to say they will trade for rose, but he is a massive upgrade over Tony parker.
Regardless of that, how does he fit the actual Spurs system?
Regardless of that, how does he fit the actual Spurs system?
OK mills can back up rose. Rose is a player who can play in a pick n roll system quite easily. They have no one who can get the ball to the basket. And let's not act like Parker is some lock down defender.
But you're right, no one is beating the warriors. So why try and improve.
Let's add patty mills to the list of overrated players in the league.
But you're right, no one is beating the warriors. So why try and improve.
Let's add patty mills to the list of overrated players in the league.
So they should move the offense away from their MVP candidate to make Rose fit? And Patty Mills is the overrated one?
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Pick n roll would be the staple. And the Spurs still don't have 1 player who can penetrate or breaking down a defense.
But you're right, no one is beating the warriors. So why try and improve.
Let's add patty mills to the list of overrated players in the league.
So they should move the offense away from their MVP candidate to make Rose fit? And Patty Mills is the overrated one?
Last time I checked leonard isn't a point guard. And he's not a Russ or harden where he has the ball in his hands every possession.
If you think patty mills is better than derrick rose, yes you are over rating him. He's a spot up shooter. He's more of a 2 guard at this juncture. The Spurs do not have a single guard now who can break down a defense and get easy buckets.