Ok, I must admit I am a Nets fan and attended alot of the games when they were still in NJ but only a few since they moved to Brooklyn.
What is disturbing is this team is really bad even for Nets standards. I went to the last two games at home and the crowd was very sparse with really no fan following to see.
any Ideas how this team can improve? I look at this roster and the only legitimate starter is Brook Lopez.
Just wanted to know if there was anyone out thre feeling the pain
Oh wait.
Oh and all of the players are excited about signing there.
When the nets do have picks, they make decent selections. RHJ, Lavert and plumlee were all decent guys for where they were selected.
Only thing they can do is to keep bottoming out so when they do have their picks, they will be good ones.
No FA of note will sign in BKN anytime soon. Only vets that won't get looks from the 29 other teams in the NBA.
You know how Philly has been tanking for 4 straight years? Yeah...BKN is 2 years from even starting their "process" with even less assets.
The Meadowlands was doing fine outside of the Nets - they were selling it out for all the other events, primarily the kids stuff like Disney on Ice. It was a political move to send everything to Newark.
Only way is to create a hard salary cap, just like the NFL. Give teams the option of a Franchise tag. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
The culture is good- that is the feedback- easy for people who have no clue to mock because of the record, but I speak in facts so there u go.
Billy king engineered the worst trade in NBA history. Gms still don't understand how that went through, and how desperate they had to be to not even negotiate- they just kept tacking things on.
Where does that leave them?
Lin healthy is solid starter. Rhj, levert and whitehead have shown to be NBA players- with levert showing starter potential.
Lopez should be traded because they can resign him if they want in a year- and they need assets- really anything.
Bogs should be traded as he is not going to help the rebuild.
The Ferrell thing is unfortunate but it's not like he tore it up with nets- he shot poorly.
If they come away with an additional first round pick and try to hit on a rfa- they will be improved but still poor- really 2019-20 is the first year to hope to be decent agaIn if things go well.
Lastly- I was there for several games early in where the fans and atmosphere were good- the last 20- 30 games as Lin has stayed injured and season gone to embarrassing record wise will obviously result in no atmosphere at this stage.
And it’s precisely because they moved to Brooklyn and wanted to make a splash that they made all those aggressive trades. Had they not moved, they likely would have stood pat and perhaps had a Damian Lillard or at least held onto their draft picks.
I was a fairly hardcore Coleman then Kidd Nets fan. Don’t even really consider myself a fan anymore given the truly unbelievable level of ineptitude (although will likely come around when they win more than 20 games – in 2025 – since I like hoops too much), so take my opinion as you will. But it is difficult to come up with a team in a worse position right now. Garnett, Pierce, Deron Williams, GERALD WALLACE (for a first rounder, haha): these are names that Nets fans will never forget.
You kinda knew things were headed in the wrong direction when they decided to keep the name “Nets”, which is the stupidest nickname in professional sports. Obviously “Kings” would have been perfect, but surely they could have used their imagination beyond that.
There’s only 1 real path forward. Get what you can for Lopez and then look to 2019 when you’ll have a top 5 pick. The next 2 years are in the toilet. No other avenue. You never know when the next superstar will come out (even then, it takes more than just that as one can presently see in New Orleans). The 1 good thing about the NBA over any other sport is that things can turn around with 1 or 2 good players.
Lastly, it’s rather inane to mock Brooklyn as a home. Their floundering is due to horrific moves by a hapless GM. Not the location, which is fine. But I can’t even muster the energy to talk shit to Knicks fans. It’s like Rosie O’Donnell and Lena Dunham arguing over who’s thinner.
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Nets won that 1st pick in 2010 and selected John Wall. Crazy how that little ball can decide so much.
The Cavs are not really such an issue -- it's the age old problem that the NBA has which is that its best player is usually enough to make a team a contender. The Cavs are beatable and are steamrolling the East mostly because other teams blow.
GSW wasnt a "fixable" problem last year. Indeed, they were the platonic ideal of what you want -- built on a few mid-lottery picks, a home run 2nd rounder, and some smart but not amazing trades. GSW is a great story to discourage tanking (good for the tanker, bad for NBA).
