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Authorities in California were so sure the Oroville Dam was going to catastrophically collapse that they abandoned their command post on Sunday evening. At a press conference on Monday, the Acting Chief of the Department of Water Resources Billy Croyle revealed the situation had become so perilous he ordered his staff to flee. Officials also admitted they are in a race against time to drain up to 50-feet of water from the stricken Oroville Dam before a storm hits on Wednesday. Almost 200,000 people were frantically ordered on Sunday to evacuate along a 40-mile stretch of the Feather River below the dam after authorities said its emergency spillway could give way. |
Dam was not built on bedrock.....
Which they now acknowledge was a mistake.
But instead of fixing it.... California decided to build a high speed rail system.
This feels like a real life disaster movie.....They are fighting to lower it by 50 feet by Wednesday.....When a storm is expected.
Scary stuff.
And how , in god's name, do you build on less than bedrock.
Irrelevant perhaps, but the Manhattan side of the Brooklyn Bridge is Not sitting on Bedrock. As the first really large suspension bridge they over turned a huge caiisson or wooden type barge and sank it by piling rocks on the underside (now the top side). Then sand hogs - who suffered from the undiagnosed and unknown Bends - literally dug the sand out from under it. They found their bedrock on the Brooklyn side, but had to quit on the Manhattan side.
But instead of fixing it.... California decided to build a high speed rail system.
This has nothing to do with High Speed Rail
Federal officials at the time said that the emergency spillway was designed to handle 350,000 cubic feet per second and the concerns were overblown.
The contractors who run the water systems that get water from the Oroville dam would have been on the hook for the costs and they didn't want to pay for it. Ultimately FERC, The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, decided that they didn't have to.
And it's not the dam that may fail, it's the spillways.
State was warned about inadequacy of emergency spillway - ( New Window )
Thats my understanding. Happy to be corrected if im wrong on anything. Its simply an incredible situation considering the recent drought and the fact that nearly all of the CA reservoirs were pretty much empty a year ago. The sierras have gotten a shit ton of snow this year, so the spring thaw will be epic. And yet all of the reservoirs are full. There is nowhere for the spring thaw to go as of right now. Crazy. This situation has a long way to play out.
Unfortunately, this crisis is far from over. The immediate forecast for heavy rain and the incredible amount of snow that has fallen in the Sierra's will likely strain the spillways further.
The dam itself is 770 feet high making it the tallest dam in the US.
Oroville dam - ( New Window )
Meanwhile, they are blasting 100,000cfs down the main spillway (the white line) in order to lower the lake level. But right about where the label line intersects with the spillway line in that pic there is a huge hole. The main spillway is simply a concrete trough whose purpose is to discharge water far down the jill and away from the base of the main damn. With the erosion now happening roughly halfway down the main spillway, that is also a huge concern because it can lead to undermining the main dam. The actually main spillway gates at the edge of the lake are working fine.
Did authorities believe the spillway was in danger prior to this year's abnormal rainfalls?
Well played sir. I fold. Solar takes the narrative.
But if they started 2-3 weeks earlier they would have had more time to respond to the problem.
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dramatically limited the amount of water they felt they could safely release and what began the crisis. If the spillway didn't ever fail they probably would have been able to better stay ahead of it to this point.
But if they started 2-3 weeks earlier they would have had more time to respond to the problem.
True but they would have never expected the main spillway to break apart and the way I understand it if it hadn't they would have simply released more through it and there likley wouldn't be any issue.
But who knows maybe with this much rain it would have occurred regardless but in fairness to them the emergency spillway has never been breached in the dams entire history (50+ years). This is unprecedented.
Due to all of the recent rains, the lake is filling faster than the damaged main spillway can release water.
The emergency spillway is an earthen dyke that basically acts similarly to an overflowing sink. Once the water level reaches a certain height, water starts to flow over the emergency spillway. There is no control of the flow over this emergency spillway. The emergency spillway has never been used before.
In 2006, a couple of environmental groups were concerned that if the emergency spillway needed to be used, it was prone to erosion since it was 50 years old and had never been used. They proposed to line the earthen spillway with concrete to mitigate. Due to cost concerns, the state declined.
As the emergency spillway was being used on Sunday, the erosion rate was high enough that it was likely the emergency spillway was going to lose the top couple of feet of the spillway in some places which would have led to uncontrolled flows down.
The Lake is 25 square miles. A 1 foot breach of the top of the emergency spillway has the potential to unleash up to 5.2 billion gallons of water uncontrolled to some degree.
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dramatically limited the amount of water they felt they could safely release and what began the crisis. If the spillway didn't ever fail they probably would have been able to better stay ahead of it to this point.
But if they started 2-3 weeks earlier they would have had more time to respond to the problem.
True but they would have never expected the main spillway to break apart and the way I understand it if it hadn't they would have simply released more through it and there likley wouldn't be any issue.
But who knows maybe with this much rain it would have occurred regardless but in fairness to them the emergency spillway has never been breached in the dams entire history (50+ years). This is unprecedented.
This is not entirely correct. The main spillway can only release at a certain flowrate. The recent rains exceeded that flowrate, so even if the spillway was working properly, the lake would still be filling.
The area of catchment for this lake is huge. It captures all sorts of mountain runoff, so even a storm that brings an inch of rain has the potential to add, for lack of better term, a shit ton of water at a rate higher than they can release it.
Steve wasn't directed at you, there were other comments talking about the dam itself, so i wanted to clarify everything in one post, haha.
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In comment 13360685 steve in ky said:
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dramatically limited the amount of water they felt they could safely release and what began the crisis. If the spillway didn't ever fail they probably would have been able to better stay ahead of it to this point.
But if they started 2-3 weeks earlier they would have had more time to respond to the problem.
True but they would have never expected the main spillway to break apart and the way I understand it if it hadn't they would have simply released more through it and there likley wouldn't be any issue.
But who knows maybe with this much rain it would have occurred regardless but in fairness to them the emergency spillway has never been breached in the dams entire history (50+ years). This is unprecedented.
This is not entirely correct. The main spillway can only release at a certain flowrate. The recent rains exceeded that flowrate, so even if the spillway was working properly, the lake would still be filling.
The area of catchment for this lake is huge. It captures all sorts of mountain runoff, so even a storm that brings an inch of rain has the potential to add, for lack of better term, a shit ton of water at a rate higher than they can release it.
Of course there is a limit and I did say that with this much rain maybe would have occurred anyway but that is only speculation. The fact is the crisis began with the structural failure of the main spillway.
As for the comments about the dam not being anchored to bedrock.. This is an earthen dam.
I'm speculating for a frame of reference for the locals. There is a road, a parking lot and boat ramp there so local people would likley know where the breach is in relation to those.
For tourists who might want to come watch the disaster.
Link - ( New Window )
Its the same concept, you have water eroding the earthen part of the emergency spillway leading to uncontrolled release of water. The 1 foot thing was just an example of how much water could be released with a 1 foot breach.
Sounds like someone I went to college with.
Oh. Never mind.
That's good news, it has to be a relief for those whose lives were interrupted. Hopefully they have gotten a handle on it and the weather cooperates going forward.
Thanks for posting the update
I fixed that for you.
And how , in god's name, do you build on less than bedrock.
Irrelevant perhaps, but the Manhattan side of the Brooklyn Bridge is Not sitting on Bedrock. As the first really large suspension bridge they over turned a huge caiisson or wooden type barge and sank it by piling rocks on the underside (now the top side). Then sand hogs - who suffered from the undiagnosed and unknown Bends - literally dug the sand out from under it. They found their bedrock on the Brooklyn side, but had to quit on the Manhattan side.