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TC : 2/14/2017 3:24 pm
Only 6 rushing TD's all season!

I know we all knew it was bad, but I didn't realize how bad until I was reminded by this stat.

And the longest run from scrimmage was only 25 yards.

Is it the blockers? The RB's? No, it's both!

It's not real hard to defense a team that can't run the football and has only one truly scary receiver.

The Giants need more playmakers.

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Sums of the 2016 run game...  
Vin R : 2/14/2017 3:30 pm : link
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Joey in VA : 2/14/2017 3:34 pm : link
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oh my thats bad
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Vin R : 2/14/2017 3:35 pm : link
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Not kidding.. even after that win I couldn't stop thinking about that play
the good thing about that horrible run is  
Jints in Carolina : 2/14/2017 3:35 pm : link
Beckham broke off the screen pass for a TD on the very next play.
not a screen pass  
Jints in Carolina : 2/14/2017 3:36 pm : link
I meant to say slant pass.
That Jennings run said it all  
mattlawson : 2/14/2017 3:40 pm : link
And also why Perkins overtook the role at the end of the season and was perceived to do much better
Our RB coach  
Joey in VA : 2/14/2017 3:52 pm : link
Made a comment mid season about Jennings needing to run angry or with some more urgency, something along those lines, perhaps this is what he was referring to. I like Rashad a lot, but he didn't look like the guy in 2016 as he did at the end of 2015. That type of run has got to infuriate coaches to no end and kill the other guys in the room.
The Giants can and have . . . .  
TC : 2/14/2017 3:54 pm : link
met player needs both through FA and the draft, but really talented skill players tend to demand an awful lot in FA. I wouldn't be mad to see the Giants go WR, TE & RB in this draft. I see prospects for each that I think could be gotten and impact this season with the ability to continue to develop.

I think I'd like to see if the can beef up the OL via FA.
Translastion: The OLine sucked last year  
JohnB : 2/14/2017 3:54 pm : link
Wow, really. I never knew.
RE: Sums of the 2016 run game...  
NoPeanutz : 2/14/2017 3:58 pm : link
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Holy moly. That's rated R.
RE: Translastion: The OLine sucked last year  
djm : 2/14/2017 4:01 pm : link
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Wow, really. I never knew.


Watch the games again on DVR. His pause right when the RB gets the ball in his hands. Do this about 100 times on 100 different plays throughout the season. Then do the same thing when watching a good running team like Dallas. You won't see much of a difference in the holes. You will see a huge difference in the yardage gained.

The Giants RBs were abominable last season. The OL wasn't nearly as bad as the fans insist on believing. I said this all season long.
if the gif that VIN posted  
djm : 2/14/2017 4:03 pm : link
was Zeke Elliot he's ripping off 10-20 yards easy.

Jennings was fucking dreadful in 2016. HE danced with he should have zoomed and zoomed when he should have zigged. And he did this time and time again.
They need so much help on offense.  
allstarjim : 2/14/2017 4:04 pm : link
At WR, RB, OT, RG, and sure, a dominating TE like Howard or Njoku would help.

That's why any mock I see with the Giants going defense in the first round is a non-starter to me. They aren't going to get all of the help they need in free agency.

Best case is we get Whitworth, maybe Eddie Lacy, and maybe a complement WR like a Robert Woods or Brandon LaFell.

Otherwise, we need good offensive players in this draft. We need a good WR, a young, talented RB, a good OL, and maybe that stud TE everybody seems to want.

Need to get better on the line and more playmakers. We need at least 2 more legitimate playmakers, and one of them HAS to be at the WR position across from OBJ.

The good news is we hopefully are getting Will Johnson back, and that should help the run game as well as give another receiving option for the flat and so forth.
Incredibly, the 6 rushing TDs actually marked a 20% uptick from 2015.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/14/2017 4:16 pm : link
They had just 5 the previous year.

