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have offers on table, phil holding out for a better one, my guess is he is traded by deadline, willy moves to starter for rest of year and noah is the back up...

I will admit I wanted him over Porzingis in the draft and I know he has disappointed but there is still potential there.

for mudiay. And anything they would get would just be because of where he was drafted. He has not been good at all. I mean Jameer Nelson has outplayed him by a significant margin, not a good sign.

i would take mudiay, jennings and 2 2mds for mudiay?

that and just take a chance that mudiay improves, which he can still def do. In that scenario we arent giving up any long term assets. But even with him not playing well yet in his career i cant imagine DEN makes that move. DEN does seem to want to make a push for the playoffs and they can def do it the way Jokic is playing. I could see them wanting to upgrade PG as its probably the weakest part of their team, but i doubt they see Jennings as much of an upgrade. Rose would be somewhat interesting for them, but i dont see how you make the salaries work.

i know people hate rose but he has the ability with zero jump shot and guys know it to get to the rim..

i think mudiay could learn a few things from him

In comment 13361498 Italianju said:

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that and just take a chance that mudiay improves, which he can still def do. In that scenario we arent giving up any long term assets. But even with him not playing well yet in his career i cant imagine DEN makes that move. DEN does seem to want to make a push for the playoffs and they can def do it the way Jokic is playing. I could see them wanting to upgrade PG as its probably the weakest part of their team, but i doubt they see Jennings as much of an upgrade. Rose would be somewhat interesting for them, but i dont see how you make the salaries work.

denver has cap space and needs to get to the salary floor..

also i know for a fact that mudiay thought he was coming to the knicks and wanted to be in new york, he was told the knicks were going to draft him

i always forget that some teams are actually under the cap. I always just assume everyone is capped out. Well id trade Rose for Mudiay and filler. I am not a mudiay fan at all, but id def do that. Again I doubt DEN does it, but adding Rose would be pretty intriguing for them. They have good shooters in Gallo, Chandler, Harris, and Barton so Rose's ability to get to the rim would be pretty key for them.

on their usa vs world rosters for rookie sophmore game had mudiay on the knicks, they changed it though..

steve kyler has the screenshot

if you get a fair deal. His value will never be higher.

I get that Rose doesn't have much value, but ouch

I'd do it. Rose is fine, but he's not the NYK future. Mudiay could emerge.

i probably like it more then PHI and MINN (the teams people love to say will be the next big thing). They have young vets who are still solid to good players in Gallo, Chandler, Faried, and Barton (Barton is just coming into his own). Harris has been a very solid player for them. Jokic is a beast and then they have a few first or second year guys who still have a ton of upside in Murray, Hernangomez, and Mudiay (still has upside).

but realize this is the best time.

Love his intensity. Maybe the only current Knicks outside of the two young bigs who could have fit with that Ewing/Oak/Mason/Starks crew.

when they could just sign Rose in the offseason.

Don't ask why, but I was up and watched the last few minutes of the Lakers Kings game. Holy shit, is lou williams good. Amazing contract, top notch scorer, underrated play maker. LA could easily get a few firsts for him.

In comment 13361529 Beezer said:

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but realize this is the best time. Love his intensity. Maybe the only current Knicks outside of the two young bigs who could have fit with that Ewing/Oak/Mason/Starks crew.

ewing and oakley would kick his ass on the days he doesnt bring it

In comment 13361520 Greg from LI said:

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I get that Rose doesn't have much value, but ouch

mudiay is only 20 years old

In comment 13361564 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13361520 Greg from LI said: Quote: I get that Rose doesn't have much value, but ouch mudiay is only 20 years old

I don't have much hope for Mudiay. That said he is only 20 and if he's only costing you 2nd rounders then of course you do it. Just doesn't make sense for Denver to sell low on him when his trade value is lower than Okafors.

And yeah thank god the Knicks didn't listen to me and take Mudiay. Could've been a train wreck.

Or really quiet? I don't know if in between is an option.

All the bottom feeders want to sell their vets and get assets for the future. But non-GS teams don't want to give up anything of value when they know they're not getting into the Cleveland/SA tier, let alone the GS tier. If Lou williams was having this season 3 years ago, he would've fetched a few first round picks. Same with Brook Lopez. But no team is a Lou williams or a brook Lopez away from anything.

Then there are the teams that are unhappy with their young players (Okafor, hezonja) and its difficult to gauge how much value they really have.

And then there are the teams with bad contracts (Portland) that will just be selling to get under the tax threshold.

as well. I doubt Rose would go there as a FA, but Denver would be a real fun team to watch.

They can do it, but I dont hold my breath on it. Whereas I very much buy into scouting reports that bigs have upside on their jumper. Difference is that most NBA bigs never had to use their jumper skills at lower levels.

I'd be interested in seeing a current scouting report on Mudiay. How much of his stink is related to the jumper? Where is he on offense? I wouldnt give up a lot for him but I'd tale him in a swap for a vet.

