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giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 10:57 am
Slide continues. Dallas jumps ahead of NY in the standings, currently the Knicks would be picking 8th.

Great college BB day. Lots of mediocre performances, a few great ones.

-Monk had 17 but on 15 shots.

-Fox had a clunker 3/12 shooting 7 points and 3 assists

-Smith Jr had 17 and 3 assists on 7/13

-Kennard had 25 points. Much more than a spot up shooter. If Buddy Hield went top 10 last year (although a poor draft) I think Kennard will absolutely be a first rounder at the very least.

-Meh days for Tatum, Isaac, and Markannen on offense at least.

Notable performance: Josh Jackson 31 points 11 rebounds 4 assists. 12/15 and 2/4 from 3. I watched the KU game, that was incredible. I was skeptical of Josh Jackson being a top pick but after watching him take over after frank Mason fouled out spoke volumes.

His defensive performance replicated his offense performance. He was flying around, causing deflections and had a key steal late. Oh and he played all 40 minutes... (but self said he came out for 20 seconds so there's that). He going to be a 2 guard in the mold of Iggy in the NBA I think. Surely doesn't play to his build.
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RE: RE: Nurkic to the Blazers  
dpinzow : 2/12/2017 3:37 pm : link
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
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Denver is trading center Jusuf Nurkic to Portland, league sources tell the @TheVertical.



Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
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Portland sends Mason Plumlee a 2018 second round pick for Nurkic and a 2017 first-rounder (via Memphis), league sources tell @TheVertical


That's highway robbery for Portland. Nurkic is a solid center and that 1st round pick is not going to be a lottery pick so tough to get a good player out of that spot
A  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:45 pm : link
Knick I previously loved but now a little bitch, Larry Johnson claimed he was going to boycott MSG... is sitting next to Spree today. Pussy
Spike wearing his Oakley jersey.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2017 3:47 pm : link
Nice touch.
RE: RE: RE: Nurkic to the Blazers  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13358139 dpinzow said:
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
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Denver is trading center Jusuf Nurkic to Portland, league sources tell the @TheVertical.



Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojVerticalNBA

Portland sends Mason Plumlee a 2018 second round pick for Nurkic and a 2017 first-rounder (via Memphis), league sources tell @TheVertical



That's highway robbery for Portland. Nurkic is a solid center and that 1st round pick is not going to be a lottery pick so tough to get a good player out of that spot


Nurkic has been a scrub this year...
Tommy  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 3:51 pm : link
Dee claims Melo/Rose do not like each other.
@ZachLowe_NBA  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 3:52 pm : link
"@HPbasketball @talkhoops People don't seem to realize how bad Nurkic has been."

"@HPbasketball But I get what DEN is doing, and they get the best player in the deal. People just slow realizing how bad Nurk has been."
What a weak  
JoeMoney19 : 2/12/2017 3:53 pm : link
fucking week.
Hornbeck will bitch  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 3:56 pm : link
About the 2nd team now... holy crow.
Melo caught walking around  
adamg : 2/12/2017 3:57 pm : link
He's such an embarrassing #1.
RE: Tommy  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13358148 DanMetroMan said:
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Dee claims Melo/Rose do not like each other.


Tommy dee also still thinks blatt will be head coach..

he has 1 source and it is someone close to david lee and thats it
Not saying Nurk isn't talented  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 4:01 pm : link
But outside Draymond, Nurkic and Plumlee have arguably been the next best passing big men in the league.

Plumlee wiill probably guard 4s on defense and Jokic plays on the perimeter on offense. I think Denver is safey the 8th seed now (not that it means anything).
I now know why  
giantsfan44ab : 2/12/2017 4:07 pm : link
Holiday never passes the ball.
Is Kuz injured?  
Eli Wilson : 2/12/2017 4:08 pm : link
Or just being benched? Didn't play last game at all and not out with the 2nd unit today.
RE: Is Kuz injured?  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 4:08 pm : link
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Or just being benched? Didn't play last game at all and not out with the 2nd unit today.


the last game he played, he was so god awful - so maybe a little mental rest?
KOQ needs to hit the bench  
adamg : 2/12/2017 4:11 pm : link
If he's not going to take wide open shots.
RE: KOQ needs to hit the bench  
adamg : 2/12/2017 4:12 pm : link
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If he's not going to take wide open shots.