Brief aside re. the last championship season: an often-overlooked detail about the Giants' generally-sh!tty running game in 2011 is that Bradshaw and Jacobs ran tough near the goal line, combining for 16 rushing touchdowns. As miserable as the ground attack was that year, it at least took some pressure off Eli in the red zone.
#PaulPerkinsForPresident  
Deadass NYG : 2/14/2017 4:22 pm : link
With Jennings out of the picture, and assuming that Perkins stays healthy, I can see Perkins rushing for over 1,000 yards. Still, not extremely crazy numbers, but for the way the giants offense is programmed with McAdoo at HC, that would be a major accomplishment for the team. Am I alone on this one?
Pathetic...  
trueblueinpw : 2/14/2017 4:28 pm : link
The offense was such a disaster this past season. Had the offense been even a little bit better this past season we might have been legitimate Super Bowl contenders.

I've said here a bunch that our biggest need is for a TE that can get up the seam and catch passes but an almost equally glaring need is a running back that can make plays or wear down a defense, or preferably, both.

Now I know we don't have a particularly good offensive line but John Madden used to say that a good running back could make a bad offensive line look good. Our backs - all of them really - were absolutely pathetic at making plays. None of them could make plays in the hole, none could get outside and upfield for big chunks of yards and none could make plays catching the ball out of the backfield.

RB is serious need for this offense.
RE: Incredibly, the 6 rushing TDs actually marked a 20% uptick from 2015.  
TC : 2/14/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13361058 Big Blue Blogger said:
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They had just 5 the previous year.

Brief aside re. the last championship season: an often-overlooked detail about the Giants' generally-sh!tty running game in 2011 is that Bradshaw and Jacobs ran tough near the goal line, combining for 16 rushing touchdowns. As miserable as the ground attack was that year, it at least took some pressure off Eli in the red zone.

Thanks, I didn't realize that.

In addition to a tough-nosed RB I'd love to see taller quality TE who could be a realistic target in the red zone too. Not that Eli didn't have his problems, but he really didn't have a hell of lot of weapons inside the 20.
RE: They need so much help on offense.  
mrvax : 2/14/2017 4:34 pm : link
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That's why any mock I see with the Giants going defense in the first round is a non-starter to me.


Jim, that's silly. If JPP is gone and there's a good pass rusher there at #23, he should be picked.
That link says it all  
Giants86 : 2/14/2017 4:47 pm : link
Our line is terrible. Our running backs are below average.
Our Tight Ends can't block and our wideouts have issues blocking downfield. Its a miracle we won 11 games. Imagine how far we could have gone with an offense.
RE: Incredibly, the 6 rushing TDs actually marked a 20% uptick from 2015.  
adamg : 2/14/2017 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13361058 Big Blue Blogger said:
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They had just 5 the previous year.

Brief aside re. the last championship season: an often-overlooked detail about the Giants' generally-sh!tty running game in 2011 is that Bradshaw and Jacobs ran tough near the goal line, combining for 16 rushing touchdowns. As miserable as the ground attack was that year, it at least took some pressure off Eli in the red zone.


The running backs as a whole had 10 TDs in '15 and 7 TDs in '16. They went down 1 in the rushing game, but they went from 5 to 1 in the receiving game. I think that is the more notable stat. Vereen going down hurt us more than people realize. He was our best RB by FAR and would have added a lot more production than we had.

RE: RE: Incredibly, the 6 rushing TDs actually marked a 20% uptick from 2015.  
TC : 2/14/2017 4:57 pm : link
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They had just 5 the previous year.

Brief aside re. the last championship season: an often-overlooked detail about the Giants' generally-sh!tty running game in 2011 is that Bradshaw and Jacobs ran tough near the goal line, combining for 16 rushing touchdowns. As miserable as the ground attack was that year, it at least took some pressure off Eli in the red zone.



The running backs as a whole had 10 TDs in '15 and 7 TDs in '16. They went down 1 in the rushing game, but they went from 5 to 1 in the receiving game. I think that is the more notable stat. Vereen going down hurt us more than people realize. He was our best RB by FAR and would have added a lot more production than we had.

