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| The Big East and UConn have had recent discussions about the Huskies joining the conference, multiple sources told FanRag Sports. FanRag Sports reported last week that UConn had looked into joining the conference and one source confirmed on Wednesday that the Big East would take the Huskies in all sports. |
Doubt it.. They love Ollie here
lol I don't.. hence why I've been watching a lot more of Yale basketball this year
It'd be for all sports
They have 6 scholarship players suiting up and playing over 30 minutes a game. This team is decimated by injuries this year with losing Larrier, Gilbert, and Diarra.
If we struggle next year then we can worry about Ollie.
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What will they do about their FB program?
It'd be for all sports
There is no Big East football conference.
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In comment 13361634 26.2 said:
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What will they do about their FB program?
It'd be for all sports
There is no Big East football conference.
Well I'm guessing maybe the CAA?
They bring more in football than UConn.
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At least UConn would have brought in another quality basketball program. BC brings absolutely nothing to the table.
They bring more in football than UConn.
That's not saying much. BC athletics is a dumpster fire.
Well, it's kind of a mixed bag. On the one hand, they're basically down to six scholarship players because of season-ending injuries to the starting line-up, so that's a significant factor in 12-12. At the same time, Ollie's critics point to a lack of development of the upperclassmen- people like Brimah, Facey (although he's stepped up his game of late), and Purvis- and particularly the coaching staff's inability to develop the team's big men. Ollie's in-game coaching has also been spotty; he never seems to find the right player rotation until late in the season, he's fairly inept at working referees, and doesn't use timeouts very well... all of which were things that Calhoun was masterful at.
That said, to characterize Ollie's seat as even warm at this point would be an overstatement, IMO. Personally, I think he needs to surround himself with a better coaching staff, one that will compensate for some of the things he doesn't do very well.
Of course, I'd be all for them poaching VCU, but know that won't happen.
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At least UConn would have brought in another quality basketball program. BC brings absolutely nothing to the table.
They bring more in football than UConn.
2015 BC won zero conference games.
2016 they were 2 - 6.
2 - 14 the past two years in the ACC, pretty sure UConn football could be equally bad. BC hasn't been over .500 in the conference in 8 years.
BC exemplifies everything wrong with college sports. $$$$$ and greed.
they should be in a conference with Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt, even Penn State, Temple, Rutgers, create some natural rivalries, allow fan bases to travel, and keep some history.
BC followed the money and karma bit them in the ass and they've been a national college sports embarrassment ever since, in every sport except hockey which is very different. But hey, they have a TV contract.
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At least UConn would have brought in another quality basketball program. BC brings absolutely nothing to the table.
They bring more in football than UConn.
2015 BC won zero conference games.
2016 they were 2 - 6.
2 - 14 the past two years in the ACC, pretty sure UConn football could be equally bad. BC hasn't been over .500 in the conference in 8 years.
BC exemplifies everything wrong with college sports. $$$$$ and greed.
they should be in a conference with Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt, even Penn State, Temple, Rutgers, create some natural rivalries, allow fan bases to travel, and keep some history.
BC followed the money and karma bit them in the ass and they've been a national college sports embarrassment ever since, in every sport except hockey which is very different. But hey, they have a TV contract.
Syracuse is fine just where they are. No desire to play teams like Temple or Rutgers or even UConn (outside of basketball). They've excelled across the board in the ACC and have a hearty influx of money that is now sustainable by not being in a conference with football-only catholic schools. And football will get better creating even more opportunities for the university and the olympic sports.
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In comment 13361658 Greg from LI said:
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At least UConn would have brought in another quality basketball program. BC brings absolutely nothing to the table.
They bring more in football than UConn.
2015 BC won zero conference games.
2016 they were 2 - 6.
2 - 14 the past two years in the ACC, pretty sure UConn football could be equally bad. BC hasn't been over .500 in the conference in 8 years.
BC exemplifies everything wrong with college sports. $$$$$ and greed.
they should be in a conference with Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt, even Penn State, Temple, Rutgers, create some natural rivalries, allow fan bases to travel, and keep some history.
BC followed the money and karma bit them in the ass and they've been a national college sports embarrassment ever since, in every sport except hockey which is very different. But hey, they have a TV contract.
Syracuse is fine just where they are. No desire to play teams like Temple or Rutgers or even UConn (outside of basketball). They've excelled across the board in the ACC and have a hearty influx of money that is now sustainable by not being in a conference with football-only catholic schools. And football will get better creating even more opportunities for the university and the olympic sports.
Yeah, Syracuse football 5 - 19 conference record the past three years radiates excellence. I don't think they've ever finished over .500 in conference and the program is not what I'd call thriving.
