with your own FAs closes? Obviously, if JPP gets tagged it's not going to be day 1 until they're at a complete stalemate and the Giants want to prove a point.
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RE: Anyone know when the window for exclusivity for negotiating
with your own FAs closes? Obviously, if JPP gets tagged it's not going to be day 1 until they're at a complete stalemate and the Giants want to prove a point.
The legal "tampering" window is 48 hours before the official "start" of FA.
So we've got a couple of weeks at least until we find out how the JPP saga resolves itself, unless they can come to a mutual figure before then (which I highly doubt).
also needs to accept that besides what UConn mentioned about the total picks, there will be no Tag/Trade before the draft. No franchise is giving up this year's picks. So not only will you have JPP's tag consuming 17 mil in cap space while the peak activity occurs in FA, you will not have any resolution until after the draft and the beginning of July.
and a big contract to a non QB, especially for a player that isn't in his mid 20's.
exactly the point.. and since no one will give that up.. then your only option is. long term Giants deal.. or play under the tag for another year.. or sit out the whole year..
If he immediately signs it, is this money guaranteed? Can the Giants and him still negotiate out of the tag into a long term deal?
If he doesn't sign, then they can still negotiate a deal....but he doesn't have to show up for anything, until it is signed......
I think JPP is holding the cards on this.....17M to play one year? He steps out on the field the first game and it is guaranteed....he will be better prepared t have a stat year for his next contract.....the only thing that gets him to sign is guaranteed money, and the Giants would be crazy to do that with his health issues.....
If the Giants tag JPP, they can always agree to a trade with another team for less than 2 firsts.
Based on yesterday's reports, the team is going to try to sign him. If that is the case I doubt the tag will come into play unless they reach an impasse and March 1st is at the front door. No need to poison the well if you don't have to.
If he immediately signs it, is this money guaranteed? Can the Giants and him still negotiate out of the tag into a long term deal?
If he doesn't sign, then they can still negotiate a deal....but he doesn't have to show up for anything, until it is signed......
I think JPP is holding the cards on this.....17M to play one year? He steps out on the field the first game and it is guaranteed....he will be better prepared t have a stat year for his next contract.....the only thing that gets him to sign is guaranteed money, and the Giants would be crazy to do that with his health issues.....
$17 Million for JPP for 1 year is half of our available money for free agency. That is not good. Too many holes to fill IMO to allocate that much to one player this late in his career.
Send JPP the 4 year 60 million dollar first and final offer
Tell him he has 72 hours to sign it or get tagged. Start the Crock Pot under JPP NOW!!!! He will fold and sign the mulit-year deal.. he didn't forget about how he almost 'blew it' 2 years ago, pun intended. No way he sits out a year turns 29 and signs an 85 million dollar deal. Send him the offer NOW and tell him when you will apply the tag if he doesn't sign the deal.
also needs to accept that besides what UConn mentioned about the total picks, there will be no Tag/Trade before the draft. No franchise is giving up this year's picks. So not only will you have JPP's tag consuming 17 mil in cap space while the peak activity occurs in FA, you will not have any resolution until after the draft and the beginning of July.
I'm sorry but this isn't a legitimate concern. Even with the franchise tag we have plenty of space to sign our own and if there is a big name we prefer to JPP we can rescind the tag and get the money. Tag/trade is looking at things too narrowly, trade is just one of the many potentially beneficial avenues that come from the tag. More likely, we tag him, he misses out on the spending spree for the big name free agents and talks to us about a more reasonable deal. It's called using the leverage you have, it isn't rocket science
If he immediately signs it, is this money guaranteed? Can the Giants and him still negotiate out of the tag into a long term deal?
If he doesn't sign, then they can still negotiate a deal....but he doesn't have to show up for anything, until it is signed......
I think JPP is holding the cards on this.....17M to play one year? He steps out on the field the first game and it is guaranteed....he will be better prepared t have a stat year for his next contract.....the only thing that gets him to sign is guaranteed money, and the Giants would be crazy to do that with his health issues.....
$17 Million for JPP for 1 year is half of our available money for free agency. That is not good. Too many holes to fill IMO to allocate that much to one player this late in his career.
Ok again you haven't really spent the money if you tag someone, you can always rescind it. If you think JPP just signs the tag when it's put in front of him you haven't been paying attention
You have to sell it, no way he accepts 4/48, he would probably rather play on the 17 million dollar tag. 4/60 guarantee the first two years, that's it.
