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have offers on table, phil holding out for a better one, my guess is he is traded by deadline, willy moves to starter for rest of year and noah is the back up...

I will admit I wanted him over Porzingis in the draft and I know he has disappointed but there is still potential there.

for mudiay. And anything they would get would just be because of where he was drafted. He has not been good at all. I mean Jameer Nelson has outplayed him by a significant margin, not a good sign.

i would take mudiay, jennings and 2 2mds for mudiay?

that and just take a chance that mudiay improves, which he can still def do. In that scenario we arent giving up any long term assets. But even with him not playing well yet in his career i cant imagine DEN makes that move. DEN does seem to want to make a push for the playoffs and they can def do it the way Jokic is playing. I could see them wanting to upgrade PG as its probably the weakest part of their team, but i doubt they see Jennings as much of an upgrade. Rose would be somewhat interesting for them, but i dont see how you make the salaries work.

i know people hate rose but he has the ability with zero jump shot and guys know it to get to the rim..

i think mudiay could learn a few things from him

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that and just take a chance that mudiay improves, which he can still def do. In that scenario we arent giving up any long term assets. But even with him not playing well yet in his career i cant imagine DEN makes that move. DEN does seem to want to make a push for the playoffs and they can def do it the way Jokic is playing. I could see them wanting to upgrade PG as its probably the weakest part of their team, but i doubt they see Jennings as much of an upgrade. Rose would be somewhat interesting for them, but i dont see how you make the salaries work.

denver has cap space and needs to get to the salary floor..

also i know for a fact that mudiay thought he was coming to the knicks and wanted to be in new york, he was told the knicks were going to draft him

i always forget that some teams are actually under the cap. I always just assume everyone is capped out. Well id trade Rose for Mudiay and filler. I am not a mudiay fan at all, but id def do that. Again I doubt DEN does it, but adding Rose would be pretty intriguing for them. They have good shooters in Gallo, Chandler, Harris, and Barton so Rose's ability to get to the rim would be pretty key for them.

on their usa vs world rosters for rookie sophmore game had mudiay on the knicks, they changed it though..

steve kyler has the screenshot

if you get a fair deal. His value will never be higher.

I get that Rose doesn't have much value, but ouch

I'd do it. Rose is fine, but he's not the NYK future. Mudiay could emerge.

i probably like it more then PHI and MINN (the teams people love to say will be the next big thing). They have young vets who are still solid to good players in Gallo, Chandler, Faried, and Barton (Barton is just coming into his own). Harris has been a very solid player for them. Jokic is a beast and then they have a few first or second year guys who still have a ton of upside in Murray, Hernangomez, and Mudiay (still has upside).

but realize this is the best time.

Love his intensity. Maybe the only current Knicks outside of the two young bigs who could have fit with that Ewing/Oak/Mason/Starks crew.

when they could just sign Rose in the offseason.

Don't ask why, but I was up and watched the last few minutes of the Lakers Kings game. Holy shit, is lou williams good. Amazing contract, top notch scorer, underrated play maker. LA could easily get a few firsts for him.

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but realize this is the best time. Love his intensity. Maybe the only current Knicks outside of the two young bigs who could have fit with that Ewing/Oak/Mason/Starks crew.

ewing and oakley would kick his ass on the days he doesnt bring it

In comment 13361520 Greg from LI said:

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I get that Rose doesn't have much value, but ouch

mudiay is only 20 years old

In comment 13361564 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13361520 Greg from LI said: Quote: I get that Rose doesn't have much value, but ouch mudiay is only 20 years old

I don't have much hope for Mudiay. That said he is only 20 and if he's only costing you 2nd rounders then of course you do it. Just doesn't make sense for Denver to sell low on him when his trade value is lower than Okafors.

And yeah thank god the Knicks didn't listen to me and take Mudiay. Could've been a train wreck.

Or really quiet? I don't know if in between is an option.

All the bottom feeders want to sell their vets and get assets for the future. But non-GS teams don't want to give up anything of value when they know they're not getting into the Cleveland/SA tier, let alone the GS tier. If Lou williams was having this season 3 years ago, he would've fetched a few first round picks. Same with Brook Lopez. But no team is a Lou williams or a brook Lopez away from anything.

Then there are the teams that are unhappy with their young players (Okafor, hezonja) and its difficult to gauge how much value they really have.

And then there are the teams with bad contracts (Portland) that will just be selling to get under the tax threshold.

as well. I doubt Rose would go there as a FA, but Denver would be a real fun team to watch.

They can do it, but I dont hold my breath on it. Whereas I very much buy into scouting reports that bigs have upside on their jumper. Difference is that most NBA bigs never had to use their jumper skills at lower levels.

I'd be interested in seeing a current scouting report on Mudiay. How much of his stink is related to the jumper? Where is he on offense? I wouldnt give up a lot for him but I'd tale him in a swap for a vet.

Rose will be there. He's made that pretty clear, and more power to him. It's a business.

As for the Knicks, I'll be pretty disappointed if we go to Cleveland on Feb. 23 with the same group we have now. We should at least cash in on KOQ's higher value, and dump Jennings for whatever we can.

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as well. I doubt Rose would go there as a FA, but Denver would be a real fun team to watch.

I think Rose will chase the $$, not due to greed but because the big $$ contract is affirming of his self-perceived status as still a superstar.

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as well. I doubt Rose would go there as a FA, but Denver would be a real fun team to watch.

Totally agree. Unfortunately Denver has a big salary cap issue next season with the addition of Plumlee, so I don't know how much they're going to splurge on other FAs in the offseason.

They really lucked out with Jokic as being a point center. I think they ultimately run with Murray and Harris at the 1 and the 2 spots.

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They can do it, but I dont hold my breath on it. Whereas I very much buy into scouting reports that bigs have upside on their jumper. Difference is that most NBA bigs never had to use their jumper skills at lower levels. I'd be interested in seeing a current scouting report on Mudiay. How much of his stink is related to the jumper? Where is he on offense? I wouldnt give up a lot for him but I'd tale him in a swap for a vet.

I don't think it's just the jumper, his passing skills were compared to John Wall and it's abysmal, especially considering his TO rate. I think his absolute ceiling is the 2017 version of Derrick Rose but he doesn't quite have that touch around the rim.

as the defacto point guard in Denver and run the offense through Jokic.

If I am the Knicks, and I can get Mudiday on the cheap - thats a gamble you take 100% of the time. If it doesnt work, you dont resign him. Nothing gain, nothing loss. But again, he is only 20 and its not like he hasnt played some good game. His problem is he cant shoot inside the arc. While shooting 30% from 3 isnt great, it isnt disasterous. Shooting under 40% from 2 is.

Again, he would be a junior in college this year, so there is room for growth.

I can't offer a scouting report, but I know he's never been much of a shooter. Look at his shooting chart compared to the other big PG from last year's draft, Russell.

from 0-3 ft: Russell .548, Mudiay .503
3-10 ft: Russell .468, Mudiay .246
10-16 ft: Russell .347, Mudiay .278
16-3pts: Russell .368, Mudiay .333
3s: Russell .349, Mudiay .308

Russell is also posting more assists with fewer turnovers despite playing for a significantly weaker team.

around the rim, but that's not the case either.

