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NFT: Knicks Chat: Oakley and Jimmy wuv each other

DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 9:20 am
- A truce has been reached thanks to intervention from Adam Silver and MJ. It's expected Oakley will be back at the garden shortly.

-Hahn says Melo will not be traded

Around the league-

-Whispers that Embiid's knee is a "concern" to the 76ers and that they are downplaying it

- Saric 18 and 11 on 8-17, 3 assists. Last 5 games 19 and 6 with 3 assists on 51/41 shooting

-Kaminsky 12 and 11 (only shot 5-16, really surprised how poorly he has shot the ball)

-Leonard 32 points, 6 boards 3 assists, 4 steals. Averaging a ridiculous 33 and 7 with 4 assists, 2 steals last 5 games. He's my league MVP if I for some bizarre reason had a vote.

-Turner 22 and 6 (big fan but his lack of athleticism seems to limit his rebounding ability)

-Conley 32 and 6

-Lopez 17 points... 3 boards in 32 minutes

-Vucevic 13 and 17 with 3 assists, 3 blocks

-Super Mario 11 points, 1 board, 1 assist 1 steal over 16 minutes

-Sabonis 6 and 7. I only mention him because I have to say he has some intriguing skills despite his numbers. The fact he's getting so much burn (despite the #'s) as a 20 year old on a good team is a good sign. Moves really well, good hands. He's intriguing (again I know he hasn't been good)

-Maker 6 and 5 (3-10) over 17 minutes

-Beasley 23 points, 3 boards, 4 assists... had no idea he was playing so well in limited minutes


-Monroe 25 and 12. Sort of surprised you aren't hearing some of the teams looking for bigs in on Monroe. Yeah he needs the right team but the guy can play.


-Smart 19, 3 and 3... last 5 games 51% from the field

-Ferrell 20, 5 assists, 2 boards

-Jokic... WOW. 17 points, 12 assists, 21 boards, 2 steals

-Juancho 27 and 10, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Sure looks like both Hernangomez Brothers can ball

-PJ Tucker 11 and 16- one of the more likely movers at the deadline

-THjr 25, 7 and 4 (has been FANTASTIC lately)
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DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 12:51 pm : link
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2h2 hours ago
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The Cavaliers just announced that Kevin Love underwent arthroscopic surgery today on his left knee and will be out an estimated six weeks
RE: Perception of Randolph is that he was a joke.  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13360784 Keith said:
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The Knicks were a joke and he didn't have a lot of value around the league. It's funny seeing people try to rewrite history. I'm not going to say walsh did a great job, but he did what he was brought in to do. Your problem, like most problems, was with the owner who has always meddled and he never wanted to rebuild.


Not 1 walsh move was a good move
Yeah because every move was to  
Keith : 2/14/2017 12:54 pm : link
clear salary for a run at lebron. He drafted Gallo, that was good.
I'm not trying to argue that Walsh did a good job,  
Keith : 2/14/2017 12:56 pm : link
but he was hired to clear salary and sign lebron. That was his job, to trade off a bunch of losers and not take salary back.
RE: Yeah because every move was to  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13360810 Keith said:
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clear salary for a run at lebron. He drafted Gallo, that was good.


they should of been top 4 in the draft that year not 6...

RE: I'm not trying to argue that Walsh did a good job,  
EricNY33 : 2/14/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13360814 Keith said:
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but he was hired to clear salary and sign lebron. That was his job, to trade off a bunch of losers and not take salary back.


I agree with you. He did what he was hired to do.
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EricNY33 : 2/14/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13360819 nygiants16 said:
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clear salary for a run at lebron. He drafted Gallo, that was good.



they should of been top 4 in the draft that year not 6...


Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?
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nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13360825 EricNY33 said:
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clear salary for a run at lebron. He drafted Gallo, that was good.



they should of been top 4 in the draft that year not 6...




Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?


my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..

instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary
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giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13360806 DanMetroMan said:
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2h2 hours ago
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The Cavaliers just announced that Kevin Love underwent arthroscopic surgery today on his left knee and will be out an estimated six weeks


Might be just short enough for Cleveland to stay the course.
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nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 1:01 pm : link
randolph and crawforf trades were horrible but i understood why he did it..

the mcgrady trade was awful, gave up a 1st, bevause he thought mcgrady would show something, then would resign for dirt cheap as the 3rd guy, failed miserably
I would only want Love  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 1:04 pm : link
if we could flip him for picks. This knee injury doesn't help that cause, so I'm not sure this would even make sense from a Knicks standpoint. So we'll probably go ahead and do it.

Someone posted an excerpt from Berman's story today that Phil thinks of KP and Willy as the frontcourt of the future. If Love isn't helping us add 1s, 2s or 3s, I don't see much point in acquiring him.
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EricNY33 : 2/14/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13360828 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13360825 EricNY33 said:



Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?



my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..

instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary


Um... he traded Randolph for Cuttino Mobley (who had a heart condition) and Tim "I Have No Heart" Thomas and Crawford for Al Harrington. How is that trying to win? Those guys all were lesser players than what he gave up. The deal I didn't like was the McGrady deal. That one was just silly.
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Keith : 2/14/2017 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13360838 EricNY33 said:
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In comment 13360825 EricNY33 said:



Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?



my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..

instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary



Um... he traded Randolph for Cuttino Mobley (who had a heart condition) and Tim "I Have No Heart" Thomas and Crawford for Al Harrington. How is that trying to win? Those guys all were lesser players than what he gave up. The deal I didn't like was the McGrady deal. That one was just silly.


Um... what is the relevance to this conversation? lol
Raptors interesting scenario  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 1:10 pm : link
Zach Lowe projects their cap at $130M even with Lowry/Ibaka taking on sub max contracts.

Could Toronto potentially be attaching picks/young guys for someone to take on Carroll? No need to make a move this season, but potential send O'Quinn/Kuz for their first rounder, Poetl and Wright or something along those lines. Move Derozan to the 3 and play Powell at the 2.
i should change what i am saying about gallo draft  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 1:11 pm : link
i forgot walsh took over that summer so he didnt have chance to tank..

eric he also traded for larry hughes and chris wilcox in an attempt to win more games and try and make the playoffs..

randolph and crawford wee part of the "big r" of bad contracts he had to move
Didn't toronto just trade their 1st?  
Keith : 2/14/2017 1:12 pm : link
It would have to be 2019 1st.
RE: Didn't toronto just trade their 1st?  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13360849 Keith said:
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It would have to be 2019 1st.


toronto owns clippers first this year
This is how teams viewed Zach Thomas  
Keith : 2/14/2017 1:15 pm : link
when he was on the Knicks.
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RE: I would only want Love  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13360837 bceagle05 said:
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if we could flip him for picks. This knee injury doesn't help that cause, so I'm not sure this would even make sense from a Knicks standpoint. So we'll probably go ahead and do it.

Someone posted an excerpt from Berman's story today that Phil thinks of KP and Willy as the frontcourt of the future. If Love isn't helping us add 1s, 2s or 3s, I don't see much point in acquiring him.


Is Melo helping us add 1s, 2s or 3s? At least having love gives you that upside. Maybe get what Ibaka got in return. Melo has no upside of that.

For those who think melo will get anything this offseason are ignoring the fact that he's going to be a 34 year old on an expiring contract. Cleveland seems to be the only realistic place he'd waive his clause anyways.

Keeping Melo around next year offers zero upside. Absolutely none. Love at least will be sub-30 with one more year on his deal. He could very well have no trade value (just like Melo). But he also could command some combo of picks/young players (unlike Melo).
Love also has more value  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 1:20 pm : link
Simply because of no NTC. Whereas a dumb team like Orlando couldn't offer Oladipo for Melo, we would open to ourselves to the magic and the kings of the world.
I really can't see the argument for why  
Keith : 2/14/2017 1:32 pm : link
the Knicks wouldn't do it.
When push comes to shove  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 1:37 pm : link
I'd move Melo for Love, mainly because I can't stomach the idea of two more years of this Melo/Phil bullshit, but my ideal scenario was to re-direct Love for a first rounder in this year's draft. Knowing the Knicks luck, I have this fear of Love coming back at the end of the season, blowing out his knee completely, and being an albatross contract for us going forward.
If he did blow his knee out  
Keith : 2/14/2017 1:38 pm : link
it would be completely unrelated to this injury.
RE: I really can't see the argument for why  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13360868 Keith said:
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the Knicks wouldn't do it.


