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NFT: The 9-46 BROOKLYN Nets!!!!

32_Razor : 2/14/2017 4:45 pm
Ok, I must admit I am a Nets fan and attended alot of the games when they were still in NJ but only a few since they moved to Brooklyn.

What is disturbing is this team is really bad even for Nets standards. I went to the last two games at home and the crowd was very sparse with really no fan following to see.

any Ideas how this team can improve? I look at this roster and the only legitimate starter is Brook Lopez.

Just wanted to know if there was anyone out thre feeling the pain
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RE: 1 minuscule consolation for Nets fans  
hitdog42 : 2/14/2017 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13361164 Overseer said:
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Derrick Favors is a pretty so-so player, who's often injured.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Nets won that 1st pick in 2010 and selected John Wall. Crazy how that little ball can decide so much.


Still upset about that
RE: 1 minuscule consolation for Nets fans  
Deej : 2/14/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13361164 Overseer said:
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Derrick Favors is a pretty so-so player, who's often injured.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Nets won that 1st pick in 2010 and selected John Wall. Crazy how that little ball can decide so much.


Actually Favors is an all star level player who cant stay healthy. Age 23 + 24 seasons he was a ~22 PER, 175 WS48 player -- ie better than same age Lamarcus Aldridge (actually, any age Aldridge).
As a casual Net fan  
gmen9892 : 2/14/2017 5:40 pm : link
I can honestly say I havent been able to watch more than 1 quarter total of this season. With such a bad/boring team and nothing on the horizon draft-wise, it is REALLY hard to keep following this team.

Trade Brook for whatever they can get, but they will certainly need to bring the asking price of 2 1st round picks down. No chance they are getting that. Take a late first if you can get it.

This is going to be a slow and long rebuild, so play the kids the rest of the year and hope you can sign a guy like Otto Porter or Patty Mills. Younger guys that can be an answer going forward, but certainly not the top level FA's.
Favors most definitely was not 22PPG  
Overseer : 2/14/2017 5:42 pm : link
But not a bad player by any means, indeed just can't stay healthy.

I assuredly meant "minuscule" consolation since I'd love to have never parted ways into the Dwill debacle, which largely caused Gerald Wallace then Pierce/Garnett.
Favors is a center  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 6:02 pm : link
Because of Gobert he's playing the 4 spot. No doubt the Nets lost that trade.

If he was in the east he would've made the all star team 2 years ago.
Lin is not a solid starter  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 6:05 pm : link
He's a solid backup. There are 30+ PGs that are better than him in the NBA.
According to espn stats  
Old Dirty Beckham : 2/14/2017 6:08 pm : link
The nets fill 84% of their building nightly. Sure, it's not diehards but their tickets sales are actually up from last year. Considering they have far and away the worst team in the NBA and have no hope that's acutally pretty good.

The move from NJ to BK was a great one. I've been to playoff games in NJ that weren't sold out. The first yr in BK and the KG/Pierce year they had legit atmospheres for their games. Unfortunately that KG trade just killed their future.

Long term being in BK they'll build their niche if they avoid the kind of mistakes they just made.
Yogi played in 10 games in BKN  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 6:09 pm : link
Really? A rookie shot poorly in his first 10 days?

The Nets cut Yogi to sign spencer dinwiddie. They are carrying scrubs like Justin Hamilton and Luis scola that have no future with the team (or any team in the NBA). For all this supposed culture change the front office still doesn't seem to quite understand the position they are in.
RE: According to espn stats  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13361188 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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The nets fill 84% of their building nightly. Sure, it's not diehards but their tickets sales are actually up from last year. Considering they have far and away the worst team in the NBA and have no hope that's acutally pretty good.

The move from NJ to BK was a great one. I've been to playoff games in NJ that weren't sold out. The first yr in BK and the KG/Pierce year they had legit atmospheres for their games. Unfortunately that KG trade just killed their future.

Long term being in BK they'll build their niche if they avoid the kind of mistakes they just made.


That's because you can buy $2 tickets on any given night at Barclays. You can't buy a pack of skittles for $2 in NY.

It's come a long way down. I'm not sure the exact numbers but the ticket prices at Barclays were rivaling other top NBA teams when the Nets were good. The attendance numbers overshadow that.
Time to get rid of the NY basketball franchises.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/14/2017 6:17 pm : link
They're a bigger joke than the Jets and Mets have ever been. They're below shit-tier.
RE: According to espn stats  
Deej : 2/14/2017 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13361188 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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The nets fill 84% of their building nightly. Sure, it's not diehards but their tickets sales are actually up from last year. Considering they have far and away the worst team in the NBA and have no hope that's acutally pretty good.