I like Vereen and think he's a good RB. But hasn't he had a difficult injury history throughout his NFL career?
It was also somewhat frustrating to watch  
Beer Man : 2/14/2017 5:02 pm : link
Perkins work the ball down the field, only to be replaced by Jennings when they would get close; which is also why Perkins didn't score a TD during the season.
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adamg : 2/14/2017 5:05 pm : link
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They had just 5 the previous year.

Brief aside re. the last championship season: an often-overlooked detail about the Giants' generally-sh!tty running game in 2011 is that Bradshaw and Jacobs ran tough near the goal line, combining for 16 rushing touchdowns. As miserable as the ground attack was that year, it at least took some pressure off Eli in the red zone.



The running backs as a whole had 10 TDs in '15 and 7 TDs in '16. They went down 1 in the rushing game, but they went from 5 to 1 in the receiving game. I think that is the more notable stat. Vereen going down hurt us more than people realize. He was our best RB by FAR and would have added a lot more production than we had.



I like Vereen and think he's a good RB. But hasn't he had a difficult injury history throughout his NFL career?


I'm not saying Vereen is the answer. I'm also concerned about his ability to play every down. (He and Darkwa are similar to me, in that they seem like higher ceiling players than the other guys, but they don't look like they can play down in and out without being carted off the field.) I'm just saying, we didn't have quality backs last year, and our best guy wasn't on the field. I like the idea of bringing in Latavius Murray and drafting Donnel Pumphrey.

Pumphrey is a receiving back who can line up in the slot. He's TINY though. And that's a major concern. But, if he can put on weight, he can be a Sproles kind of play maker. I also like bringing Vereen back as insurance (and if they can restructure that'd be ideal).

Murray and Perkins would carry the load. Vereen would be the third down and RZ back until they feel Pumphrey can handle those aspects himself.
I think there are better ways to solve this than drafting a WR high  
njm : 2/14/2017 5:12 pm : link
This team is just fine as it is with a 2 WR set, and another WR in the 1st or 2nd will be an overallocation of cap spending a year or two down the road. And you don't need 3 star WRs to run a 3 WR set. What will set up the running game is help at TE and the OL, with a top RB being a fallback option.

If a defensive player is FAR AND AWAY the BPA in the 1st then pick him and make that unit even stronger. But the near fixation on a 3rd WR is not the way to go imho.
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TC : 2/14/2017 5:23 pm : link
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This team is just fine as it is with a 2 WR set, and another WR in the 1st or 2nd will be an overallocation of cap spending a year or two down the road. And you don't need 3 star WRs to run a 3 WR set. What will set up the running game is help at TE and the OL, with a top RB being a fallback option.

If a defensive player is FAR AND AWAY the BPA in the 1st then pick him and make that unit even stronger. But the near fixation on a 3rd WR is not the way to go imho.

I like Shepard a lot! He's a competent slot WR, and he may stay decidely competent for the remainder of his career. But he's not one who scares D's. The Giants need another outside WR who can. I can't agree that they're set with the personnel they have now.

I see an opportunity in this draft to come away with both WR and RB. AND a TE.
And not have to spend a 1st.  
TC : 2/14/2017 5:23 pm : link
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allstarjim : 2/14/2017 5:33 pm : link
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That's why any mock I see with the Giants going defense in the first round is a non-starter to me.



Jim, that's silly. If JPP is gone and there's a good pass rusher there at #23, he should be picked.


First, I think they won't let that happen. JPP is going to get done (I really hope). Second, it would have to be a tremendous value, and I'm a BPA guy. But Okwara has played well, there's still Kerry Wynn (I know, not inspiring), and perhaps O-Diggy turns it on in year 3... but mainly, if JPP signs elsewhere, we'll get another DE in free agency, I think. Calais Campbell, Jabaal Sheard, or Devin Taylor, as examples.
Not saying they're totally set at WR  
njm : 2/14/2017 5:33 pm : link
But they're a LOT more set there than many other positions. I have no objections to drafting one later on, but not in the first two rounds.
RE: Sums of the 2016 run game...  
montanagiant : 2/14/2017 6:01 pm : link
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Holy shit I could have made 5 yards on that
the stat, yup  
idiotsavant : 2/14/2017 6:43 pm : link
part of the 'why' on my obsession with guards this year, last year also.
Unfortunately,  
Doomster : 2/14/2017 9:11 pm : link
That Jennings run said it all
mattlawson : 3:40 pm : link : reply
And also why Perkins overtook the role at the end of the season and was perceived to do much better

