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giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 10:57 am
Slide continues. Dallas jumps ahead of NY in the standings, currently the Knicks would be picking 8th.

Great college BB day. Lots of mediocre performances, a few great ones.

-Monk had 17 but on 15 shots.

-Fox had a clunker 3/12 shooting 7 points and 3 assists

-Smith Jr had 17 and 3 assists on 7/13

-Kennard had 25 points. Much more than a spot up shooter. If Buddy Hield went top 10 last year (although a poor draft) I think Kennard will absolutely be a first rounder at the very least.

-Meh days for Tatum, Isaac, and Markannen on offense at least.

Notable performance: Josh Jackson 31 points 11 rebounds 4 assists. 12/15 and 2/4 from 3. I watched the KU game, that was incredible. I was skeptical of Josh Jackson being a top pick but after watching him take over after frank Mason fouled out spoke volumes.

His defensive performance replicated his offense performance. He was flying around, causing deflections and had a key steal late. Oh and he played all 40 minutes... (but self said he came out for 20 seconds so there's that). He going to be a 2 guard in the mold of Iggy in the NBA I think. Surely doesn't play to his build.
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A top 5 pick  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 10:59 am : link
Will guarantee us one of Ball, Smith, Jackson and Isaac.

Wouldn't ever encourage intentionally tanking games against Orlando and Philly...but you know. An Orlando win has screwed with our chances in the past.
I'm dreaming but  
Earl the goat : 2/12/2017 11:04 am : link
Wouldn't it be a miracle if Ainge caves in and trades for Melo and we get Nets pick
Could possibly have 2 picks in top 10
RE: A top 5 pick  
dpinzow : 2/12/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13357932 giantsfan44ab said:
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Will guarantee us one of Ball, Smith, Jackson and Isaac.

Wouldn't ever encourage intentionally tanking games against Orlando and Philly...but you know. An Orlando win has screwed with our chances in the past.


I'd love Monk to be there. Lonzo is probably going 1st or 2nd overall but Monk is the next best pro in my opinion and he could be there at 8
the best thing for this franchise  
PhilSimms15 : 2/12/2017 11:07 am : link
at this point is definitely to lose. Getting a top 5 pick would add another blue chip prospect to KP and I'd assume in the offseason Melo will be willing to open up his options to other teams. Thus, the Knicks could pull back young players/draft picks.

Also, no more signing 30-year old vet FA who either are passed their best years or never had best years. Build through the draft, carefully sign high quality role players and target the 2-3 years for rebuilding.

By year 4, this young team could be ready to compete.
RE: RE: A top 5 pick  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 11:09 am : link
In comment 13357938 dpinzow said:
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Will guarantee us one of Ball, Smith, Jackson and Isaac.

Wouldn't ever encourage intentionally tanking games against Orlando and Philly...but you know. An Orlando win has screwed with our chances in the past.



I'd love Monk to be there. Lonzo is probably going 1st or 2nd overall but Monk is the next best pro in my opinion and he could be there at 8


Monks going to be an elite scorer no doubt, but all of those guys have legit 2 way potential...which is desperately what this team needs. Best way to help KP and Willy on defense is giving them less to worry with on help defense.
Embiid reportedly has a "minor meniscus tear."  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2017 11:11 am : link
We worry about KP's durability - Embiid is held together with duct tape.
I haven't watched in awhile.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/12/2017 11:12 am : link
I cannot take talented teams/players that underperform. Now, when Porzingis was a rookie the best part about him was his defense. He only really seemed to be lacking against power players who could out muscle him. His length gave a lot of opponents fits and his help defense was amazing. Has he gotten better, worse, or stayed the same?
Monk makes a lot more sense for Philly  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 11:12 am : link
than pretty much every other team picking that high. It's like the cowboys and the zeke pick. If the Jags took zeke then it would've been dumb and he wouldn't have the success he had.

Monk is someone who is going to have to guard 1s in the NBA but won't give you playmaking. Then comes Philly with Ben Simmons.

