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In January, gathered at the Bangor Tavern Bar and Grill in Michigan, several teachers and a secretary employed by the Bangor public school system decided to play a game. The game has been played in many bars many times before, normally in the context of celebrities or popular television characters. But the faculty chose to substitute their co-workers for Chris Pratt and Khal Drogo, discussing which of their colleagues they would kill, marry or sleep with (although they used a cruder verb than that). They also made fun of their pupils in ways that one parent would later describe as “heartbreaking.” Unknown to the staff members and teachers, a nearby patron was recording the game. A six-minute video found its way to YouTube, and spread to the computer screens of Bangor parents and beyond. An attorney for the school district, Robert Huber, told Michigan Live that the teachers did not discuss having sex with students, contrary to some reports. “The false impression that was created is that teachers were talking about whether they would marry, ‘f’ or kill students,” Huber said. “There’s no truth to that at all.” Rather, the video showed three school employees naming co-workers to kill or sleep with, Huber said. The administration had known about the video for several weeks, he said; the footage showed seven Bangor employees at the bar, including four other teachers who were present but did not participate. The administrative secretary was the only participant who mentioned students, according to Huber. On Feb. 13, during a school board meeting, outrage over the contents came to a head. Parents expressed concern that the school had known about the video and asked board members to explain what they knew. “It’s disturbing to know that these are our educators,” said Jennifer Prentice, a parent in the school district, to western Michigan’s Fox 17. “They are in charge of protecting our children, keeping our children safe, and the fact that they just blew that out of the water shows their character and shows that maybe they’re not right for this job.” “It was heartbreaking,” Amanda Reprogal, who said her 15-year-old son was mentioned in the video, also told Fox 17. “My heart sank, and I was disgusted.” The only thing that wound up killed, in the end, were jobs. A few of the school employees — as of Tuesday, two teachers — have handed in resignation papers. The school secretary also resigned Monday. One school staffer, who felt the video contained threats, filed a complaint with Bangor police. Bangor’s police chief, Tommy Simpson, reviewed the footage, according to WZZM 13. The police chief did not follow up with charges but noted the school was conducting an internal assessment. Fox 17 reported that the four teachers said to have witnessed the game were given verbal reprimands. |
Fucking yuck.
I'm going to guess that the police report was filed with the idea of a lawsuit coming.
I don't see how they couldn't be fired. If you are going to play a "game" where as teachers, you are openly joking about which students you would fuck, marry and kill, then you absolutely should get fired if it becomes public.
Yeah, that really stood out to me. I guess I wouldn't be too happy if I found out people I knew had me in the "kill" column, but feeling threatened? C'mon now, get a grip.
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They were having a conversation over beers in a bar and being secretly filmed. What about their rights?
I don't see how they couldn't be fired. If you are going to play a "game" where as teachers, you are openly joking about which students you would fuck, marry and kill, then you absolutely should get fired if it becomes public.
The subjects were other teachers, not students.
They were absolutely not using students in the game. The article is crystal clear about that. (Though they apparently did mention students in some other context).
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They were having a conversation over beers in a bar and being secretly filmed. What about their rights?
I don't see how they couldn't be fired. If you are going to play a "game" where as teachers, you are openly joking about which students you would fuck, marry and kill, then you absolutely should get fired if it becomes public.
Except it was already proven that they did NOT talk about students?
Your right to privacy in a bar?
I get that someone standing nearby could hear everything you said, but have we really reached the point where you should expect you're being recorded everywhere but your own home?
Jesus Christ, this was just a game, at a bar. People get their panties knotted up over the stupidest things.
I'm appalled that someone would record this and post it, but there a lot of assholes floating around and people have to adjust how they act in public. This sucks, but we're living in the real world and have to be aware that this is on its way to becoming the norm.
but the bigger problem is one of the mothers actually believes this.
a parent really believes teachers are in charge of protecting children and keeping them safe and someone with "bad character" may not be right for the job.
I haven't seen the tape but sounds like if recorded and gone viral, they weren't exactly keeping their voices down. Pretty stupid and they're paying the price for it.
I'm also guessing if they were exceptional teachers, they would have been reprimanded or suspended (with apologies made to those other faculty impacted). sounds like a case of mediocre faculty being let go with cause.
I'm appalled that someone would record this and post it, but there a lot of assholes floating around and people have to adjust how they act in public. This sucks, but we're living in the real world and have to be aware that this is on its way to becoming the norm.
