For the Giants, it should still be a Nicks and Cruz game. But it isn't.
All teams have injuries. Most teams have injuries and the players get back at some point to top tier production. Sometimes 1 guy here and there doesn't. But for the Giants, 3 Blue Chip WRs were cut down in the beginning of their prime. Not in the middle. In the beginning.
And add to that Safety: Kenny Phillips is 30. Chad Jones is 28.
5 players who got hurt in the last 5 years who never got back. 4 of them top guys for us. One was a very good prospect.
Watching those three in the 2012 playoffs, we thought we were set for years at WR. Amazing how fast things change in this game.
Guy had all the tools and tremendous natural talent. Just needed some coaching (not unlike who became the best RB in Giants history) and experience.
I wager he would have been a perennial 1200 yd back.
We know Wilson could be a good role player. Beyond that, maybe. Maybe not.
yes it is a young man's game but at positions like OL, you can still be very productive in your mid 30's. This is why I am still all over the organization for not focusing on the O-line. These RBs are a dime a dozen and/or will get hurt in a flash. They are replaceable parts if the O-line is solid.
Then again, if Steve Smith and Nicks stay healthy, we probably don't have OBJ.
And maybe Shepard will blossom into something that will take the sting out of Cruz being gone (since I'm sure Cruz's injury played into Shep being drafted)... but I find it highly doubtful that Shep will ever approach what Cruz was at his peak.
Your crazy. He got to start when our offensive line was absolute dog shit. He showed a bunch of promise when the line was still ok and he was getting limited touches.
What a team we could have had.
Steve Smith was underrated.
Injuries hapen to every team
and the problem was not Smith Nicks and Cruz all having injuries
it was when they came back .
the rehab was terrible they reinjuried themselves - to the point where it killed their careers
if BBI has Giant of the Year award still it should go to Aaron Wellman.
JFC, he couldn't crack the lineup because he was too stupid to learn the playbook and be relied upon to be in the right place.
He was an electric KO return man. I think he would have been that and a dangerous role player at best, but never a full time back.
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He had already done some things to raise doubts. So take him out and just focus on the 4 who were red/blue chip players already. And a 5th who looked like a really good prospect.
Your crazy. He got to start when our offensive line was absolute dog shit. He showed a bunch of promise when the line was still ok and he was getting limited touches.
Thats because there wasn't a hole to find. =)
Three years later and they've only marginally improved.
I view David Wilson as the most overrated football player on BBI in Giants history. He was a fine person and excellent athlete but did not like his football skills.
JFC, he couldn't crack the lineup because he was too stupid to learn the playbook and be relied upon to be in the right place.
He was an electric KO return man. I think he would have been that and a dangerous role player at best, but never a full time back.
I don't know but I believe BBI when they said he was definitely better than Barry Sanders.. just watch the Saints game again, repeat it 16 times every season and 9 seasons in a row..
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Guy couldn't find the hole if he had GPS.
Thats because there wasn't a hole to find. =)
Three years later and they've only marginally improved.
Greg must have forgot all about the hole where he ran 52 yards for a TD. I don't think we have had an RB that has done that since then.
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Guy couldn't find the hole if he had GPS.
Thats because there wasn't a hole to find. =)
Three years later and they've only marginally improved.
So you are telling me he was going to be Rashad Jennings without pass blocking ability and with fumble concerns.. Thats not a bust? Stop comparing him to Tiki.. in his sleep Tiki was better RB than Wilson and had Wilson never got hurt he would've been lucky to be anywhere close to the numbers Tiki put up..
David Wilson was as bad a draft pick as Rocky Thompson.
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At least he played...It's mind boggling how great Chad Jones was without playing a single down...
David Wilson was as bad a draft pick as Rocky Thompson.
stop it. I didn't think he'd be a great player, but he was a reasonable football player/prospect. Thompson was neither.
I understand the thinking behind the move, but thats what I believe too.
He will never be 2011 Cruz, but I think he still has some game in him. It would suck seeing him go to Philly.
I really regret not seeing him behind a solid Oline. I just remember the line being so bad he was nailed a few times in the backfield.
ok then.
Guy had all the tools and tremendous natural talent. Just needed some coaching (not unlike who became the best RB in Giants history) and experience.
I wager he would have been a perennial 1200 yd back.
I don't see that. He couldn't hold onto the football. Couldn't pass block...and looked to make bad decision in the run game.
All we heard about in 2013 is how he was showing he could now pick up the blitz in camp. First blitz he saw in Dallas inside their five hard line, he tries to cut the guy and Eli gets sacked. We settle for 3.
I think he was always going to be one of those guys with exceptional talent that never saw it through.
Guy had all the tools and tremendous natural talent. Just needed some coaching (not unlike who became the best RB in Giants history) and experience.
I wager he would have been a perennial 1200 yd back.
bahahahahaha. 1 game against one of the 5 worst defenses of all time.
I wonder if anyone will chance him.
444 yards and 4 touchdowns in four games.
His last year with the Giants, more than a few here claimed that he was intentionally playing poorly out of spite for the Giants signing Cruz to an extension before Nicks. But that would have been crazy since it was his contract year and he had every incentive to be at his best that year.
Nicks really had almost no chance in saving his career with the Colts in 2014. T.Y. Hilton was the OBJ of the year for Andrew Luck. He was targeted almost twice as much as Nicks and came through with a 1448, 6 TD year.
Reggie Wayne was the 2nd receiver, usually acting from the slot. Wayne was in his 14th and last year with the Colts. He didn't have the speed or explosiveness of a younger man, but Luck knew him very well and he caught 64 passes, although only for 799 yards.
The killer for Nicks was the tight end, Cory Fleener. He had the receiving abilities that Eli would love to find an a TE. He caught 51 passes for 772 yards, with 16 catches of over 20 yards and a team leading 8 touchdowns.
Nicks, the outsider in this group, didn't get thrown to much over the previous three. He had to make an impression in the few chances he had, and he didn't do so. After a while the Colts started swapping in Donte Moncrief, a rookie who caught 14 balls more than Nicks despite being targeted 20 less times.
So that was it for Nicks in Indy, and his signing by the Giants last year, giving Nicks a chance to play again with the QB who had at the time had completed more balls to Nicks than to any other receiver.
If Nicks couldn't do well with Manning, than there must have been something wrong with Nicks other than his confidence, but I have never heard what his injury was and when he received it.
Chad Jones was the next Ed Reed but bigger...
David Wilson was the next Barry Sanders.
Will Hill was John Lynh with a bad pot habit.
A lot of overrating the past on this thread.
Smith, Cruz, Manningham, Nicks are the ones that bother me. The Giants have been excellent at finding and developing WR talent only to watch their prime years be cut down by injuries.
Snee should've been just finishing up this year and Diehl maybe a year ago as well as Baas.
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David Wilson was as bad a draft pick as Rocky Thompson.
At least Wilson had the Olympics to fall back on. Oh wait...
He was a rookie + 5 games before he went down. And that 2nd season was alongside an historically bad offensive line. No one is saying he was definitely the next Tiki, or even on par with his contemporary in Tampa Bay.
We're talking about potential. And he mostly definitely had loads. Bizarre how some including you characterize him as a joke.
I do find it hard to understand why his ball security continues to be discussed. The guy fumbled three times in his brief career. To me, he didn't have time to show if that would have been an issue or not.
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