I'd rather use O'Quinn to get back into the first round and snag a Dwayne Bacon or OG Anunoby.

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I'd rather use O'Quinn to get back into the first round and snag a Dwayne Bacon or OG Anunoby.

If I were the Knicks - I would do that. Use mudiday as your backup PG this year. ANd try to trade Jennings.

are being shopped already. For all the shit we've been through, the basketball gods sure were smiling on the Knicks during that draft. Throw in Willy in the second round and it's by far the best night of Jackson's presidency.

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I'd rather use O'Quinn to get back into the first round and snag a Dwayne Bacon or OG Anunoby.

If KOQ is getting you a 1st in this draft sure. But if the choice is between a few 2nd rounders or a 1st next year for Mudiay, I take Mudiay.

This brings me back to my point from a few days ago: why exactly is Plumlee worth more than KOQ? Portland got Nurkic and a 1st rounder for Plumlee, I feel like KOQ would've been a better fit next to Jokic and isn't going to be making $15M next year for Denver, who is trying to manage expenses this summer.

For a guy like Mirotic (maybe throw in grant back too lol?). Mirotic has been straight garbage this year but it's still hard to ignore the previous two years.

How do you go from 39% 3 point shooting to 30% us beyond me. But if that shot is falling he's a damned good player, could pair with KP at the 5.

how much are the Knicks really worth? Report just came out the AVERAGE NBA franchise is worth 1.36 billion.

Billion per Forbes. Wow

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"The Nuggets are reportedly open to moving Danilo Gallinari (groin) at the trade deadline.
Gallinari has reportedly received interest from the Clippers, Celtics and Rockets, and of those locations, Los Angeles and Houston would be the best potential landing spots. As for Wednesday's game against the Timberwolves, Gallinari will not play, and with Wilson Chandler (illness) being listed as questionable, we could again see Juan Hernangomez in the starting lineup. To be clear, nothing is imminent on the trade front for The Rooster, but this is a situation we'll be monitoring closely.
Source: Forbes Feb 15 - 10:53 AM"

"The Pistons are open to moving Reggie Jackson at the deadline, according to Zach Lowe of ESPN.
Lowe states that while the Pistons are unlikely to part ways with Andre Drummond, sending away Jackson isn't entirely out of the question. Thus far, Jackson has been linked to New Orleans, Orlando and Minnesota, and out of all those potential destinations, Orlando would probably be the best landing spot as Jackson would easily be the No. 1 option on offense there. If he does end up getting traded and Detroit doesn't bring back a guard, Ish Smith would likely emerge as Detroit's starting point guard, so he's someone to consider stashing away in deeper leagues."

"The Trail Blazers are reportedly open to moving Allen Crabbe, Evan Turner (hand), Al-Farouq Aminu or Ed Davis if the right offer comes along.
Portland is looking to either acquire some draft picks or save money, so it wouldn't be all that surprising to see one of these guys dealt at the deadline. Portland currently owns the second-highest payroll in the NBA at $119 million, and that number will spike to $137 million next season when C.J. McCollum's extension kicks in. It's hard to justify spending that sort of cash when you're fighting for the No. 8 seed out West.
Source: Hoops Hype Feb 15 - 10:01 AM"

"The Lakers are reportedly actively shopping Lou Williams, and it seems likely that he will be moved by the trade deadline.
At 30 years old, Williams just doesn't make much sense on a rebuilding roster, and with a cap friendly contract, the Lakers should be able to get some nice return if they choose to deal the Sixth Man of the Year candidate. Sending away Sweet Lou would also open up minutes for Jordan Clarkson and D'Angelo Russell, but Williams would likely lose some value playing outside of Los Angeles."

Knicks should 1000% be in touch with the blazers if they're can get draft picks attached to someone like Evan Turner.

Also Simmons is probably not going to play this year. So the sixers force Hinkie out with Colangelo and he proceeds to do the same exact shit Hinkie would've done anyways. Nice!!

Knicks Had NBA-Record Operating Profit Of $141M In 15-16:

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In comment 13361715 DanMetroMan said:

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Knicks Had NBA-Record Operating Profit Of $141M In 15-16:

For those confused as to why Dolan doesn't want to start rebuilding or stop trying to win now, financially he doesn't really have an incentive to.

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Yes. 100 million in 2015-2016 from a new MSG TV deal.

"The Nuggets have reportedly made Emmanuel Mudiay (back) available in trade talks.
Mudiay's broken jumper severely limits his upside, and it's tough to have such an ineffective shooter as a starter in today's NBA. While Mudiay may be available, there doesn't appear to be much interest in him around the league. As for today's game against the Timberwolves, Mudiay is listed as questionable, but it seems unlikely that he'll take the court. Stay tuned.
Source: ESPN Feb 15 - 12:29 PM"

Also Willy starting again.

Or Chandler. Again, no point of half assing it.

In comment 13361720 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13361715 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Knicks Had NBA-Record Operating Profit Of $141M In 15-16: For those confused as to why Dolan doesn't want to start rebuilding or stop trying to win now, financially he doesn't really have an incentive to.

It's really one of the plum positions in the NBA. How many teams own their own arena, and regional cable network, and enjoy A+ prime real estate? The team is a goldmine. If and when he decides to sell, he'll easily top what Steve Balmer paid for the Clippers.

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It's really one of the plum positions in the NBA. How many teams own their own arena, and regional cable network, and enjoy A+ prime real estate? The team is a goldmine. If and when he decides to sell, he'll easily top what Steve Balmer paid for the Clippers.

We need someone to catch Dolan making either racially or sexually discriminating remarks so we can test this theory!

and a protected #2 for Mudiay. Do it.

In comment 13361775 DanMetroMan said:

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and a protected #2 for Mudiay. Do it.

i was a big mudiay guy going into that draft, would not mind taking a chance on him qhen he is still only 20..

really wouldnt mind adding hezonja either..

Plan A involves trading Melo. Until that is settle, they really can't do anything else, except maybe trade Rose. Everyone else may be needed for plan A. Plan B should be to trade anyone and everyone not named Kristaps or Willy, but they can't execute on that until plan A is dead.

With all that said, I don't see the knicks very active until the deadline for that reason.

39.3% FG

36.5% FG



Which one is Emmanuel Mudiay and which one is Chris Duhon?

first, I think they do a shitty job taking in the full picture. The value of a team includes incidentals that an owner makes. E.g. if you own the regional sports network and sign a sweatheart deal, it's value. If you own the concession/parking rights at the arena, it's value.

Second, i feel like Forbes tends to undershoot selling prices. I.e. they punch in numbers and it spits out a value, but in practice the teams sell at a premium to Forbes's estimates. Whether because the teams are a luxury good for the rich or because Forbes's formula is off (e.g. fails to take tax advantages into account), I dont trust the numbers.

I think the Knicks would sell for 4+ billion unless the MSGN deal is terrible. I know MSG stock is just at 4.2 bn, but I think that accounts for the belief that Dolan isnt selling. Being a NY team sports owner is a real status symbol for the guys who have everything, and I think a number of these uber rich media/financial guys would bid heavily on the team. At some point the team gets expensive enough that you dont have a ton of buyers. Only real concern on buying I think is the possibility that TV ad revenues decline for sports to more normal levels.

