I emphasize rumor before I get killed. Just thought it was interesting. Saw it on Facebook, no link...
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Miami Herald beat writer Adam Beasley says the Dolphins are looking into trading for a big name CB. A source close to the situation said that DRC's name has been discussed as a possible option.
"what about DRC?" behind closed doors. As in the Giants themselves have had no discussions. I imagine they'd listen to offers but it would have to be a deal too good to pass up. Trading him makes little sense.
"what about DRC?" behind closed doors. As in the Giants themselves have had no discussions. I imagine they'd listen to offers but it would have to be a deal too good to pass up. Trading him makes little sense.
You're most likely right. You'd have to think we'd have to be blown away considering his deal is pretty team friendly and he's still a big part of the team.
from an asset management standpoint, let's face the reality that the Giants are looking at DRC coming off a great year, was relatively healthy and will turn 31 in April. As a player who relies on speed, you are starting to get into a danger zone with him. Going into the season there was some concern around concussions with him. With the exception of a stiff back, everything worked out extremely well for DRC.
So for the Giants, you are looking at DRC with a trade value that it at its highest possible point considering his age/salary. In the big picture, the proper play here, is probably to trade him for different need and makes the team better. I'm sure the Giants have a valuation on what his worth is, and if a team doesn't meet or go over that barrier, you keep him.
Giants would be nuts to trade him. Probably still the best corner we have.
How could you say they'd be nuts without knowing the price tag? You wouldnt trade an aging, expensive corner with maybe 2 years left for a 2nd rd pick? I would.
That will trickle down to the rest of the defense, where the only other elite player is Harrison.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
That will trickle down to the rest of the defense, where the only other elite player is Harrison.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
How could you say that without knowing who they sign/draft to replace him?
since last year annoys the piss out of me. Why? I love the game he plays. He's had his very best football while playing for the Giants.
He SHUT DOWN Green Bay's slot receivers in the playoffs. As soon as DRC went out, the Packers ate right thru the Gmen's vaunted defense and blew the game wide open.
I'd pay him another $3M per year to keep him if he can maintain this level of play.
Big boo-boo to let him go.
and maybe not deserving of its own thread I've read Miami is majorly pissed off at the Giants, even close to filing league office complaint pissed off.
They believe, and I got this from sources I trust, that the Giants tampered with Olivier Vernon a year plus before he hit free agency, they have coveted him so long.
not related to the DRC rumor other than if the Dolphins could find any way to "stick it" to the Giants they might and maybe leaking untrue rumors is an easy way to cause strife.
That will trickle down to the rest of the defense, where the only other elite player is Harrison.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
How could you say that without knowing who they sign/draft to replace him?
Other than Ryan who is out there of comparable quality?
DRC isn't costing us much right now, and we know he comes off the books after this year. He will be motivated to play for a new contract. That's a good place to be.
since last year annoys the piss out of me. Why? I love the game he plays. He's had his very best football while playing for the Giants.
He SHUT DOWN Green Bay's slot receivers in the playoffs. As soon as DRC went out, the Packers ate right thru the Gmen's vaunted defense and blew the game wide open.
I'd pay him another $3M per year to keep him if he can maintain this level of play.
Big boo-boo to let him go.
DRC went out on either the 2nd or third possession of that game. Let's cut the shit about how the game changed when he went out.
The game changed after we scored to make it 14-13. After that the defense couldnt stop a nose bleed but that was toward the end of the third quarter.
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That will trickle down to the rest of the defense, where the only other elite player is Harrison.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
How could you say that without knowing who they sign/draft to replace him?
Other than Ryan who is out there of comparable quality?
DRC isn't costing us much right now, and we know he comes off the books after this year. He will be motivated to play for a new contract. That's a good place to be.
That will trickle down to the rest of the defense, where the only other elite player is Harrison.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
Could be just the opposite... BPA at 23 can easily be a CB
he isn't long for this team and the Giants believe that we have a legit starter in Eli Apple. There's little chance that DRC is on the Giants after this season. So if someone makes a great offer, you take it. You will probably end up downgrading the 3rd CB position, but you'd save money and add a good asset moving forward.
he isn't long for this team and the Giants believe that we have a legit starter in Eli Apple. There's little chance that DRC is on the Giants after this season. So if someone makes a great offer, you take it. You will probably end up downgrading the 3rd CB position, but you'd save money and add a good asset moving forward.
Correct, and they've got a very good job drafting CBs.
Mentally, corner is one of the easiest positions on the field. Â
Physically, corners take time to develop. If you think a rookie is coming in and giving us anything near what DRC has given us you will be extremely disappointed. And for those that will bring up Apple, he did not come close to playing at DRC's level last year. The future is bright for him but he is still developing. I am all for drafting a corner this year but not at the expense of DRC.
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he isn't long for this team and the Giants believe that we have a legit starter in Eli Apple. There's little chance that DRC is on the Giants after this season. So if someone makes a great offer, you take it. You will probably end up downgrading the 3rd CB position, but you'd save money and add a good asset moving forward.
Correct, and they've got a very good job drafting CBs.
Agreed and to be honest, they've done a great job evaluating CB's in general.
RE: Mentally, corner is one of the easiest positions on the field. Â
Physically, corners take time to develop. If you think a rookie is coming in and giving us anything near what DRC has given us you will be extremely disappointed. And for those that will bring up Apple, he did not come close to playing at DRC's level last year. The future is bright for him but he is still developing. I am all for drafting a corner this year but not at the expense of DRC.
I believe that the Giants believe that Apple will be manning the position this year and they trust that he will be ready. Jackrabbit and Apple should be our #1 and #2 position. Understanding that DRC would prob be the leagues best CB3 and he's great insurance for Apple, if you have a chance to get a 2nd round draft pick for a guy that will probably be on the team for 1 more season, you take it. I'd like them to sign a vet corner to fill that role as opposed to drafting one personally.
