Is Eli a HOFer?

In comment 13358422 k-five said:

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is not a way of proving Eli belongs in the HOF. Warner was an first team All-Pro 2 times, 4 times overall (Eli 0). Warner was a 2 time NFL MVP (Eli 0). He was voted to the Pro Bowl 4 times (Eli 2, he was an alternate in to others). So, by saying if Kurt Warner made the HOF so should Eli, I don't know if one has much of an argument

The only thing in that list that is impressive is the MVPs. Pro Bowls? Seriously?

Having said that, Warner's career is completely disjointed. He arrived out of no where playing great, then disappeared for a time period, before reemerging with the Cardinals.

He's very tough to evaluate...........

For as much as we love to dismiss others' opinion by saying "who gives a fxxk what others think" ... well, fair or not, the Hall of Fame voting is ALL about -- and ONLY about -- what others think of a particular player.

So do we have a clue on how others -- experts, his peers, the general NFL fans -- think of Eli? He's been voted Super Bowl MVP twice. He's been voted to the Pro Bowl twice in 13 years. He's never been voted to the All-Pro, 1st or 2nd team. On several years he's been voted so low on the "NFL's top 100 players" list by his peers that led to outrage and ridicule on this forum.

So when it comes to HOF, the ultimate decision on how others think of a player, Eli will likely get in, but it likely will be a long wait, with some favorable circumstances needing to align in that particular year.

In comment 13358437 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 13358424 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: They are going to give him the Strahan NY Bias treatment and put him in 2nd Ballot almost unanimously. Roethlisberger and maybe even Rivers will go in 1st Ballot. Rivers going first ballot would be laughable, absolutely laughable.

Unless Rivers gets a ring, I personally don't think he's going to get in at all. If he gets a ring, I think he makes it.

doesn't make sense to me. They are rather different. Warner had a few MVP-caliber regular seasons. Eli has never been perceived around the league of ever being the best in any particular season.

Even his 2011 campaign where he carried the Giants, he never got the recognition he deserved because of how unspectacular the team was in the regular season.

I so happened to catch a comparison stat today between Eli & Jay Cutler.

For their entire careers, they have very similar completion ratio percentage, TD%, INT%. So similar to essentially be equal.

Of course Jay doesn't have the trophies nor the physical toughness....or the leadership. 2010 NFC Championship game is a bit hard to shake along with other shenanigans in the seasons that followed.

But there are enough casual fans out there who believe he is as good as Eli, or maybe more accurately that Eli isn't any better than Jay.

I'd say he's a Hall of Famer.

BUT...

He's very reliant on those two trophies. Unlike a Marino who gets in with 0 or Young/Favre who get in with 1.

In comment 13359023 BillKo said:

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In comment 13358422 k-five said: Quote: is not a way of proving Eli belongs in the HOF. Warner was an first team All-Pro 2 times, 4 times overall (Eli 0). Warner was a 2 time NFL MVP (Eli 0). He was voted to the Pro Bowl 4 times (Eli 2, he was an alternate in to others). So, by saying if Kurt Warner made the HOF so should Eli, I don't know if one has much of an argument The only thing in that list that is impressive is the MVPs. Pro Bowls? Seriously? Having said that, Warner's career is completely disjointed. He arrived out of no where playing great, then disappeared for a time period, before reemerging with the Cardinals. He's very tough to evaluate...........

Warner when he was great you could say had higher peaks than Eli Manning.

It's that simple. The Terrell Davis formula.

If he won it all with the Cardinals, then nobody is even bringing this topic up with him. It was close but no cigar. I guess that pick 6 is on him.

But Brady threw one last week and it was ok, haha.

Speaking of the Patriots, how about SB 36? Marshall Faulk is still pissed at what he perceived was cheating.

In comment 13358413 The_Boss said:

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Is Jim Plunkett, whose career was a trainwreck before he became an Al Davis reclamation project. Does anyone really think Eli belongs with Plunkett, forever outside looking in?

Normally you'd say he has to go based on that.

But the thing to remember is how voting took place back in the day versus now. You have Joe Namath in the HoF for crying out loud.

I think being the starting QB of a winning SB team was enough back then. Now not as much....even when the QB position is more important than it used to be.

1. Eli has two super bowl rings. Just about every Qb to do that is in the hall of fame
2. Eli is 7th all time in completions currently. Everyone in front of him is a hall of famer
3.Eli is 8th in passing yards. Everyone in front of him is a hall of famer
4. Eli is 7th in touchdowns. everyone in front of him is a hall of famer.

If he just had the rings or just had the numbers i can see making him wait but the guy has both. He also got both of his championships while beating arguable the best team of his era and winning MVP honors both times. I just dont see how you cant put him in

In comment 13358421 gm7b5 said:

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to hold fire Dolan signs outside MSG/

I'm not sure how that helps Eli make the HOF, but I like the nonlinear thinking!

Is how often he didn't make the playoffs, and how often he went one and done when he did.
and it doesn't help that he coincided with another HOF question mark - Tom Coughlin. you have a HOF QB with a HOF HC, there should be more playoff seasons/playoff wins in more seasons.

Is all that his fault? of course not. but it has to be taken into account.

Methinks he's a borderline HOF QB. IMO, he needs a rebound year where he and his offense look good in order to make this a done deal. He doesn't need another ring. but he does need to show that he's leading the team to victories.

I see "TD to Interception ratio" above and I just stopped reading...

In comment 13358545 Tuckrule said:

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24 17 24 18 23 20 21 10 27 14 31 25 29 16 good season 26 15 good season 18 27 30 14 good season-odell beckham arrives misses playoffs 35 14 elite misses playoffs 26 16 good season

So 26-15 and 26-16 are good seasons, but 27-14 isn't? And the 29-16 wasn't a good season, it was a great one. His best. Nearly 5,000 yards, with the lowest rated rushing attack in the league, and the 30th ranked defense, Eli put that team on his back and willed it into the playoffs.

Eli out of the HOF will be his inconsistency.

Eli's 2009 campaign is his most underrated season as a Giant. Who did he really have at WR? No real big target. Rookie Nicks, Hixon, Manningham in his second year, Kevin Boss at TE and Steve Smith was his only pro bowler. Thanks a lot to the Bill Sheridan defense, he had no chance to make the playoffs. That Eagles game at home they lost 45-38 was full proof of that. He hardly had any "BAD" games that season.

That was also the beginning of the end of the "big five" on the offensive line.

In comment 13358461 brunswick said:

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But can't take away the 2 SB's. Tell me 1 thing Eli was great at. Not extremely accurate. Never had a great arm. Not athletic (certainly couldn't create plays). Everything had to be perfect for Eli to be an elite player. I hope he does but just think he is a notch or 2 below.

Everything had to be perfect for Eli to be elite? Name one HOF player on either Super Bowl teams aside from Michael Strahan on defense and I'll concede the point. Prior to Beckham, he had played with only four skilled position pro bowlers, two of which were non contributors to the 2007 team team (Tike and Shockey). The only other pro bowlers who were receivers, I believe made it as alternates (Steve Smith and Victor Cruz). Beckham is the first true weapon he has played with, and guys like Plax, Nicks, Cruz, Smith, Toomer were good contributors but not multi-year, elite superstars.

At first I would say no due to his interceptions and inconsistent play at times.Seems like he is a streaky QB.
However,looking at his lifetime QB rating of 83.7 which is
above HOFers,Aikman,Moon,Tarkenton & even Johnny Unitas,I conclude that he has an excellent chance of getting in,but not
on the first ballot.