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bigbluehoya : 2/13/2017 10:07 am
Mission accomplished on the homestand. Rangers looking for 6 in a row.

Buch and Vesey to switch lines (credit to MAB for that).

I won't get into the perverse implications of winning vs losing this game, but yeah, the rules suck.

Haven't seen anything on starting goalie yet.

Hope Hartnell catches a puck to the face.

LGR!
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Compared to hockey, all other forms of human endeavor  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 12:00 pm : link
shrink to insignificance!

BTW, here's the all-time gpg leaders for the Rangers.

1)Verbeek (only 88 games as a Ranger)
2)Gartner
3)Poddubny
4)Larouche
5)Bill Cook
6)Jagr
7)Gaborik
8)Murdoch
9)Esposito
10)Sandstrom

Out of those, the only ones I might have guessed would be Gartner, Jagr, Gaborik, and maybe Esposito.
Speaking of Verbeek  
pjcas18 : 2/14/2017 12:06 pm : link
while being nauseated during habs bruins on Sunday they had a piece on Marchand and said his nicknames are Nose-faced Killah and Little Ball of Hate.

Pat Verbeek was the little ball of hate.

I'm not a huge nickname guy, I use them in many cases especially when typing because it shortens the name like JPP.

But in watching Verbeek as much as I did, much live in Hartford at Whalers games, never was there a more perfect nickname in sports, though as I understand it he didn't get the nickname until joining the Rangers.

Do we recycle nicknames now? Is that acceptable?

Verbeek apparently "ok'd" it, but I'm not ok with it.

What's next calling Connor McDavid Mr Hockey or Jagr the great one.
RE: Compared to hockey, all other forms of human endeavor  
Drewcon40 : 2/14/2017 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13360703 Greg from LI said:
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shrink to insignificance!

BTW, here's the all-time gpg leaders for the Rangers.

1)Verbeek (only 88 games as a Ranger)
2)Gartner
3)Poddubny
4)Larouche
5)Bill Cook
6)Jagr
7)Gaborik
8)Murdoch
9)Esposito
10)Sandstrom

Out of those, the only ones I might have guessed would be Gartner, Jagr, Gaborik, and maybe Esposito.


95-96 was a strange year - I thought that team could do some damage! A couple of trades too many!

If Verbeek and Messier played every game (they missed a few games that year), they would have both scored 50 plus goals!
RE: Speaking of Verbeek  
Deej : 2/14/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13360716 pjcas18 said:
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Do we recycle nicknames now? Is that acceptable?


Society fell when Ladanian Tomlinson was "LT" and the people did not riot in the streets
RE: RE: Speaking of Verbeek  
pjcas18 : 2/14/2017 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13360720 Deej said:
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In comment 13360716 pjcas18 said:


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Do we recycle nicknames now? Is that acceptable?




Society fell when Ladanian Tomlinson was "LT" and the people did not riot in the streets


It wasn't just Giants fans who relabeled him LdT?

RE: RE: RE: Speaking of Verbeek  
Drewcon40 : 2/14/2017 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13360724 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13360716 pjcas18 said:


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Do we recycle nicknames now? Is that acceptable?




Society fell when Ladanian Tomlinson was "LT" and the people did not riot in the streets



It wasn't just Giants fans who relabeled him LdT?


One of my favorites was "Complainian Tomlinson"
I thought the '96 team was capable of great things too, Drew  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 12:14 pm : link
At least, in the middle of the season I did. They fell apart late in the year, though, losing a bunch of games in the last month. Seemed like they might have righted the ship by winning 4 straight against the Habs after falling down 0-2 at home in the first round, but Jagr and Pepe LePew killed them in the second round.
and yeah, the Little Ball of Hate is Verbeek through and through  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 12:16 pm : link
For one thing, he was a much better player than Marchand. For another, he was much nastier. Marchand is a fucking rat, a flopper who throws occasional cheap shots. Verbeek was a mean sonofabitch who hurt people.
RE: I thought the '96 team was capable of great things too, Drew  
Drewcon40 : 2/14/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13360731 Greg from LI said:
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At least, in the middle of the season I did. They fell apart late in the year, though, losing a bunch of games in the last month. Seemed like they might have righted the ship by winning 4 straight against the Habs after falling down 0-2 at home in the first round, but Jagr and Pepe LePew killed them in the second round.


This year frustrated me as I think the team prior to the Kurri, McSorely, Churla trade was good enough to contend. I thought they were well balanced with Messier / Ferraro as C1 and C2. Even though the Zubov/Nedved trade was already completed, We could have still hung on to Norstrom.
Yessiree  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 12:25 pm : link
Neil Smith made some good deals and some bad deals, but that Kings trade was putrid. Purely reactionary because hacks like Uncle Larry kept saying that the Rangers had to goon it up to beat the Flyers, so they gave away Ferraro, Laperriere, Norstrom for two aging goons and the utterly washed up Kurri.

They also traded for noted idiot Sergio Momesso (aka Stoogio Momasshole, as the old Rangers e-mail digest people dubbed him) who made Puliot look like a very smart player. No one took dumber penalties at worse moments than Momesso.

It killed me for many years to see Norstrom playing at an All-Star level for the Kings while the Rangers were so desperate for solid defensemen. Exposing Schneider to the expansion draft was pretty damned stupid, too.
RE: Yessiree  
Victor in CT : 2/14/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13360753 Greg from LI said:
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Neil Smith made some good deals and some bad deals, but that Kings trade was putrid. Purely reactionary because hacks like Uncle Larry kept saying that the Rangers had to goon it up to beat the Flyers, so they gave away Ferraro, Laperriere, Norstrom for two aging goons and the utterly washed up Kurri.