Yes but half the fans are there ironically.
RE: Time to get rid of the NY basketball franchises.  
Deej : 2/14/2017 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13361193 Dave in Hoboken said:
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They're a bigger joke than the Jets and Mets have ever been. They're below shit-tier.


You could combine the two and you still might not make the playoffs. Certainly wouldnt compete in round 1.
The NBA has to be concerned with the talent dropoff  
32_Razor : 2/14/2017 6:43 pm : link
There are just too many teams and not enough talent to be competitive. Many of these games today have alot of double digit losses and the games are not the entertaining. I remember in the 80's the games were much closer and talent was spread better amongst teams. The Nets, Bucks, and a few other teams are like Triple A teams for the other franchises. At least that is how it looks on TV to the viewer.
1980-1989  
Deej : 2/14/2017 6:59 pm : link
five teams made the NBA finals: Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, Pistons, and Rockets.

2007-2016 it was 10: Spurs, Cavs, Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Heat, Mavs, Cavs, Thunder, Warriors.

I know the league doesnt feel competitive right now, but maybe that's just because in my formative years I was a Knicks fan and we made deep playoff runs. I think if you take Durant off GSW it doesnt feel as bad. Not sure GSW runs away with the West without Durant (untestable hypothesis).
Although I think  
Deej : 2/14/2017 7:00 pm : link
if you eliminated 4 teams, the product would be better. Unlike the NHL which people complain about but I think the talent level is better than ever, the NBA is suffering a bit from both expansion and the next max effort style, which means each team needs to be deeper.
RE: Lin is not a solid starter  
hitdog42 : 2/14/2017 7:06 pm : link
In comment 13361187 giantsfan44ab said:
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He's a solid backup. There are 30+ PGs that are better than him in the NBA.


I entirely disagree with that- he's a solid starter when healthy just not healthy at all -

And the yogi comment was basically saying it wasn't obvious in his play that he would do much- they are looking for bigger guards which is why they signed dinwoodie. And with scola he is said to be an amazing teammate-
For someone who barks a lot you don't know much- but you think you do
Keep proposing hypothetical melo trades that is what you are good at.
RE: RE: Lin is not a solid starter  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13361225 hitdog42 said:
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He's a solid backup. There are 30+ PGs that are better than him in the NBA.



I entirely disagree with that- he's a solid starter when healthy just not healthy at all -

And the yogi comment was basically saying it wasn't obvious in his play that he would do much- they are looking for bigger guards which is why they signed dinwoodie. And with scola he is said to be an amazing teammate-
For someone who barks a lot you don't know much- but you think you do
Keep proposing hypothetical melo trades that is what you are good at.


Ok sure. I'll give you Scola. Justin Hamilton doesn't have much of a case to be playing basketball in North America. Yogi is a 22 year old...what right do they Nets have turning someone like that away after 10 days? Spencer Dinwiddie has also proved he is more fit for the D-league after years of ineffectiveness in Detroit.

And if you're really going to stand by Jeremy Lin as a solid starter in the NBA...you should just stick to sharing your leaks with you buddy in Cleveland. Probably don't really have any right to be talking about basketball without him.
Lin  
Deej : 2/14/2017 7:17 pm : link
and yet no one has made him "the starter" since 2012-13 until the Nets this season, who have the worst roster in the NBA. The advanced stats suggest reserve with possible low-end starter capability but not solid starter.
When the Nets give the inevitable  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 7:24 pm : link
$70M contract offer to Mirotic, Olynyk or Tyreke Evans, they won't be coming to BKN for the culture...just realize that now.
Ferrell was on the summmer league team  
hitdog42 : 2/14/2017 7:24 pm : link
They saw a lot of him- he did not show as a shooter and was undersized - looks like a miss now but for someone who watches the games there was nothing obvious.
Not really sure where you derive your ego from in discussing basketball- but I am happy for you to have your opinions- and I am pretty qualified to talk hoops - just for your guide - again please keep on with the trade proposals they are solid -
RE: Ferrell was on the summmer league team  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13361237 hitdog42 said:
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They saw a lot of him- he did not show as a shooter and was undersized - looks like a miss now but for someone who watches the games there was nothing obvious.
Not really sure where you derive your ego from in discussing basketball- but I am happy for you to have your opinions- and I am pretty qualified to talk hoops - just for your guide - again please keep on with the trade proposals they are solid -


Jeremy Lin being a "solid starter" is not the hill to die on if you are "qualified" to discuss basketball.

