-Nothing really notable in Knicksville
-Pistons reportedly gauged the market on Drummond/Jackson
-Denver shopping Mudiay
-Alex Kennedy says "very, very little" chance Melo to Cleveland happens
Around the league-
Frye 21 and 10 in place of Love
-Wiggins 41, 3 and 3 on 16-29. He really plays well vs. the Cavs aka his "ex" team. He's been ridiculous lately in general averaging 31, 4 and 3 on 56/46
-Towns 26, 8 and 4
-Cousins 40, 12, 8 assists 2 blocks
-WCS 8 and 3
- Ingram 2-7 6 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists
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Which one is Emmanuel Mudiay and which one is Chris Duhon?
The way you set the question up unbiasedly I have absolutely no clue! Please tell me!
Second, i feel like Forbes tends to undershoot selling prices. I.e. they punch in numbers and it spits out a value, but in practice the teams sell at a premium to Forbes's estimates. Whether because the teams are a luxury good for the rich or because Forbes's formula is off (e.g. fails to take tax advantages into account), I dont trust the numbers.
I think the Knicks would sell for 4+ billion unless the MSGN deal is terrible. I know MSG stock is just at 4.2 bn, but I think that accounts for the belief that Dolan isnt selling. Being a NY team sports owner is a real status symbol for the guys who have everything, and I think a number of these uber rich media/financial guys would bid heavily on the team. At some point the team gets expensive enough that you dont have a ton of buyers. Only real concern on buying I think is the possibility that TV ad revenues decline for sports to more normal levels.
The amount of hedge fund firepower in the city/CT would drive a bidding war through the roof. I think $4B is the starting point.
With all that said, I don't see the knicks very active until the deadline for that reason.
Actually they can trade Rose, O'Quinn, or Jennings without moving Melo at all.
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and a protected #2 for Mudiay. Do it.
i was a big mudiay guy going into that draft, would not mind taking a chance on him qhen he is still only 20..
really wouldnt mind adding hezonja either..
Mudiay is probably a bust, and maybe Hezonja is as well but there are certain price points where you have to take a shot.
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and a protected #2 for Mudiay. Do it.
i was a big mudiay guy going into that draft, would not mind taking a chance on him qhen he is still only 20..
really wouldnt mind adding hezonja either..
No sense in giving up anything for Mudiay if you scout his shot as likely to remain this bad. At the draft people said his shot was broken but had some potential. What has he been doing for 2 offseasons to fix it? What is the history of guards fixing a broken shot after this much time.
I think you need to throw out draft assessments of Mudiay. He has a fatal flaw in his game. At this point you need to assess whether he can fix it, and what his other tools are. Guy is a 4.2 assist PG on a team that can really shoot. Assist% fell from 29 to 22. It's not just shooting that he is falling behind Wall in.
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Plan A involves trading Melo. Until that is settle, they really can't do anything else, except maybe trade Rose. Everyone else may be needed for plan A. Plan B should be to trade anyone and everyone not named Kristaps or Willy, but they can't execute on that until plan A is dead.
With all that said, I don't see the knicks very active until the deadline for that reason.
Actually they can trade Rose, O'Quinn, or Jennings without moving Melo at all.
My point being that O'Quinn and Jennings may need to be a part of a Melo trade either to make salaries work or to sweeten the pot.
Really not clear. At this point he is not playable. He plays, but he's not actually playable according to the stats. How do you develop his non-shooting skills if you cant afford to play him?
Derrick Williams, who was a #2 overall and a better player, was traded for Mbah a Moute after 2 seasons. Luc was terrible. Thabeet AND Carroll AND a #1 were traded for a 32 year old Battier and Ish Smith. Thomas Robinson was traded during his rookie season with others for Aldrich and PAtterson and Toney D. You dont get to keep your lottery pick value in the NBA once everyone has pro game tape on you.
My point being that O'Quinn and Jennings may need to be a part of a Melo trade either to make salaries work or to sweeten the pot.
More likely to sweeten the pot, given what Melo makes on his own.
The problem with Mudiay is he's regressed in those aspects and hasn't progressed as a shooter to compensate at all. His age is really the only thing he has going for him right now.
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Thank you.
Well arent you special now that someone finally listened to you!
Rose on a new deal - highly unlikely
Jrue Holiday - maybe/hopefully
If not, do I dare absorb a longer term contract i.e.
