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DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 9:20 am
- A truce has been reached thanks to intervention from Adam Silver and MJ. It's expected Oakley will be back at the garden shortly.

-Hahn says Melo will not be traded

Around the league-

-Whispers that Embiid's knee is a "concern" to the 76ers and that they are downplaying it

- Saric 18 and 11 on 8-17, 3 assists. Last 5 games 19 and 6 with 3 assists on 51/41 shooting

-Kaminsky 12 and 11 (only shot 5-16, really surprised how poorly he has shot the ball)

-Leonard 32 points, 6 boards 3 assists, 4 steals. Averaging a ridiculous 33 and 7 with 4 assists, 2 steals last 5 games. He's my league MVP if I for some bizarre reason had a vote.

-Turner 22 and 6 (big fan but his lack of athleticism seems to limit his rebounding ability)

-Conley 32 and 6

-Lopez 17 points... 3 boards in 32 minutes

-Vucevic 13 and 17 with 3 assists, 3 blocks

-Super Mario 11 points, 1 board, 1 assist 1 steal over 16 minutes

-Sabonis 6 and 7. I only mention him because I have to say he has some intriguing skills despite his numbers. The fact he's getting so much burn (despite the #'s) as a 20 year old on a good team is a good sign. Moves really well, good hands. He's intriguing (again I know he hasn't been good)

-Maker 6 and 5 (3-10) over 17 minutes

-Beasley 23 points, 3 boards, 4 assists... had no idea he was playing so well in limited minutes


-Monroe 25 and 12. Sort of surprised you aren't hearing some of the teams looking for bigs in on Monroe. Yeah he needs the right team but the guy can play.


-Smart 19, 3 and 3... last 5 games 51% from the field

-Ferrell 20, 5 assists, 2 boards

-Jokic... WOW. 17 points, 12 assists, 21 boards, 2 steals

-Juancho 27 and 10, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Sure looks like both Hernangomez Brothers can ball

-PJ Tucker 11 and 16- one of the more likely movers at the deadline

-THjr 25, 7 and 4 (has been FANTASTIC lately)
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for some reason, ESPN has decided to emphasize the E  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 3:10 pm : link
at the expense of the S. It's not entirely them, though, as there has been a trend of injecting a bunch of pop culture horseshit into sports for a while now. Hell, it's the foundation of Bill Simmons' entire career, and the reason why I wasn't a huge fan of Grantland despite the fact that it did have some excellent writers and publish some outstanding pieces. The sports coverage was fine without them shoehorning in a bunch of filler about music or movies or whatever.
Chris  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 3:25 pm : link
Herring drops a sad face on the Knicks
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RE: Chris  
EricNY33 : 2/14/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13360999 DanMetroMan said:
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Someone posted this already
Broussard  
DanMetroMan : 2/14/2017 4:33 pm : link
CHRIS: I would say no to your theory, but with this news, it might make me think about it if I’m the Cavs in general.

And everybody’s talking about Melo’s contract. Kevin Love has one more year left on his contract than Melo has. Melo only has two years left after that. So his contract is not as bad as Kevin Love’s. And in a vacuum, you can argue Melo is a better player.

It’s just a lot of upheaval. They would have to play a different style if they bring in Carmelo Anthony. But can you envision them against Golden State? Kyrie, LeBron, J.R. Smith, Carmelo Anthony and Tristan Thompson? I mean, now Durant or Draymond has to guard Melo and LeBron. You know what I mean? … One of those guys is going to get a little bit of a break against Love. They wouldn’t get a break against Melo.

I don’t want to sound like something I’m pushing it, because I’m really not sure what I would do if I was Cleveland. It just makes it something that I would start to think about now, whereas before it was like, “No way.”
what a copout  
giants#1 : 2/14/2017 4:42 pm : link
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I don’t want to sound like something I’m pushing it, because I’m really not sure what I would do if I was Cleveland. It just makes it something that I would start to think about now, whereas before it was like, “No way.”


If Melo is a better matchup (or at least makes it harder to give someone a 'break' defensively), how was it "no way".
I guess Lebron is getting his media lackeys on the case.  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2017 4:45 pm : link
Broussard is always tops on the list. We'll see if/when Windhorst starts pushing for it.
In what vacuum is Melo  
Keith : 2/14/2017 4:47 pm : link
a better player than Love? That's ludicrous.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah because every move was to  
Enzo : 2/14/2017 4:49 pm : link
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Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?



my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..

instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary



Um... he traded Randolph for Cuttino Mobley (who had a heart condition) and Tim "I Have No Heart" Thomas and Crawford for Al Harrington. How is that trying to win? Those guys all were lesser players than what he gave up. The deal I didn't like was the McGrady deal. That one was just silly.

so then why not go all out and tank instead of bringing in a guy like Duhon? Why not subsequently move a guy like Harrington to a contender?
RE: RE: RE: The Knicks were in a weird position.  
Enzo : 2/14/2017 4:55 pm : link
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We had to clear every big salary from the books and not take back any salary into the 2010 season and every single team in the NBA knew exactly what we needed to do. You are trading from a position of weakness when there weren't a lot of teams knocking down the door for the guys that we had. Zach Randolph was a joke with the knicks, literally.


this is just dumb. Walsh unloaded Zach in the fall of 2008 - basically 20 months before Lebron became a free agent. There was no rush - and no need to just dump them the first chance a team offered up expirings for him.



There's a shocking stance!

At the time, without rewriting history and knowing the future, Randolph was considered an albatross and we needed to clear him. My guess is Walsh feared we wouldn't be able to move him for expirings if the didn't do it asap. Randolph was not viewed as a player anyone wanted when he was with the Knicks.

something tells me you don't know dick about how Randolph was viewed at the time. It's amazing how much of a pass you give lousy Knick GMs. It's like Marc Berman taught you everything you know.
I definitely  
Keith : 2/14/2017 4:56 pm : link
don't know as much as you about dicks. Something to shoot for?
RE: In what vacuum is Melo  
nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 4:59 pm : link
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a better player than Love? That's ludicrous.


i am not saying love is a better player bit for the cavs vs warriors melo is a better fit because he can play next to thompson
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nygiants16 : 2/14/2017 5:00 pm : link
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a better player than Love? That's ludicrous.



i am not saying love is a better player bit for the cavs vs warriors melo is a better fit because he can play next to thompson


that should say i am not saying melo is a better player
RE: In what vacuum is Melo  
Deej : 2/14/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13361088 Keith said:
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a better player than Love? That's ludicrous.


I think in real life Melo is better. Love shoots 43% as the #3 option with a very good PG and one of the 10 greatest players ever (and a great passer) getting him looks. I struggle to conceive of what Love does better than Melo outside of rebounding.

Cant evaluate them in a vacuum. Melo likely becomes more efficient on CLE and Love likely becomes less efficient in NY (there is a counter argument that he and LeBron dont fit correctly due to where they like to shoot from).
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dep026 : 2/14/2017 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13361103 Keith said:
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don't know as much as you about dicks. Something to shoot for?


You dont give yourself enough credit!!! haha

Why argue with him? You know he is going to say the same things about whoever he dislikes time and time and time and time again.
Love also isn't great at creating his own offense  
Greg from LI : 2/14/2017 5:19 pm : link
Melo gives them someone who can generate points on his own, both to take some more of the burden off LBJ and allow them to be more effective when he's on the bench.
RE: I definitely  
Enzo : 2/14/2017 5:57 pm : link
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don't know as much as you about dicks. Something to shoot for?

wow, good one. Maybe shoot for not being completely lost when it comes to the NBA? It's amazing how often you need to be corrected.
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