I remember the same play call with Perkins as the RB, and the result was the same...it looked like it was designed to go left, which both runners did, but if either had any vision, they would have seen the gap up the middle.....that play was made for Tiki...even so, "holes" like that were few and far between with this OL....
In this league if you can't block  
Giant John : 2/14/2017 9:22 pm : link
Superman won't be able to run the ball. Blockers first then running backs. Blockers include the TE. Until they fix the line nothing gets better.
I watched all season  
joeinpa : 2/14/2017 9:26 pm : link
And was surprised by all the optimism for this team heading into the play offs. I was happy for a nice season but given that offfense never considered the Giants a serious threat
RE: Not saying they're totally set at WR  
allstarjim : 2/14/2017 9:52 pm : link
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But they're a LOT more set there than many other positions. I have no objections to drafting one later on, but not in the first two rounds.


I couldn't disagree with your statement more. They have OBJ, Shep, and question marks. If OBJ were to go down, they'd easily field the worst WR group in the entire NFL. Even with OBJ, who is surely a top 3 receiver in the NFL, the lack of a quality WR opposite the field of him CLEARLY handcuffs what the offense can do. Without any legitimate threat on the other side, OBJ is very much hindered from being used to his full potential, as defenses can stick one guy on the other receiver (this year being Cruz), and focus all the safety help, and many times underneath help with a dropping 'backer, to limit big plays from Odell.

You need at least 3 good to very good receivers from a talent perspective in today's NFL. Right now, the Giants receiver group is probably in the bottom five in the NFL as a group. It can't all be on Odell. And yes, Shep is a nice complementary player with a good future. But he's a slot guy all day long and that doesn't really open the field for OBJ at all. The third best receiver on this team is probably Tavarres King. And sure I'd like to see him get more opportunity, but I think we all know you can't count on him as an NFL starter right away.

WR is absolutely an enormous need on this team, and I'd argue it's the biggest need of any position on the field, even more than LT or RG. Not only do they need one WR to start opposite Odell, I think they are in need of another one after that to groom. I would hit it with free agency and the draft, because you absolutely must get a player there. I can't understand any argument that doesn't recognize that position as a major problem, and one that SIGNIFICANTLY held the Giants' offense back in 2016.
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adamg : 2/14/2017 11:52 pm : link
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But they're a LOT more set there than many other positions. I have no objections to drafting one later on, but not in the first two rounds.



I couldn't disagree with your statement more. They have OBJ, Shep, and question marks. If OBJ were to go down, they'd easily field the worst WR group in the entire NFL. Even with OBJ, who is surely a top 3 receiver in the NFL, the lack of a quality WR opposite the field of him CLEARLY handcuffs what the offense can do. Without any legitimate threat on the other side, OBJ is very much hindered from being used to his full potential, as defenses can stick one guy on the other receiver (this year being Cruz), and focus all the safety help, and many times underneath help with a dropping 'backer, to limit big plays from Odell.

You need at least 3 good to very good receivers from a talent perspective in today's NFL. Right now, the Giants receiver group is probably in the bottom five in the NFL as a group. It can't all be on Odell. And yes, Shep is a nice complementary player with a good future. But he's a slot guy all day long and that doesn't really open the field for OBJ at all. The third best receiver on this team is probably Tavarres King. And sure I'd like to see him get more opportunity, but I think we all know you can't count on him as an NFL starter right away.