Rose for Brandon Knight (and they sweeten with TJ Warren) - while I like Warren, Knight is crap
Rose for Rubio
Rose for Darren Collison
any other possibilities?
Because of the increase in the cap and some other issues (mostly the cap), there are not as many teams desperate to get out of contracts to make cap or tax space. And also, because of the rise in the cap, the really bad contracts tend to be the Summer of 2016 deals like the centers (including Noah) and Evan Turner. Take on one of those and it's 3 years of serious pain. Not sure there is much precedent for a team taking on 50 or 60 million in long term contract for "assets" (or even say 3 years x 10 million per under when the cap was ~50 million). The return would have to be really good.
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And Jennings' contracts are a lot more valuable than people realize. Every year there is a team that wants to get rid of long term contracts. Phil shouldn't play dumb. Use them for the only value they have. Melo isn't getting traded, seek alternative options.
Because of the increase in the cap and some other issues (mostly the cap), there are not as many teams desperate to get out of contracts to make cap or tax space. And also, because of the rise in the cap, the really bad contracts tend to be the Summer of 2016 deals like the centers (including Noah) and Evan Turner. Take on one of those and it's 3 years of serious pain. Not sure there is much precedent for a team taking on 50 or 60 million in long term contract for "assets" (or even say 3 years x 10 million per under when the cap was ~50 million). The return would have to be really good.
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Turner is someone I was thinking of. We trade Rose for Turner+Ezeli and Portands 2 back end 1st rounders and maybe someone like Vonleh or Connaughton
There's no precedent for taking that much, but given the cap space increasing, and the Knicks looking to purge Melo and Lee, what's the issue with filling our cap with bad deals? I really don't see the tangible difference of paying Turner/Ezeli $30M a year as opposed to Jrue Holiday $30M a year when we are going to be stuck in the lottery regardless.
Ezeli expires after next season. Portland needs to make moves to avoid being a crappy team that's over the tax.
When it's time to pay KP/Willy we'll have 1 more year of being stuck with Turner and Noah.
I think the other PGs the Knicks will have a chance to sing all have similar if not more flaws.
I don't think they re-sign him no matter what they do in the draft. I think they re-sign Jennings at a cheaper contract if that's the case. At least he gives effort on defense and can create shots for players other than himself.
I didn't realize how bad Rose was at traditional PG duties until he got here. If he's not scoring he's really got no value to a team.
You're assuming dep doesn't curse us again tonight.
Say your prayers and maybe sacrifice an animal or two in Dep's name and he may be so kind as to let the thunder win over the Knicks tonight.
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that he wants. That much is clear. So, I'll say this again. I think the Knicks will resign him (unless they get a top PG in the draft).
I don't think they re-sign him no matter what they do in the draft. I think they re-sign Jennings at a cheaper contract if that's the case. At least he gives effort on defense and can create shots for players other than himself.
I didn't realize how bad Rose was at traditional PG duties until he got here. If he's not scoring he's really got no value to a team.
Rose passing has been much better the last few games. He will always be a scoring guard first.... but lets not kid ourselves.... he is still much better than Jennings.
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OKC is home, and coming off two blowout losses. I remember looking at the schedule a couple of weeks ago and thinking they'd be 25-32 at the break - looks like 23-34 instead. Should be an interesting week of trade rumors...
You're assuming dep doesn't curse us again tonight.
Say your prayers and maybe sacrifice an animal or two in Dep's name and he may be so kind as to let the thunder win over the Knicks tonight.
I got the Thunder big tonight. Ill go OKC by 14.
I don't really care for Melo/Rose pulling the team to victory on their own. Nothing bold but I think we still only have 1 more win this month (OKC, CLE, PHI and TOR).
Sacramento is pulling themselves out of the muck of teams with similar records with their 4 game win streak. Need to hope Portland doesn't fall off too much. Dallas and NO seem to win one, lose one so hopefully slowly but surely they creep ahead.
I think it will be hard to dip below MIN, ORL, PHO, PHI, LAL and obviously BKN. I'll estimate we pick 7th.
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Lonzo Ball's father, LaVar, says his son will be a better NBA player than Steph Curry.
Today, I spoke to a general manager who was stunned that the Suns havent been talked about more leading up to the trade deadline because they are looking to make a big move.
