Looks like they're going to cut Ryan Clady ($10M savings), most likely Brandon Marshall ($7.5M savings) and possibly Decker ($6M savings).
Decker, despite coming off the injury, would be IMO an absolute perfect fit for this team right now. Reliable big target on the outside and red zone threat. Turns 30 in March and wouldn't break the bank.
Clady is interesting. He has the injury history but he's 30, never missed a game from 08-12 and by all accounts, the shoulder is expected to be ok. He's a good player that obviously won't break the bank either.
These could be 2 high risk high reward vets that could come relatively cheap for the positions they play. The not leaving NY factor could also give us an upper hand, especially Decker.
Oh and for me, big no to Marshall. We don't need a headcase at WR right now.
In some ways I agree. But, if he can show Odell healthy outlets for the diva-ness, that wouldn't be the worst thing. He, at least, seems more focused on getting a ring than money or anything else at this point in his career. That alone makes him a lot more attractive.
In some ways I agree. But, if he can show Odell healthy outlets for the diva-ness, that wouldn't be the worst thing. He, at least, seems more focused on getting a ring than money or anything else at this point in his career. That alone makes him a lot more attractive.
Loved the guy on Inside the NFL this year and I think you're right that he wants to play in the playoffs and he might be a good guy to work with OBJ. But that Jets team took a real nose dive this year and BM said it was after like game 4 that the Jets knew the season was lost. Remember, BM called out a bunch of guys on defense (not publicly) so at least we know he's got some sack to him. He wouldn't be the worst FA signing, I'll say that.
2013-2016 he's missed 21 games.
No thanks.
Marshall is the WR I really want though. He'd be an absolute beast going against #2 CBs. He had a down year last year, but I blame that more on the horrible QBs he had to play with. Also he was the only real threat on the team so he was seeing the #1 CB & the majority of defenses were focused on him. Neither of those would happen playing across from Odell.
Marshall's game isn't based on speed so I don't think father time will hit him as hard as it does most players. The last time he had decent QB play he was a top 6 or 7 WR in the NFL. In 2015 he had 109 catches for 1502 yards which is 14 yards per catch and he had 14 TDs. Yeah he will be 33 for the 2017 season, but we need some veteran players on the team. After cutting Cruz/Jennings we only have 2 players on offense & defense who are older than 29. That's Eli & DRC. Winning teams need the savvy bets who can make plays (Deon Grant/Sam Madison) to go on a legit Super Bowl run.
I know people see the name and automatically think of off the field problems. He had one of his best friends get murdered in his arms so that bothered him. Also he was undiagnosed bipolar. Once he figured out what was wrong with him he's done very well off the field to turn his life around. He's done a lot of good once he was diagnosed with a mental illness. I personally think he'd be an awesome mentor for Odell and has already reached out to help him calm down. If we can get him for a decent contract say 2 years 10 million with 5 million guaranteed then I think we have to take a chance on him.
That's why I'm hoping Western Michigan WR Corey Davis is available at 23. To me he's a very similar player to Marshall. Big guy who can go up and get it at it's highest point, strong hands and is very good after the catch.
It's about the money. The closer he gets to 10 mil per the more risk involved with bringing him on. The Giants can't afford any bad contracts.
I'm not for going for injured guys BUT if he wants to stay in the NYC area and the money is right, how can you not check him out given Flowers play to date?
Oh and for me, big no to Marshall. We don't need a headcase at WR right now.
Yup, want to stay away from those prima-donna WRs...
2013-2016 he's missed 21 games.
No thanks.
You would think some decisions are easy, and yet...
What exactly is his skill-set?
(I know he's tall, but not particularly fast.)
Great hands?
Great route runner?
Great feel for holes in the secondary?
Strong going up for the ball?
Something else?
I also wonder if Marshall would take a little less to stay in NY since he has a weekly spot on one of the NFL broadcasts (ESPN?) and I assume the studio is in NY. Sets him up better for the long haul after football.
A case could be made for either Jets WR - Decker younger but coming off the injury. Marshall older but the better player.
Anquan Boldin would be a better comp and he signed for 1 yr/$2.75M with another $1M in incentives.
Boldin 2015: 69 rec, 789 yds, 4 TDs
Marshall 2016: 59 rec, 788 yds, 3 TDs
I don't think Marshall will be that cheap since he's 3 years younger, but I don't think he's costing $10M per season either. I think Big Rick's prediction of 2 yrs/$10M isn't far off. Maybe someone offers Marshall 3 yrs/$18M.
Clady is definitely NOT INTERESTING. He's old, injury prone, expensive and not very good.
I'd prefer Decker but I cant see the Jets cutting their top two WR.
Clady, no thanks. He wasnt good for the Jets and he's only getting older.
No interest in the WRs.
Anquan Boldin would be a better comp and he signed for 1 yr/$2.75M with another $1M in incentives.
Boldin 2015: 69 rec, 789 yds, 4 TDs
Marshall 2016: 59 rec, 788 yds, 3 TDs
I don't think Marshall will be that cheap since he's 3 years younger, but I don't think he's costing $10M per season either. I think Big Rick's prediction of 2 yrs/$10M isn't far off. Maybe someone offers Marshall 3 yrs/$18M.
It's difficult to find a comparable situation. Steve Smith signed a 3 year 10.5 mil contract with incentives in '14 when he was 34. I think Marshall is worth that at a minimum.
Lisfranc in 2013.
2014 - played all 16 and he was a pro bowler.
2015 tore is ACL
2016 tore his rotator cuff.
He's obviously an injury risk but it's not like he's one of those guys that always misses a few games a season. He's played a full 16 in 6 of his 9 seasons in the NFL. These were all corrected by surgery.
