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NFT: UEFA Champions League: Barcelona vs PSG

Gene : 2/14/2017 2:45 pm
Barcelona vs PSG starting up right now on Fox Sports 1. Always a pleasure to watch Messi, Neymar and Suarez in action. I'm also a big fan of PSG's Cavani.

Should be a good one. Who do you like?

For those interested, Benfica vs Borussia Dortmund is over on FS2.
Looks like PSG is controlling the match right now  
GiantsFanPatsLand : 2/14/2017 2:54 pm : link
They are constantly pressing the backline of Barcelona and they are unable to get the ball forward, wonder if they will be able to keep this press going all match.
American  
Pete in MD : 2/14/2017 2:59 pm : link
Christian Pulisic on the bench for Dortmund.
Wow  
B in ALB : 2/14/2017 3:05 pm : link
DiMaria with the perfect free kick.

Barca look like shit.
Di Maria with a brilliant FK  
Gene : 2/14/2017 3:05 pm : link
in the 18'to give PSG a well deserved 1-0 lead.
Barcelona is no longer Barcelona  
Go Terps : 2/14/2017 3:17 pm : link
They had a good thing going when they were relying heavily on their academy. Now they're just spending huge money like everyone else. Iniesta is getting older, and they still haven't replaced Xavi years later.

This is why the Golden Ball is such bullshit. Messi and Ronaldo get goals, but it's the guys like Iniesta, Kroos, and Vidal that are the real engines behind the teams that are constantly in the mix for all the silverware. Those guys are the actual best players in the world.
ter Stegen keeping this  
Gene : 2/14/2017 3:22 pm : link
from being a 1st half blow out.
Barca  
B in ALB : 2/14/2017 3:26 pm : link
shredded. 2-0.
Draxler  
Gene : 2/14/2017 3:26 pm : link
makes it 2-0.
Dortmund is dominant but no goals.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/14/2017 3:33 pm : link
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You can't expect to replace  
giantBCP : 2/14/2017 3:50 pm : link
Xavi and Iniesta from your youth academy. Even if you replace them with very good players, every other top team is stocked with very good players.
Barca getting embarrassed  
B in ALB : 2/14/2017 3:57 pm : link
3-0. Di Maria again.
Holy cow, what a strike  
Gene : 2/14/2017 3:57 pm : link
by DiMaria! 3-0.
Benfica 1-0  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/14/2017 3:59 pm : link
Mitroglou! 13 goals in 13 games.
RE: You can't expect to replace  
Go Terps : 2/14/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13361033 giantBCP said:
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Xavi and Iniesta from your youth academy. Even if you replace them with very good players, every other top team is stocked with very good players.


You obviously can't expect the next class of kids to reach the quality of Xavi and Iniesta, but they wouldn't necessarily have had to. The key would have been to maintain the style that brought Barcelona so much success.

I can understand spending for Neymar and Suarez, but this team could have stuck with Fabregas and Thiago and not needed to spend on Rakitic, Gomes, or Turan. And they never should have let Pedro walk; that guy was key to doing the dirty work to let Messi roam free.

They're going to be in a bad way in a couple years. Wait and see.
Penalty saved! Still 1-0 Benfica  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/14/2017 4:05 pm : link
Aubameyang is having an awful game - missed a ton of chances and now a penalty.
Only team I've seen take Barca apart  
Kyle in NY : 2/14/2017 4:06 pm : link
like this is Bayern a few years back. Never saw something like this coming. Di Maria looking like he's back at Madrid, Rabiot going box to box, Draxler looking like a fantastic addition, Veratti pulling the strings. They're countering at will.

Had heard so much about PSG not being the same team this season but this is great football to watch.
Terps  
Kyle in NY : 2/14/2017 4:08 pm : link
I've loved watching Pedro at Chelsea this season. Completely agree, does all the little things and is still capable of moments of brilliance himself.