And wow Ferrel didn't show up in SL...shame there wasn't 4 years of evidence to show he was more than capable of shooting 3s at the NBA level and being a pesky defender (and an overall great teammate and leader).

Not complaining at all anyways. Happy to see him in Dallas under a coach who gets the best out of his players. But I'm sure Dallas would much rather be paying Jeremy fucking Lin $40M.
And no Lin is not an ideal starter on a very good team  
hitdog42 : 2/14/2017 7:32 pm : link
He's a sixth man- no debate- but in the realm of capable starters he is fine.
On the culture- I don't even know why that bothers people- the culture has improved - they have put a lot of money into player development, practice facility- front office culture, player health. But hey- let's get combative for a week because the culture of an 8 win team improved
Being a Monday morning quarterback  
hitdog42 : 2/14/2017 7:33 pm : link
Is a great position
RE: And no Lin is not an ideal starter on a very good team  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13361242 hitdog42 said:
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He's a sixth man- no debate- but in the realm of capable starters he is fine.
On the culture- I don't even know why that bothers people- the culture has improved - they have put a lot of money into player development, practice facility- front office culture, player health. But hey- let's get combative for a week because the culture of an 8 win team improved


I never disagreed that things were headed in a better direction for BKN.

You were making it seem like max-level players are all of a sudden are amped up with a burning desire to come to Brooklyn in the summer of 2017. Whatever culture changes there are don't mean shit until the team is good again. The only max level players that are coming to Brooklyn will be the average players BKN hands out max offer sheets to over the next couple of years.

It's going to be many, many, many years before Brooklyn crosses 30 wins, and they will have to get to the playoffs before any legit FA even considers jumping ship to come to the Nets.
Never said max studs would sign there  
hitdog42 : 2/14/2017 7:40 pm : link
thats a lie
The culture was brought up as the current knicks front office culture is not good at all- and that has played out even more since the comment

The nets reference was basically the team sucks but at least the culture is moving in right direction- no longer ownership and billy king steering things
Knicks culture IS moving in the right direction  
Deej : 2/14/2017 7:48 pm : link
think on that for a while. Thomas was the bottom. The sex harassment suit. This, from NYDN:

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Upon hearing that he would back up second-year guard Mardy Collins, Marbury marched toward the front of the plane to meet with Thomas. Five minutes later, an enraged Marbury told his teammates that if he wasn't starting he wouldn't suit up for the game. But it was something else Marbury said that stunned his teammates in the back of the luxury plane.

"Isiah has to start me," Marbury fumed, according to the source. "I've got so much (stuff) on Isiah and he knows it. He thinks he can (get) me. But I'll (get) him first. You have no idea what I know."

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RE: Never said max studs would sign there  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13361253 hitdog42 said:
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thats a lie
The culture was brought up as the current knicks front office culture is not good at all- and that has played out even more since the comment

The nets reference was basically the team sucks but at least the culture is moving in right direction- no longer ownership and billy king steering things


You said guys like Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson were interested in coming to the Nets BECAUSE of the culture change...THAT was a lie. They were signing because they were restricted FAs getting max offer sheets that their respective teams were going to match anyways.

And whatever your source told you about them being excited to become Nets or whatever is obviously a facade to get flown out to NY, have a nice steak dinner, and sign ridiculously large contracts.

Not a bad play by the Nets at all, that's probably the best thing to do when no good players will sniff meetings with your organization.

That's probably what they should do with guys like Mirotic and Olynyk this summer. Take chances on youngish guys. Both have played pretty subpar lately, there's is for sure a price the Bulls and Celtics won't match.

The best thing the Nets can do from here on out is rent cap space. Portland is acquiring 1st round picks to get takers for their boat load of bad contracts. If things have truly changed, the Nets should be first in line for any teams bad contracts.
I was a Nets fan back in the 90's  
EricJ : 2/14/2017 8:01 pm : link
when they had Petrovic, Jason Williams, Kenny Anderson, etc etc They were a fun team back then. Not bad as well when Jason Kidd was here.

Then, the team imploded. Some bad deals. I have not watched the in forever.
RE: RE: Never said max studs would sign there  
D-Rod : 2/14/2017 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13361258 giantsfan44ab said:
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thats a lie
The culture was brought up as the current knicks front office culture is not good at all- and that has played out even more since the comment

The nets reference was basically the team sucks but at least the culture is moving in right direction- no longer ownership and billy king steering things



You said guys like Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson were interested in coming to the Nets BECAUSE of the culture change...THAT was a lie. They were signing because they were restricted FAs getting max offer sheets that their respective teams were going to match anyways.