The GM told me that the Suns would love to package their assets to acquire a star. Keep in mind, this is a team that has all of their first-round picks, incoming first-rounders from the Miami Heat (in 2018 and 2021), and a roster full of young players such as Devin Booker (20 years old), Alex Len (23), TJ Warren (23), Brandon Knight (25), Marquese Chriss (19), Dragan Bender (19) and Tyler Ulis (20) among others that could be packaged in a trade. Much like the Boston Celtics and Denver Nuggets, this is a team that has the ability to put together a very interesting package.
Today, I spoke to a general manager who was stunned that the Suns havent been talked about more leading up to the trade deadline because they are looking to make a big move.
The GM told me that the Suns would love to package their assets to acquire a star. Keep in mind, this is a team that has all of their first-round picks, incoming first-rounders from the Miami Heat (in 2018 and 2021), and a roster full of young players such as Devin Booker (20 years old), Alex Len (23), TJ Warren (23), Brandon Knight (25), Marquese Chriss (19), Dragan Bender (19) and Tyler Ulis (20) among others that could be packaged in a trade. Much like the Boston Celtics and Denver Nuggets, this is a team that has the ability to put together a very interesting package.
The question is what stars are available?
Agreed. I would think after watching Hornacek play for many years that he would hate Rose's game. Rose is the kind of guy that will see you wide open, look you in the eye and then drive to the hoop. I know he doesn't do that every time, but he does it a lot. I'm pretty sure a guy like Hornacek, who was such a great shooter, would hate that.
I feel similar about the Bucks and Parker. Middleton is easing back into the rotation. Parker wasn't a Kidd draft pick, and if he were drafting in 2014 I'm not so sure he wouldn't have selected Embiid, Gordon or Exum. Although Parker has extended his range I don't see how he fits in Kidd's switch everything scheme. Parker has a bright future if he can get healthy but I'm not so sure that future will be in Milwaukee.
Lavar Ball is kind of obnoxious but I don't have a problem with any of the kids because of it. He and his wife played college basketball and he was a TE for the Jets so I don't want to bet against him.
The curry thing is a bit absurd but coming into the league I think Ball has much higher BBIQ (3 point shot isn't shabby either). There's a lot more to like defensively with ball as opposed to curry as well. Wouldn't say he's going to be Steph level good but he's certainly much more of a well-rounded, true PG than curry coming out.
At least he's not Jahlils dad threatening to punch bloggers who talk shit about his son.
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Today, I spoke to a general manager who was stunned that the Suns havent been talked about more leading up to the trade deadline because they are looking to make a big move.
The GM told me that the Suns would love to package their assets to acquire a star. Keep in mind, this is a team that has all of their first-round picks, incoming first-rounders from the Miami Heat (in 2018 and 2021), and a roster full of young players such as Devin Booker (20 years old), Alex Len (23), TJ Warren (23), Brandon Knight (25), Marquese Chriss (19), Dragan Bender (19) and Tyler Ulis (20) among others that could be packaged in a trade. Much like the Boston Celtics and Denver Nuggets, this is a team that has the ability to put together a very interesting package.
The question is what stars are available?
I think they could put a half ass package together for butler/cousins should they get disgruntled. I don't know why they're rushing things. Bledsoe is a pretty fucking good player and I wonder if they should try the market for him.
Outside of Bledsoe, Booker, Chriss and picks I don't really think they have much. I don't think knight is half as bad as he looks right now but he has 0 trade value. I don't know what warren/bender would fetch in the open market besides back end 1st rounders or expiring vets. They'd need to part with chriss or Booker if they're targeting anyone legit, but they shouldn't be.
I think the market for him is the offseason.
And Alex Len isn't much of one either. Decent defensive center, zero offensive game to speak of.
There isn't anything to like defensively about anyone from UCLA. If there were ever such a thing as negative defense, UCLA plays it. Now, maybe you could say Ball should have the tools to be a good defender, but he is not required to defend at all in Westwood.
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With Brandon knight.
And Alex Len isn't much of one either. Decent defensive center, zero offensive game to speak of.
His shot blocking is also overrated in context with his foul rate. I don't think the Suns signed a 33 year old Chandler to a 4 year deal because he was some massive upgrade over len on offense.
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There's a lot more to like defensively with ball as opposed to curry as well.
There isn't anything to like defensively about anyone from UCLA. If there were ever such a thing as negative defense, UCLA plays it. Now, maybe you could say Ball should have the tools to be a good defender, but he is not required to defend at all in Westwood.
For NBA purposes it would be hard to imagine Ball being less than average on defense given his size, athletic ability and overall basketball awareness.