The issue is really the Durant-GSW signing and before that the Miami threesome. And while Im not an expert on the new CBA, I believe they have seriously upped the amount of money a player can get on his 3rd contract if he resigns, to the point that Durant would have had to have just been not interested in money to leave (if those rules were in effect). And if a guy doesnt care about the money, there is nothing you can do short of eliminating UFA entirely to get him to stay. So basically, wait this out. Silver took a run at the issue.
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Nets won that 1st pick in 2010 and selected John Wall. Crazy how that little ball can decide so much.
Still upset about that
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Nets won that 1st pick in 2010 and selected John Wall. Crazy how that little ball can decide so much.
Actually Favors is an all star level player who cant stay healthy. Age 23 + 24 seasons he was a ~22 PER, 175 WS48 player -- ie better than same age Lamarcus Aldridge (actually, any age Aldridge).
Trade Brook for whatever they can get, but they will certainly need to bring the asking price of 2 1st round picks down. No chance they are getting that. Take a late first if you can get it.
This is going to be a slow and long rebuild, so play the kids the rest of the year and hope you can sign a guy like Otto Porter or Patty Mills. Younger guys that can be an answer going forward, but certainly not the top level FA's.
I assuredly meant "minuscule" consolation since I'd love to have never parted ways into the Dwill debacle, which largely caused Gerald Wallace then Pierce/Garnett.
If he was in the east he would've made the all star team 2 years ago.
The move from NJ to BK was a great one. I've been to playoff games in NJ that weren't sold out. The first yr in BK and the KG/Pierce year they had legit atmospheres for their games. Unfortunately that KG trade just killed their future.
Long term being in BK they'll build their niche if they avoid the kind of mistakes they just made.
The Nets cut Yogi to sign spencer dinwiddie. They are carrying scrubs like Justin Hamilton and Luis scola that have no future with the team (or any team in the NBA). For all this supposed culture change the front office still doesn't seem to quite understand the position they are in.
The move from NJ to BK was a great one. I've been to playoff games in NJ that weren't sold out. The first yr in BK and the KG/Pierce year they had legit atmospheres for their games. Unfortunately that KG trade just killed their future.
Long term being in BK they'll build their niche if they avoid the kind of mistakes they just made.
That's because you can buy $2 tickets on any given night at Barclays. You can't buy a pack of skittles for $2 in NY.
It's come a long way down. I'm not sure the exact numbers but the ticket prices at Barclays were rivaling other top NBA teams when the Nets were good. The attendance numbers overshadow that.
Yes but half the fans are there ironically.
You could combine the two and you still might not make the playoffs. Certainly wouldnt compete in round 1.
2007-2016 it was 10: Spurs, Cavs, Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Heat, Mavs, Cavs, Thunder, Warriors.
I know the league doesnt feel competitive right now, but maybe that's just because in my formative years I was a Knicks fan and we made deep playoff runs. I think if you take Durant off GSW it doesnt feel as bad. Not sure GSW runs away with the West without Durant (untestable hypothesis).
I entirely disagree with that- he's a solid starter when healthy just not healthy at all -
And the yogi comment was basically saying it wasn't obvious in his play that he would do much- they are looking for bigger guards which is why they signed dinwoodie. And with scola he is said to be an amazing teammate-
For someone who barks a lot you don't know much- but you think you do
Keep proposing hypothetical melo trades that is what you are good at.
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He's a solid backup. There are 30+ PGs that are better than him in the NBA.
I entirely disagree with that- he's a solid starter when healthy just not healthy at all -
And the yogi comment was basically saying it wasn't obvious in his play that he would do much- they are looking for bigger guards which is why they signed dinwoodie. And with scola he is said to be an amazing teammate-
For someone who barks a lot you don't know much- but you think you do
Keep proposing hypothetical melo trades that is what you are good at.
Ok sure. I'll give you Scola. Justin Hamilton doesn't have much of a case to be playing basketball in North America. Yogi is a 22 year old...what right do they Nets have turning someone like that away after 10 days? Spencer Dinwiddie has also proved he is more fit for the D-league after years of ineffectiveness in Detroit.
And if you're really going to stand by Jeremy Lin as a solid starter in the NBA...you should just stick to sharing your leaks with you buddy in Cleveland. Probably don't really have any right to be talking about basketball without him.