There is absolutely none. People just want to add to the "typical Knicks move" narrative and it doesn't fit at all.

The benefits are two-fold. Switching Melo for Love (who won't play the rest of the season) all but guarantees you a top 5 pick in this draft. And then the upside of flipping Love next season after showcasing he is healthy for a piece or two to add to KP, Willy and a top 5 pick.

RE: If he did blow his knee out  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13360872 Keith said:
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it would be completely unrelated to this injury.


Why would they risk playing Love the last week of the season anyways?
I am a knee injury/surgery connoisseur....  
Keith : 2/14/2017 1:45 pm : link
There was no ligament damage to Love, it was all in his meniscus which is the cartilage that sits in your knee and prevents your bones from hitting each other. When the meniscus is torn, there are two options in surgery depending on where the tear is and other factors such as age.

1. Repair-Sometimes the meniscus can be repaired which has a better long term prognosis because the player usually makes a full recovery. The recovery is generally 4-6 months at a minimum, sometimes longer, but you want to make sure this heals right. This is what Rose had.

2. removal-when the knee is scoped and the tear is on the outer edges of the meniscus, it's shaved away or removed. The recovery is much quicker, they are saying 4-6 weeks, but there are plenty of examples of athletes coming back much quicker and longer than the 6 weeks. Marshall Faulk came back in 2 weeks I think. The player comes back quicker and can regain form, but this will cause arthritis as there is no cartilage preventing the bones from hitting. Usually that takes a while to come on, as I've mentioned, it usually effects guys in their mid-late 30's depending on their fitness level.
Does Melo/Toronto want a guaranteed finals appearance?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 1:55 pm : link
Waive your NTC for Toronto Melo.

Raptors Get:
Melo
Jennings
KOQ
Holiday

Knicks Get:
Carroll
Powell
Sullinger
Wright
Patterson
Clips 1st rounder
Now you're just wasting  
Keith : 2/14/2017 1:59 pm : link
everyones time!
RE: Now you're just wasting  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13360895 Keith said:
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everyones time!


You wouldn't do that?
Would prefer Love  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:03 pm : link
Obviously.

Just an alternative.
ok fine..  
Keith : 2/14/2017 2:04 pm : link
1. Melo isn't going to Toronto.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
RE: ok fine..  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13360901 Keith said:
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1. Melo isn't going to Toronto.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.


Not saying it's likely at all.

But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.

Carrol has been awful.
And by wing rotation  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:07 pm : link
I'm obviously excluding Derozan. I mean the 3 and 4 spots.
Credit goes to the commish  
LCtheINTMachine : 2/14/2017 2:08 pm : link
He saw how ridiculous the situation was and stepped in. This was a major embarrassment to the league, especially in New York.

A jackass like David Stern probably would have banned Oakley from every arena in the league.
Don't even get to #2  
Keith : 2/14/2017 2:08 pm : link
until you clear up #1. Melo is not going to Toronto. Clearly winning is not his top priority, he wants to be comfortable, doesn't want to uproot his team and play with his buddies. Toronto offers none of that. His BF's aren't on Toronto. I highly doubt he wants to move his family to Canada.
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DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 2:14 pm : link
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Keith : 2/14/2017 2:15 pm : link
just for posting Incarcerated Bob. Seriously though, whats the point to create fake conversations?
RE: Don't even get to #2  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13360909 Keith said:
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until you clear up #1. Melo is not going to Toronto. Clearly winning is not his top priority, he wants to be comfortable, doesn't want to uproot his team and play with his buddies. Toronto offers none of that. His BF's aren't on Toronto. I highly doubt he wants to move his family to Canada.


Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!


But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).
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EricNY33 : 2/14/2017 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13360925 giantsfan44ab said:
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until you clear up #1. Melo is not going to Toronto. Clearly winning is not his top priority, he wants to be comfortable, doesn't want to uproot his team and play with his buddies. Toronto offers none of that. His BF's aren't on Toronto. I highly doubt he wants to move his family to Canada.



Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!


But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).


Toronto isn't likely, but Washington could be.
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giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13360934 EricNY33 said:
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until you clear up #1. Melo is not going to Toronto. Clearly winning is not his top priority, he wants to be comfortable, doesn't want to uproot his team and play with his buddies. Toronto offers none of that. His BF's aren't on Toronto. I highly doubt he wants to move his family to Canada.



Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!


But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).



Toronto isn't likely, but Washington could be.


Why? Toronto I get making moves like Ibaka because you're going to pay Lowry the max through his mid-30s and even if no one really is going to beat GS you at least have a small shot at taking your team for the Finals for the first time ever.

Don't see why Washington is forced to make a move. John Wall is only 26 and Beal and Porter are both 23. Why not just let your team grow organically? By the time Wall is at his peak (maybe age 30-31) Beal and Porter could be all-stars (probably not Porter, but who knows? Both have gotten better every year in the league and maybe Oubre turns into something) and they will be read to take over the east when Lebron, Lowry and Horford are fading into their twilight years.

Washington should stay the course.
Melo  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 2:40 pm : link
is not being traded.
Everyones hyping  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:40 pm : link
Milwaukee and Philly to be the top teams post Lebron era (admittedly I am too) but Washington could have a couple of years before them.
with another ACL for Parker  
JOMO25 : 2/14/2017 2:42 pm : link
I wouldn't say Milwaukee is a top team
RE: RE: ok fine..  
aimrocky : 2/14/2017 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13360906 giantsfan44ab said:
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1. Melo isn't going to Toronto.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.



Not saying it's likely at all.

But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.

Carrol has been awful.


You're a good poster, but please stop acting like the half wits who call into WFAN proposing Melo and a first for the Nets 1st.

All signs point to this being Cleveland or bust. Melo's not waiving his NTC to uproot his family north of the boarder.
RE: Melo  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13360947 DanMetroMan said:
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is not being traded.


Beal  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 2:48 pm : link
deserves more love. These guys who slowly improve gradually don't get enough credit. Beal has improved each season, he's sporting a career best eFG% of 559%, career best 19.6 PER, .153 WS/48. The injury concerns are 1000% valid but he's 23 years old. He reminds me of a young Ray Allen.
I think everyone understands Melo is staying.  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 2:48 pm : link
The trade deadline is a next week, and it makes for fun conversation, especially if your team sucks. I sure hope Melo staying doesn't prevent Phil from shopping others vets. We can't afford to be delusional here.
RE: with another ACL for Parker  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13360951 JOMO25 said:
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I wouldn't say Milwaukee is a top team


I'm a Parker fan, but I wouldn't be shocked if Milwaukee is able to find a strong defensive identity with Brogdon, Middleton, Giannis and Maker long term. Despite his talent, he's been the one guy in Mikwaukee's core that really doesn't fit the rest.
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giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13360953 aimrocky said:
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1. Melo isn't going to Toronto.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.



Not saying it's likely at all.

But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.

Carrol has been awful.



You're a good poster, but please stop acting like the half wits who call into WFAN proposing Melo and a first for the Nets 1st.

All signs point to this being Cleveland or bust. Melo's not waiving his NTC to uproot his family north of the boarder.


100% was a fantastical trade. Pulled up the trade machine and see what worked. I obviously know he'd never go to Toronto.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 2:51 pm : link
actually find her to mostly be funny (if not 1 note) but ESPN really scraping the bottom of the barrel to have someone who seemingly has no clue about the NBA writing a long piece about the Knicks
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