RE: Trading an aging DRC while his trade value is still fairly high ... Â
I don't believe in weakening a strength; certainly not to gain $5 million in cap room and get a non-premium draft pick. I'd rather go the other way and invest in a CB in addition to retaining DRC. The money is there and then some if we don't retain JPP, a player of less importance than DRC (as brutally illustrated in Green Bay) and twice the cost.
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tied up with Jenkins the Giants have and the 1st round pick investment in Apple trading DRC only makes any sense if the Giants have a 3rd CB who can replace him effectively in the slot.
Several people mentioned trading DRC would be Belichickian, but it wouldn't be if he didn't have a CB who could replace DRC.
Did any of you watch the GB game? As soon as DRC left the field, the Packers picked on Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall.
Was that a surprise?
So, no Belichick wouldn't trade DRC unless he had a quality replacement.
And look where Belichick's DB's came from.
Malcolm Butler: UDFA
Logan Ryan who is a UFA now 3rd round
Eric Rowe; trade with PHI (4th round pick)
Justin Coleman (bounced around then signed off the SEA PS)
Cyrus Jones (2nd round pick)
not a ton of investment there, more coaching and development than investment.
But just to demonstrate their versatility the Patriots show they can fill holes with UFA's and trades.
They signed Revis as well as Browner.
I don't see trading DRC as a Belichickian move, I see it as a bad move until I see who the Giants replace him with.
They get away with their model because they have great coaching and win. They get good players to take discounts. The only other team in sports that does that to my knowledge is the Spurs. Cleveland and SF had a shit load of cap space and couldn't buy free agents last year. Sometimes money isn't enough. When we start turning Donnel, Flowers, Hart, Tye, Vereen, Jerry, Newhouse, Bromley, etc. into legitimate NFL starters then we can start talking about handling business like Belichick. Only then can we start swinging our dicks around. Until then, lets live in reality.
They get away with their model because they have great coaching and win. They get good players to take discounts. The only other team in sports that does that to my knowledge is the Spurs. Cleveland and SF had a shit load of cap space and couldn't buy free agents last year. Sometimes money isn't enough. When we start turning Donnel, Flowers, Hart, Tye, Vereen, Jerry, Newhouse, Bromley, etc. into legitimate NFL starters then we can start talking about handling business like Belichick. Only then can we start swinging our dicks around. Until then, lets live in reality.
So no one can say a transaction is similar to one Belichick would make?
got it.
RE: Mentally, corner is one of the easiest positions on the field. Â
Physically, corners take time to develop. If you think a rookie is coming in and giving us anything near what DRC has given us you will be extremely disappointed. And for those that will bring up Apple, he did not come close to playing at DRC's level last year. The future is bright for him but he is still developing. I am all for drafting a corner this year but not at the expense of DRC.
I don't believe in weakening a strength; certainly not to gain $5 million in cap room and get a non-premium draft pick. I'd rather go the other way and invest in a CB in addition to retaining DRC. The money is there and then some if we don't retain JPP, a player of less importance than DRC (as brutally illustrated in Green Bay) and twice the cost.
Fair enough. I do think a 2nd rd pick is a premium asset but hard to argue with his logic.
tied up with Jenkins the Giants have and the 1st round pick investment in Apple trading DRC only makes any sense if the Giants have a 3rd CB who can replace him effectively in the slot.
Several people mentioned trading DRC would be Belichickian, but it wouldn't be if he didn't have a CB who could replace DRC.
Did any of you watch the GB game? As soon as DRC left the field, the Packers picked on Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall.
DRC left the game in the first quarter people. The Giants defense held their own until late in the third quarter. The game got out of hand as the defense wore down and 12 got hot. This idea that ONCE drc went out is bullshit.
tied up with Jenkins the Giants have and the 1st round pick investment in Apple trading DRC only makes any sense if the Giants have a 3rd CB who can replace him effectively in the slot.
Several people mentioned trading DRC would be Belichickian, but it wouldn't be if he didn't have a CB who could replace DRC.
Did any of you watch the GB game? As soon as DRC left the field, the Packers picked on Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall.
DRC left the game in the first quarter people. The Giants defense held their own until late in the third quarter. The game got out of hand as the defense wore down and 12 got hot. This idea that ONCE drc went out is bullshit.
Fair enough, maybe not once he left the game, because the pass rush was still effective in the first half, but make no mistake about it, zero debate, Rodgers was targeting Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall. Apple gave up some plays too, he's not immune from blame, but Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall were easily exploited.
Look at the Saints game in 2015 too, DRC comes out for one play, what happens on that play, TD to Cooks with Wade covering.
It's easy for opposing QB's to target a specific CB and when DRC was out the targets went at his replacement.
If it makes you feel better I'll add that the pass rush helped keep Rodgers from exploiting it until the 3rd quarter.
A draft pick. Hopefully this draft is stacked with CB's would love to pick one up. Hopefully all holes (LT, G, TE, DE, DT) are filled before the draft.
I want WR, RB, CB holes filled by draft picks.
Also TE and DE if the right player is there.
It hurt the Giants to lose DRC against the Pack ... Â
They get away with their model because they have great coaching and win. They get good players to take discounts. The only other team in sports that does that to my knowledge is the Spurs. Cleveland and SF had a shit load of cap space and couldn't buy free agents last year. Sometimes money isn't enough. When we start turning Donnel, Flowers, Hart, Tye, Vereen, Jerry, Newhouse, Bromley, etc. into legitimate NFL starters then we can start talking about handling business like Belichick. Only then can we start swinging our dicks around. Until then, lets live in reality.
So no one can say a transaction is similar to one Belichick would make?
got it.