Andre Gomes was a horror show today. Their midfield 3 was invisible
Barca, no midfield  
Sec 103 : 2/14/2017 4:10 pm : link
to speak of... No longer a great team.
Good, can't stand the Catalans...
4-0  
Kyle in NY : 2/14/2017 4:19 pm : link
Amazing
I'm eager to see Napoli v Madrid tomorrow  
giantBCP : 2/14/2017 4:26 pm : link
Maybe Barca can go after Maurizio Sarri when they sack Enrique.
Pulisic on and a near-miss  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/14/2017 4:32 pm : link
big-time save.
It's amazing how good PSG can look  
giantBCP : 2/14/2017 4:32 pm : link
without Thiago Motta slowing the play down.
Finishes 1-0 Benfica.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/14/2017 4:41 pm : link
Dortumund just couldn't finish.
Pulisic has looked good  
pierce58 : 2/14/2017 4:41 pm : link
in the 10 minutes he played....I don't watch much (any) Bundesliga, so it's nice to see him play with the big boys. Odd game, they blew it, but they are still very much in it when they get back to Germany.
Yup, they got unlucky  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/14/2017 4:46 pm : link
Mitroglou is on fire, and took the only change they had. Wouldn't be shocked to see 2-0 Dortmund in Germany.
just watched the Barca-PSG highlights ...  
Del Shofner : 2/14/2017 4:47 pm : link
... some thrashing there. Nice goals by PSG.
Barca has to win by 5 goals?  
NYG27 : 2/14/2017 5:16 pm : link
When they play again, if Barca wants to move past this round they have to win by 5 goals right?
RE: Barca has to win by 5 goals?  
Del Shofner : 2/14/2017 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13361137 NYG27 said:
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When they play again, if Barca wants to move past this round they have to win by 5 goals right?


there are some variations on that theme, but basically yeah - note that no Champions League team has ever come back from losing 4-0 in the first leg.
Del, so Paris SG need to play defensive  
NYG27 : 2/14/2017 5:21 pm : link
eat the clock as much as they can on their possessions. Yeah, had to see Barca coming back, those two second half goals were huge for Paris SG.
Deportivo  
Go Terps : 2/14/2017 5:28 pm : link
The biggest UCL comeback I know of was pulled off by the team I support: Deportivo La Coruna. They lost 4-1 away to AC Milan, but won 4-0 at home in the second leg. Highlights below.

The early 2000s Depor teams were really, really good.
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^^^^^^  
Del Shofner : 2/14/2017 5:30 pm : link
That's one approach, but scoring even one away goal would be huge for PSG. So, for example, PSG losing 5-1 is not a tie even though goal differential is even, because PSG's away goal would be the tiebreaker.
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Del Shofner : 2/14/2017 5:31 pm : link
(That was to NYG27, not GT...)
RE: Deportivo  
Sec 103 : 2/14/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13361154 Go Terps said:
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The biggest UCL comeback I know of was pulled off by the team I support: Deportivo La Coruna. They lost 4-1 away to AC Milan, but won 4-0 at home in the second leg. Highlights below.

The early 2000s Depor teams were really, really good. Link - ( New Window )

At that time they wanted Javi but Gijon wouldn't let him go
Fun Fact  
giantBCP : 2/15/2017 7:43 am : link
Their star player at the time (a very long time ago) Juan Valeron just recently retired from football at the age of 40.
Valeron  
ColHowPepper : 2/15/2017 10:49 am : link
Read a piece on him a few weeks ago, but don't remember where...could it have been Rory Smith.

Anyway, the story made the case that Valeron was one of the greatest players ever to walk the pitch, his teammates would do anything for him, but injuries sapped his career, a Xavi type player, but I may have this all wrong.
Valeron  
Go Terps : 2/15/2017 11:43 am : link
An incredible player whose career was marred by injury. Iniesta said he was the only player he'd pay money to see play. He's also the reason that David Silva wears the number 21. For a very short period around 2003 or so Valeron may have been the best player in the world. He's as good as anyone I've ever seen at making the through pass that destroyed the offside trap.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink said he was the best player he ever played with, and that guy played with Bergkamp.

