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DanMetroMan : 2/15/2017 9:05 am
-Nothing really notable in Knicksville

-Pistons reportedly gauged the market on Drummond/Jackson

-Denver shopping Mudiay

-Alex Kennedy says "very, very little" chance Melo to Cleveland happens

Around the league-

Frye 21 and 10 in place of Love

-Wiggins 41, 3 and 3 on 16-29. He really plays well vs. the Cavs aka his "ex" team. He's been ridiculous lately in general averaging 31, 4 and 3 on 56/46

-Towns 26, 8 and 4

-Cousins 40, 12, 8 assists 2 blocks

-WCS 8 and 3

- Ingram 2-7 6 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists
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RE: I can be sold on Fox or the French kid  
dep026 : 2/15/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13362180 bceagle05 said:
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simply because they are potential elite level defenders. How nice would it be to have a PG who can stay in front of his man and even force some turnovers? Offensively, it depends on your preference. Fox is more of a slasher without a three-point shot, and the French kid can run the halfcourt offense and shoot it a little better, but lacks some athleticism.


You can have the greatest defender in the world guard the ball... it won't matter as long as your scheme how to guard a pick n roll is the same with rambis.
RE: RE: I can be sold on Fox or the French kid  
Deej : 2/15/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13362196 dep026 said:
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simply because they are potential elite level defenders. How nice would it be to have a PG who can stay in front of his man and even force some turnovers? Offensively, it depends on your preference. Fox is more of a slasher without a three-point shot, and the French kid can run the halfcourt offense and shoot it a little better, but lacks some athleticism.



You can have the greatest defender in the world guard the ball... it won't matter as long as your scheme how to guard a pick n roll is the same with rambis.


Rambis cant still be here. I'll be pissed if he returns next season. But if he does, Hornacek is getting fired sometime before 7/1/2018 and the new coach is not putting up with Rambis, even if Phil is still around.
RE: RE: I can be sold on Fox or the French kid  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13362194 Deej said:
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simply because they are potential elite level defenders. How nice would it be to have a PG who can stay in front of his man and even force some turnovers? Offensively, it depends on your preference. Fox is more of a slasher without a three-point shot, and the French kid can run the halfcourt offense and shoot it a little better, but lacks some athleticism.



Along this vein, if we get a #1 or with one of our #2s, I would draft the most dogged defender under 6'9 available. Regardless of upside to do anything offensive. I want someone nasty. Someone who will inspire teammates to defend HARDER, lest they be ashamed that their teammate is so thoroughly outworking them.

This team straight up lacks physical toughness. You have some intense guys. Rose and Noah, certainly. KP and Melo intermittently. But so many guys shy away from contact. Melo will take contact offensive, but no on D. Reverse is true for Noah. KP isnt strong enough. Rose is worried about $$. Lee is totally unwilling to eat a foul and get to the line on a shitty close out. Even Willy I've see shy away. Knicks need a lot more sandpaper in their lineup. We dont need to play like a 1990s team, but we're very soft even for 2017.


If RHJ is still on the trade block I wouldn't be opposed to giving a future first (not this years) for him. He's an in-your-face type player on both ends. He can't shoot but he's not tony allen on offense. Offers play making and elite rebounding for a 2/3. Can run him as a 4 in small lineups as well.
I'm thinking beyond Phil, Hornacek, Rambis, Melo, etc.  
bceagle05 : 2/15/2017 5:29 pm : link
KP, Willy and this year's top 10 pick are what matter. Everything else is just noise.
Mudiay  
TyreeHelmet : 2/15/2017 5:49 pm : link
If you can get Mudiay on the cheap I would be all over it. Definitely worth a gamble. Point guards can take time to develop- Chauncey Billups, Lowry and plenty of others. If you could get him for KOQ I would roll the dice. I want the Knicks to be targeting young buy low players- Mudiay, Hezonja, etc. Instead I'm sure they will trade for vets for a playoff push.

I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is.
RE: Mudiay  
dep026 : 2/15/2017 5:58 pm : link
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I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is.


1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo.
2. Rose will not nor should he bought out.
3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that.
RE: RE: Mudiay  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 6:07 pm : link
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I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is.



1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo.
2. Rose will not nor should he bought out.
3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that.


I will lead the ship for tanking, but if we are replacing Melo with Kuz and Rose/Jennings with Baker, you can expect struggles from KP and Willy.

Thats why Im not against Rubio. He's super ball dominant, and will at least give those two an easier time without pressure to take bad shots.
Mike Schmitz did a breakdown of Bruce Brown (Miami)  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 6:49 pm : link
"Although he played in the Jordan Brand Classic and ended up an RSCI Top-30 recruit, Miami freshman guard Bruce Brown has always flown slightly under the radar relative to many of his peers.