Not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that Bekichick shouldn't be the guy we compare every possible decision to. All I keep reading on here are things like Belichick would let JPP go. This move would be a move that Belichick would make. Belichick is not perfect with his moves. He isn't perfect with his trades, acquisitions, draft picks, etc. I think everybody and their mother would like to get discounts on players in FA but that almost never happens in sports.
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But the D ran out of gas because the Giants O didn't give them much time to recharge. DRC presence would not have changed that or the game outcome.
Impossible to say.
Maybe with DRC on the field the Packers don't connect on the Hail Mary.
People also conveniently forget it was a 14 - 13 game with 5+ minutes left in the 3rd.
The Giants D never stopped GB from scoring again the whole game.
Yes, the offense from that point was all 3 and outs or turnovers, but the defense couldn't stop them and it was all through the air even 3 3rd downs on what really turned out to be the game clinching drive, including a 3rd and 9 and a 3rd and 10 on that drive.
plenty of blame to go around and no one thing probably changes it, but losing DRC hurt the Giants IMO more than any one thing.
They get away with their model because they have great coaching and win. They get good players to take discounts. The only other team in sports that does that to my knowledge is the Spurs. Cleveland and SF had a shit load of cap space and couldn't buy free agents last year. Sometimes money isn't enough. When we start turning Donnel, Flowers, Hart, Tye, Vereen, Jerry, Newhouse, Bromley, etc. into legitimate NFL starters then we can start talking about handling business like Belichick. Only then can we start swinging our dicks around. Until then, lets live in reality.
So no one can say a transaction is similar to one Belichick would make?
got it.
Not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that Bekichick shouldn't be the guy we compare every possible decision to. All I keep reading on here are things like Belichick would let JPP go. This move would be a move that Belichick would make. Belichick is not perfect with his moves. He isn't perfect with his trades, acquisitions, draft picks, etc. I think everybody and their mother would like to get discounts on players in FA but that almost never happens in sports.
he really only gets a discount on Brady IMO and I think that's the next Patriots scandal, TB12, not sure, but I don't think anyone else gives him a significant discount. He lost Welker because of $$.
McCourty reportedly took less to remain in NE, but Mara refuted that, said the offer was similar and McCourty said himself after receiving the Giants and Eagles offers, he went back to NE and said "here is what I need to stay" and the Patriots agreed.
he isn't long for this team and the Giants believe that we have a legit starter in Eli Apple. There's little chance that DRC is on the Giants after this season. So if someone makes a great offer, you take it. You will probably end up downgrading the 3rd CB position, but you'd save money and add a good asset moving forward.
Excellent analysis. But I'd still probably keep him because it's a passing league, and a third corner of his quality is so valuable. We also have nobody to replace him. A rookie won't meet his performance in the first year in all likelihood, and the team is build to win now.
thanks, good read, there are very few examples in here of players taking less to stay in NE.
They say Edelman, but Edelman was extended before the 2014 season. he had one good season under his belt and no Super Bowls, so it rings a little hollow when your examples are stretches.
Chris Long and Lagarette Blount are their examples besides Brady, who I believe has extenuating circumstances and players like Long and Blount are coaching creations, not discounts.
You saw this in the SB. Blount fumbled, he barely saw the field and out of no where James White becomes a star.
I agree with you people shouldn't compare their teams to Belichick, but not because of discounts players take to go there, but because no one coaches up players or prepares like they do in New England.
He is one of the few corners around who has retained his speed deep into his career. He remains the fastest guy on the team. In that sense he reminds me of HOFer Mike Haynes, who was probably as fast the day he retired as he was when left Arizona St for the Patriots. Cut the shit. His disguised coverages and ball sense saved about 4 games last season. Plus he's a leader to the younger guys. He will help Apple, who is talented but needs a ton of work. Retain key talent. Sign free agents . Fuck trades unless moving up in the draft for a guy that they rate all by his lonesome .
When I say discounts I mean either less than they could get somewhere else or bargain type players that they get the most out of. So, I wasn't as clear as I meant to be. Basically, what I am trying to say is they don't overpay for anybody. That would be more accurate. We paid top dollar for Vernon. We paid big chunks of change to Harrison amd Jenkins. NE would never do that but our defense can be even better next year if we make the right moves. If we followed NE's model our defense would be bone dry. The Giants problem, imo, is that they HOPE players will work out without necessarily having a backup plan. Their plans at LB and TE are basically just get as many bodies in as possible and someone will rise to the top. Fine, but there needs to be some talent there. I liked the collection of LBs this year. TEs? Not so much. Or they tale the approach they did with Flowers and just gave him the job. Where was the competition the last 2 years? Mistakes like that have hurt this team way more than paying guys in FA. So, I hope they realize this and correct it.
When I say discounts I mean either less than they could get somewhere else or bargain type players that they get the most out of. So, I wasn't as clear as I meant to be. Basically, what I am trying to say is they don't overpay for anybody. That would be more accurate. We paid top dollar for Vernon. We paid big chunks of change to Harrison amd Jenkins. NE would never do that but our defense can be even better next year if we make the right moves. If we followed NE's model our defense would be bone dry. The Giants problem, imo, is that they HOPE players will work out without necessarily having a backup plan. Their plans at LB and TE are basically just get as many bodies in as possible and someone will rise to the top. Fine, but there needs to be some talent there. I liked the collection of LBs this year. TEs? Not so much. Or they tale the approach they did with Flowers and just gave him the job. Where was the competition the last 2 years? Mistakes like that have hurt this team way more than paying guys in FA. So, I hope they realize this and correct it.
They don't overpay I agree 100% with, it explains (partly) why there is no Chandler Jones in NE, no Jamie Collins NE.
Guys they knew were going to get a ton of money and they could replace.