My point about Syracuse playing Uconn, BC, Pitt, Rutgers, Temple, etc, was about geographic rivalries (as well as competitiveness) which is the easiest and best way IMO to generate interest and excitement and energy.
what is Syracuse's ACC rival? BC? At least in the BE they had Uconn and Georgetown in basketball (though G-town would go away).
The Big East football schools is what they should have done and kept as a conference for all sports.
Syracuse
Uconn
Pitt
BC
Rutgers
Temple
and probably
Louisville
WVU
Cinci
and one more team, ideally ND, but Penn Sate made sense too before the pedophile stuff.
lots of disappearing discussions lately
lots of disappearing discussions lately
Probably the mods.. My Yale thread got deleted yesterday too
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Sidebar, did you delete the thread about the Russian ship near Groton, or did the mods?
lots of disappearing discussions lately
Probably the mods.. My Yale thread got deleted yesterday too
I didn't see that thread. The invisible hands on this site are getting heavier in their approach. Shame.
That's why I mentioned football separately from the other sports and feel that the program is on the upswing.
But three Final 4s in basketball over the last four years, multiple national championships and Final 4s in other sports and growing interest and funds across the board is what I call "thriving." They would have never gotten where they are if they hadn't escaped to the ACC.
I don't really get the need for rivalries - the basketball team still plays UConn and Georgetown - and the traditional rivalry for football has been Boston College, who they still play. Over the past three decades the football team hasn't had a "rivalry" per se. But dating back to the Big East, they still play teams like Virginia Tech, BC, Pitt, and Notre Dame regularly.
That's why I mentioned football separately from the other sports and feel that the program is on the upswing.
But three Final 4s in basketball over the last four years, multiple national championships and Final 4s in other sports and growing interest and funds across the board is what I call "thriving." They would have never gotten where they are if they hadn't escaped to the ACC.
I don't really get the need for rivalries - the basketball team still plays UConn and Georgetown - and the traditional rivalry for football has been Boston College, who they still play. Over the past three decades the football team hasn't had a "rivalry" per se. But dating back to the Big East, they still play teams like Virginia Tech, BC, Pitt, and Notre Dame regularly.
LOL, B in Alb calling me a smarmy ass. Dude, it's hot in here, get out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat.
Why do you say they couldn't have gotten there from the old Big East?
Syracuse was at one time a football powerhouse. In the old Big East while at the same time being a basketball and probably lacrosse powerhouse.
they were one of the premier athletic universities in the country.
lots of disappearing discussions lately
I did not delete it. It was only up for a couple of minutes and it was gone.
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Sidebar, did you delete the thread about the Russian ship near Groton, or did the mods?
lots of disappearing discussions lately
I did not delete it. It was only up for a couple of minutes and it was gone.
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ass, pj.
That's why I mentioned football separately from the other sports and feel that the program is on the upswing.
But three Final 4s in basketball over the last four years, multiple national championships and Final 4s in other sports and growing interest and funds across the board is what I call "thriving." They would have never gotten where they are if they hadn't escaped to the ACC.
I don't really get the need for rivalries - the basketball team still plays UConn and Georgetown - and the traditional rivalry for football has been Boston College, who they still play. Over the past three decades the football team hasn't had a "rivalry" per se. But dating back to the Big East, they still play teams like Virginia Tech, BC, Pitt, and Notre Dame regularly.
LOL, B in Alb calling me a smarmy ass. Dude, it's hot in here, get out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat.
Why do you say they couldn't have gotten there from the old Big East?
Syracuse was at one time a football powerhouse. In the old Big East while at the same time being a basketball and probably lacrosse powerhouse.
they were one of the premier athletic universities in the country.
Pffft. Tell me something that I wasn't personally involved in. Gimme a fuckin break.
They had to leave the BE because schools like Syracuse, Pitt, VT, and Miami recognized that it was no longer feasible to foot the bill and share revenue with the catholic non-football schools. Blame Miami, VT and BC for leading the way - and St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Providence for not having football teams. It was inevitable.
And they're still an athletic powerhouse - and if you factor in all of the olympic sports, they're an even bigger power now than they were during the BE.
But money talks and one of your two biggest revenue producers isn't what it was. But the TV contract and revenue sharing is better. Absolutely no reason for a school like Syracuse to leave the ACC. None.
And not to rehash but I blame BC 100%.
Miami and VT leaving made some sense. They have natural ACC rivals in FSU and Virginia and from a travel standpoint, at least initially the farthest they went was Maryland I believe.
BC leaving made absolutely ZERO sense. Once BC left. it made sense for others (Syracuse,Pitt, etc.) to leave too.
and to my original point, it was pure greed that made them leave. and I don't think in BC's case they pour that money back into athletics, but I don't know how they spend it.
Ok - well, I think they had to leave and it was the right choice for the future of the athletics program. We're seeing that borne out now with some successes that the university has never seen in its history. Plus, we've seen significant improvements in facilities at the Manley complex and a recruiting network that is far more expansive than it ever was up until 2013.