Seems like a million years ago considering what Depor is now.
not the article I was thinking of  
ColHowPepper : 2/15/2017 1:38 pm : link
but similar in thoughts and tenor on Valeron (I spent three months in the Canary Is. many, many moons ago, incredible diversity, beauty, and nature)...

and to put him above Bergkamp, yes, something

http://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/08/06/valeron-last-dance/
CHP  
Go Terps : 2/15/2017 2:14 pm : link
This may be the article you're thinking of.
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Napoli  
giantBCP : 2/15/2017 2:55 pm : link
are nasty.
BCP  
Go Terps : 2/15/2017 3:02 pm : link
How is Callejon working out over there?
Awesome  
giantBCP : 2/15/2017 3:05 pm : link
They use him off the ball much more, and he's a menace when used that way. When Rafa was there, he was on the ball much more and was trying to play more like a playmaker, and that's really not his game. They attack and create most of the play on the left side through Insigne, and Callejon does a lot of damage making runs and scoring goals.
Good for him  
Go Terps : 2/15/2017 3:08 pm : link
Quality player that got jerked around at Real Madrid. I'm glad he's settled in somewhere that knows how to use him.

It's amazing the damage that Barcelona and Real Madrid are doing to an entire generation of young Spanish players. It's good that Callejon got away from that circle.
Napoli  
giantBCP : 2/15/2017 3:34 pm : link
don't know how to play when they don't have the ball.
Both games escalated quickly  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/15/2017 4:02 pm : link
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Bayern is really good  
Go Terps : 2/15/2017 4:35 pm : link
And Ancelotti is the perfect manager for them.

We've seen Robben score that same exact goal a million times. I don't know how anyone could possibly allow him to cut inside on his left anymore.
RE: CHP  
ColHowPepper : 2/15/2017 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13361911 Go Terps said:
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This may be the article you're thinking of. Link - ( New Window )
GT, yes, that is exactly the one. A very poignant, almost elegiac splendid tribute. Wish I had seen him play.
Thanks.
RE: Bayern is really good  
ColHowPepper : 2/15/2017 5:46 pm : link
Pretty much across all ten on the field they are very efficient, look for each other--and they are good getting to space--but can also create and threaten over the ball. Amazing how Lahm just keeps going, and your point on Robben is spot on; Lewandowski is so dangerous in the air in the PA.

I must have replayed it ten times, but I still didn't see what the ref saw on the penalty. Sanchez pounced like a cat on the second rebound. Two consecutive 5 - 1 beatings at the hand of Bayern in successive UEFA cycles...poor Arsène.

Is there anyone close to Neuer as a keeper--genuine question. If Navas were the same size (and same agility as he has), I'd place him in the conversation.
De Gea is very good, but Neuer is the standard  
Go Terps : 2/15/2017 6:26 pm : link
A slightly lesser known keeper that is very good is the Brazilian Diego Alves from Valencia. I have never seen anyone better at stopping penalties...last I saw he had saved 22 of 45 penalties he'd faced. Counting others that had missed, I believe the penalty success rate against him is under 50%. It's to the point where he's in the heads of the penalty takers, and they're starting to get too cute with their shots.

But yeah no one tops Neuer. I tend to favor those keepers that are excellent positionally and get involved in the build up play like he does. A goalie's distribution matters...it's the one thing I've always disliked about Tim Howard's game. Someone like Neuer, Ter Stengen, or in his day Victor Valdes adds goals to his team over the course of a season. No doubt about it.
RE: De Gea is very good, but Neuer is the standard  
ColHowPepper : 2/15/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13362232 Go Terps said:
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A slightly lesser known keeper that is very good is the Brazilian Diego Alves from Valencia. I have never seen anyone better at stopping penalties...last I saw he had saved 22 of 45 penalties he'd faced. Counting others that had missed, I believe the penalty success rate against him is under 50%. It's to the point where he's in the heads of the penalty takers, and they're starting to get too cute with their shots.

But yeah no one tops Neuer. I tend to favor those keepers that are excellent positionally and get involved in the build up play like he does. A goalie's distribution matters...it's the one thing I've always disliked about Tim Howard's game. Someone like Neuer, Ter Stengen, or in his day Victor Valdes adds goals to his team over the course of a season. No doubt about it.
Thanks, GT, I'll keep an eye out for Alves, and need to take in more La Liga generally. Quality of the broadcast on Cablevision/BeInSport is sometimes very poor.

No question on the distribution point: it takes vision, an arm, accuracy, and quick decision making and the keeper's team can go numbers up in the attacking half before the defense has a chance to organize. Although Cech is getting up in years, my impression is that he is/was canny about getting the ball out very quickly, to a mid who would let it run or turn with it and go.
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