They can get away with it though because they can coach up the next guy or find cast-offs like Chris Long and Jabal Sheard and maximize their production. Belichick turned UDFA Malcolm Butler into Darelle Revis light.
So, IMO, because they can coach up the players they need to they can get away with not overpaying anyone.
I think their coaching/system prowess allows them to dictate the roster and personnel decisions.
Not many teams can get away with that.
Can't wait to see their Donta Hightower offer. I bet they franchise tag him.
you saw how vulnerable we were vs the Packers when he left the game. It changed everything.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
you saw how vulnerable we were vs the Packers when he left the game. It changed everything.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
Lol this comment shows you didnt read the thread. Thats simply not true
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DRC was one of the top CBs last year, Albert was ranked 65 out of 78 tackles. His 2017 salary is $8.875M ($9.575M in 2018). I don't think his play in 2016 justifies that much pay/cap space. IMO he would have to take a pay cut, and the Giants would need to receive additional compensation if DRC is in the deal.
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you saw how vulnerable we were vs the Packers when he left the game. It changed everything.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
Lol this comment shows you didnt read the thread. Thats simply not true
NO, I did not read through the entire thread. I dont have time for that shit. I just responded to the initial thread post which said there was a rumor that DRC would be traded.
and had one of his best seasons last year. He is turning 31 in April but still has some wheels on him. He is cost controlled for the next 2 seasons. I would not trade him for anything less then a 2nd round pick
you saw how vulnerable we were vs the Packers when he left the game. It changed everything.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
that make me say no, and they've already been mentioned by others.
But if I am making a trade, in a rather to very meh draft, especially for our #1 need of T, it'll be for a pick a lot closer to 33 than at 50 ish, not far from us,and not for DRC.
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you saw how vulnerable we were vs the Packers when he left the game. It changed everything.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
We did cut Cruz and Jennings so that's a start.
Matt... how exactly does cutting a player improve the play on the field?
The reality is that DRC is also about to turn 31, there will be a decline in the not too distant future. Should there be a good value trade offer for DRC, it should at least be considered.
DRC currently has a cap value of $8.5m. If we were to trade him, we would have $4m in dead money and also get $4.5 in additional cap room to address other needs. From a playing time point of view.
As far as replacing DRC does, we have Jenkins and Apple (who is likely to keep getting better). We would need a third CB, but there are solid options in free agency plus there will likely be very good talent available in the draft who we could develop.
The real question is what would we be offered in return? Some combination of draft picks would be a viable option
Some have mentioned a possible trade for Jarvis Landry. Landry is in the final year of his rookie deal. He is going to need to be paid next year. Depending how he fits into new coach Adam Gase’s long term plans, Landry could potentially be available.
We are also going to need a wide receiver to replace Cruz and upgrade our receiving group. Landry is more of a short-mid range threat with dangerous YAC ability. I expect a case could be made that this could be an option for McAdoo’s west coast offence, particularly if it allowed Beckham to be more of a vertical threat.
After a trade, the last year of Landry’s rookie contract would have a cap impact of $893,852 with no guaranteed money. Which would mean we would also gain a little over $3.5m in cap room.
I am not suggesting that we should or should not trade DRC. On the surface it seems like it could be a viable option.
But DRC played less snaps. Jenkins was our best CB. Apple could easily be almost as good spooner than later. Drop deep draft at CB.
Draft one early w an extra pick hat they get for him. Keeps the cap low for harder to find positions that they have to upgrade via FA long term.
I think If you have to manage a guys snap to keep him healthy it's. It a dumb idea to read him if you get value. Giants need to re up JPP. I trust them to find another CB a lot more than to find another DE
If he was in a good offense, he'd be talked about as one of the best.
I don't think he's a secret. He's great already. He has the exact same number of receptions as Beckham in his career, but he's a slot receiver, so his yards are a lot less.
If he was in a good offense, he'd be talked about as one of the best.
Plus he's OBJ's best friend. That would be an amazing locker room. They constantly compete. Odell ups his game when Landry is involved.
I wouldn't mind either a DRC for Landry or a DRC for Joe Thomas deal. But, those seem highly unlikely to happen. Miami would have to be crazy to trade Landry. He's probably their best player, except for - maybe - Suh.
You would think that nearly everyone's first goal would be making it to the Super Bowl the next two seasons, while Eli still here and we suddenly have a Championship caliber defense. Five on 1st or 2nd All Pro plus all rookie team Apple and JPP.
But many think that managing the cap for future years so the Giants don't find themselves as bottom fielders again is all important. I guess that's a valid way to approach the game. But trading DRC for draft choices? Some of the younger here may believe that you're going to use the picks to get two players as good as DRC, when it's more likely that you'll get one better than average guy who will become a starter. Trade DRC, JPP walks for an extra two million, and say goodbye to our elite new defense before it even got started.
I think DRC is good value for NYG and personally think a trade is unlikely unless we are offered the proverbial "deal we can't refuse".
I don't believe a Jarvis Landry trade is likely at all. I expect the Dolphins will extend him soon.
In the spirit of hypothetical discussions in a slow news period (and that is all any of this really is), let's assume NYG might be willing to consider a deal of some kind.
Big Blue Unbiased suggests 4 alternate trade situations for DRC, what do you think?
but if I did - let's say it was an offer I couldn't refuse, I wouldn't trade him for Ebron when you might be able to get Jared Cook or Jack Doyle or Ryan Griffin as a UFA
Is due over 8 mill and is not even a good LT . He's now probably best suited as a G. Know one in his right mind would trade for a contract like that. My guess is he will be cut very soon.
Way better than what we have. Would probably be our best Olineman, but there is no point in trading an All-Pro caliber CB for a 33 year old player whose team is going to cut him.
1. Players are almost never traded for other players in the NFL so stop with the Landry or Tunsil crap. The trade would be for picks.