Wouldn't be against the pick at all but I'm looking at defense as much as offense with whoever we pick in this draft.
RE: I haven't watched in awhile.  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13357945 robbieballs2003 said:
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I cannot take talented teams/players that underperform. Now, when Porzingis was a rookie the best part about him was his defense. He only really seemed to be lacking against power players who could out muscle him. His length gave a lot of opponents fits and his help defense was amazing. Has he gotten better, worse, or stayed the same?


I'd say stay the same. He still gets bullied by bigger guys (he's absolutely not a center at this stage in his career...look what happened when Jokic guarded him) and misses rotations and has stupid fouls. But he does show flashes of weak side help on defense. His length bails him out a lot.

Also it probably looks worse but at least he had robin Lopez playing about 30 mpg last year. Noah hasn't played in a while and he plays like 22 minutes tops when he does play. That certainly doesn't put KP in a good spot.
giantsfan44ab  
robbieballs2003 : 2/12/2017 11:18 am : link
Thanks. I look at the box scores and it is beyond embarrassing how many points they have given up. It makes me want to hire Mike Fratello. Lol.
The difference between  
Jon in NYC : 2/12/2017 11:27 am : link
taking someone like Dennis Smith Jr and De'Aaron Fox could be monumental for the team. Lose lose lose!
Obviously Smith is better than Fox, but Fox is no scrub.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/12/2017 11:41 am : link
Fox is probably the fastest player with the ball in this draft and he's a good defender. While his 3 point shooting is abysmal, he's actually a solid free throw shooter.

Fox as a consolation prize isn't so bad. But yes, I would like the Knicks to get into top 4 position.
RE: The difference between  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 11:48 am : link
In comment 13357957 Jon in NYC said:
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taking someone like Dennis Smith Jr and De'Aaron Fox could be monumental for the team. Lose lose lose!


I still like Fox as much as Smith.
Agree  
Giantfootball025 : 2/12/2017 11:55 am : link
on Fox, but only because Smith has had the knee injury. Other then that both are phenomenal players.
Fox is absolutely no scrub  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 12:01 pm : link
Smith is just insane. Shooting, passing, driving.
RE: Fox is absolutely no scrub  
Jon in NYC : 2/12/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13357985 giantsfan44ab said:
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Smith is just insane. Shooting, passing, driving.


This. Smith reminds me a lot of Kyle Lowry. Fox more like Dennis Schroder. That's the difference between solid starter and All Star.
Looked at the nyk next 18 games  
The_Boss : 2/12/2017 12:45 pm : link
(Until the visit the Spurs, today's opponent)

At first glance, a few games they might win are games vs Philly, Orlando, and the Nets. Maybe the best they can hope for is 6-12 in this stretch.
RE: Looked at the nyk next 18 games  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13358020 The_Boss said:
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(Until the visit the Spurs, today's opponent)

At first glance, a few games they might win are games vs Philly, Orlando, and the Nets. Maybe the best they can hope for is 6-12 in this stretch.


I think even that's prettt optimistic. Both Orlando games are away. One philly and one Nets game is away (though I can't see losing to the Nets). I'm giving them 7 more wins the rest of the year.
RE: Looked at the nyk next 18 games  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13358020 The_Boss said:
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(Until the visit the Spurs, today's opponent)

At first glance, a few games they might win are games vs Philly, Orlando, and the Nets. Maybe the best they can hope for is 6-12 in this stretch.


good
Nurkic to the Blazers  
Anakim : 2/12/2017 1:18 pm : link
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
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Denver is trading center Jusuf Nurkic to Portland, league sources tell the @TheVertical.
RE: Nurkic to the Blazers  
Anakim : 2/12/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13358029 Anakim said:
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
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Denver is trading center Jusuf Nurkic to Portland, league sources tell the @TheVertical.


Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
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Portland sends Mason Plumlee a 2018 second round pick for Nurkic and a 2017 first-rounder (via Memphis), league sources tell @TheVertical
RE: RE: Nurkic to the Blazers  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13358033 Anakim said:
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojVerticalNBA

Denver is trading center Jusuf Nurkic to Portland, league sources tell the @TheVertical.



Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojVerticalNBA

Portland sends Mason Plumlee a 2018 second round pick for Nurkic and a 2017 first-rounder (via Memphis), league sources tell @TheVertical


Well fuck my fantasy team. I didn't even play fantasy basketball but my friend told me he needed help on his so why not. Find out he cut Jokic at the start of the season and now Plumlee is going to be his backup.
wait did i see that right?  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 1:41 pm : link
plumlee got the blazers a first in this years draft? how is that possible?
I wish Boston would trade us the Nets pick  
DennyInDenville : 2/12/2017 1:48 pm : link
We can give Melo, Lee, Rose anyone they want KOQ

Anyone outside of KP and and Willy they can gut us for that pick and I'd take bad contracts too!!!

Having two top picks would be so amazing



Worst case scenario I would definitely trade Melo for
The Clippers 2021 first round pick, I'm sure by then they will be a lottery team.
RE: wait did i see that right?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13358047 nygiants16 said:
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plumlee got the blazers a first in this years draft? how is that possible?


I think it was Denvers late pick. Plumlees a decent rotational player, probably something you'd hope for at the end of the first. But Denver has $20M committed to Faried and Arthur, has to resign Danilo (who plays some 4), has Chandler (another small ball 4) and Plumlee is a restricted FA. Oh an Jokic will command a max deal in 2 years. Not sure what the end game is with denver.
Jackson  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 1:55 pm : link
Poked incredible yesterday flaws and all
RE: wait did i see that right?  
Deej : 2/12/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13358047 nygiants16 said:
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plumlee got the blazers a first in this years draft? how is that possible?


"a first" is a fairly meaningless concept. A late #1 isnt super valuable. Teams used to sell them for cash before the league banned it. Though #1s have become more valuable in the modern NBA, where starters play less.

Why is Denver trading for a center?
RE: RE: wait did i see that right?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13358058 Deej said:
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plumlee got the blazers a first in this years draft? how is that possible?



"a first" is a fairly meaningless concept. A late #1 isnt super valuable. Teams used to sell them for cash before the league banned it. Though #1s have become more valuable in the modern NBA, where starters play less.

Why is Denver trading for a center?


I think Faried might be on the move. Plumlee pretty much brings the same skills as Faried but without the size flaws and is a good passer.

Totally agree with you on the late first concept, but you don't give up any first and a young player that's cost controlled for a RFA unless that player fits in your plans somehow.

Gallo or Chandler could be on the move as well.

Derrick Rose and some 2nds for Mudiay. Get it done.
Just some thoughts  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 2:27 pm : link
but watching Jokic play, it seems Denver is really intent on him running the offense. He usually sets up at the top of the key/high block. They probably want Plumlee to be the one setting screens off the ball, and he'll likely find the open shooter off screen and rolls.

Plus he won't get overpowered by PFs on defense and probably offers better rim protection than anyone on Denver's roster currently even though hes not quite a stopper.
RE: RE: RE: wait did i see that right?  
Eli Wilson : 2/12/2017 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13358059 giantsfan44ab said:
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plumlee got the blazers a first in this years draft? how is that possible?



"a first" is a fairly meaningless concept. A late #1 isnt super valuable. Teams used to sell them for cash before the league banned it. Though #1s have become more valuable in the modern NBA, where starters play less.

Why is Denver trading for a center?



I think Faried might be on the move. Plumlee pretty much brings the same skills as Faried but without the size flaws and is a good passer.

Totally agree with you on the late first concept, but you don't give up any first and a young player that's cost controlled for a RFA unless that player fits in your plans somehow.

Gallo or Chandler could be on the move as well.

Derrick Rose and some 2nds for Mudiay. Get it done.


I saw something about Chandler being unhappy and wanting a trade. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go.
First  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 2:49 pm : link
time watching him play but is DJ Davis not a pro-prospect? I don't see him listed on DX but good size and active.
RE: First  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13358094 DanMetroMan said:
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time watching him play but is DJ Davis not a pro-prospect? I don't see him listed on DX but good size and active.