And whatever your source told you about them being excited to become Nets or whatever is obviously a facade to get flown out to NY, have a nice steak dinner, and sign ridiculously large contracts.

Not a bad play by the Nets at all, that's probably the best thing to do when no good players will sniff meetings with your organization.

That's probably what they should do with guys like Mirotic and Olynyk this summer. Take chances on youngish guys. Both have played pretty subpar lately, there's is for sure a price the Bulls and Celtics won't match.

The best thing the Nets can do from here on out is rent cap space. Portland is acquiring 1st round picks to get takers for their boat load of bad contracts. If things have truly changed, the Nets should be first in line for any teams bad contracts.


Neither one was a guaranteed match. If Dwayne Wade stays, Tyler Johnson is a Net. The Trailblazers had just signed Evan Turner to a big contract in addition to Lillard, CJ McCollum, Aminu, Harkless already there.
I was a fan of the Jersey team  
Giant John : 2/14/2017 8:55 pm : link
They moved so I quit them. Screw basketball.
RE: Knicks culture IS moving in the right direction  
weeg in the bronx : 2/14/2017 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13361257 Deej said:
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think on that for a while. Thomas was the bottom. The sex harassment suit. This, from NYDN:



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Upon hearing that he would back up second-year guard Mardy Collins, Marbury marched toward the front of the plane to meet with Thomas. Five minutes later, an enraged Marbury told his teammates that if he wasn't starting he wouldn't suit up for the game. But it was something else Marbury said that stunned his teammates in the back of the luxury plane.

"Isiah has to start me," Marbury fumed, according to the source. "I've got so much (stuff) on Isiah and he knows it. He thinks he can (get) me. But I'll (get) him first. You have no idea what I know."

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Maybe not. They signed Rose knowing the rape allegation, Noah is an albatross already, the GM is running the best player out of town and a franchise icon was just led away from his courtside seats in cuffs. And DOlan is still the owner:)
ok..  
feelflows : 2/14/2017 9:06 pm : link
so if the Nets have the first pick in the draft the Celtics can swap it with them? or am I off on this.
RE: ok..  
jlukes : 2/14/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13361310 feelflows said:
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so if the Nets have the first pick in the draft the Celtics can swap it with them? or am I off on this.


correct haha
RE: RE: ok..  
feelflows : 2/14/2017 9:12 pm : link
In comment 13361313 jlukes said:
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so if the Nets have the first pick in the draft the Celtics can swap it with them? or am I off on this.



correct haha


AND in 2018 they get their pick outright?

it's gonna be a long rebuild.
RE: RE: RE: Never said max studs would sign there  
giantsfan44ab : 2/14/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13361288 D-Rod said:
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Neither one was a guaranteed match. If Dwayne Wade stays, Tyler Johnson is a Net. The Trailblazers had just signed Evan Turner to a big contract in addition to Lillard, CJ McCollum, Aminu, Harkless already there.


Didn't the whole D-Wade debacle happen well after Johnson offered the Nets offer sheet? I remember that occurring way after most of FA was over. I thought the Johnson contract was one of the reasons Riley wouldn't give Wade what he wanted (that and the Whiteside contract obviously).

The Nets should've given Johnson the money they offered Crabbe. Johnson looks like a real player. Crabbe is ok, but he's probably worth half what the Blazers are paying him.
Yawn  
spike : 2/14/2017 9:46 pm : link
NBA is a bore.

THe only thing worth watching will be the NBA finals, Cavs vs Warriors again.
I m a. Celtics fan  
joeinpa : 2/15/2017 8:43 am : link
Couldn't believe the trade for Pierce and Garnet. Those guys were done. But was a great trade for Celtics
RE: RE: 1 minuscule consolation for Nets fans  
pjcas18 : 2/15/2017 8:55 am : link
In comment 13361169 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 13361164 Overseer said:


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Derrick Favors is a pretty so-so player, who's often injured.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Nets won that 1st pick in 2010 and selected John Wall. Crazy how that little ball can decide so much.



Still upset about that


I know how that feels as a Celtics fan, they were "supposed" to get Tim Duncan.