In comment 13361786 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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39.3% FG 36.5% FG Which one is Emmanuel Mudiay and which one is Chris Duhon?

The way you set the question up unbiasedly I have absolutely no clue! Please tell me!

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first, I think they do a shitty job taking in the full picture. The value of a team includes incidentals that an owner makes. E.g. if you own the regional sports network and sign a sweatheart deal, it's value. If you own the concession/parking rights at the arena, it's value. Second, i feel like Forbes tends to undershoot selling prices. I.e. they punch in numbers and it spits out a value, but in practice the teams sell at a premium to Forbes's estimates. Whether because the teams are a luxury good for the rich or because Forbes's formula is off (e.g. fails to take tax advantages into account), I dont trust the numbers. I think the Knicks would sell for 4+ billion unless the MSGN deal is terrible. I know MSG stock is just at 4.2 bn, but I think that accounts for the belief that Dolan isnt selling. Being a NY team sports owner is a real status symbol for the guys who have everything, and I think a number of these uber rich media/financial guys would bid heavily on the team. At some point the team gets expensive enough that you dont have a ton of buyers. Only real concern on buying I think is the possibility that TV ad revenues decline for sports to more normal levels.

The amount of hedge fund firepower in the city/CT would drive a bidding war through the roof. I think $4B is the starting point.

In comment 13361782 Keith said:

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Plan A involves trading Melo. Until that is settle, they really can't do anything else, except maybe trade Rose. Everyone else may be needed for plan A. Plan B should be to trade anyone and everyone not named Kristaps or Willy, but they can't execute on that until plan A is dead. With all that said, I don't see the knicks very active until the deadline for that reason.

Actually they can trade Rose, O'Quinn, or Jennings without moving Melo at all.

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In comment 13361775 DanMetroMan said: Quote: and a protected #2 for Mudiay. Do it. i was a big mudiay guy going into that draft, would not mind taking a chance on him qhen he is still only 20.. really wouldnt mind adding hezonja either..

Mudiay is probably a bust, and maybe Hezonja is as well but there are certain price points where you have to take a shot.

(his range is about 2 feet and he's not the kind of uber athletic Baron Davis type that he was projected to be)

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In comment 13361775 DanMetroMan said: Quote: and a protected #2 for Mudiay. Do it. i was a big mudiay guy going into that draft, would not mind taking a chance on him qhen he is still only 20.. really wouldnt mind adding hezonja either..

No sense in giving up anything for Mudiay if you scout his shot as likely to remain this bad. At the draft people said his shot was broken but had some potential. What has he been doing for 2 offseasons to fix it? What is the history of guards fixing a broken shot after this much time.

I think you need to throw out draft assessments of Mudiay. He has a fatal flaw in his game. At this point you need to assess whether he can fix it, and what his other tools are. Guy is a 4.2 assist PG on a team that can really shoot. Assist% fell from 29 to 22. It's not just shooting that he is falling behind Wall in.

KOQ

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In comment 13361782 Keith said: Quote: Plan A involves trading Melo. Until that is settle, they really can't do anything else, except maybe trade Rose. Everyone else may be needed for plan A. Plan B should be to trade anyone and everyone not named Kristaps or Willy, but they can't execute on that until plan A is dead. With all that said, I don't see the knicks very active until the deadline for that reason. Actually they can trade Rose, O'Quinn, or Jennings without moving Melo at all.

My point being that O'Quinn and Jennings may need to be a part of a Melo trade either to make salaries work or to sweeten the pot.

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KOQ

Really not clear. At this point he is not playable. He plays, but he's not actually playable according to the stats. How do you develop his non-shooting skills if you cant afford to play him?

Derrick Williams, who was a #2 overall and a better player, was traded for Mbah a Moute after 2 seasons. Luc was terrible. Thabeet AND Carroll AND a #1 were traded for a 32 year old Battier and Ish Smith. Thomas Robinson was traded during his rookie season with others for Aldrich and PAtterson and Toney D. You dont get to keep your lottery pick value in the NBA once everyone has pro game tape on you.

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My point being that O'Quinn and Jennings may need to be a part of a Melo trade either to make salaries work or to sweeten the pot.

More likely to sweeten the pot, given what Melo makes on his own.

well done

is value for guys who aren't good shooters but can run a team. Elfrid Payton comes to mind.

The problem with Mudiay is he's regressed in those aspects and hasn't progressed as a shooter to compensate at all. His age is really the only thing he has going for him right now.

And Jennings' contracts are a lot more valuable than people realize. Every year there is a team that wants to get rid of long term contracts. Phil shouldn't play dumb. Use them for the only value they have. Melo isn't getting traded, seek alternative options.

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well done

Thank you.

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In comment 13361820 JOMO25 said: Quote: well done Thank you.

Well arent you special now that someone finally listened to you!

I don't disagree about Rose but here is problem/challenge. Rose's $$, the 20mm or a big part of it is essentially next years PG (unless they tank in epic fashion). So does that 20mm get re-allocated in 2017 (the summer) to:

Rose on a new deal - highly unlikely

Jrue Holiday - maybe/hopefully

If not, do I dare absorb a longer term contract i.e.

Rose for Brandon Knight (and they sweeten with TJ Warren) - while I like Warren, Knight is crap

Rose for Rubio

Rose for Darren Collison

any other possibilities?

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And Jennings' contracts are a lot more valuable than people realize. Every year there is a team that wants to get rid of long term contracts. Phil shouldn't play dumb. Use them for the only value they have. Melo isn't getting traded, seek alternative options.

Because of the increase in the cap and some other issues (mostly the cap), there are not as many teams desperate to get out of contracts to make cap or tax space. And also, because of the rise in the cap, the really bad contracts tend to be the Summer of 2016 deals like the centers (including Noah) and Evan Turner. Take on one of those and it's 3 years of serious pain. Not sure there is much precedent for a team taking on 50 or 60 million in long term contract for "assets" (or even say 3 years x 10 million per under when the cap was ~50 million). The return would have to be really good.

OKC is home, and coming off two blowout losses. I remember looking at the schedule a couple of weeks ago and thinking they'd be 25-32 at the break - looks like 23-34 instead. Should be an interesting week of trade rumors...

that he wants. That much is clear. So, I'll say this again. I think the Knicks will resign him (unless they get a top PG in the draft).

the NYK resign Rose. I think Hornacek just despises every aspect of his game but the penetration ability. Granted its an elite skill, but all other parts of his game are dog shit.

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In comment 13361829 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: And Jennings' contracts are a lot more valuable than people realize. Every year there is a team that wants to get rid of long term contracts. Phil shouldn't play dumb. Use them for the only value they have. Melo isn't getting traded, seek alternative options. Because of the increase in the cap and some other issues (mostly the cap), there are not as many teams desperate to get out of contracts to make cap or tax space. And also, because of the rise in the cap, the really bad contracts tend to be the Summer of 2016 deals like the centers (including Noah) and Evan Turner. Take on one of those and it's 3 years of serious pain. Not sure there is much precedent for a team taking on 50 or 60 million in long term contract for "assets" (or even say 3 years x 10 million per under when the cap was ~50 million). The return would have to be really good.