Rose will be there. He's made that pretty clear, and more power to him. It's a business.

As for the Knicks, I'll be pretty disappointed if we go to Cleveland on Feb. 23 with the same group we have now. We should at least cash in on KOQ's higher value, and dump Jennings for whatever we can.

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as well. I doubt Rose would go there as a FA, but Denver would be a real fun team to watch.

I think Rose will chase the $$, not due to greed but because the big $$ contract is affirming of his self-perceived status as still a superstar.

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as well. I doubt Rose would go there as a FA, but Denver would be a real fun team to watch.

Totally agree. Unfortunately Denver has a big salary cap issue next season with the addition of Plumlee, so I don't know how much they're going to splurge on other FAs in the offseason.

They really lucked out with Jokic as being a point center. I think they ultimately run with Murray and Harris at the 1 and the 2 spots.

In comment 13361607 Deej said:

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They can do it, but I dont hold my breath on it. Whereas I very much buy into scouting reports that bigs have upside on their jumper. Difference is that most NBA bigs never had to use their jumper skills at lower levels. I'd be interested in seeing a current scouting report on Mudiay. How much of his stink is related to the jumper? Where is he on offense? I wouldnt give up a lot for him but I'd tale him in a swap for a vet.

I don't think it's just the jumper, his passing skills were compared to John Wall and it's abysmal, especially considering his TO rate. I think his absolute ceiling is the 2017 version of Derrick Rose but he doesn't quite have that touch around the rim.

as the defacto point guard in Denver and run the offense through Jokic.

If I am the Knicks, and I can get Mudiday on the cheap - thats a gamble you take 100% of the time. If it doesnt work, you dont resign him. Nothing gain, nothing loss. But again, he is only 20 and its not like he hasnt played some good game. His problem is he cant shoot inside the arc. While shooting 30% from 3 isnt great, it isnt disasterous. Shooting under 40% from 2 is.

Again, he would be a junior in college this year, so there is room for growth.

I can't offer a scouting report, but I know he's never been much of a shooter. Look at his shooting chart compared to the other big PG from last year's draft, Russell.

from 0-3 ft: Russell .548, Mudiay .503
3-10 ft: Russell .468, Mudiay .246
10-16 ft: Russell .347, Mudiay .278
16-3pts: Russell .368, Mudiay .333
3s: Russell .349, Mudiay .308

Russell is also posting more assists with fewer turnovers despite playing for a significantly weaker team.

around the rim, but that's not the case either.

I'd rather use O'Quinn to get back into the first round and snag a Dwayne Bacon or OG Anunoby.

In comment 13361631 bceagle05 said:

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I'd rather use O'Quinn to get back into the first round and snag a Dwayne Bacon or OG Anunoby.

If I were the Knicks - I would do that. Use mudiday as your backup PG this year. ANd try to trade Jennings.

are being shopped already. For all the shit we've been through, the basketball gods sure were smiling on the Knicks during that draft. Throw in Willy in the second round and it's by far the best night of Jackson's presidency.

In comment 13361631 bceagle05 said:

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I'd rather use O'Quinn to get back into the first round and snag a Dwayne Bacon or OG Anunoby.

If KOQ is getting you a 1st in this draft sure. But if the choice is between a few 2nd rounders or a 1st next year for Mudiay, I take Mudiay.

This brings me back to my point from a few days ago: why exactly is Plumlee worth more than KOQ? Portland got Nurkic and a 1st rounder for Plumlee, I feel like KOQ would've been a better fit next to Jokic and isn't going to be making $15M next year for Denver, who is trying to manage expenses this summer.

For a guy like Mirotic (maybe throw in grant back too lol?). Mirotic has been straight garbage this year but it's still hard to ignore the previous two years.

How do you go from 39% 3 point shooting to 30% us beyond me. But if that shot is falling he's a damned good player, could pair with KP at the 5.

how much are the Knicks really worth? Report just came out the AVERAGE NBA franchise is worth 1.36 billion.

Billion per Forbes. Wow

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"The Nuggets are reportedly open to moving Danilo Gallinari (groin) at the trade deadline.
Gallinari has reportedly received interest from the Clippers, Celtics and Rockets, and of those locations, Los Angeles and Houston would be the best potential landing spots. As for Wednesday's game against the Timberwolves, Gallinari will not play, and with Wilson Chandler (illness) being listed as questionable, we could again see Juan Hernangomez in the starting lineup. To be clear, nothing is imminent on the trade front for The Rooster, but this is a situation we'll be monitoring closely.
Source: Forbes Feb 15 - 10:53 AM"

"The Pistons are open to moving Reggie Jackson at the deadline, according to Zach Lowe of ESPN.
Lowe states that while the Pistons are unlikely to part ways with Andre Drummond, sending away Jackson isn't entirely out of the question. Thus far, Jackson has been linked to New Orleans, Orlando and Minnesota, and out of all those potential destinations, Orlando would probably be the best landing spot as Jackson would easily be the No. 1 option on offense there. If he does end up getting traded and Detroit doesn't bring back a guard, Ish Smith would likely emerge as Detroit's starting point guard, so he's someone to consider stashing away in deeper leagues."