Despite his shredded frame, long arms, high motor, explosive first step, tendency to throw down violent dunks and his likely intentional Russell Westbrook look and demeanor, Brown wasn't a McDonald's All-American or a member of the Nike Hoop Summit team. He was never involved in USA Basketball, nor was he considered much an elite-level freshman coming into his first year at Miami as one of the oldest players in his class.

In part, the 20-year-old Brown was overlooked but he also wasn't the most skilled player on the youth circuit. A physical, hard-playing athlete who also thrived on the gridiron as a safety and wide receiver, Brown, cousin of UConn guard Jalen Adams, had quite a bit of room to improve his skill level and feel for the game in order to be considered a top-flight prospect.

We're now 24 games into his freshman season at Miami, and Brown has made great strides in his offensive game and is arguably the Hurricanes' most impactful player when taking into consideration his stellar two-way play. He's playing on the ball as a lead facilitator for long stretches, has proven he's more than just a slasher out of pick and roll, and is even shooting 37% from three on 65 attempts (91st percentile in catch and shoot efficiency according to Synergy Sports). For reference, in 62 EYBL games from 2013 to 2015 Brown shot only 99 threes at a 27% clip and knocked down only 61% of his free throws. As was the case as a youngster, Brown, who comes from a humble background with ten siblings, is still playing with tremendous energy and physicality on the defensive end while mixing it up on the glass.

Brown has cemented himself as a NBA prospect in the loaded ACC (although how early that will materialize remains to be seen) and has developed into a downhill, attacking combo guard who can facilitate, spot-shoot, defend and rebound. Here's an in-depth look at the areas where Brown has been most valuable for Miami thus far: "

Talk about a guy who lives for defense. He's a shot blocking, high level rebounding 2 guard. Can play make and hit 3s.
Link - ( New Window )
Vitale and walton  
dep026 : 2/15/2017 7:13 pm : link
Doing a game...

Oh fuck me.
RE: Vitale and walton  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 7:17 pm : link
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Doing a game...

Oh fuck me.


Have it on silent.
RE: RE: Mudiay  
TyreeHelmet : 2/15/2017 7:24 pm : link
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I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is.



1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo.
2. Rose will not nor should he bought out.
3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that.


I realize your a fan of Rose but what's the purpose for keeping Rose on this team after the deadline? Push for the playoffs? Watch him put his head down and go to the hole to get his stats in hopes of a contract? I assume and truly hope he's not in the Knicks' long term plans Wouldn't it be better for him to sign on with a playoff team if he was bought out? I admit I'm biased because I can't stand watching the guy play but I don't see any need to keep him on the team with 27 games to play...
RE: RE: Mudiay  
PhiPsi125 : 2/15/2017 7:29 pm : link
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I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is.



1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo.
2. Rose will not nor should he bought out.
3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that.


There is a market for Melo (and it should be a big market) but the ridiculous NTC neuters the Knicks ability to trade him.

More than that, the NBA has become a joke with most teams refusing to even compete/improve because of the Cavs and the Warriors. So that limits things for the Knicks even more. Melo is still a premier scorer. Not as much so now because he's stuck on the shitty Knicks. But put him on a better team and he'd be a big threat. And while he's not a great defensive talent, even that is overblown.

And Phil devaluing publicly the main talent he's trying to trade is the most mind boggling thing ever. For that alone, Phil is a shitty team President.
RE: RE: RE: Mudiay  
dep026 : 2/15/2017 7:41 pm : link
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I can't believe how badly Phil has bungled the Melo situation. If he played it right he could have found a destination for him but it's been completely botched. Regardless I really hop Rose is bought out soon. I can't stand watching that guy play and I think he's alot more detrimental to KP's development then Melo is.



1. Or maybe there isnt a market for Melo.
2. Rose will not nor should he bought out.
3. His hinderance of KP's game is absolutely an overreaction. KP has been in a slump because of injuries, he was already improving and stated that Rose was a big reason for that.



I realize your a fan of Rose but what's the purpose for keeping Rose on this team after the deadline? Push for the playoffs? Watch him put his head down and go to the hole to get his stats in hopes of a contract? I assume and truly hope he's not in the Knicks' long term plans Wouldn't it be better for him to sign on with a playoff team if he was bought out? I admit I'm biased because I can't stand watching the guy play but I don't see any need to keep him on the team with 27 games to play...



Because he hasn't been nearly as bad as people have claomed.
Melo going to the All-Star Game.  
bceagle05 : 2/15/2017 9:40 pm : link
Bill Pidto mentioned breaking news about Melo, and I thought he was gonna announce a trade.
that block by kp was nasty on adams  
nygiants16 : 2/15/2017 9:45 pm : link
knicks hot start
Lee should be on Russ  
Deej : 2/15/2017 9:48 pm : link
and Rose on VO. WTF Horny?
I complain  
Deej : 2/15/2017 9:49 pm : link
during a 14-2 road start.
Glad to see our announcers killing the refs  
Deej : 2/15/2017 9:58 pm : link
on that phantom call.
Yeah, this guy could never help the Cavs....  
bceagle05 : 2/15/2017 9:58 pm : link
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I'm with Melo on that  
B in ALB : 2/15/2017 10:00 pm : link
"Time out for what?"