They also traded for noted idiot Sergio Momesso (aka Stoogio Momasshole, as the old Rangers e-mail digest people dubbed him) who made Puliot look like a very smart player. No one took dumber penalties at worse moments than Momesso.

It killed me for many years to see Norstrom playing at an All-Star level for the Kings while the Rangers were so desperate for solid defensemen. Exposing Schneider to the expansion draft was pretty damned stupid, too.


Agree almost completely!! I wasn't a big Ferraro fan. This was all part of the Colin Campbell ethnic cleansing of all non-English speaking, non-Canadian players. He would have dumped Leetch and Richter if he could have gotten away with it.
It is also not a big secret that Messier had..  
Drewcon40 : 2/14/2017 1:45 pm : link
...a lot of influence on the roster. There were two Messier books I read ("Dragon Slayer" and a book by an author Jeff Klein), Petr Nedved's first departure wasn't any secret. During the 96-97 season, Nemchinov and Brian Noonan were traded for Esa Tikkanen and Russ Courtnall (the latter was acquired to absorb an injury to Alexi Kovalev). According to one of the books (not sure which one), Messier was livid as he was really close with Nemchinov.
Russ Courtnall couldn't do much of anything at that point  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 2:06 pm : link
(which was weird because he was coming off a 26-39-65 season....hit the skids in a hurry) but that dude was FAST.

Tik did have a terrific 1997 playoffs. He was a key guy in the upsets of the Panthers and Devils.

another fun nickname from that email digest  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 2:09 pm : link
Jari Kurri was Dead Man Skating.

Sarge's offense had mostly evaporated by the time of that Vancouver deal, but he remained one of the league's best defensive centers for years to come. His ring with the Devils proved that - you didn't play for Jersey back then if you couldn't defend.
Also, Tikkanen was good for these stories  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 2:12 pm : link
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The NHL is full of foreign hockey players; many with limited English skills say little. Not Tikkanen, 33, who was born in Finland, married a Swede and has played in Canada and the United States. In the middle of a hotly contested game, Tik, as he's known (it's pronounced "Tick"), will unleash a stream of words, sounds, barks and grunts that would confound a linguist, much less his teammates. Even his fellow Finns are of no help in translation.

When he played with the Edmonton Oilers, one of his teammates was Jari Kurri, Finland's greatest hockey player. On the bench, Tikkanen once let loose a particularly vivid outburst. One of the Oilers turned to Kurri and asked, "What did he say?"

Kurri shook his head. "I have no idea."
RE: It is also not a big secret that Messier had..  
Victor in CT : 2/14/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13360884 Drewcon40 said:
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...a lot of influence on the roster. There were two Messier books I read ("Dragon Slayer" and a book by an author Jeff Klein), Petr Nedved's first departure wasn't any secret. During the 96-97 season, Nemchinov and Brian Noonan were traded for Esa Tikkanen and Russ Courtnall (the latter was acquired to absorb an injury to Alexi Kovalev). According to one of the books (not sure which one), Messier was livid as he was really close with Nemchinov.


Nemchinov was a good player. Solid at both ends and quietly tough. Another Coach Soupy castoff. He hated Sergei Zubov too.
Buch a healthy scratch tomorrow night  
bigbluehoya : 2/15/2017 3:23 pm : link
vs Isles.

Peumpel gets the nod.

Smh.

I originally posted in the wrong thread. Smh again.
AV seems to really like Matty P.  
Deej : 2/15/2017 3:30 pm : link
He's getting run over Lindberg and Buch. Frustrating. But I suspect it has more to do with wanting to play Vesey in the top 9 and Buch not fitting on the 4th line. Due to depth, one of Vesey, Grabner, or Buch has to exit to top 9 if everyone is healthy.
AV's decisions can be frustrating but I may not  
Drewcon40 : 2/15/2017 3:35 pm : link
jump the gun here. Buchnevich looked to be struggling a bit defensively. If he is scratched for a string of games, I would be upset. Maybe just a night off in the press box can be helpful.
Matt Puempel over Buch is practically a fireable offense on its own  
Greg from LI : 2/15/2017 3:36 pm : link
Buchnevich has more points in 24 NHL games than Puempel has in 70.
Yep, it's a good point  
bigbluehoya : 2/15/2017 3:39 pm : link
For a player with as high of a ceiling as Buch, I'd just like to see him get a sustained run of time in the lineup to really get established and comfortable. Thanks to his injury or whatever that whole thing was, he hasn't had that, has been jacked up and down he lineup to boot, and oddly, has spent virtually no time playing alongside the Kreider-Zib combination he looked so amazing with in preseason.

I'm not going to lose my mind about it for now.

I keep reminding myself that as frustrating as AV has been managing he the forwards in real time, the results with Kreider and Miller and Hayes so far have been fucking awesome. He deserves my patience.
As frustrated as I get with AV over the defense  
Kyle in NY : 2/15/2017 3:39 pm : link
I give him some leeway with the forwards. The development of our young guys under his watch has been promising and he's shown good in game instincts, like bumping Vesey back up the other night when he saw he had good jump. Buch will be ok
Great minds  
Kyle in NY : 2/15/2017 3:39 pm : link
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