Horney listened.
RE: Is Kuz injured?  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 4:14 pm : link
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Or just being benched? Didn't play last game at all and not out with the 2nd unit today.


because when kuz has a bad game he is benched for 10 games..

when thomas has a bad game he is benched for a quarter
yay lance thomas back in  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 4:19 pm : link
why does he play again?
RE: yay lance thomas back in  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 4:20 pm : link
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why does he play again?


Cant have Melo guard Leonard.
Leonard  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 4:21 pm : link
really should be MVP. 2 way beast.
These announcers suck  
adamg : 2/12/2017 4:21 pm : link
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RE: RE: yay lance thomas back in  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 4:22 pm : link
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why does he play again?



Cant have Melo guard Leonard.


i would rather you guard leonard than lance thomas
Lance with his patented foot-on-the-line two pointer.  
bceagle05 : 2/12/2017 4:22 pm : link
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lance thomas special  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 4:23 pm : link
foot on the line long 2
I dont  
Jon in NYC : 2/12/2017 4:24 pm : link
watch a ton of the NBA outside the Knicks, so it's always fun to me to see guys like Kawhi just go buck fucking wild. He's so damn good.
RE: RE: RE: yay lance thomas back in  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 4:24 pm : link
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why does he play again?



Cant have Melo guard Leonard.



i would rather you guard leonard than lance thomas


I think me, you, deej, giantsfan, and keith can defend better than the knicks.
RE: Leonard  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 4:25 pm : link
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really should be MVP. 2 way beast.


Leonard, James, Durant. That order.
RE: RE: Leonard  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 4:25 pm : link
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really should be MVP. 2 way beast.



Leonard, James, Durant. That order.


But Harden is going to win it.
Rose  
Jon in NYC : 2/12/2017 4:27 pm : link
is also so upsetting to watch. He clearly still has the burst and so much talent. But he's such a bad shooter, passer and defender, that he kills you when he isnt making those awesome drives to the rim.
RE: Rose  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 4:28 pm : link
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is also so upsetting to watch. He clearly still has the burst and so much talent. But he's such a bad shooter, passer and defender, that he kills you when he isnt making those awesome drives to the rim.


As he just buries a 18 foooter!!

His mid range game has actuallly been good the last few games.
Rose blows by Kawahi  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 4:31 pm : link
wow.
RE: RE: Rose  
Jon in NYC : 2/12/2017 4:31 pm : link
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is also so upsetting to watch. He clearly still has the burst and so much talent. But he's such a bad shooter, passer and defender, that he kills you when he isnt making those awesome drives to the rim.



As he just buries a 18 foooter!!

His mid range game has actuallly been good the last few games.


Right but he only gets that shot off an iso, and a pull up midrange isn't typically a very efficient shot. I wonder if we'd be thinking differently of him if Melo wasn't there doing pretty much the exact same thing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: yay lance thomas back in  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 4:31 pm : link
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why does he play again?



Cant have Melo guard Leonard.



i would rather you guard leonard than lance thomas



I think me, you, deej, giantsfan, and keith can defend better than the knicks.


i dunno dep, i was never much of a defender i was more of the shooter and slasher
RE: RE: RE: Rose  
dep026 : 2/12/2017 4:32 pm : link
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is also so upsetting to watch. He clearly still has the burst and so much talent. But he's such a bad shooter, passer and defender, that he kills you when he isnt making those awesome drives to the rim.



As he just buries a 18 foooter!!

His mid range game has actuallly been good the last few games.



Right but he only gets that shot off an iso, and a pull up midrange isn't typically a very efficient shot. I wonder if we'd be thinking differently of him if Melo wasn't there doing pretty much the exact same thing.


I got ya. It was a good shot with the bulls because he didnt have anything else. But with a couple shooters, he shouldnt have to rely on it unless its to beat the shotclock.
RE: RE: RE: Rose  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 4:33 pm : link
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is also so upsetting to watch. He clearly still has the burst and so much talent. But he's such a bad shooter, passer and defender, that he kills you when he isnt making those awesome drives to the rim.



As he just buries a 18 foooter!!

His mid range game has actuallly been good the last few games.