You mean DJ Wilson on Michigan?
RE: RE: First  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13358097 giantsfan44ab said:
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time watching him play but is DJ Davis not a pro-prospect? I don't see him listed on DX but good size and active.



You mean DJ Wilson on Michigan?


Yeah sorry, DJ Wilson. Looks pretty agile for a guy listed at 6'10. Blocks shots. He's not even listed on DX's mock. Just a good game?
Jokic and Plumlee  
brunswick : 2/12/2017 2:59 pm : link
2 really good passing bigs. Like the deal for Denver but think Nurkic will be a nice player
Think being a junior hurts him  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 3:00 pm : link
but he's 6'10 can block shots and shoot 3s so I don't see why he wouldn't get a look whenever he enters.

Zak Irvin is another good michigan senior. Can step up in the NBA like Caris Lavert. Has size, some shooting a playmaking.
RE: Think being a junior hurts him  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13358104 giantsfan44ab said:
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but he's 6'10 can block shots and shoot 3s so I don't see why he wouldn't get a look whenever he enters.

Zak Irvin is another good michigan senior. Can step up in the NBA like Caris Lavert. Has size, some shooting a playmaking.


I'm just casually watching (admittedly I watch very little college basketball outside of the tourney/specifically watching games of the top prospects but he looks interesting enough in the way Taj Gibson does. He's active, tall and has shot the ball well. Totally understood this may be an outlier, mostly was just impressed with how well he moved.
Willy  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:10 pm : link
starting tonight
Love  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:13 pm : link
to miss time with a knee issue... so Knicks? lol
RE: RE: Think being a junior hurts him  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13358107 DanMetroMan said:
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but he's 6'10 can block shots and shoot 3s so I don't see why he wouldn't get a look whenever he enters.

Zak Irvin is another good michigan senior. Can step up in the NBA like Caris Lavert. Has size, some shooting a playmaking.



I'm just casually watching (admittedly I watch very little college basketball outside of the tourney/specifically watching games of the top prospects but he looks interesting enough in the way Taj Gibson does. He's active, tall and has shot the ball well. Totally understood this may be an outlier, mostly was just impressed with how well he moved.


To be honest I've not heard of him before today but he's shooting 40% from 3 on the year. Michigans had a good track record with upper class men recently (at least on court wise) with Lavert and Mcgary.
Portland apparently acquiring picks to get salary cap  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 3:17 pm : link
relief.

Would you trade Rose for Turner and Ezeli for 2 1st round picks from Portland?
RE: Willy  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13358114 DanMetroMan said:
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starting tonight


Good, let him start rest of season
Lolz  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:19 pm : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 24s24 seconds ago
The expectation is that Latrell Sprewell, long at odds with Jim Dolan, will attend today's Knick game as an NYK guest, as @FisolaNYDN said.
How fucking shameless.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2017 3:21 pm : link
Hope we lose by 50 today. Oakley chants, three quarters of booing from the fans - total chaos. One last push to get Melo out the door.
Hey guys Spree and Dolan!  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:23 pm : link
The 2 first rounders would be  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 3:25 pm : link
from Memphis and Cleveland.

Turners contract is very, very, very bad. Ezeli at least expires after next season. Don't know what better use for cap space there is at this point.
Turner  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:27 pm : link
would be booed out of the garden. Ugly game and huge contract... perfect target for Knicks fans.
RE: Turner  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13358130 DanMetroMan said:
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would be booed out of the garden. Ugly game and huge contract... perfect target for Knicks fans.


Would help the tanking cause even though he has the appearance of being a decent vet.
Willy  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:31 pm : link
vs. The Undertaker tonight is a good time to start him. I like Dedmon a lot (I mention him often) but limited offensive game. I saw a bunch of people on twitter shitting on Willy vs. Jokic but I think part of that is people have been somewhat slow to realize how good Jokic is. Guy is a STUD offensive player. I mean if you take defensive out of the equation, how many bigs have more talent offensively in the entire league?
Knicks are winning  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 3:33 pm : link
Today. Book it.
RE: Knicks are winning  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13358135 dep026 said:
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Today. Book it.


Don't do this dep...not today...
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