@Deej and JOMO

Turner is someone I was thinking of. We trade Rose for Turner+Ezeli and Portands 2 back end 1st rounders and maybe someone like Vonleh or Connaughton

There's no precedent for taking that much, but given the cap space increasing, and the Knicks looking to purge Melo and Lee, what's the issue with filling our cap with bad deals? I really don't see the tangible difference of paying Turner/Ezeli $30M a year as opposed to Jrue Holiday $30M a year when we are going to be stuck in the lottery regardless.

Ezeli expires after next season. Portland needs to make moves to avoid being a crappy team that's over the tax.

When it's time to pay KP/Willy we'll have 1 more year of being stuck with Turner and Noah.

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the NYK resign Rose. I think Hornacek just despises every aspect of his game but the penetration ability. Granted its an elite skill, but all other parts of his game are dog shit.

I think the other PGs the Knicks will have a chance to sing all have similar if not more flaws.

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that he wants. That much is clear. So, I'll say this again. I think the Knicks will resign him (unless they get a top PG in the draft).

I don't think they re-sign him no matter what they do in the draft. I think they re-sign Jennings at a cheaper contract if that's the case. At least he gives effort on defense and can create shots for players other than himself.

I didn't realize how bad Rose was at traditional PG duties until he got here. If he's not scoring he's really got no value to a team.

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OKC is home, and coming off two blowout losses. I remember looking at the schedule a couple of weeks ago and thinking they'd be 25-32 at the break - looks like 23-34 instead. Should be an interesting week of trade rumors...

You're assuming dep doesn't curse us again tonight.

Say your prayers and maybe sacrifice an animal or two in Dep's name and he may be so kind as to let the thunder win over the Knicks tonight.

I guess losing to both LA and Denver at home kinda evens it out a bit - a 1-4 homestand is still productive if you're thinking about draft positioning.

Which means they'll probably give him a long-term deal. If they draft seventh or eighth, Fox or Ntilikina will likely be there for them anyway.

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In comment 13361858 dep026 said: Quote: that he wants. That much is clear. So, I'll say this again. I think the Knicks will resign him (unless they get a top PG in the draft). I don't think they re-sign him no matter what they do in the draft. I think they re-sign Jennings at a cheaper contract if that's the case. At least he gives effort on defense and can create shots for players other than himself. I didn't realize how bad Rose was at traditional PG duties until he got here. If he's not scoring he's really got no value to a team.

Rose passing has been much better the last few games. He will always be a scoring guard first.... but lets not kid ourselves.... he is still much better than Jennings.

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In comment 13361857 bceagle05 said: Quote: OKC is home, and coming off two blowout losses. I remember looking at the schedule a couple of weeks ago and thinking they'd be 25-32 at the break - looks like 23-34 instead. Should be an interesting week of trade rumors... You're assuming dep doesn't curse us again tonight. Say your prayers and maybe sacrifice an animal or two in Dep's name and he may be so kind as to let the thunder win over the Knicks tonight.

I got the Thunder big tonight. Ill go OKC by 14.

He got angry with me because I was cheering for a loss. He can't bring himself to do that.

The young guys are contributing I'm fine with that. Willy was big on defense and KP was knocking down 3s to keep them ahead of the SA.

I don't really care for Melo/Rose pulling the team to victory on their own. Nothing bold but I think we still only have 1 more win this month (OKC, CLE, PHI and TOR).

Sacramento is pulling themselves out of the muck of teams with similar records with their 4 game win streak. Need to hope Portland doesn't fall off too much. Dallas and NO seem to win one, lose one so hopefully slowly but surely they creep ahead.

I think it will be hard to dip below MIN, ORL, PHO, PHI, LAL and obviously BKN. I'll estimate we pick 7th.

That's been my magic number for awhile.

and we jump up a slot, too?

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Kennedy Today, I spoke to a general manager who was stunned that the Suns haven�t been talked about more leading up to the trade deadline because they are looking to make a big move. The GM told me that the Suns would love to package their assets to acquire a star. Keep in mind, this is a team that has all of their first-round picks, incoming first-rounders from the Miami Heat (in 2018 and 2021), and a roster full of young players such as Devin Booker (20 years old), Alex Len (23), TJ Warren (23), Brandon Knight (25), Marquese Chriss (19), Dragan Bender (19) and Tyler Ulis (20) among others that could be packaged in a trade. Much like the Boston Celtics and Denver Nuggets, this is a team that has the ability to put together a very interesting package.

The question is what stars are available?

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the NYK resign Rose. I think Hornacek just despises every aspect of his game but the penetration ability. Granted its an elite skill, but all other parts of his game are dog shit.

Agreed. I would think after watching Hornacek play for many years that he would hate Rose's game. Rose is the kind of guy that will see you wide open, look you in the eye and then drive to the hoop. I know he doesn't do that every time, but he does it a lot. I'm pretty sure a guy like Hornacek, who was such a great shooter, would hate that.

To see MIN surge a little. Lavine was the second best player in MIN this season but there were too many cooks in the kitchen. Not holding my breath but something I'll be watching.

I feel similar about the Bucks and Parker. Middleton is easing back into the rotation. Parker wasn't a Kidd draft pick, and if he were drafting in 2014 I'm not so sure he wouldn't have selected Embiid, Gordon or Exum. Although Parker has extended his range I don't see how he fits in Kidd's switch everything scheme. Parker has a bright future if he can get healthy but I'm not so sure that future will be in Milwaukee.

In comment 13361935 Deej said:

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is starting to strike me as a bit of a red flag against Lonzo. Granted, I dont know anything about him personally. But there is a lot of talk/flash from that family. I prefer my NBA stars to be silent, deadly types.

Lavar Ball is kind of obnoxious but I don't have a problem with any of the kids because of it. He and his wife played college basketball and he was a TE for the Jets so I don't want to bet against him.

The curry thing is a bit absurd but coming into the league I think Ball has much higher BBIQ (3 point shot isn't shabby either). There's a lot more to like defensively with ball as opposed to curry as well. Wouldn't say he's going to be Steph level good but he's certainly much more of a well-rounded, true PG than curry coming out.

At least he's not Jahlils dad threatening to punch bloggers who talk shit about his son.

In comment 13361936 Heisenberg said:

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In comment 13361934 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Kennedy Today, I spoke to a general manager who was stunned that the Suns haven�t been talked about more leading up to the trade deadline because they are looking to make a big move. The GM told me that the Suns would love to package their assets to acquire a star. Keep in mind, this is a team that has all of their first-round picks, incoming first-rounders from the Miami Heat (in 2018 and 2021), and a roster full of young players such as Devin Booker (20 years old), Alex Len (23), TJ Warren (23), Brandon Knight (25), Marquese Chriss (19), Dragan Bender (19) and Tyler Ulis (20) among others that could be packaged in a trade. Much like the Boston Celtics and Denver Nuggets, this is a team that has the ability to put together a very interesting package. The question is what stars are available?