Not really sure where you derive your ego from in discussing basketball- but I am happy for you to have your opinions- and I am pretty qualified to talk hoops - just for your guide - again please keep on with the trade proposals they are solid -
Not really sure where you derive your ego from in discussing basketball- but I am happy for you to have your opinions- and I am pretty qualified to talk hoops - just for your guide - again please keep on with the trade proposals they are solid -
Jeremy Lin being a "solid starter" is not the hill to die on if you are "qualified" to discuss basketball.
And wow Ferrel didn't show up in SL...shame there wasn't 4 years of evidence to show he was more than capable of shooting 3s at the NBA level and being a pesky defender (and an overall great teammate and leader).
Not complaining at all anyways. Happy to see him in Dallas under a coach who gets the best out of his players. But I'm sure Dallas would much rather be paying Jeremy fucking Lin $40M.
On the culture- I don't even know why that bothers people- the culture has improved - they have put a lot of money into player development, practice facility- front office culture, player health. But hey- let's get combative for a week because the culture of an 8 win team improved
On the culture- I don't even know why that bothers people- the culture has improved - they have put a lot of money into player development, practice facility- front office culture, player health. But hey- let's get combative for a week because the culture of an 8 win team improved
I never disagreed that things were headed in a better direction for BKN.
You were making it seem like max-level players are all of a sudden are amped up with a burning desire to come to Brooklyn in the summer of 2017. Whatever culture changes there are don't mean shit until the team is good again. The only max level players that are coming to Brooklyn will be the average players BKN hands out max offer sheets to over the next couple of years.
It's going to be many, many, many years before Brooklyn crosses 30 wins, and they will have to get to the playoffs before any legit FA even considers jumping ship to come to the Nets.
The culture was brought up as the current knicks front office culture is not good at all- and that has played out even more since the comment
The nets reference was basically the team sucks but at least the culture is moving in right direction- no longer ownership and billy king steering things
"Isiah has to start me," Marbury fumed, according to the source. "I've got so much (stuff) on Isiah and he knows it. He thinks he can (get) me. But I'll (get) him first. You have no idea what I know."
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The culture was brought up as the current knicks front office culture is not good at all- and that has played out even more since the comment
The nets reference was basically the team sucks but at least the culture is moving in right direction- no longer ownership and billy king steering things
You said guys like Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson were interested in coming to the Nets BECAUSE of the culture change...THAT was a lie. They were signing because they were restricted FAs getting max offer sheets that their respective teams were going to match anyways.
And whatever your source told you about them being excited to become Nets or whatever is obviously a facade to get flown out to NY, have a nice steak dinner, and sign ridiculously large contracts.
Not a bad play by the Nets at all, that's probably the best thing to do when no good players will sniff meetings with your organization.
That's probably what they should do with guys like Mirotic and Olynyk this summer. Take chances on youngish guys. Both have played pretty subpar lately, there's is for sure a price the Bulls and Celtics won't match.
The best thing the Nets can do from here on out is rent cap space. Portland is acquiring 1st round picks to get takers for their boat load of bad contracts. If things have truly changed, the Nets should be first in line for any teams bad contracts.
Then, the team imploded. Some bad deals. I have not watched the in forever.
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thats a lie
The culture was brought up as the current knicks front office culture is not good at all- and that has played out even more since the comment
The nets reference was basically the team sucks but at least the culture is moving in right direction- no longer ownership and billy king steering things
You said guys like Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson were interested in coming to the Nets BECAUSE of the culture change...THAT was a lie. They were signing because they were restricted FAs getting max offer sheets that their respective teams were going to match anyways.
And whatever your source told you about them being excited to become Nets or whatever is obviously a facade to get flown out to NY, have a nice steak dinner, and sign ridiculously large contracts.
Not a bad play by the Nets at all, that's probably the best thing to do when no good players will sniff meetings with your organization.
That's probably what they should do with guys like Mirotic and Olynyk this summer. Take chances on youngish guys. Both have played pretty subpar lately, there's is for sure a price the Bulls and Celtics won't match.
The best thing the Nets can do from here on out is rent cap space. Portland is acquiring 1st round picks to get takers for their boat load of bad contracts. If things have truly changed, the Nets should be first in line for any teams bad contracts.