That pretty much covers it. People do stupid things, but, in this case, a reprimand or a short suspension would be more appropriate.
I understand that you work for the taxpayers and have to be held accountable.
This, to me, is not acceptable. The person that should be facing charges is the person that secretly filmed them.
They should never be allowed to teach again. How about having some fucking standards and class? The fact that they somehow view children as sexual objects is absolutely foul. I wouldn't want them teaching my kids, that's for damned sure.
I understand that you work for the taxpayers and have to be held accountable.
This, to me, is not acceptable. The person that should be facing charges is the person that secretly filmed them.
What charge? Is there a law against recording people in public?
Where does it say the recording person derived sexual pleasure from taping this?
They should never be allowed to teach again. How about having some fucking standards and class? The fact that they somehow view children as sexual objects is absolutely foul. I wouldn't want them teaching my kids, that's for damned sure.
I thought this had been debunked above?
They should never be allowed to teach again. How about having some fucking standards and class? The fact that they somehow view children as sexual objects is absolutely foul. I wouldn't want them teaching my kids, that's for damned sure.
Try reading the article before posting. It was made clear they never talked about sex with students or any other minors
Fucking yuck.
Yes, someone probably should. Don't you think?
You should expect that if you get caught engaging in an innocuous, but in very poor taste, game there's going to be repercussions. It calls into question character, and somehow or other that will seep into performance evaluation. but outright firing for something that happened outside of the school property? no.
But you can't expect privacy in a bar. if it were so loud and so ongoing that someone takes the time to record it, you're probably well over the line in terms of civility and conduct.
There's a lot of job situations where you piss off the wrong person, your job is in jeopardy. teaching in a non union environment is one of them. it's nothing unique, except that the number of people you can piss off is a little larger than at a local gas station.
real stupid
On the other hand, we seems to have reached a point where privacy and the freedom from surveilence has vanished.
If they were talking about co-workers - they should not be fired.
Classic overreaction just to appease the public.
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having sex with minors?
They should never be allowed to teach again. How about having some fucking standards and class? The fact that they somehow view children as sexual objects is absolutely foul. I wouldn't want them teaching my kids, that's for damned sure.
Try reading the article before posting. It was made clear they never talked about sex with students or any other minors
Try eating shit pal.
I saw the video a couple days ago and it showed them saying that they'd "F so-and-so" multiple times. Was that made up or something? Is that what happened?
And if they were talking about middle school students they'd all be dead.
It's interesting to me in the sense that in the workplace, an expression of which co-worker you'd like to eff would get you a visit to HR. But the same conversation in a bar, but seen by workmates via youtube...is that the same? Clear ly context is everything.
Your reading comprehension is abhorrent. The article clearly states they weren't talking about kids
Not sure what company you work for but at mine, unless your performance has been exemplary for a decade, and even then, if you're caught doing that here they send security and a box to gather your things by EOD.
I'm anti-pussification of america too - but this is substandard behavior from educators/adults, imo.
Wrong, so I wouldn't be casting stones. The article merely says the teachers weren't talking about having sex or killing kids. The article clearly says they were making fun of various students (not game related), hence "they were talking about kids"
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an expression of which co-worker you'd like to eff would get you a visit to HR.
Not sure what company you work for but at mine, unless your performance has been exemplary for a decade, and even then, if you're caught doing that here they send security and a box to gather your things by EOD.
I haven't been caught yet anyway.
Actually, I work in a science lab. Trust me, the answer is always going to be "no one" to that question, no matter who gets asked.
I wouldn't expect you to have any standards at all, Ned.
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The article clearly states they weren't talking about kids
Wrong, so I wouldn't be casting stones. The article merely says the teachers weren't talking about having sex or killing kids. The article clearly says they were making fun of various students (not game related), hence "they were talking about kids"
I hate that bars have become this. Used to be you could go to a bar and engage in adult behaviors that children and others who were easily offended would be shielded from. Today you go into a bar and half the people in there are staring at their phones. You never know who's watching you or taking pictures of you.
As a teacher in conservative small-town Idaho I can't deal with the drama that would follow if pictures of me in a bar surfaced on social media. I bet more people are learning to avoid bars altogether. If you can't misbehave in them, what are they good for? (Just kidding - kind of)
"Play stupid gamess. Win stupid prizes."