They're playing really well and shooting lights out. And Melo is red hot with16 points already. Why call a TO?
Lance Thomas is so hard to watch  
DennyInDenville : 2/15/2017 10:04 pm : link
By far Phils second worst move next to Noah
Totally forgot that  
B in ALB : 2/15/2017 10:05 pm : link
Eddie Munster coaches the Thunder.
What is going on???  
Beezer : 2/15/2017 10:05 pm : link
I can't stand this kind of first quarter!

Melo with 19???

Knicks with 39???
What the FUCK  
B in ALB : 2/15/2017 10:06 pm : link
is Lance Thomas doing in the game?
lance thonas blows  
nygiants16 : 2/15/2017 10:07 pm : link
what nba player picks up their dribble in the back court?

and btw these refs are horrible
Why the fuck are we winning...  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 10:13 pm : link
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RE: Why the fuck are we winning...  
B in ALB : 2/15/2017 10:17 pm : link
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Don't worry. They'll blow it.
i know it probably means nothing  
nygiants16 : 2/15/2017 10:19 pm : link
but jennings is out tonight, knicks said sore achilles..

speculation is he was traded, changed all of his instagram and twitter bios, took off any knicks affiliation
KP gets knocked to the floor  
B in ALB : 2/15/2017 10:24 pm : link
No foul.

Westbrook gets breathed on - foul!

Fuck the nba.
KP`  
Jon in NYC : 2/15/2017 10:26 pm : link
looks like shit right now. He needs a go to move.
I'll really laugh if he was traded  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/15/2017 10:26 pm : link
For whatever junk they could get to try to "win now".
RE: KP`  
adamg : 2/15/2017 10:28 pm : link
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looks like shit right now. He needs a go to move.


Seriously. They might as well bench for a week to get his feet underneath him. He looks like he's playing on fumes the past month.
RE: I'll really laugh if he was traded  
giantsfan44ab : 2/15/2017 10:28 pm : link
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For whatever junk they could get to try to "win now".


Well Pj tucker is playing so...good sign?
Yeah the Jennings stuff is weird.  
bceagle05 : 2/15/2017 10:30 pm : link
Supposedly a lot of scouts in the building - so far a nice showing from the "trade bait" crew.
Team looks great when Lance is in the game  
B in ALB : 2/15/2017 10:30 pm : link
And by good, I mean like watery shit.
as soon as lance thomas came in  
nygiants16 : 2/15/2017 10:31 pm : link
the knicks went down the shitter
I really have no clue  
bceagle05 : 2/15/2017 10:33 pm : link
why Lance gets so many minutes. He missed extended time due to injury and was immediately given crunch time minutes upon his return. It's baffling.
RE: Team looks great when Lance is in the game  
adamg : 2/15/2017 10:34 pm : link
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And by good, I mean like watery shit.


You're really balling out with your shit metaphors today.
Juuuust a bit outside from Willy.  
bceagle05 : 2/15/2017 10:36 pm : link
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RE: I really have no clue  
nygiants16 : 2/15/2017 10:36 pm : link
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why Lance gets so many minutes. He missed extended time due to injury and was immediately given crunch time minutes upon his return. It's baffling.


And he hasn't the longest leash I have ever seen
RE: Yeah the Jennings stuff is weird.  
nygiants16 : 2/15/2017 10:36 pm : link
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Supposedly a lot of scouts in the building - so far a nice showing from the "trade bait" crew.


He is not even on the bench
RE: RE: Team looks great when Lance is in the game  
B in ALB : 2/15/2017 10:37 pm : link
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And by good, I mean like watery shit.



You're really balling out with your shit metaphors today.


I have to take one now. But I'm waiting for right before beddy bye.
Maybe he went AWOL too.  
bceagle05 : 2/15/2017 10:38 pm : link
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Wonder  
Jon in NYC : 2/15/2017 10:38 pm : link
who would be interested in Jennings. It would have to be a competing team. I'd move him for a first in a heartbeat.
Roberson  
adamg : 2/15/2017 10:39 pm : link
motherfucking bullshit fuck
I wish lance was being traded with him  
nygiants16 : 2/15/2017 10:40 pm : link
..
I hope Kareem  
bceagle05 : 2/15/2017 10:40 pm : link
isn't watching these hook shots from KP.
Clownshow  
B in ALB : 2/15/2017 10:40 pm : link
KP with that ridiculous hook shot on the run has been hilarious to watch.

lol  
Jon in NYC : 2/15/2017 10:40 pm : link
the knicks suck. holy shit.
Wow they called a foul on the thunder  
nygiants16 : 2/15/2017 10:41 pm : link
I am shocked
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