Neither one was a guaranteed match. If Dwayne Wade stays, Tyler Johnson is a Net. The Trailblazers had just signed Evan Turner to a big contract in addition to Lillard, CJ McCollum, Aminu, Harkless already there.
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"Isiah has to start me," Marbury fumed, according to the source. "I've got so much (stuff) on Isiah and he knows it. He thinks he can (get) me. But I'll (get) him first. You have no idea what I know."
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Maybe not. They signed Rose knowing the rape allegation, Noah is an albatross already, the GM is running the best player out of town and a franchise icon was just led away from his courtside seats in cuffs. And DOlan is still the owner:)
correct haha
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so if the Nets have the first pick in the draft the Celtics can swap it with them? or am I off on this.
correct haha
AND in 2018 they get their pick outright?
it's gonna be a long rebuild.
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Neither one was a guaranteed match. If Dwayne Wade stays, Tyler Johnson is a Net. The Trailblazers had just signed Evan Turner to a big contract in addition to Lillard, CJ McCollum, Aminu, Harkless already there.
Didn't the whole D-Wade debacle happen well after Johnson offered the Nets offer sheet? I remember that occurring way after most of FA was over. I thought the Johnson contract was one of the reasons Riley wouldn't give Wade what he wanted (that and the Whiteside contract obviously).
The Nets should've given Johnson the money they offered Crabbe. Johnson looks like a real player. Crabbe is ok, but he's probably worth half what the Blazers are paying him.
THe only thing worth watching will be the NBA finals, Cavs vs Warriors again.
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Derrick Favors is a pretty so-so player, who's often injured.
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Nets won that 1st pick in 2010 and selected John Wall. Crazy how that little ball can decide so much.
Still upset about that
I know how that feels as a Celtics fan, they were "supposed" to get Tim Duncan.
36% chance.
C's fan here, too... and I don't think Pierce was done, yet. With a good supporting cast I still think he was very productive.
KG broke down well before that trade.
I'm more surprised at the return they got. It has seriously set the Cs up for a long run.
Not really sure where you derive your ego from in discussing basketball- but I am happy for you to have your opinions- and I am pretty qualified to talk hoops - just for your guide - again please keep on with the trade proposals they are solid -
Hitdog getting on someone for their "ego"? Classic. I've never seen anyone pat themselves on the back as much in my life. It's nauseating. Pot, meet kettle?
Umm..no?
You're either overvaluing the Knicks roster or the Nets coaching.
The NBA is talent first, talent second and talent third. Then comes coaching and the other stuff (unless Pop is your coach).
The players that will take the Knicks to contender level are currently not on the roster, maybe not even in the league yet.
There are really only 3 contenders in the NBA, and that's optimistic. Could really only be 1.
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They saw a lot of him- he did not show as a shooter and was undersized - looks like a miss now but for someone who watches the games there was nothing obvious.
Not really sure where you derive your ego from in discussing basketball- but I am happy for you to have your opinions- and I am pretty qualified to talk hoops - just for your guide - again please keep on with the trade proposals they are solid -
Hitdog getting on someone for their "ego"? Classic. I've never seen anyone pat themselves on the back as much in my life. It's nauseating. Pot, meet kettle?
examples would be great.
pretty sure you dont have any. keep being angry
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Great post.
You're either overvaluing the Knicks roster or the Nets coaching.
The NBA is talent first, talent second and talent third. Then comes coaching and the other stuff (unless Pop is your coach).
The players that will take the Knicks to contender level are currently not on the roster, maybe not even in the league yet.
There are really only 3 contenders in the NBA, and that's optimistic. Could really only be 1.
Fair enough. I probably should've used "good" instead of "contender," Thanks for the "real" reply this time!
If they can snag a later 1st this year to go with their own pick, then I think they could have the foundation of a solid team. This is going to be a terrific and very deep draft. If they can come out of it with, say, Dennis Smith and Dwayne Bacon, that's a nice injection of talent to go with KP and Willy as a young nucleus.
If they can snag a later 1st this year to go with their own pick, then I think they could have the foundation of a solid team. This is going to be a terrific and very deep draft. If they can come out of it with, say, Dennis Smith and Dwayne Bacon, that's a nice injection of talent to go with KP and Willy as a young nucleus.
Boy would I sign up for that right now...