I think they could put a half ass package together for butler/cousins should they get disgruntled. I don't know why they're rushing things. Bledsoe is a pretty fucking good player and I wonder if they should try the market for him.

Outside of Bledsoe, Booker, Chriss and picks I don't really think they have much. I don't think knight is half as bad as he looks right now but he has 0 trade value. I don't know what warren/bender would fetch in the open market besides back end 1st rounders or expiring vets. They'd need to part with chriss or Booker if they're targeting anyone legit, but they shouldn't be.

With Brandon knight.

For Mudiay Denver would grab in a minute. You wouldn't need to throw in picks. KOQ has one of the best contracts around.

This league is too starved for guards, and he's got an elite physical toolbox. And is a nifty passer. It all comes down to scouting -- I dont have a great read on him. But I'd be worried about giving a top 20 pick for him. What if he puts it together on the eve of UFA and you have to decide if it is real or not. What if he finds his shot on his 2nd contract/3rd team? You have a shorter window to coach him up.

I think the market for him is the offseason.

Not bad for a rookie second rounder with limited playing time.

In comment 13361983 dep026 said:

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With Brandon knight.

And Alex Len isn't much of one either. Decent defensive center, zero offensive game to speak of.

In comment 13361960 giantsfan44ab said:

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There's a lot more to like defensively with ball as opposed to curry as well.

There isn't anything to like defensively about anyone from UCLA. If there were ever such a thing as negative defense, UCLA plays it. Now, maybe you could say Ball should have the tools to be a good defender, but he is not required to defend at all in Westwood.

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In comment 13361983 dep026 said: Quote: With Brandon knight. And Alex Len isn't much of one either. Decent defensive center, zero offensive game to speak of.

His shot blocking is also overrated in context with his foul rate. I don't think the Suns signed a 33 year old Chandler to a 4 year deal because he was some massive upgrade over len on offense.

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In comment 13361960 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: There's a lot more to like defensively with ball as opposed to curry as well. There isn't anything to like defensively about anyone from UCLA. If there were ever such a thing as negative defense, UCLA plays it. Now, maybe you could say Ball should have the tools to be a good defender, but he is not required to defend at all in Westwood.

For NBA purposes it would be hard to imagine Ball being less than average on defense given his size, athletic ability and overall basketball awareness.

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In comment 13362049 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13361983 dep026 said: Quote: With Brandon knight. And Alex Len isn't much of one either. Decent defensive center, zero offensive game to speak of. His shot blocking is also overrated in context with his foul rate. I don't think the Suns signed a 33 year old Chandler to a 4 year deal because he was some massive upgrade over len on offense.

they signed tyson to get aldrisge, even had him in meeting with them after he literally signed 2 hours beforehand..

but in any event, how relevant is a roster move made in July 2015 to whether Len is a good or bad player in February 2017?

In comment 13361935 Deej said:

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is starting to strike me as a bit of a red flag against Lonzo. Granted, I dont know anything about him personally. But there is a lot of talk/flash from that family. I prefer my NBA stars to be silent, deadly types.

They sound like a nightmare. He'll be gone by the Knicks pick and I'm glad to be honest. I'd love to be able to root against him.

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but in any event, how relevant is a roster move made in July 2015 to whether Len is a good or bad player in February 2017?

i think signing thson stunted len, he should been the starting center and kept with their young team..

hornacek had them playing well with 2 point guards and the morris twins and they were young..

then they win 48 games and all of a sudden they try to go vets

says the Knicks may look to dump players since they are in a playoff race. PJ Tucker for a first here we come!

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says the Knicks may look to dump players since they are in a playoff race. PJ Tucker for a first here we come!

Wait "dump" players or trade for players?

May not. Not just Melo. But not trade off pieces at all. Battle for a playoff spot. Wonderful.

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says the Knicks may look to dump players since they are in a playoff race. PJ Tucker for a first here we come!

huh?

Right now the Knicks are sitting in the 9th. I think they drop off to about 5th before the lottery. If they do, even if they don't move up, I think at least one of those guys if not both will be available. Fultz and Ball are almost certainly two of the top three. I'll bet someone else in the top 5 likes Markkanen. Josh Jackson is likely top 5 as well, and perhaps Monk.

may just hold onto the guys they have and "go to war". Thus my PJ Tucker comment. Try and make the playoffs as if that has big value.

He was always a stiff.

they try to add a defensive wing player, if they lose they start dumping players...

i would dump either way...

i do like though that willy and kp seem to be the starting front court from here on out

Otherwise Phil needs to go. This team is 10 games under .500 with 26 games to go. Wave the white flag.

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May not. Not just Melo. But not trade off pieces at all. Battle for a playoff spot. Wonderful.

Fucking always living for the now NY Knicks.

becoming a big Josh Jackson fan if we don't land one of the PG's, of course he likely wouldn't be there when pick if the PG's aren't there.

But if they bring players in instead of selling players for picks, I give up.

In comment 13362098 Greg from LI said:

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Right now the Knicks are sitting in the 9th. I think they drop off to about 5th before the lottery. If they do, even if they don't move up, I think at least one of those guys if not both will be available. Fultz and Ball are almost certainly two of the top three. I'll bet someone else in the top 5 likes Markkanen. Josh Jackson is likely top 5 as well, and perhaps Monk.

i like bridges in the 9-10 slot

says he's never been approached with anything and Berman claims the Knicks and Cavs had one brief conversation regarding Love/Melo and never went anywhere. Sounds like we will keep the crappy roster we have. I love having to pray we DON'T add players at the deadline....

I know some don't like rooting against your favorite team, but if there was ever a night to root for a 30-point loss, tonight in OKC is the night.

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but in any event, how relevant is a roster move made in July 2015 to whether Len is a good or bad player in February 2017?

Because that roster move made in July 2015 is still starting (even though failed LMA signing and all) and getting the same amount of minutes even though his defense has fallen way off a cliff over the past 2 years. He's also averaging 8 ppg.

Everyone is up in arms about kristaps' foul struggles yet Len averages 1.3 more fouls than him per 36. Len doesn't look like a player you give more than 8-10 minutes a game on a good team.

In comment 13362107 Greg from LI said:

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But if they bring players in instead of selling players for picks, I give up.

if they do aomething like koq or jennings for tucker i wouldny be mad..

tucker is a free agent and has played for hornacek...

if they trade kuz or willy for a win now piece i will flip out

predicting big numbers from Rose tonight (he'll want to show off vs. Westbrook in his quest for a monster deal).

What's the point?

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In comment 13362107 Greg from LI said: Quote: But if they bring players in instead of selling players for picks, I give up. if they do aomething like koq or jennings for tucker i wouldny be mad.. tucker is a free agent and has played for hornacek... if they trade kuz or willy for a win now piece i will flip out

Why in the hell would you be okay with trading KOQ for a soon to be 32 year old pending FA PJ Tucker? That's literally giving him away.

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I know some don't like rooting against your favorite team, but if there was ever a night to root for a 30-point loss, tonight in OKC is the night.