But I'd let him walk. Don't like signing players with injury history and in their late 20's to big money,long term contracts. !7M is way too much for my taste for one year. I'd rather see us draft a player in the higher rounds and address our other needs with the cap money available. When was the last time JPP played 16 games? He's too risky for my taste.
But I'd let him walk. Don't like signing players with injury history and in their late 20's to big money,long term contracts. !7M is way too much for my taste for one year. I'd rather see us draft a player in the higher rounds and address our other needs with the cap money available. When was the last time JPP played 16 games? He's too risky for my taste.
What seems risky to me is to go into the season with Vernon and a ?. If Vernon goes down your defense just got bad again.
Now negotiations start...I assume this will be an exclusive tag, to try to get more leverage...
But suppose he does not agree to terms, and signs the tag...is that locked in, or can they renegotiate afterwards? If they can't we are screwed...
The other thing that worries me, if he doesn't sign a negotiated contract, and free agency begins, doesn't that reduce our options with 17M in limbo?
1st Question - Yes. They can negotiate a long-term contract up to July 14th. The likelihood of your scenario is probably close to 0% as that would require him to show up to OTAs risking injury on what would be a single year contract. If he ends up signing a tag, it will be after July 14th and more likely after training camp.
2nd Question - Yes. The 17 mil must be allocated for the duration the tag is in place. If the Giants rescind the tag without negotiating a contract, he becomes a free agent and the 17 mil cap allocation becomes available.
You are assuming that we don't sign a free agent defensive end,draft one high,or see improvement from the ones on the roster. I can see signing JPP and him playing much less then a full season. There is a track record here and it says that JPP will not play the entire season. The defense did okay without him.
You have to sell it, no way he accepts 4/48, he would probably rather play on the 17 million dollar tag. 4/60 guarantee the first two years, that's it.
We'll see, but Garafolo is plugged in and reading the tea leaves and I wager he'll be much more accurate than the projections for $15-18M some are speculating.
NYG has assigned a value, and that's that. If JPP wants to stay, he'll compromise.
Beyond that, it doesn't matter, he'll depart.
Most are talking about his value, you are talking about what the giants will offer.
I'm not aware of anyone expecting the Giants to change their valuation of jPP based on external factors. Most teams I assume set a value and follow it.
NYG has assigned a value, and that's that. If JPP wants to stay, he'll compromise.
Beyond that, it doesn't matter, he'll depart.
Most are talking about his value, you are talking about what the giants will offer.
I'm not aware of anyone expecting the Giants to change their valuation of jPP based on external factors. Most teams I assume set a value and follow it.
They value and follow it until and if they need to increase their offer at the eleventh hour
They are one in the same as far as NYG is concerned
and part of MG's speculation is based on what he's hearing around the league, eg the $15M and higher talk is unlikely to be realistic.
That is very intriguing. I can't fathom him playing for 12 but want him back. I always figured with the way the free agent market is some team would pay too much regardless of what he is worth.
But then again I'm not plugged into this on a professional level. One thing is for sure - it will be interesting.
It sounds like JPP isn't viewed quite the same as OV a year ago
He's a bit older, his medical dossier isn't clean, etc, given the talk of $12M ballpark in the recent article. Giants and his agent are certainly well aware already of what his market will look like.
RE: They are one in the same as far as NYG is concerned
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The legal "tampering" window is 48 hours before the official "start" of FA.
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That wouldn't just kill the bbi hamster, it would exterminate his whole family line.
exactly the point.. and since no one will give that up.. then your only option is. long term Giants deal.. or play under the tag for another year.. or sit out the whole year..
Two scenarios....he signs it or he doesn't....
If he immediately signs it, is this money guaranteed? Can the Giants and him still negotiate out of the tag into a long term deal?
If he doesn't sign, then they can still negotiate a deal....but he doesn't have to show up for anything, until it is signed......
I think JPP is holding the cards on this.....17M to play one year? He steps out on the field the first game and it is guaranteed....he will be better prepared t have a stat year for his next contract.....the only thing that gets him to sign is guaranteed money, and the Giants would be crazy to do that with his health issues.....
Two scenarios....he signs it or he doesn't....
If he immediately signs it, is this money guaranteed? Can the Giants and him still negotiate out of the tag into a long term deal?
If he doesn't sign, then they can still negotiate a deal....but he doesn't have to show up for anything, until it is signed......