I'm not even advocating for him but this is a guy at a much needed position that is bare in FA this season, who's had success in this league and if it weren't for the injuries, we wouldn't even have an opportunity to talk to him.
It's difficult to find a comparable situation. Steve Smith signed a 3 year 10.5 mil contract with incentives in '14 when he was 34. I think Marshall is worth that at a minimum.
SS is a good comp too. He was coming off an eerily similar season as well with ~750 yds and 4 TDs. His final 3 seasons before that contract were pretty comparable to Marshall as well: 216 rec, 3313 yds, 15 TDs for SS vs 229 rec, 3011 yds, 25 TDs. The big differences are the TDs (not surprising given BM's size) and the nature of the production: steady decline for SS vs monster year (1500 yds) sandwiched between 2 mediocre years for BM.
With "inflation" alone, Smith probably gets 3 yrs/$13-15M now. So something in the $5-7M per season range for Marshall might be a decent guess.
He is wired differently, but he is not a team negative as a headcase.
I do not think the Jets release him. At 7.5 million, he is a much better play for pay value than Decker, who I do think will be released.
Marshall would have to be a real cheap contract, otherwise I'd rather look elsewhere.
Winters at guard would be the only guy I would have an interest in.
He is wired differently, but he is not a team negative as a headcase.
I do not think the Jets release him. At 7.5 million, he is a much better play for pay value than Decker, who I do think will be released.
I can see the Jets keeping him, but with their QB situation they are unlikely to compete this year and BM's clearly not a part of their long term plans. With the new cap carryover rules, they might as well cut him and free up the cap space for future years or to go after a younger FA this year that can help rebuild the team.
If they can fill WR in FA and not commit big long term dollars I am all for it.
If they can fill WR in FA and not commit big long term dollars I am all for it.
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If they can fill WR in FA and not commit big long term dollars I am all for it.
That's how I feel -- just not sure what Marshall would command on the open market.
He can still play and would be a nice compliment to OBJ on the other side.
I think he'd be a perfect fit. That's the skillset we need on the outside.
This guy is too volatile IMO.
When the Jets obtained Marshall via trade from the Chicago Bears, they knew of his earlier altercations with teammates. However, in 2015 Marshall had no episodes and seemed to thrive with other Jets players.
2016 was a different story as Marshall had run-ins with two teammates. In the middle of one practice, he had a verbal confrontation with respected CB Darrelle Revis.
After beating Revis for a touchdown during 11-on-11 drills, Marshall verbally lashed out at him, saying he had no respect for him anymore, referring back to a 2015 game in which WR DeAndre Hopkins ran up 188 yards while scorching him for two touchdowns. The 11-year veteran also took a swing at the Jets 2007 first-round pick during that practice and needed was restrained by his fellow teammates.
His other argument was with defensive Lineman Sheldon Richardson. After a week-three loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, he had a verbal confrontation with Richardson which warranted involvement by head coach Todd Bowles.
If the Jets truly plan on rebuilding, ridding themselves of alpha type players like Marshall and Richardson would be a wise move. Head Coach Bowles does not need further distractions to deal with while trying to put the New York Jets back on a winning track.
I also have a concern that he has had fights with teammates during the year. Because we share the media space with the Jets, we are probably aware of it a little more than other teams (who I am sure have locker room fights).
Depending on the terms, Marshall could be a good add. I would explore ALL options.
The shitfest that was the Jets didn't start and end with Marshall, imo
The shitfest that was the Jets didn't start and end with Marshall, imo
I dont disagree to a point. He was about 20th on the list of blame for the Jets season last year. I have no argument his skillset fits what we need but I really dont love the idea of him in somewhat of a elder-mentoring role for OBJ and Shepard. This is a guy who has a pretty lengthy history of issues with teammates and despite "getting help" personally, it seems to at least somewhat been an issue again this past season.
He scares me. Not sure a 34 year old WR is worth the possible headache.
Probably not, but that was before he was diagnosed with some form of mental illness(?), which he's now being treated for..As for this year? Was it him or the myriad of a bunch of malcontents on a ship wreckage?
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Plus I'm surprised so many people would be on board with this. You guys hate when odell does a touchdown dance, but you'd be fine with a guy who is actively working on his post-football media career during the season?
Probably not, but that was before he was diagnosed with some form of mental illness(?), which he's now being treated for..As for this year? Was it him or the myriad of a bunch of malcontents on a ship wreckage?
I don't mind Odell's dancing and carrying on that much. And to be fair to Marshall, the guy's been on trainwrecks of organizations the past 5-7 years. He's not wrong to be discontent where he's been.
I wouldn't touch Marshall. I don't think he is that good to begin with and add in the headaches, no thanks. There is a reason he has moved from Denver to Chicago to the Jets and now someone else. Teams do not dump massive talent. They will put up with some BS if the performance is there. With Marshall it is not consistently there and I don't want him anywhere near OBJ. He could be a cancer asking them to throw him the ball more.
Decker could help but I don't like the fact he is coming off a injury. Giants don't need to put money into an injury plagued receiver when there are other needs.
OL. I just wonder how much Clady will want. He obviously has talent. But he also has been injured a lot. Foot, ACL in knee and rotator cuff. That's a lot of mileage on a 30 year old. For the right price I would take a shot but he made 6M last year. I wouldn't give him that.
He wants to win. His skill set, including blocking would elevate this offense. No way he would “dis” Eli. Chris Carter had a lot of problems early in his career also. Which later allowed him the foundation to mentor Randy Moss, and accept the 2nd fiddle position, as Brandon would be with Odell.
Big Rick, opened my eyes earlier to Eli & DRC are our only players over 29. Let’s sprinkle in some vets, that want to win now.
Marshall is exactly what this team needs.