It's simplistic to say - look at football! It's shitty right now - so their decision to leave is wrong. That's nonsense.
The irony is that BECAUSE of football, they were able to leave and gain entry into a bigger and better conference across the board for ALL sports.
Well I'm guessing maybe the CAA?
UConn would drop to FCS? I don't see that happening (although maybe it should). I have to think the AAC would allow UConn to remain in the AAC for all other sports but hoops rather than lose them entirely.
Rejoining the BE makes all the sense in the world. They're lost at sea in the AAC.
Ok - well, I think they had to leave and it was the right choice for the future of the athletics program. We're seeing that borne out now with some successes that the university has never seen in its history. Plus, we've seen significant improvements in facilities at the Manley complex and a recruiting network that is far more expansive than it ever was up until 2013.
It's simplistic to say - look at football! It's shitty right now - so their decision to leave is wrong. That's nonsense.
The irony is that BECAUSE of football, they were able to leave and gain entry into a bigger and better conference across the board for ALL sports.
You're confusing my posts. I'm saying BC should have never left that was my point. Once they did it made sense for others to leave too. BC was the keystone of the Big East for a variety of reasons.
I did say the Big East should have remained BC, Uconn, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, Temple, Louisville, WVU, Cinci, and one more school. That would be as competitive a conference across the major sports as most, but once BC left it didn't make sense, even though they held it together another what 5 years or so?
I think you give too much credit to the money's impact. and I say this admitting I don't know the impact, but I think you overestimate the impact.
In the Big East Syracuse would get between $10 - $12M a year and the latest numbers in the ACC show them getting 20 - 24M per year but is $12M a year significant to an institution the size of Syracuse?
I don't know. But I think a private university with a billion dollar plus endowment fund, can make whatever improvements they need without 10 - 12M per year from a sports contract.
They have the second highest profit margin in the ACC - only $1.4M behind Notre Dame who is #1 which is no surprise. So yeah, money is a huge deal here especially for a relatively small school like SU.
Basketball will always be OK so long as Paul Tudor Jones is alive, but he has refused to sink any money into football because of the way that side of the operation is run. In fact, he's made his donations to the basketball program contingent on Jon Oliver staying the fuck away from basketball. Baseball, who knows - John Grisham poured a bunch of money into it a while back but hasn't since to my knowledge. Everything else will be feeling the hurt.
And not to rehash but I blame BC 100%.
Miami and VT leaving made some sense. They have natural ACC rivals in FSU and Virginia and from a travel standpoint, at least initially the farthest they went was Maryland I believe.
BC leaving made absolutely ZERO sense. Once BC left. it made sense for others (Syracuse,Pitt, etc.) to leave too.
and to my original point, it was pure greed that made them leave. and I don't think in BC's case they pour that money back into athletics, but I don't know how they spend it.
The rubber will hit the road if the cable companies refuse to ante up and drop those channels or the Clemsons, Tobacco Road, FSU contingent decide they should be getting a bigger piece of the pie.
Just more push from those who think they know something and when in fact they don't
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anything, I'm saying they should never have left the Big East to begin with. The damage is irreparably done.
And not to rehash but I blame BC 100%.
Miami and VT leaving made some sense. They have natural ACC rivals in FSU and Virginia and from a travel standpoint, at least initially the farthest they went was Maryland I believe.
BC leaving made absolutely ZERO sense. Once BC left. it made sense for others (Syracuse,Pitt, etc.) to leave too.
and to my original point, it was pure greed that made them leave. and I don't think in BC's case they pour that money back into athletics, but I don't know how they spend it.
You can't blame them. Those are private colleges and as long as Swofford was willing to give them a big check because the cable companies to pay a per subscriber fee regardless of whether anyone watched, they would have been foolish to turn down the money.
The rubber will hit the road if the cable companies refuse to ante up and drop those channels or the Clemsons, Tobacco Road, FSU contingent decide they should be getting a bigger piece of the pie.
those private colleges have much larger endowment funds than public schools. and usually much more expensive tuitions. Look at Quinnipiac's hockey facility. Best one I have seen anywhere at the college level outside of BU (another private university).
Why not just fix the Big East? that wasn't an option? Make the hard choice, jettison the hoops only schools, and build into a national conference with the changes I mentioned before. As soon as things get tough, a college is supposed to simply make decisions based only on $$$? Like I said the end of the Big East is a microcosm of everything wrong with college athletics.
anyway, water under the bridge, even though I write on here about it I don't care nearly as much as I did in 2005 or whenever BC announced it, I don't care that much at all to be honest, and it was a lot of fun going to BC games and rooting against them along with most of the other fans in attendance - at any sporting event except hockey.