2. It would probably be for a 3rd rounder at best. The Dolphins aren't dumb and know he's 31 with 1 more good season in him. I'd even be surprised if they got a 3rd.
In reality, the offer is probably more like a conditional 6th with the Dolphins just seeing if the Giants are thinking about cutting him. Based on last year Giants are going to keep him so they'll say no and that will be that.
You would think that nearly everyone's first goal would be making it to the Super Bowl the next two seasons, while Eli still here and we suddenly have a Championship caliber defense. Five on 1st or 2nd All Pro plus all rookie team Apple and JPP.
But many think that managing the cap for future years so the Giants don't find themselves as bottom fielders again is all important. I guess that's a valid way to approach the game. But trading DRC for draft choices? Some of the younger here may believe that you're going to use the picks to get two players as good as DRC, when it's more likely that you'll get one better than average guy who will become a starter. Trade DRC, JPP walks for an extra two million, and say goodbye to our elite new defense before it even got started.
Maybe w that extra 5 million u can Re do JPP and Hankins? No one wants the guy gone. People forget the cap hell the team was in. DRC had to has his snapped managed because he can't play full time.
It's no dumb. It's. It short sighted. Is just a different view point. I don't get the way people act like trading him is insane.
Bill Belichick the best NFL coach traded Collins and Chandler. He's trade DRC in a second I'd be thought it was good. Who's smarter the people losing their shit over the mere suggestion or the best coach in the lst 25 years?
Is due over 8 mill and is not even a good LT . He's now probably best suited as a G. Know one in his right mind would trade for a contract like that. My guess is he will be cut very soon.
The money he is due under his current contract is not guaranteed. As usual, the concept would be to get him to agree to a new deal with the trading partner that gives him some guaranteed money, but not as much as the nominal amount.
And Coughlin may well be interested if reports are accurate. jags - ( New Window )
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You would think that nearly everyone's first goal would be making it to the Super Bowl the next two seasons, while Eli still here and we suddenly have a Championship caliber defense. Five on 1st or 2nd All Pro plus all rookie team Apple and JPP.
But many think that managing the cap for future years so the Giants don't find themselves as bottom fielders again is all important. I guess that's a valid way to approach the game. But trading DRC for draft choices? Some of the younger here may believe that you're going to use the picks to get two players as good as DRC, when it's more likely that you'll get one better than average guy who will become a starter. Trade DRC, JPP walks for an extra two million, and say goodbye to our elite new defense before it even got started.
Maybe w that extra 5 million u can Re do JPP and Hankins? No one wants the guy gone. People forget the cap hell the team was in. DRC had to has his snapped managed because he can't play full time.
It's no dumb. It's. It short sighted. Is just a different view point. I don't get the way people act like trading him is insane.
Bill Belichick the best NFL coach traded Collins and Chandler. He's trade DRC in a second I'd be thought it was good. Who's smarter the people losing their shit over the mere suggestion or the best coach in the lst 25 years?
That's a terrible example when the guy you reference is capable of turning 3rd rounders and UDFA's into solid starting corners. And it's not as if there's more than one guy who's been doing it, it's basically Belichick and only Belichick. If we had a guy who could coach like that, we'd be making those personnel moves as well.
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Just because the Dolphins want to trade for DRC, doesn't mean the Giants want to trade DRC to the Dolphins.
Love Landry, but he's primarily a slot guy.
DRC for Tunsil!
You're most likely right. You'd have to think we'd have to be blown away considering his deal is pretty team friendly and he's still a big part of the team.
Facts can be so misleading, but rumors, true or false, are often revealing.
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So for the Giants, you are looking at DRC with a trade value that it at its highest possible point considering his age/salary. In the big picture, the proper play here, is probably to trade him for different need and makes the team better. I'm sure the Giants have a valuation on what his worth is, and if a team doesn't meet or go over that barrier, you keep him.
How could you say they'd be nuts without knowing the price tag? You wouldnt trade an aging, expensive corner with maybe 2 years left for a 2nd rd pick? I would.
Ok. But we would free up 5 million right now as well.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
How could you say that without knowing who they sign/draft to replace him?
He SHUT DOWN Green Bay's slot receivers in the playoffs. As soon as DRC went out, the Packers ate right thru the Gmen's vaunted defense and blew the game wide open.
I'd pay him another $3M per year to keep him if he can maintain this level of play.
Big boo-boo to let him go.
They believe, and I got this from sources I trust, that the Giants tampered with Olivier Vernon a year plus before he hit free agency, they have coveted him so long.
not related to the DRC rumor other than if the Dolphins could find any way to "stick it" to the Giants they might and maybe leaking untrue rumors is an easy way to cause strife.
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That will trickle down to the rest of the defense, where the only other elite player is Harrison.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
How could you say that without knowing who they sign/draft to replace him?
Other than Ryan who is out there of comparable quality?
DRC isn't costing us much right now, and we know he comes off the books after this year. He will be motivated to play for a new contract. That's a good place to be.
He SHUT DOWN Green Bay's slot receivers in the playoffs. As soon as DRC went out, the Packers ate right thru the Gmen's vaunted defense and blew the game wide open.
I'd pay him another $3M per year to keep him if he can maintain this level of play.
Big boo-boo to let him go.
DRC went out on either the 2nd or third possession of that game. Let's cut the shit about how the game changed when he went out.
The game changed after we scored to make it 14-13. After that the defense couldnt stop a nose bleed but that was toward the end of the third quarter.
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That will trickle down to the rest of the defense, where the only other elite player is Harrison.
The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
How could you say that without knowing who they sign/draft to replace him?
Other than Ryan who is out there of comparable quality?
DRC isn't costing us much right now, and we know he comes off the books after this year. He will be motivated to play for a new contract. That's a good place to be.