36% chance.
I like the Nets coach  
Metnut : 2/15/2017 9:49 am : link
and they have a smart GM. Sadly, they have the worst position assets wise in the NBA and it's still going to be a while before they are decent. If you could combine the Nets coach and front office with the Knicks assets, you might have a contender in 2-3 years.
RE: I m a. Celtics fan  
feelflows : 2/15/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13361462 joeinpa said:
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Couldn't believe the trade for Pierce and Garnet. Those guys were done. But was a great trade for Celtics


C's fan here, too... and I don't think Pierce was done, yet. With a good supporting cast I still think he was very productive.

KG broke down well before that trade.

I'm more surprised at the return they got. It has seriously set the Cs up for a long run.
RE: Ferrell was on the summmer league team  
BigBlueShock : 2/15/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13361237 hitdog42 said:
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They saw a lot of him- he did not show as a shooter and was undersized - looks like a miss now but for someone who watches the games there was nothing obvious.
Not really sure where you derive your ego from in discussing basketball- but I am happy for you to have your opinions- and I am pretty qualified to talk hoops - just for your guide - again please keep on with the trade proposals they are solid -

Hitdog getting on someone for their "ego"? Classic. I've never seen anyone pat themselves on the back as much in my life. It's nauseating. Pot, meet kettle?
RE: I like the Nets coach  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13361542 Metnut said:
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and they have a smart GM. Sadly, they have the worst position assets wise in the NBA and it's still going to be a while before they are decent. If you could combine the Nets coach and front office with the Knicks assets, you might have a contender in 2-3 years.


Umm..no?
I see your point  
Metnut : 2/15/2017 10:10 am : link
Great post.
RE: I see your point  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13361577 Metnut said:
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Great post.


You're either overvaluing the Knicks roster or the Nets coaching.

The NBA is talent first, talent second and talent third. Then comes coaching and the other stuff (unless Pop is your coach).

The players that will take the Knicks to contender level are currently not on the roster, maybe not even in the league yet.

There are really only 3 contenders in the NBA, and that's optimistic. Could really only be 1.
RE: RE: Ferrell was on the summmer league team  
hitdog42 : 2/15/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13361565 BigBlueShock said:
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They saw a lot of him- he did not show as a shooter and was undersized - looks like a miss now but for someone who watches the games there was nothing obvious.
Not really sure where you derive your ego from in discussing basketball- but I am happy for you to have your opinions- and I am pretty qualified to talk hoops - just for your guide - again please keep on with the trade proposals they are solid -


Hitdog getting on someone for their "ego"? Classic. I've never seen anyone pat themselves on the back as much in my life. It's nauseating. Pot, meet kettle?


examples would be great.
pretty sure you dont have any. keep being angry
RE: RE: I see your point  
Metnut : 2/15/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13361584 giantsfan44ab said:
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Great post.



You're either overvaluing the Knicks roster or the Nets coaching.

The NBA is talent first, talent second and talent third. Then comes coaching and the other stuff (unless Pop is your coach).

The players that will take the Knicks to contender level are currently not on the roster, maybe not even in the league yet.

There are really only 3 contenders in the NBA, and that's optimistic. Could really only be 1.


Fair enough. I probably should've used "good" instead of "contender," Thanks for the "real" reply this time!
Haha sure thing  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 10:36 am : link
I have really high hopes for KP and Willy, but outside those 2 I couldn't tell you who is going to even be on the roster in 2 years. It's going to be at least a 3-4 year timetable for the Knicks before being back in the playoffs.
I hope it's a 3-4 year timetable  
Greg from LI : 2/15/2017 11:04 am : link
Because otherwise it means they're going for a patch job. Again.

If they can snag a later 1st this year to go with their own pick, then I think they could have the foundation of a solid team. This is going to be a terrific and very deep draft. If they can come out of it with, say, Dennis Smith and Dwayne Bacon, that's a nice injection of talent to go with KP and Willy as a young nucleus.
RE: I hope it's a 3-4 year timetable  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13361649 Greg from LI said:
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Because otherwise it means they're going for a patch job. Again.

If they can snag a later 1st this year to go with their own pick, then I think they could have the foundation of a solid team. This is going to be a terrific and very deep draft. If they can come out of it with, say, Dennis Smith and Dwayne Bacon, that's a nice injection of talent to go with KP and Willy as a young nucleus.


Boy would I sign up for that right now...
I think everyone would sign up for Smith  
Deej : 2/15/2017 1:09 pm : link
regardless of whether we get a 2nd #1. Remember that we also have two 2nd rounders this year, from CHI and HOU so a late one and a mid round pick. I assume at least one will be a draft and follow guy.
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