Does he mean RG or RT?
I've talked a former college coach who pushed RG much more than RT as a potential landing spot for Flowers, but that either swap would likely garner improvement in his play. He mentioned three aspects that a move to RT would help with: 1. quality of defenders is worse, 2. more natural movement for a right handed player, 3. it's not Eli's blindside. However, his thinking was that moving him inside makes the mental aspect of playing in space null and that he can just be a bruising guard. In other words, take the chance factor of his footwork and techniques still failing on the right side out of the picture and just move him inside.
A lot of people are high on the guards in FA. But, if Flowers is likely to be moved inside to guard, we have no used for three starting quality guards. If that's the case, does it make sense for us to sign two tackles in FA? Or, should we bring in one tackle and look to draft the best tackle we can get, e.g. trading up to 18 to take a guy like Bolles or Ramczyk as in the Casserly mock? Or trading up in 2 to get a guy like Taylor Moton, who may be a sound fit at RT? The alternative given the same assumptions, may be that Newhouse and Hart can hold down RT as long as we bring in an improved OLT.
Thoughts?
I think you might be right. However, he had been saying last off-season that Flowers IS our OLT. He's given up that narrative. Jordan Raanan took that as an implicit guarantee that Flowers is no longer their plan for OLT.
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the possibility/option of moving him, not that they'd actually do/try it, correct?
I think you might be right. However, he had been saying last off-season that Flowers IS our OLT. He's given up that narrative. Jordan Raanan took that as an implicit guarantee that Flowers is no longer their plan for OLT.
That is true re given up the narrative as you put it
More balance equals less effective pass rush, increased D-line exhaustion and more effective play action. All things that might help mask his lack of refinement. This all assuming that he doesn't actually develop into a better bash blocker over the next couple years.
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the possibility/option of moving him, not that they'd actually do/try it, correct?
I think you might be right. However, he had been saying last off-season that Flowers IS our OLT. He's given up that narrative. Jordan Raanan took that as an implicit guarantee that Flowers is no longer their plan for OLT.
Not sure that Raanan did that, or took it at face value - that the OLT spot wasn't necessarily his without competition.
Last year, there was nothing else you could do with Flowers. First year starting day 1 at a difficult position, on a line that struggled overall, with a high ankle sprain to work through. Absolutely no reason why you'd made that guy a point of focus by saying that you might move him.
After this season, all bets are off. He might retain the OLT spot, if they can't upgrade it and nobody beats him out, but he might also move to RT or RG. My guess would be the technique issues force him inside, but that's just a guess and not even a highly educated one at that.
a) Flowers
b) Pugh
I doubt Whitworth leaves Cincy and there are no plug & play LT draftees.
a) Flowers
b) Pugh
I doubt Whitworth leaves Cincy and there are no plug & play LT draftees.
That's a very pessimistic view of the market.
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our OLT options for 2017 are
a) Flowers
b) Pugh
I doubt Whitworth leaves Cincy and there are no plug & play LT draftees.
That's a very pessimistic view of the market.
Adam: If Whitworth doesn't get moved out of position or screwed with cash, what am I missing?
A 22 year old who has been under the microscope for 2 years regarding his ability, and has come up short of requirements, to date,needs to be put in a position to use his strength and skill: power blocking. He needs a confidence boost.
If he's an NFLer,we/they'll will find out soon enough.
But I'd still go after the FAs mentioned: Whitworth(not my fav), Rieff, Zeitler, Leary,and still draft a T or G; insurance at worst, possible youthful (future)starters at best.
on a 23 year old 9th rd pick after 2 years. Reese is quelling the outrage by saying they're considering moving him. He's our LT.
He's got technique problems, hand placement, starting on his heels, needs better balance. This will be addressed in the off season, Flowers isn't going anywhere.
on a 23 year old 9th rd pick after 2 years. Reese is quelling the outrage by saying they're considering moving him. He's our LT.
He's got technique problems, hand placement, starting on his heels, needs better balance. This will be addressed in the off season, Flowers isn't going anywhere.
Nobody said the Giants are cutting him. He was clearly the worst left tackle in football last year. Putting him back at that position to protect the blind side of our franchise QB (after watching his shitty performance two years in a row) is simply irresponsible. They ARE giving up on him as it relates to left tackle. If they don't, then I will lose a lot of respect for our front office.
That being said, if the coaches can somehow turn this lemon into an orange then great. Prove me wrong. However, they have not done so well with some of the other O-linemen either.
That being said, if the coaches can somehow turn this lemon into an orange then great. Prove me wrong. However, they have not done so well with some of the other O-linemen either.
I have to wonder if Reese made his "other spots" statement to motivate Flowers?
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That being said, if the coaches can somehow turn this lemon into an orange then great. Prove me wrong. However, they have not done so well with some of the other O-linemen either.
I have to wonder if Reese made his "other spots" statement to motivate Flowers?
Or to warn him. If he can't show something as a starter next year (at any position on the line), you'd have to cut him and move on.
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our OLT options for 2017 are
a) Flowers
b) Pugh
I doubt Whitworth leaves Cincy and there are no plug & play LT draftees.
That's a very pessimistic view of the market.
Adam: If Whitworth doesn't get moved out of position or screwed with cash, what am I missing?
Reiff or Wagner (and a draft pick) would present alternative guys they could go after who are better than the tackles we've had for the past two years.
I'd rather take on an average tackle like Reiff and see Flowers blossom as a young RG of the future rather than have Flowers continue to struggle at a tackle position and sign a good RG.
But, the market on OLT isn't just Whitworth or nothing. We can get an upgrade even if it's not a Pro Bowler.
Well, he's not on BBI. But, you can ask Sy, since he seems to be under the same impression...
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Who this college coach is because Flowers foot work is awful and thegiants running scheme calls for guards to pull and trap which flowers does not have the footwork for. So it may suit him in pass pro but doubtful in running game.
Well, he's not on BBI. But, you can ask Sy, since he seems to be under the same impression...
you dont even need to ask Sy. Anyone with a basic knowledge can see what is happening here. He does not move his feet. His hands are in the wrong position. He is dropping his head. His shoulders are getting way out in front of his feet. This is just what I see in pass protection.
I'm behind this 1000%.
Hey, we won two Super Bowls with Dave Diehl at LT. No knock on Diehl, a great guy with so-so size and ability who played with a ton of heart.
Robinson, Joeckel, Matthews, Fisher, Fluker, Warmack, Cooper, Kalil, Johnson, Lewan.
Kalil had a great R year and has been awful since, even when healthy. Joeckel is a complete failure. Matthews was not good for 2 years. Fisher was awful for most of 3 years. Fluker was moved to G. Warmack has not been good. Lewan became very good in his 3rd year. Cooper cant make a roster and was kept 3 years.
NFL teams do not cut top OL. They will move them around before they cut them
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Flowers problems need to get fixed in the film room and with technical adjustments. changing his position may not make him better he just might be less exposed. we need to add the best pieces we can get, then fit them in best spots.
I'm behind this 1000%.