No he doesnt. He has two years left on his deal.
That plus the fact that he's a very good player would mean the compensation would have to be high.
That would have pissed me off. Glad it didnt happen.
That would be horrible for us.
no mention of DRC but maybe he postulated DRC through other media channels ...
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The secondary covered for a lot of ills last season. I'd rather see reinvestment in that area. Sign Logan Ryan and we go into 2017 with 4 strong CBs, and we go into 2018 with 3 after DRC leaves.
Could be just the opposite... BPA at 23 can easily be a CB
Only if they find a suitable replacement. That is ultimately what makes Belichickesque moves so Belichickesque.
Why would we move him? He's playing well NOW, and is an integral part of the best unit on the team.
I like DRC, so very hard to have any reaction to this without knowing the return.
It opens up 5 million and it turns one of our older players into a younger cost controlled player.
That being said I'm a big DRC fan but from an asset management view would you be happy if we traded a 2nd rd pick for DRC? I wouldnt.
It opens up 5 million and it turns one of our older players into a younger cost controlled player.
That being said I'm a big DRC fan but from an asset management view would you be happy if we traded a 2nd rd pick for DRC? I wouldnt.
And flip that 2nd rd. pick for Joe Thomas.
Correct, and they've got a very good job drafting CBs.
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he isn't long for this team and the Giants believe that we have a legit starter in Eli Apple. There's little chance that DRC is on the Giants after this season. So if someone makes a great offer, you take it. You will probably end up downgrading the 3rd CB position, but you'd save money and add a good asset moving forward.
Correct, and they've got a very good job drafting CBs.
Agreed and to be honest, they've done a great job evaluating CB's in general.
I believe that the Giants believe that Apple will be manning the position this year and they trust that he will be ready. Jackrabbit and Apple should be our #1 and #2 position. Understanding that DRC would prob be the leagues best CB3 and he's great insurance for Apple, if you have a chance to get a 2nd round draft pick for a guy that will probably be on the team for 1 more season, you take it. I'd like them to sign a vet corner to fill that role as opposed to drafting one personally.
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Would be a very Belichickesque like move.
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Only if DRC were demanding a raise, which to my knowledge he isn't.
Several people mentioned trading DRC would be Belichickian, but it wouldn't be if he didn't have a CB who could replace DRC.
Did any of you watch the GB game? As soon as DRC left the field, the Packers picked on Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall.
Was that a surprise?
So, no Belichick wouldn't trade DRC unless he had a quality replacement.
And look where Belichick's DB's came from.
Malcolm Butler: UDFA
Logan Ryan who is a UFA now 3rd round
Eric Rowe; trade with PHI (4th round pick)
Justin Coleman (bounced around then signed off the SEA PS)
Cyrus Jones (2nd round pick)
not a ton of investment there, more coaching and development than investment.
But just to demonstrate their versatility the Patriots show they can fill holes with UFA's and trades.
They signed Revis as well as Browner.
I don't see trading DRC as a Belichickian move, I see it as a bad move until I see who the Giants replace him with.
Is Wade the 4th CB? If so, it's a lot less important than who replaces DRC, the 3rd CB.
So no one can say a transaction is similar to one Belichick would make?
got it.
Fair enough. I do think a 2nd rd pick is a premium asset but hard to argue with his logic.
Several people mentioned trading DRC would be Belichickian, but it wouldn't be if he didn't have a CB who could replace DRC.
Did any of you watch the GB game? As soon as DRC left the field, the Packers picked on Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall.
DRC left the game in the first quarter people. The Giants defense held their own until late in the third quarter. The game got out of hand as the defense wore down and 12 got hot. This idea that ONCE drc went out is bullshit.
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tied up with Jenkins the Giants have and the 1st round pick investment in Apple trading DRC only makes any sense if the Giants have a 3rd CB who can replace him effectively in the slot.
Several people mentioned trading DRC would be Belichickian, but it wouldn't be if he didn't have a CB who could replace DRC.
Did any of you watch the GB game? As soon as DRC left the field, the Packers picked on Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall.
DRC left the game in the first quarter people. The Giants defense held their own until late in the third quarter. The game got out of hand as the defense wore down and 12 got hot. This idea that ONCE drc went out is bullshit.
Fair enough, maybe not once he left the game, because the pass rush was still effective in the first half, but make no mistake about it, zero debate, Rodgers was targeting Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall. Apple gave up some plays too, he's not immune from blame, but Wade, Sensabaugh, and Hall were easily exploited.
Look at the Saints game in 2015 too, DRC comes out for one play, what happens on that play, TD to Cooks with Wade covering.
It's easy for opposing QB's to target a specific CB and when DRC was out the targets went at his replacement.
If it makes you feel better I'll add that the pass rush helped keep Rodgers from exploiting it until the 3rd quarter.
A draft pick. Hopefully this draft is stacked with CB's would love to pick one up. Hopefully all holes (LT, G, TE, DE, DT) are filled before the draft.
I want WR, RB, CB holes filled by draft picks.
Also TE and DE if the right player is there.
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They get away with their model because they have great coaching and win. They get good players to take discounts. The only other team in sports that does that to my knowledge is the Spurs. Cleveland and SF had a shit load of cap space and couldn't buy free agents last year. Sometimes money isn't enough. When we start turning Donnel, Flowers, Hart, Tye, Vereen, Jerry, Newhouse, Bromley, etc. into legitimate NFL starters then we can start talking about handling business like Belichick. Only then can we start swinging our dicks around. Until then, lets live in reality.
So no one can say a transaction is similar to one Belichick would make?
got it.