#InDepWeTrust

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says he's never been approached with anything and Berman claims the Knicks and Cavs had one brief conversation regarding Love/Melo and never went anywhere. Sounds like we will keep the crappy roster we have. I love having to pray we DON'T add players at the deadline....

Or it sounds like they are both waiting and don't want to be the one to call.

Haven't watched an MSU game this year. I do find it a bit concerning that the Spartans are having a terrible season with Bridges as their star.

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becoming a big Josh Jackson fan if we don't land one of the PG's, of course he likely wouldn't be there when pick if the PG's aren't there.

+1. I havent seen a ton of the PGs, but I always worry about taking the last guy in a position run.

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In comment 13362106 DanMetroMan said: Quote: becoming a big Josh Jackson fan if we don't land one of the PG's, of course he likely wouldn't be there when pick if the PG's aren't there. +1. I havent seen a ton of the PGs, but I always worry about taking the last guy in a position run.

Which is why the French kid scares me a bit. I'm worried we salivate over a PG and then take him just because he's the last one standing. He might be very good, just concerns me.

Junk in my book. KP&WH I understand but I'm no Kuz fan.

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In comment 13362106 DanMetroMan said: Quote: becoming a big Josh Jackson fan if we don't land one of the PG's, of course he likely wouldn't be there when pick if the PG's aren't there. +1. I havent seen a ton of the PGs, but I always worry about taking the last guy in a position run.

Yeah, look at GS. Now they are stuck with Curry;)

is a potential long term above average NBA player. Kuz is an energy extra guy off the bench. Nice little find but easily replaceable. If someone loved him I would move him with the quickness. I'm hopeful we are IN on Milo� Teodosić.

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Haven't watched an MSU game this year. I do find it a bit concerning that the Spartans are having a terrible season with Bridges as their star.

That's the problem: Bridges is their star. He's not going to be a 25 ppg scorer in the league. MSU is awful this year. They were propped up by Gary Harris, Payne, Valentine, Trice and Forbes over the last 4 years. They don't have any solid seniors to show for it. Bridges is a high level 3 and D wing that gives you top notch rebounding for the 3 spot and a little play making. He's not going to carry a team but I can't pinpoint any major flaws. He checks out on defense occasionally and his attitude is questioned but he's probably one of the top 5 athletes in the draft.

His stats are more impressive but playing in the shitty-ass Pac 12, where defense is a dirty word, helps. Smith also plays for a terrible coach with mediocre at best teammates, which doesn't help him. His driving ability is elite, he can score or pass equally well, and his jump shot is pretty good, too.

In comment 13362134 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13362131 Deej said: Quote: In comment 13362106 DanMetroMan said: Quote: becoming a big Josh Jackson fan if we don't land one of the PG's, of course he likely wouldn't be there when pick if the PG's aren't there. +1. I havent seen a ton of the PGs, but I always worry about taking the last guy in a position run. Which is why the French kid scares me a bit. I'm worried we salivate over a PG and then take him just because he's the last one standing. He might be very good, just concerns me.

I've seen the French PG mocked above Fox on many different sites recently. I think he has a low bust rate because he can easily play the 2 guard spot if he fails at PG (not saying he will). He has a 7' wingspan, good athlete and shooting.

I probably take Fox given the two options but if you were to tell me who had a lower floor I think it would be Fox

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In comment 13362131 Deej said: Quote: In comment 13362106 DanMetroMan said: Quote: becoming a big Josh Jackson fan if we don't land one of the PG's, of course he likely wouldn't be there when pick if the PG's aren't there. +1. I havent seen a ton of the PGs, but I always worry about taking the last guy in a position run. Yeah, look at GS. Now they are stuck with Curry;)

I'd argue that Jennings ended the run

the rule of a run clearly states that once there are 2 non PG(or any position of a run) taken, the run is officially over.

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His stats are more impressive but playing in the shitty-ass Pac 12, where defense is a dirty word, helps. Smith also plays for a terrible coach with mediocre at best teammates, which doesn't help him. His driving ability is elite, he can score or pass equally well, and his jump shot is pretty good, too.

Which is why I think you have to do your best to separate team performance with individual performance.

Fultz is the #1 pick by almost anybody at this point and the last time I saw Washington was 4 games below .500 and gets blow the fuck out everytime they play a powerhouse.

Look at Ben Simmons last year. I view Smith and bridges in the same light. It's easy to grill a guy for checking out at times but if you're a freshman and your team isn't giving you any help I can't totally blame a kid for doing so.

Yeah it is better to have a Shump than not have a Shump. But what I really care about is how good the kid can be if the pick works out, and what we think the chance of him hitting that ceiling is. I wouldnt sacrifice upside for that probability that someone's downside is playable. Especially since I think the concept of a floor is wildly over-estimated.

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Haven't watched an MSU game this year. I do find it a bit concerning that the Spartans are having a terrible season with Bridges as their star.

he was hurt at the beginning of the year...

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Yeah it is better to have a Shump than not have a Shump. But what I really care about is how good the kid can be if the pick works out, and what we think the chance of him hitting that ceiling is. I wouldnt sacrifice upside for that probability that someone's downside is playable. Especially since I think the concept of a floor is wildly over-estimated.

Yeah I guess. Hezonja was labeled as the high floor guy but it really didn't work out well.

I'm just talking about translatable basketball skills. I don't see why Frenchie can't be a PG. He looks to run PnR at a high level (albeit it's Europe), he can shoot with distance and off the bounce (which was his biggest question mark), has elite size and good athleticism. He's a jack of all trades master of none type. He gives you flexibility, if you have a guy that can only play the 1 spot you can move him to the 2 (like rose).

I'm not against the French kid. He sounds passive to me if I had to state a concern.
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becoming a big Josh Jackson fan if we don't land one of the PG's, of course he likely wouldn't be there when pick if the PG's aren't there.

I'm trying to ignore what Josh Jackson is doing because I'm pretty sure we're not going to sniff him come draft time.

I think Ball and Fultz are locked into the top 2. Then the next two is locked at smith and Jackson. Then I think it's Tatum, Isaac, Fox, Bridges, Frenchie, monk, Markonnen.

LSU is a crap program under Johnny Jones. Lorenzo Romar might be the most underachieving coach in NCAA history given the talent he's had.

But Bridges plays for Tom Izzo. Coaching isn't the problem, then, and he's not in a traditionally poor program. Now, people have said that MSU's talent this season is much weaker than usual, and maybe that's true. Like I said, I don't follow them. However, there was a lot of noise in the offseason that this might be MSU's best recruiting class ever.

can't account for injuries but assuming normal health I'd be pretty stunned if Simmons isn't a game changing player. He did some things I've never really seen from a kid that big. I mean Giannis is a huge 1 and Jokic is almost like a 1, but Simmons fluidity, touch, hands even on the move were pretty eye opening. Outside shot obviously will likely dictate ultimate upside but Giannis makes it work right?

In comment 13362165 Greg from LI said:

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LSU is a crap program under Johnny Jones. Lorenzo Romar might be the most underachieving coach in NCAA history given the talent he's had. But Bridges plays for Tom Izzo. Coaching isn't the problem, then, and he's not in a traditionally poor program. Now, people have said that MSU's talent this season is much weaker than usual, and maybe that's true. Like I said, I don't follow them. However, there was a lot of noise in the offseason that this might be MSU's best recruiting class ever.