I think JPP is holding the cards on this.....17M to play one year? He steps out on the field the first game and it is guaranteed....he will be better prepared t have a stat year for his next contract.....the only thing that gets him to sign is guaranteed money, and the Giants would be crazy to do that with his health issues.....
$17 Million for JPP for 1 year is half of our available money for free agency. That is not good. Too many holes to fill IMO to allocate that much to one player this late in his career.
I'm sorry but this isn't a legitimate concern. Even with the franchise tag we have plenty of space to sign our own and if there is a big name we prefer to JPP we can rescind the tag and get the money. Tag/trade is looking at things too narrowly, trade is just one of the many potentially beneficial avenues that come from the tag. More likely, we tag him, he misses out on the spending spree for the big name free agents and talks to us about a more reasonable deal. It's called using the leverage you have, it isn't rocket science
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Giants tag him.....
Two scenarios....he signs it or he doesn't....
If he immediately signs it, is this money guaranteed? Can the Giants and him still negotiate out of the tag into a long term deal?
If he doesn't sign, then they can still negotiate a deal....but he doesn't have to show up for anything, until it is signed......
I think JPP is holding the cards on this.....17M to play one year? He steps out on the field the first game and it is guaranteed....he will be better prepared t have a stat year for his next contract.....the only thing that gets him to sign is guaranteed money, and the Giants would be crazy to do that with his health issues.....
$17 Million for JPP for 1 year is half of our available money for free agency. That is not good. Too many holes to fill IMO to allocate that much to one player this late in his career.
Ok again you haven't really spent the money if you tag someone, you can always rescind it. If you think JPP just signs the tag when it's put in front of him you haven't been paying attention
You have to sell it, no way he accepts 4/48, he would probably rather play on the 17 million dollar tag. 4/60 guarantee the first two years, that's it.
Now negotiations start...I assume this will be an exclusive tag, to try to get more leverage...
But suppose he does not agree to terms, and signs the tag...is that locked in, or can they renegotiate afterwards? If they can't we are screwed...
The other thing that worries me, if he doesn't sign a negotiated contract, and free agency begins, doesn't that reduce our options with 17M in limbo?
What seems risky to me is to go into the season with Vernon and a ?. If Vernon goes down your defense just got bad again.
Now negotiations start...I assume this will be an exclusive tag, to try to get more leverage...
But suppose he does not agree to terms, and signs the tag...is that locked in, or can they renegotiate afterwards? If they can't we are screwed...
The other thing that worries me, if he doesn't sign a negotiated contract, and free agency begins, doesn't that reduce our options with 17M in limbo?
1st Question - Yes. They can negotiate a long-term contract up to July 14th. The likelihood of your scenario is probably close to 0% as that would require him to show up to OTAs risking injury on what would be a single year contract. If he ends up signing a tag, it will be after July 14th and more likely after training camp.
2nd Question - Yes. The 17 mil must be allocated for the duration the tag is in place. If the Giants rescind the tag without negotiating a contract, he becomes a free agent and the 17 mil cap allocation becomes available.
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more like 4/48
You have to sell it, no way he accepts 4/48, he would probably rather play on the 17 million dollar tag. 4/60 guarantee the first two years, that's it.
We'll see, but Garafolo is plugged in and reading the tea leaves and I wager he'll be much more accurate than the projections for $15-18M some are speculating.
If the Giants sign him to 12/year that's awesome IMO. Really it all comes down to guaranteed money for the most part anyways.
Beyond that, it doesn't matter, he'll depart.
Beyond that, it doesn't matter, he'll depart.
Most are talking about his value, you are talking about what the giants will offer.
I'm not aware of anyone expecting the Giants to change their valuation of jPP based on external factors. Most teams I assume set a value and follow it.
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NYG has assigned a value, and that's that. If JPP wants to stay, he'll compromise.
Beyond that, it doesn't matter, he'll depart.
Most are talking about his value, you are talking about what the giants will offer.
I'm not aware of anyone expecting the Giants to change their valuation of jPP based on external factors. Most teams I assume set a value and follow it.
They value and follow it until and if they need to increase their offer at the eleventh hour
That is very intriguing. I can't fathom him playing for 12 but want him back. I always figured with the way the free agent market is some team would pay too much regardless of what he is worth.
But then again I'm not plugged into this on a professional level. One thing is for sure - it will be interesting.
Hope this proves right.. JPP on a deal at 12m annually is a steal when you look at what other players are getting..
Suspect the Giants would as well.