Not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that Bekichick shouldn't be the guy we compare every possible decision to. All I keep reading on here are things like Belichick would let JPP go. This move would be a move that Belichick would make. Belichick is not perfect with his moves. He isn't perfect with his trades, acquisitions, draft picks, etc. I think everybody and their mother would like to get discounts on players in FA but that almost never happens in sports.
Impossible to say.
Maybe with DRC on the field the Packers don't connect on the Hail Mary.
People also conveniently forget it was a 14 - 13 game with 5+ minutes left in the 3rd.
The Giants D never stopped GB from scoring again the whole game.
Yes, the offense from that point was all 3 and outs or turnovers, but the defense couldn't stop them and it was all through the air even 3 3rd downs on what really turned out to be the game clinching drive, including a 3rd and 9 and a 3rd and 10 on that drive.
plenty of blame to go around and no one thing probably changes it, but losing DRC hurt the Giants IMO more than any one thing.
Per Salguero, “there is sudden and significant interest from at least one and perhaps other teams in acquiring Albert.”
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Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, Albert has been told he’ll be cut, but as of the end of the day on Thursday he remains on the roster.
Per Salguero, “there is sudden and significant interest from at least one and perhaps other teams in acquiring Albert.”
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Interesting.
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They get away with their model because they have great coaching and win. They get good players to take discounts. The only other team in sports that does that to my knowledge is the Spurs. Cleveland and SF had a shit load of cap space and couldn't buy free agents last year. Sometimes money isn't enough. When we start turning Donnel, Flowers, Hart, Tye, Vereen, Jerry, Newhouse, Bromley, etc. into legitimate NFL starters then we can start talking about handling business like Belichick. Only then can we start swinging our dicks around. Until then, lets live in reality.
So no one can say a transaction is similar to one Belichick would make?
got it.
Not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that Bekichick shouldn't be the guy we compare every possible decision to. All I keep reading on here are things like Belichick would let JPP go. This move would be a move that Belichick would make. Belichick is not perfect with his moves. He isn't perfect with his trades, acquisitions, draft picks, etc. I think everybody and their mother would like to get discounts on players in FA but that almost never happens in sports.
he really only gets a discount on Brady IMO and I think that's the next Patriots scandal, TB12, not sure, but I don't think anyone else gives him a significant discount. He lost Welker because of $$.
McCourty reportedly took less to remain in NE, but Mara refuted that, said the offer was similar and McCourty said himself after receiving the Giants and Eagles offers, he went back to NE and said "here is what I need to stay" and the Patriots agreed.
I don't think they get a discount on anyone else.
It guarantees you the player. If he's a FA, you're competing against other teams.
Excellent analysis. But I'd still probably keep him because it's a passing league, and a third corner of his quality is so valuable. We also have nobody to replace him. A rookie won't meet his performance in the first year in all likelihood, and the team is build to win now.
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Who else do you think they get a discount on?
thanks, good read, there are very few examples in here of players taking less to stay in NE.
They say Edelman, but Edelman was extended before the 2014 season. he had one good season under his belt and no Super Bowls, so it rings a little hollow when your examples are stretches.
Chris Long and Lagarette Blount are their examples besides Brady, who I believe has extenuating circumstances and players like Long and Blount are coaching creations, not discounts.
You saw this in the SB. Blount fumbled, he barely saw the field and out of no where James White becomes a star.
I agree with you people shouldn't compare their teams to Belichick, but not because of discounts players take to go there, but because no one coaches up players or prepares like they do in New England.
They don't overpay I agree 100% with, it explains (partly) why there is no Chandler Jones in NE, no Jamie Collins NE.
Guys they knew were going to get a ton of money and they could replace.
They can get away with it though because they can coach up the next guy or find cast-offs like Chris Long and Jabal Sheard and maximize their production. Belichick turned UDFA Malcolm Butler into Darelle Revis light.
So, IMO, because they can coach up the players they need to they can get away with not overpaying anyone.
I think their coaching/system prowess allows them to dictate the roster and personnel decisions.
Not many teams can get away with that.
Can't wait to see their Donta Hightower offer. I bet they franchise tag him.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
So DRC will command more than Joe Thomas?
Heard it here first, folks.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
Lol this comment shows you didnt read the thread. Thats simply not true
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Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, Albert has been told he’ll be cut, but as of the end of the day on Thursday he remains on the roster.
Per Salguero, “there is sudden and significant interest from at least one and perhaps other teams in acquiring Albert.”
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you saw how vulnerable we were vs the Packers when he left the game. It changed everything.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
Lol this comment shows you didnt read the thread. Thats simply not true
NO, I did not read through the entire thread. I dont have time for that shit. I just responded to the initial thread post which said there was a rumor that DRC would be traded.
It would take a pick and a player to be palatable because DRC would have to be replaced -- most likely with a high draft pick.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
We did cut Cruz and Jennings so that's a start.
It opens up 5 million and it turns one of our older players into a younger cost controlled player.
That being said I'm a big DRC fan but from an asset management view would you be happy if we traded a 2nd rd pick for DRC? I wouldnt.
What are you talking about? You want to trade DRC for a second rounder?? What?? Stop.
No way he makes that deal.
But if I am making a trade, in a rather to very meh draft, especially for our #1 need of T, it'll be for a pick a lot closer to 33 than at 50 ish, not far from us,and not for DRC.
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you saw how vulnerable we were vs the Packers when he left the game. It changed everything.
If you want to mess with the defense, then be prepared to miss the playoffs next year. Our offense is at the bottom of the league and so far we have done nothing to improve it. The defense was the only reason why we had success this past season.
We did cut Cruz and Jennings so that's a start.
Matt... how exactly does cutting a player improve the play on the field?
DRC currently has a cap value of $8.5m. If we were to trade him, we would have $4m in dead money and also get $4.5 in additional cap room to address other needs. From a playing time point of view.