When was the last time MSU relied on one and dones to carry the program?

And they're not horrible, they're going to make the tournament. They're ranked 40 in RPI which isn't horrible considering they lost the national player of the year to graduation/NBA.

Has Draymond for 4 years, Payne for 4 years, Valentine for 4 years. They got lucky Garry harris stayed an extra year. Trice and Forbes were very underrated. Same with Costello (or whatever their Italian sounding stretch 4 was named).

They were overdue for a down year eventually.

simply because they are potential elite level defenders. How nice would it be to have a PG who can stay in front of his man and even force some turnovers? Offensively, it depends on your preference. Fox is more of a slasher without a three-point shot, and the French kid can run the halfcourt offense and shoot it a little better, but lacks some athleticism.

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simply because they are potential elite level defenders. How nice would it be to have a PG who can stay in front of his man and even force some turnovers? Offensively, it depends on your preference. Fox is more of a slasher without a three-point shot, and the French kid can run the halfcourt offense and shoot it a little better, but lacks some athleticism.

Along this vein, if we get a #1 or with one of our #2s, I would draft the most dogged defender under 6'9 available. Regardless of upside to do anything offensive. I want someone nasty. Someone who will inspire teammates to defend HARDER, lest they be ashamed that their teammate is so thoroughly outworking them.

This team straight up lacks physical toughness. You have some intense guys. Rose and Noah, certainly. KP and Melo intermittently. But so many guys shy away from contact. Melo will take contact offensive, but no on D. Reverse is true for Noah. KP isnt strong enough. Rose is worried about $$. Lee is totally unwilling to eat a foul and get to the line on a shitty close out. Even Willy I've see shy away. Knicks need a lot more sandpaper in their lineup. We dont need to play like a 1990s team, but we're very soft even for 2017.

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simply because they are potential elite level defenders. How nice would it be to have a PG who can stay in front of his man and even force some turnovers? Offensively, it depends on your preference. Fox is more of a slasher without a three-point shot, and the French kid can run the halfcourt offense and shoot it a little better, but lacks some athleticism.

You can have the greatest defender in the world guard the ball... it won't matter as long as your scheme how to guard a pick n roll is the same with rambis.

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In comment 13362180 bceagle05 said: Quote: simply because they are potential elite level defenders. How nice would it be to have a PG who can stay in front of his man and even force some turnovers? Offensively, it depends on your preference. Fox is more of a slasher without a three-point shot, and the French kid can run the halfcourt offense and shoot it a little better, but lacks some athleticism. You can have the greatest defender in the world guard the ball... it won't matter as long as your scheme how to guard a pick n roll is the same with rambis.

Rambis cant still be here. I'll be pissed if he returns next season. But if he does, Hornacek is getting fired sometime before 7/1/2018 and the new coach is not putting up with Rambis, even if Phil is still around.

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In comment 13362180 bceagle05 said: Quote: simply because they are potential elite level defenders. How nice would it be to have a PG who can stay in front of his man and even force some turnovers? Offensively, it depends on your preference. Fox is more of a slasher without a three-point shot, and the French kid can run the halfcourt offense and shoot it a little better, but lacks some athleticism. Along this vein, if we get a #1 or with one of our #2s, I would draft the most dogged defender under 6'9 available. Regardless of upside to do anything offensive. I want someone nasty. Someone who will inspire teammates to defend HARDER, lest they be ashamed that their teammate is so thoroughly outworking them. This team straight up lacks physical toughness. You have some intense guys. Rose and Noah, certainly. KP and Melo intermittently. But so many guys shy away from contact. Melo will take contact offensive, but no on D. Reverse is true for Noah. KP isnt strong enough. Rose is worried about $$. Lee is totally unwilling to eat a foul and get to the line on a shitty close out. Even Willy I've see shy away. Knicks need a lot more sandpaper in their lineup. We dont need to play like a 1990s team, but we're very soft even for 2017.

If RHJ is still on the trade block I wouldn't be opposed to giving a future first (not this years) for him. He's an in-your-face type player on both ends. He can't shoot but he's not tony allen on offense. Offers play making and elite rebounding for a 2/3. Can run him as a 4 in small lineups as well.

KP, Willy and this year's top 10 pick are what matter. Everything else is just noise.

If you can get Mudiay on the cheap I would be all over it. Definitely worth a gamble. Point guards can take time to develop- Chauncey Billups, Lowry and plenty of others. If you could get him for KOQ I would roll the dice. I want the Knicks to be targeting young buy low players- Mudiay, Hezonja, etc. Instead I'm sure they will trade for vets for a playoff push.

I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is.

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I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is.

1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo.
2. Rose will not nor should he bought out.
3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that.

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I will lead the ship for tanking, but if we are replacing Melo with Kuz and Rose/Jennings with Baker, you can expect struggles from KP and Willy.

Thats why Im not against Rubio. He's super ball dominant, and will at least give those two an easier time without pressure to take bad shots.

"Although he played in the Jordan Brand Classic and ended up an RSCI Top-30 recruit, Miami freshman guard Bruce Brown has always flown slightly under the radar relative to many of his peers.

Despite his shredded frame, long arms, high motor, explosive first step, tendency to throw down violent dunks and his likely intentional Russell Westbrook look and demeanor, Brown wasn't a McDonald's All-American or a member of the Nike Hoop Summit team. He was never involved in USA Basketball, nor was he considered much an elite-level freshman coming into his first year at Miami as one of the oldest players in his class.

In part, the 20-year-old Brown was overlooked but he also wasn't the most skilled player on the youth circuit. A physical, hard-playing athlete who also thrived on the gridiron as a safety and wide receiver, Brown, cousin of UConn guard Jalen Adams, had quite a bit of room to improve his skill level and feel for the game in order to be considered a top-flight prospect.

We're now 24 games into his freshman season at Miami, and Brown has made great strides in his offensive game and is arguably the Hurricanes' most impactful player when taking into consideration his stellar two-way play. He's playing on the ball as a lead facilitator for long stretches, has proven he's more than just a slasher out of pick and roll, and is even shooting 37% from three on 65 attempts (91st percentile in catch and shoot efficiency according to Synergy Sports). For reference, in 62 EYBL games from 2013 to 2015 Brown shot only 99 threes at a 27% clip and knocked down only 61% of his free throws. As was the case as a youngster, Brown, who comes from a humble background with ten siblings, is still playing with tremendous energy and physicality on the defensive end while mixing it up on the glass.

Brown has cemented himself as a NBA prospect in the loaded ACC (although how early that will materialize remains to be seen) and has developed into a downhill, attacking combo guard who can facilitate, spot-shoot, defend and rebound. Here's an in-depth look at the areas where Brown has been most valuable for Miami thus far: "

Talk about a guy who lives for defense. He's a shot blocking, high level rebounding 2 guard. Can play make and hit 3s.
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Doing a game...

Oh fuck me.

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Doing a game... Oh fuck me.

Have it on silent.

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In comment 13362216 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is. 1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo. 2. Rose will not nor should he bought out. 3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that.