WR is absolutely an enormous need on this team, and I'd argue it's the biggest need of any position on the field, even more than LT or RG. Not only do they need one WR to start opposite Odell, I think they are in need of another one after that to groom. I would hit it with free agency and the draft, because you absolutely must get a player there. I can't understand any argument that doesn't recognize that position as a major problem, and one that SIGNIFICANTLY held the Giants' offense back in 2016.


+1

Ideally, a big receiver would be the guy to come in. But, if a guy like John Ross falls to 23 and they think he can play out wide. He'd be a huge lift to our O. People vastly underestimate how much the TEs, RBs, and WRs stunted our O production. Flowers and Hart weren't good. But, we could have scored if we had more than two play makers.
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Tuckrule : 2/15/2017 6:59 am : link
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Not kidding.. even after that win I couldn't stop thinking about that play


Have you guys played football? Rashad was about to hit the hole and richburg didn't anchor his block the DT saw Jennings cut back and flashed on the inside. Jennings saw that and cut back and was tackled. I wouldn't site this run as a microcosm of the run game. It happens a defender flashes the runner sees that and adjusts. He made a mistake but richburg wasn't able to pivot and doesn't have the strength. That's what that run showed me
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I Love Clams Casino : 2/15/2017 7:58 am : link
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That looks bad, but upon further investigation, what looks like a huge hole on the right, really isn't. Richburg didn't have his guy bottled up. Richburg's guy is pivoting to wherever Jennings pivots since Richburg doesn't have his guy locked up...look at it slowly...you see Jennings went right, and the Dallas defender easily pivots to cover the hole, then Jennings tries to juke, but the defender has that bottled up as well.

I will say this, if Jennings were a better lateral runner, he could have hit that on the right, but the guys that could have slid to the right in that limited window of time are few and far between. It's a fast game
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njm : 2/15/2017 8:54 am : link
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But they're a LOT more set there than many other positions. I have no objections to drafting one later on, but not in the first two rounds.



I couldn't disagree with your statement more. They have OBJ, Shep, and question marks. If OBJ were to go down, they'd easily field the worst WR group in the entire NFL. Even with OBJ, who is surely a top 3 receiver in the NFL, the lack of a quality WR opposite the field of him CLEARLY handcuffs what the offense can do. Without any legitimate threat on the other side, OBJ is very much hindered from being used to his full potential, as defenses can stick one guy on the other receiver (this year being Cruz), and focus all the safety help, and many times underneath help with a dropping 'backer, to limit big plays from Odell.

You need at least 3 good to very good receivers from a talent perspective in today's NFL. Right now, the Giants receiver group is probably in the bottom five in the NFL as a group. It can't all be on Odell. And yes, Shep is a nice complementary player with a good future. But he's a slot guy all day long and that doesn't really open the field for OBJ at all. The third best receiver on this team is probably Tavarres King. And sure I'd like to see him get more opportunity, but I think we all know you can't count on him as an NFL starter right away.

WR is absolutely an enormous need on this team, and I'd argue it's the biggest need of any position on the field, even more than LT or RG. Not only do they need one WR to start opposite Odell, I think they are in need of another one after that to groom. I would hit it with free agency and the draft, because you absolutely must get a player there. I can't understand any argument that doesn't recognize that position as a major problem, and one that SIGNIFICANTLY held the Giants' offense back in 2016.


IMHO 1 good TE who can BLOCK will do more for this offense than a 3rd WR. Talk about holding the Giants defense back, how much did the hole at TE hold back BOTH the run game and the pass game? Injuries are hypothetical (although less so for the Giants than many other teams) but the lack of a true #1 TE is a reality regardless of injuries.
We also need an RB  
SomeFan : 2/15/2017 9:04 am : link
Perkins certainly has a role but we need more at RB. Preferably with an attitude.
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Have you guys played football? Rashad was about to hit the hole and richburg didn't anchor his block the DT saw Jennings cut back and flashed on the inside. Jennings saw that and cut back and was tackled. I wouldn't site this run as a microcosm of the run game. It happens a defender flashes the runner sees that and adjusts. He made a mistake but richburg wasn't able to pivot and doesn't have the strength. That's what that run showed me