As far as replacing DRC does, we have Jenkins and Apple (who is likely to keep getting better). We would need a third CB, but there are solid options in free agency plus there will likely be very good talent available in the draft who we could develop.
The real question is what would we be offered in return? Some combination of draft picks would be a viable option
Some have mentioned a possible trade for Jarvis Landry. Landry is in the final year of his rookie deal. He is going to need to be paid next year. Depending how he fits into new coach Adam Gase’s long term plans, Landry could potentially be available.
We are also going to need a wide receiver to replace Cruz and upgrade our receiving group. Landry is more of a short-mid range threat with dangerous YAC ability. I expect a case could be made that this could be an option for McAdoo’s west coast offence, particularly if it allowed Beckham to be more of a vertical threat.
After a trade, the last year of Landry’s rookie contract would have a cap impact of $893,852 with no guaranteed money. Which would mean we would also gain a little over $3.5m in cap room.
I am not suggesting that we should or should not trade DRC. On the surface it seems like it could be a viable option.
Draft one early w an extra pick hat they get for him. Keeps the cap low for harder to find positions that they have to upgrade via FA long term.
I think If you have to manage a guys snap to keep him healthy it's. It a dumb idea to read him if you get value. Giants need to re up JPP. I trust them to find another CB a lot more than to find another DE
2 years of DRC or 3-4 years of Joe Thomas?
Didn't Landry catch more balls than anyone else in Miami last year?
I don't think he's a secret. He's great already. He has the exact same number of receptions as Beckham in his career, but he's a slot receiver, so his yards are a lot less.
he returns punts too (and kicks occasionally).
He'll get paid when he's a FA
Plus he's OBJ's best friend. That would be an amazing locker room. They constantly compete. Odell ups his game when Landry is involved.
I wouldn't mind either a DRC for Landry or a DRC for Joe Thomas deal. But, those seem highly unlikely to happen. Miami would have to be crazy to trade Landry. He's probably their best player, except for - maybe - Suh.
(1) The Giants are not trading DRC for Albert.
(2) The Dolphins are not trading Landry for DRC.
The combine can't get here fast enough.
But many think that managing the cap for future years so the Giants don't find themselves as bottom fielders again is all important. I guess that's a valid way to approach the game. But trading DRC for draft choices? Some of the younger here may believe that you're going to use the picks to get two players as good as DRC, when it's more likely that you'll get one better than average guy who will become a starter. Trade DRC, JPP walks for an extra two million, and say goodbye to our elite new defense before it even got started.
I don't believe a Jarvis Landry trade is likely at all. I expect the Dolphins will extend him soon.
In the spirit of hypothetical discussions in a slow news period (and that is all any of this really is), let's assume NYG might be willing to consider a deal of some kind.
Big Blue Unbiased suggests 4 alternate trade situations for DRC, what do you think?
1. Atlanta Falcons for G Andy Levitre
2. New Orleans Saints for RB Mark Ingram
3. Green Bay Packers for QB Brett Hundley
4. Detroit Lions for TE Eric Ebron
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2. It would probably be for a 3rd rounder at best. The Dolphins aren't dumb and know he's 31 with 1 more good season in him. I'd even be surprised if they got a 3rd.
In reality, the offer is probably more like a conditional 6th with the Dolphins just seeing if the Giants are thinking about cutting him. Based on last year Giants are going to keep him so they'll say no and that will be that.
absolutely agree.....
But many think that managing the cap for future years so the Giants don't find themselves as bottom fielders again is all important. I guess that's a valid way to approach the game. But trading DRC for draft choices? Some of the younger here may believe that you're going to use the picks to get two players as good as DRC, when it's more likely that you'll get one better than average guy who will become a starter. Trade DRC, JPP walks for an extra two million, and say goodbye to our elite new defense before it even got started.
Maybe w that extra 5 million u can Re do JPP and Hankins? No one wants the guy gone. People forget the cap hell the team was in. DRC had to has his snapped managed because he can't play full time.
It's no dumb. It's. It short sighted. Is just a different view point. I don't get the way people act like trading him is insane.
Bill Belichick the best NFL coach traded Collins and Chandler. He's trade DRC in a second I'd be thought it was good. Who's smarter the people losing their shit over the mere suggestion or the best coach in the lst 25 years?
The money he is due under his current contract is not guaranteed. As usual, the concept would be to get him to agree to a new deal with the trading partner that gives him some guaranteed money, but not as much as the nominal amount.
And Coughlin may well be interested if reports are accurate.
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You would think that nearly everyone's first goal would be making it to the Super Bowl the next two seasons, while Eli still here and we suddenly have a Championship caliber defense. Five on 1st or 2nd All Pro plus all rookie team Apple and JPP.
But many think that managing the cap for future years so the Giants don't find themselves as bottom fielders again is all important. I guess that's a valid way to approach the game. But trading DRC for draft choices? Some of the younger here may believe that you're going to use the picks to get two players as good as DRC, when it's more likely that you'll get one better than average guy who will become a starter. Trade DRC, JPP walks for an extra two million, and say goodbye to our elite new defense before it even got started.
Maybe w that extra 5 million u can Re do JPP and Hankins? No one wants the guy gone. People forget the cap hell the team was in. DRC had to has his snapped managed because he can't play full time.
It's no dumb. It's. It short sighted. Is just a different view point. I don't get the way people act like trading him is insane.
Bill Belichick the best NFL coach traded Collins and Chandler. He's trade DRC in a second I'd be thought it was good. Who's smarter the people losing their shit over the mere suggestion or the best coach in the lst 25 years?
That's a terrible example when the guy you reference is capable of turning 3rd rounders and UDFA's into solid starting corners. And it's not as if there's more than one guy who's been doing it, it's basically Belichick and only Belichick. If we had a guy who could coach like that, we'd be making those personnel moves as well.