I realize your a fan of Rose but what's the purpose for keeping Rose on this team after the deadline? Push for the playoffs? Watch him put his head down and go to the hole to get his stats in hopes of a contract? I assume and truly hope he's not in the Knicks' long term plans Wouldn't it be better for him to sign on with a playoff team if he was bought out? I admit I'm biased because I can't stand watching the guy play but I don't see any need to keep him on the team with 27 games to play...

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In comment 13362216 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is. 1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo. 2. Rose will not nor should he bought out. 3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that.

There is a market for Melo (and it should be a big market) but the ridiculous NTC neuters the Knicks ability to trade him.

More than that, the NBA has become a joke with most teams refusing to even compete/improve because of the Cavs and the Warriors. So that limits things for the Knicks even more. Melo is still a premier scorer. Not as much so now because he's stuck on the shitty Knicks. But put him on a better team and he'd be a big threat. And while he's not a great defensive talent, even that is overblown.

And Phil devaluing publicly the main talent he's trying to trade is the most mind boggling thing ever. For that alone, Phil is a shitty team President.

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In comment 13362219 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 13362216 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is. 1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo. 2. Rose will not nor should he bought out. 3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that. I realize your a fan of Rose but what's the purpose for keeping Rose on this team after the deadline? Push for the playoffs? Watch him put his head down and go to the hole to get his stats in hopes of a contract? I assume and truly hope he's not in the Knicks' long term plans Wouldn't it be better for him to sign on with a playoff team if he was bought out? I admit I'm biased because I can't stand watching the guy play but I don't see any need to keep him on the team with 27 games to play...

Because he hasn't been nearly as bad as people have claomed.

Bill Pidto mentioned breaking news about Melo, and I thought he was gonna announce a trade.

knicks hot start

and Rose on VO. WTF Horny?

during a 14-2 road start.

on that phantom call.

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"Time out for what?"

They're playing really well and shooting lights out. And Melo is red hot with16 points already. Why call a TO?

By far Phils second worst move next to Noah

Eddie Munster coaches the Thunder.

I can't stand this kind of first quarter!

Melo with 19???

Knicks with 39???

is Lance Thomas doing in the game?

what nba player picks up their dribble in the back court?

and btw these refs are horrible

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Don't worry. They'll blow it.

but jennings is out tonight, knicks said sore achilles..

speculation is he was traded, changed all of his instagram and twitter bios, took off any knicks affiliation

No foul.

Westbrook gets breathed on - foul!

Fuck the nba.

looks like shit right now. He needs a go to move.

For whatever junk they could get to try to "win now".

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looks like shit right now. He needs a go to move.

Seriously. They might as well bench for a week to get his feet underneath him. He looks like he's playing on fumes the past month.

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For whatever junk they could get to try to "win now".

Well Pj tucker is playing so...good sign?

Supposedly a lot of scouts in the building - so far a nice showing from the "trade bait" crew.

And by good, I mean like watery shit.

the knicks went down the shitter

why Lance gets so many minutes. He missed extended time due to injury and was immediately given crunch time minutes upon his return. It's baffling.

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And by good, I mean like watery shit.

You're really balling out with your shit metaphors today.

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why Lance gets so many minutes. He missed extended time due to injury and was immediately given crunch time minutes upon his return. It's baffling.

And he hasn't the longest leash I have ever seen

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Supposedly a lot of scouts in the building - so far a nice showing from the "trade bait" crew.

He is not even on the bench

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I have to take one now. But I'm waiting for right before beddy bye.

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who would be interested in Jennings. It would have to be a competing team. I'd move him for a first in a heartbeat.

motherfucking bullshit fuck

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isn't watching these hook shots from KP.

KP with that ridiculous hook shot on the run has been hilarious to watch.

the knicks suck. holy shit.

I am shocked

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Lol.

And throw it in the bushes on the way to the bus, then tell the bus driver to step on it.

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KP with that ridiculous hook shot on the run has been hilarious to watch.

He makes his shots so difficult, he had 2 open shots instead he tried to drive, just rise and fire

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who would be interested in Jennings. It would have to be a competing team. I'd move him for a first in a heartbeat.

Lol...GS??

Wow.

Just wow, get Lance Thomas off this fucking team

He is horrible

in peace during halftime.

Showcasing. 20 points, 5 mins left

for the Dunleavy trade exception and a Cavs first makes too much sense for both teams.

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for the Dunleavy trade exception and a Cavs first makes too much sense for both teams.

Nevermind, doesnt look like the Cavs own their first.

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for the Dunleavy trade exception and a Cavs first makes too much sense for both teams.

Dunleavy is on Atlanta.

Didn't korvers salary match with dunleavys?

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Didn't korvers salary match with dunleavys?

Nope. According to the ESPN trade machine they have a 4.8M exception.

Zach Lavine???? Holy crap.

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Zach Lavine???? Holy crap.

Huh?

The Knicks select Jayson Tatum.

My God is he putting on right now.

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In comment 13362451 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: Zach Lavine???? Holy crap. Huh?

He scored 41 yesterday and has 33 at the start of the 4th. I think he's averaging like 30 a game since Lavine went down

Put him on the bench. He's not comfortable doing anything right now.

began their All-Star Break at halftime.

I'm not a basketball expert by any means. I'm not even a layman. But, wtf has happened to this guy?

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began their All-Star Break at halftime.

So did the refs. They might as well cancel the game. This is supposed to be a professional league.

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I'm not a basketball expert by any means. I'm not even a layman. But, wtf has happened to this guy?

He hurt his Achilles about a month or so ago. You can call me out on making excuses but his numbers dipped tremendously after a surging start and he doesn't look as explosive out there. He needs to be shut down or at least put on a restriction.

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but you cannot use the exception with anything else to make a trade. Has to be player for exception I believe.

to grab boards and turn around in transition. The kid is not right. Don't force the fucking issue

is like watching the annoying kid at the gym that thinks he is really good at basketball but sucks really bad but still takes all the shots

He's really an exciting player.

they need to be sent to a mental inatitutio...

if phil does not blow up this team during the all star break there is something wrong with him

did not make one call against okc tonight

Perry Jones?

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did not make one call against okc tonight

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I got the Thunder big tonight. Ill go OKC by 14.

I am right there!

with 25 games left. Don't be an stubborn prick here, Phil - do the right thing and trade off some pieces. Even if we miraculously play .500 ball after the break, we're looking at 35 wins. Fuck that. Look to the draft.

Jennings?

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Jennings?

nothing, someone tweeted they saw him on the bench, i didnt see him

Do it. Do it.

That explains the lethargy.

2.5 games to the 4th spot and I'm pissed I keep looking at league records.

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The Knicks select Jayson Tatum. My God is he putting on right now.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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In comment 13362456 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: The Knicks select Jayson Tatum. My God is he putting on right now. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Nothing personal Greg. It will feel much better when he's dropping 20 a game for the Knicks.

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Jennings?

Sore achillies

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In comment 13362512 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: Jennings? Sore achillies

dan did you miss the whole made his twitter and instagram private and deleted anything knicks?

also was not seen on the bench