Yes. And Rashad still should've hit that hole, the option he chose was absurd - don't be ridiculous
those stats  
msh : 2/15/2017 9:52 am : link
are why jennings was a cap cut there a first round TE like howard would force defences to account for him and if they dont he would have a huge rookie year right now they are too obvious its why the offence hasnt been better a playmaker over the middle would force the safety to move across to help and give the running game one less player on the line to stop it and ease the coverage to the WR's its a no brainer

they need to get a threat at TE every team in the division is better than the giants at this right now fells was a huge loss and wasnt addressed sufficiently they need to address this round 1 minimum 2nd round this year if they want the offence to help the defence out more
and again  
idiotsavant : 2/15/2017 10:23 am : link
whereas it remains to be seen what type of line run blocking we will favor, we have seen what type of pass protecting this OC likes, and that they seem to pass to set up the run, rather than the other way around.

But, why I rant about 'Pugh to OLT and drafting guards 1,2' is also: that we need bigger, tougher guards, ones who have all the skills that a Pugh has, but +20lbs or more. and those go high.
Guards  
idiotsavant : 2/15/2017 11:10 am : link
If Moton is what they say he is, at 6'5" 328lbs I would have no problem playing him at guard for a few years. left or right.

Then, there are players like this:



CBS on Isaak Asiata 6'3" 325lbs


''Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Sports an imposing frame with broad shoulders and thick limbs. Much more athletic than his build would suggest, showing impressive initial quickness and agility in pass protection and while pulling in the running game. Fires off the ball, showing terrific burst and hip snap to explode into opponents with his initial contact on the down block to create movement in short yardage situations. Delivers a powerful initial strike in pass protection and when helping teammates, often knocking down opponents with a well-timed shove. Plays on the balls of his feet and his knees bent to absorb bull rushers and can mirror quicker pass rushers. Good anticipation of stunts and "surprise" blitzes, showing lateral agility and a late burst to recover. Good bloodlines. Is the cousin of Minnesota Vikings running back Matt Asiata. ''
RE: and again  
TC : 2/15/2017 12:43 pm : link
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whereas it remains to be seen what type of line run blocking we will favor, we have seen what type of pass protecting this OC likes, and that they seem to pass to set up the run, rather than the other way around.

But, why I rant about 'Pugh to OLT and drafting guards 1,2' is also: that we need bigger, tougher guards, ones who have all the skills that a Pugh has, but +20lbs or more. and those go high.

John Jerry goes 340.

I'm not opposed to upgrading the OL, it needs it, but the club also lacks offensive playmakers, and I don't know that I wouldn't rather see much of the OL needs addressed in FA.
true, jerry is very big and strong  
idiotsavant : 2/15/2017 1:13 pm : link
but we also saw him stand in sand as some DLer ran right around him untouched. his skillset seems kind of narrow:


I am talking about athletes with tackle level football skills, athletics and acumen but in "guard bodies" i.e. shorter, heavier, lower center of gravity and even quicker off the snap within the idea of lowness.
on a stunt i think it was  
idiotsavant : 2/15/2017 1:15 pm : link
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it seems like there are 4 or 5 of these players each draft  
idiotsavant : 2/15/2017 1:19 pm : link
basically excellent college tackles who are considered slightly too short and heavy, or the top ten type guards who are slightly undervalued do to similar considerations.
RE: true, jerry is very big and strong  
TC : 2/15/2017 1:33 pm : link
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but we also saw him stand in sand as some DLer ran right around him untouched. his skillset seems kind of narrow:


I am talking about athletes with tackle level football skills, athletics and acumen but in "guard bodies" i.e. shorter, heavier, lower center of gravity and even quicker off the snap within the idea of lowness.

I agree, my only point being that big and strong isn't a guaranty of itself of a superior OL. And when these kids are in school, it can be really hard to predict which ones will be able to translate their play into the NFL. Very high rate of college OL's who were great in school but were mediocre or outright busts in the NFL.
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