Uconn vs BC could have been the Northeasts version of Texas Oklahoma or Duke North Carolina or Florida Florida State, but hey at least BC is getting well paid to be doormats. And even with that who knows maybe the odd year they do well out of conference in football they maybe get invited to the motor city bowl to play in front of a crowd of hundreds. But they have a nice TV contract.
Just more push from those who think they know something and when in fact they don't
Ughhhh :(
Just more push from those who think they know something and when in fact they don't
That's fine, and you may be right, but IF UConn was considering a move, do you really think the AD would admit it to you? Your "assurance" is no more valid than anyone's speculation.
There's some signs of life there in football and basketball this past year but it's going to take a while to turn things around there given just how terrible they've been over the past few years.
There's some signs of life there in football and basketball this past year but it's going to take a while to turn things around there given just how terrible they've been over the past few years.
I don't think it's coincidental I think it's a conference they just can't compete in, in the BE BC was competitive, though the Jags firing was one of the most spiteful things I've seen an AD do.
Here is an excerpt from an article written almost a year ago and things have not improved.
Few alumni have expressed greater concern about BC athletics than members of the 1984 team that won the Cotton Bowl and helped Flutie capture the Heisman Trophy after the Hail Mary game weeks earlier — a nationally televised 47-45 victory over the University of Miami, the defending national champion.
“It doesn’t feel like there’s a real strategy in place or a real fundamental focus on creating an athletic platform at Boston College that is superlative,’’ said Scott Gieselman, a key member of the ’84 team who has been a major supporter of BC athletics. “That’s how you end up in mediocrity, which is where we are today.’’
More than a year has passed since BC won an ACC football or basketball contest, a record 27-game losing streak. Home football attendance has dropped to its lowest point in 25 years, largely because season ticket sales have plummeted by more than 60 percent since BC joined the ACC.
The basketball team is mired in a fifth straight losing season, the program’s longest slump since World War II. And turnout for home games has shrunk by more than 50 percent in the ACC era.
By contrast, BC’s men’s and women’s hockey teams, which compete in the Hockey East Association, are national powers. The women, at 39-0 this season, are two victories away from a national championship, while the men, chasing their fourth national title since 2008, are 25-6-5 after Saturday night’s 4-2 playoff loss to the University of Vermont.
But BC’s athletic director Brad Bates said there is no sugarcoating the school’s plight.
“The reality in college sports is that you have to win in football and basketball, and in both those sports we’ve just had terrible seasons,’’ Bates said. “It’s definitely not fun to go through at all, but it flat-out motivates us not to go through it again.’’....
but hey they have a solid TV contract....
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In comment 13362042 pjcas18 said:
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anything, I'm saying they should never have left the Big East to begin with. The damage is irreparably done.
And not to rehash but I blame BC 100%.
Miami and VT leaving made some sense. They have natural ACC rivals in FSU and Virginia and from a travel standpoint, at least initially the farthest they went was Maryland I believe.
BC leaving made absolutely ZERO sense. Once BC left. it made sense for others (Syracuse,Pitt, etc.) to leave too.
and to my original point, it was pure greed that made them leave. and I don't think in BC's case they pour that money back into athletics, but I don't know how they spend it.
You can't blame them. Those are private colleges and as long as Swofford was willing to give them a big check because the cable companies to pay a per subscriber fee regardless of whether anyone watched, they would have been foolish to turn down the money.
The rubber will hit the road if the cable companies refuse to ante up and drop those channels or the Clemsons, Tobacco Road, FSU contingent decide they should be getting a bigger piece of the pie.
those private colleges have much larger endowment funds than public schools. and usually much more expensive tuitions. Look at Quinnipiac's hockey facility. Best one I have seen anywhere at the college level outside of BU (another private university).
Why not just fix the Big East? that wasn't an option? Make the hard choice, jettison the hoops only schools, and build into a national conference with the changes I mentioned before. As soon as things get tough, a college is supposed to simply make decisions based only on $$$? Like I said the end of the Big East is a microcosm of everything wrong with college athletics.
anyway, water under the bridge, even though I write on here about it I don't care nearly as much as I did in 2005 or whenever BC announced it, I don't care that much at all to be honest, and it was a lot of fun going to BC games and rooting against them along with most of the other fans in attendance - at any sporting event except hockey.
Uconn vs BC could have been the Northeasts version of Texas Oklahoma or Duke North Carolina or Florida Florida State, but hey at least BC is getting well paid to be doormats. And even with that who knows maybe the odd year they do well out of conference in football they maybe get invited to the motor city bowl to play in front of a crowd of hundreds. But they have a nice TV contract.
The Quinipiacs and BU's are situated in areas where they can act as real estate developers a la Harvard and Yale, and neither is a football school so in Quin's case, they devote resources to hockey. Don't forget, the state spent $1,000,000,000 on UCONN facilities. Private schools outside of the IVY's don't have that kind of dough to throw around.