Right but he only gets that shot off an iso, and a pull up midrange isn't typically a very efficient shot. I wonder if we'd be thinking differently of him if Melo wasn't there doing pretty much the exact same thing.


i think he would be better at the 2 with a distributor at the 1...

he is better when he is just attacking not having to worry about distributing..
Turner and Festus for two non-lottery #1s?  
Deej : 2/12/2017 4:44 pm : link
What a horrible value for the Knicks. People here grossly overrate late #1s.

Look at what Philly got in the Sac deal. Yes, a very favorable deal for Philly. But compare that $$ and get to this NYK-POR proposal. They're not in the same world.

Hey boss, we just took on 50 million of Evan Turner. But good news, we got some non-lottery picks!
RE: RE: RE: RE: yay lance thomas back in  
Deej : 2/12/2017 4:48 pm : link
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why does he play again?



Cant have Melo guard Leonard.



i would rather you guard leonard than lance thomas



I think me, you, deej, giantsfan, and keith can defend better than the knicks.


I've been called "a mean Grayson Allen"
Hubie making a huge point  
Deej : 2/12/2017 4:49 pm : link
new staff, 10 new players, 5 undrafteds. But we'll repeat the problem next season. Which Im fine with because I want a rebuild, but I dont think Dolan/Phil do.
Hernangomez!  
dpinzow : 2/12/2017 4:55 pm : link
We might have something with this guy
Willy  
B in ALB : 2/12/2017 4:56 pm : link
Took about 7 steps there. Haha. Nice play.
I can't stand that after every FT, hit or miss, players have to tap  
yatqb : 2/12/2017 5:02 pm : link
hands with each other. WTF? What a stupid ritual.
George  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 5:05 pm : link
Hill for an MVP/HOF caliber talent, and Davis Bartens (solid rookie season granted very limited minutes, stretch big shooting 40% from 3)... eek
I love listening to  
Keith : 2/12/2017 5:05 pm : link
Hubie.
Clippers  
DanMetroMan : 2/12/2017 5:06 pm : link
are in on Gallo, could it possibly be part of a Melo megadeal? Return of Gallo?
Love had an MRI,  
Keith : 2/12/2017 5:07 pm : link
team not discussing results. Usually not a good thing for the player. Love going down for a few months could change things.
RE: Clippers  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13358244 DanMetroMan said:
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are in on Gallo, could it possibly be part of a Melo megadeal? Return of Gallo?


i would take gallo back
RE: Love had an MRI,  
Deej : 2/12/2017 5:14 pm : link
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team not discussing results. Usually not a good thing for the player. Love going down for a few months could change things.


I said this on a bunch of threads -- the best thing for a Melo/Love trade is a Love injury. Though knees are scary -- if he's going to miss playoff games from a pre-Presidents Day knee injury, it could be serious.

RE: RE: Love had an MRI,  
nygiants16 : 2/12/2017 5:22 pm : link
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team not discussing results. Usually not a good thing for the player. Love going down for a few months could change things.



I said this on a bunch of threads -- the best thing for a Melo/Love trade is a Love injury. Though knees are scary -- if he's going to miss playoff games from a pre-Presidents Day knee injury, it could be serious.


would you still do it knowing there is a big risk you may not be able to flip him if he misses rest of the seasom and teams are wary to trade for him in off season..
RE: RE: RE: Love had an MRI,  
Jon in NYC : 2/12/2017 5:23 pm : link
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team not discussing results. Usually not a good thing for the player. Love going down for a few months could change things.



I said this on a bunch of threads -- the best thing for a Melo/Love trade is a Love injury. Though knees are scary -- if he's going to miss playoff games from a pre-Presidents Day knee injury, it could be serious.




would you still do it knowing there is a big risk you may not be able to flip him if he misses rest of the seasom and teams are wary to trade for him in off season..


There will be a market for Love next year. He's not a guy we need to be in a rush to trade, either.
RE: RE: RE: Love had an MRI,  
Keith : 2/12/2017 5:25 pm : link
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team not discussing results. Usually not a good thing for the player. Love going down for a few months could change things.



I said this on a bunch of threads -- the best thing for a Melo/Love trade is a Love injury. Though knees are scary -- if he's going to miss playoff games from a pre-Presidents Day knee injury, it could be serious.




would you still do it knowing there is a big risk you may not be able to flip him if he misses rest of the seasom and teams are wary to trade for him in off season..


Really would depend on the injury for me, but assuming we think it's something he comes back from 100% within 4-5 months at the latest, yes.
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