"The Trail Blazers are reportedly open to moving Allen Crabbe, Evan Turner (hand), Al-Farouq Aminu or Ed Davis if the right offer comes along.
Portland is looking to either acquire some draft picks or save money, so it wouldn't be all that surprising to see one of these guys dealt at the deadline. Portland currently owns the second-highest payroll in the NBA at $119 million, and that number will spike to $137 million next season when C.J. McCollum's extension kicks in. It's hard to justify spending that sort of cash when you're fighting for the No. 8 seed out West.
Source: Hoops Hype Feb 15 - 10:01 AM"

"The Lakers are reportedly actively shopping Lou Williams, and it seems likely that he will be moved by the trade deadline.
At 30 years old, Williams just doesn't make much sense on a rebuilding roster, and with a cap friendly contract, the Lakers should be able to get some nice return if they choose to deal the Sixth Man of the Year candidate. Sending away Sweet Lou would also open up minutes for Jordan Clarkson and D'Angelo Russell, but Williams would likely lose some value playing outside of Los Angeles."

Knicks should 1000% be in touch with the blazers if they're can get draft picks attached to someone like Evan Turner.

Also Simmons is probably not going to play this year. So the sixers force Hinkie out with Colangelo and he proceeds to do the same exact shit Hinkie would've done anyways. Nice!!

Knicks Had NBA-Record Operating Profit Of $141M In 15-16:

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In comment 13361715 DanMetroMan said:

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Knicks Had NBA-Record Operating Profit Of $141M In 15-16:

For those confused as to why Dolan doesn't want to start rebuilding or stop trying to win now, financially he doesn't really have an incentive to.

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Yes. 100 million in 2015-2016 from a new MSG TV deal.

"The Nuggets have reportedly made Emmanuel Mudiay (back) available in trade talks.
Mudiay's broken jumper severely limits his upside, and it's tough to have such an ineffective shooter as a starter in today's NBA. While Mudiay may be available, there doesn't appear to be much interest in him around the league. As for today's game against the Timberwolves, Mudiay is listed as questionable, but it seems unlikely that he'll take the court. Stay tuned.
Source: ESPN Feb 15 - 12:29 PM"

Also Willy starting again.

Or Chandler. Again, no point of half assing it.

In comment 13361720 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13361715 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Knicks Had NBA-Record Operating Profit Of $141M In 15-16: For those confused as to why Dolan doesn't want to start rebuilding or stop trying to win now, financially he doesn't really have an incentive to.

It's really one of the plum positions in the NBA. How many teams own their own arena, and regional cable network, and enjoy A+ prime real estate? The team is a goldmine. If and when he decides to sell, he'll easily top what Steve Balmer paid for the Clippers.

In comment 13361761 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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It's really one of the plum positions in the NBA. How many teams own their own arena, and regional cable network, and enjoy A+ prime real estate? The team is a goldmine. If and when he decides to sell, he'll easily top what Steve Balmer paid for the Clippers.

We need someone to catch Dolan making either racially or sexually discriminating remarks so we can test this theory!

and a protected #2 for Mudiay. Do it.

In comment 13361775 DanMetroMan said:

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and a protected #2 for Mudiay. Do it.

i was a big mudiay guy going into that draft, would not mind taking a chance on him qhen he is still only 20..

really wouldnt mind adding hezonja either..

Plan A involves trading Melo. Until that is settle, they really can't do anything else, except maybe trade Rose. Everyone else may be needed for plan A. Plan B should be to trade anyone and everyone not named Kristaps or Willy, but they can't execute on that until plan A is dead.

With all that said, I don't see the knicks very active until the deadline for that reason.

39.3% FG

36.5% FG



Which one is Emmanuel Mudiay and which one is Chris Duhon?

first, I think they do a shitty job taking in the full picture. The value of a team includes incidentals that an owner makes. E.g. if you own the regional sports network and sign a sweatheart deal, it's value. If you own the concession/parking rights at the arena, it's value.

Second, i feel like Forbes tends to undershoot selling prices. I.e. they punch in numbers and it spits out a value, but in practice the teams sell at a premium to Forbes's estimates. Whether because the teams are a luxury good for the rich or because Forbes's formula is off (e.g. fails to take tax advantages into account), I dont trust the numbers.

I think the Knicks would sell for 4+ billion unless the MSGN deal is terrible. I know MSG stock is just at 4.2 bn, but I think that accounts for the belief that Dolan isnt selling. Being a NY team sports owner is a real status symbol for the guys who have everything, and I think a number of these uber rich media/financial guys would bid heavily on the team. At some point the team gets expensive enough that you dont have a ton of buyers. Only real concern on buying I think is the possibility that TV ad revenues decline for sports to more normal levels.