Browns were reported to be asking for a second round pick for Thomas at the trade deadline. If that is still their current asking price, would you trade the Giants second round pick for him?
IMO too high a pick for a rental, and there are too many missing pieces at this point. Plus there is value in the FA market that won't cost the team a premium pick.
1. He's 32. We're talking about targeting Whitworth, who is 35.
2. Thomas has been on a loser his entire career. Going to the Giants would be a new start. That makes him dangerous.
3. He'd be a positive influence on our young linemen.
4. The mental boost that it would give Eli would be enormous. To go from having your blind side protected by a young guy with questionable technique to a possible HOFer that has seen it all...the value of that can't be calculated.
1. He's 32. We're talking about targeting Whitworth, who is 35.
2. Thomas has been on a loser his entire career. Going to the Giants would be a new start. That makes him dangerous.
3. He'd be a positive influence on our young linemen.
4. The mental boost that it would give Eli would be enormous. To go from having your blind side protected by a young guy with questionable technique to a possible HOFer that has seen it all...the value of that can't be calculated.
It would be a great move.
Great analysis. The problem is that I don't think the Browns would do it. Aside from his obvious talent, Spotrac says they'd have an $11.5M cap hit if they traded him.
like most on this thread...because I'd continually recall names like Landon Collins, Sterling Shepard, Hankins, Umenyiora, Linval, Snee, Steve Smith, TT etc.
However if one truly believes the Giants have one more Eli led SB run in them, it becomes rather easy to swallow because they're not winning a SB with Flowers at LT. And Manning has 2-3 years left.
I would trade Sterling Shepard for Thomas right now
Okay so my blind side is covered, great. And now I have exactly 1 target which the entire secondary will be draped all over. Well there's always Tye...
A healthy Shepard is going to catch 80 balls next season for 900+ yards.
Cleveland is a rebuilding team with an asset to trade and needs to get value. In that situation, the contender generally ends up overpaying.
I think a 2nd round pick is too much for him, but the Giants are going to have to overpay to get him. I'd ask for something else to sweeten the deal, like swapping picks in the 5th or something (move up 23 spots in the 5th).
But if I didn't get it, I might make the deal anyway.
Do that, grab a TE in the first, sign Peterson to a reasonable 1 or 2 year deal, get an edge rusher or a WR in the 3rd, then with the fourth get whichever one of those slots you didn't get in the 3rd ...
And maybe even the #1 (23rd over-all ?), the Browns are going nowhere for a long time (and they know it).
This guy can play a Pro Bowl level NOW, we don't have to wait and see if he's a pro player or "bring him along (or worse find out that he's a good guard and not a tackle - how many times has that happened to many teams !)
I don't agree with tight end being the biggest need. To me it's LT, WR, THEN tight end and right tackle right behind.
IMO too high a pick for a rental, and there are too many missing pieces at this point. Plus there is value in the FA market that won't cost the team a premium pick.
Why a rental?
And can they get permission to negotiate a contract first?
He's better than what is out there and while our GM proved he can identify talent at the CB and WR positions in the draft, he has more difficulty with the OL. He is the sure thing.
You lose 55th overall and 'around about' 10 mil in cap space but you completely fix the O-Line with this deal... totally worth it, this roster is the most talented it's been since our SB's and arguably even better.. ALL IN..
JPP+HANK+THOMAS+AP = back to back GM of the year awards for Reese. After we do this^ all we have to do is hope we can draft Corey Davis and then we can all book our trips to Minnesota next February. Lol, this is going to be another INSANE offseason!
We are not winning a championship with this offensive line..
or even if we draft one with our first pick this year. We need 2-3 quality starters.
So you can dick around with finding a tight end, another receiver, or whatever you think this team needs... but we are not going anywhere until the line is fixed. Not some half assed attempt and patching a hole or two.
RE: RE: RE: No, a third and a fifth is the highest I go.
There are a bunch of guys that should be available in the second that I think would be great fits for us.
Well. Guess we are lucky you are not the GM
No, lucky that I wouldn't pay a first. A second this year is not like prior years. This draft is loaded.
Okay this draft "might" be loaded but we are picking later than we have picked since the year after our most recent SB, meaning our picks this year are less valuable than our picks of recent years... unless this draft is truly, ALOT stronger than recent drafts, I don't get your point.. and btw there was a guy in the second round of every single draft that would fit really nice here..
My point is there are other ways to fix the OL and still have yothe pi
I like what I am hearing with Reiff. I think Pugh is a good LT. I would add another vet guard for competition. I would let Reiff, Pugh, and Flowers battle it out. I personally believe that Flowers will be no better at RT than LT because of his flaws. RT will not hide them. He has also played his whole life on the left side. Going to the right side will not be easier. Therefore, I would like to see him working between LT and LG. I think pur best combination would be Pugh at LT, Flowers at LG, vet RG, and Reiff at RT. This would allow us to keep our pick and possibly save money against the cap to keep JPP. We can also look for another vet DB. Bring back Robinson. Also, maybe get a TE like Sims. Keeping our pick would also give us another young cheap player for 5 years.
No fucking way. You're trading a cost controller good young player with upside for a great but expensive older player. Young productive cost controlled players are worth their weight in gold.
I'd trade the second rounder but in no way am I trading an established player with only one year in the league. That is a panic move if there ever was one. Someone else said flowers and a second? What are you high?
You're trading resources and spending a lot of money for a player you know little about. Grass isn't always greener. If you want a left tackle that badly blow whitworth out of the water. At least you keep the pick.
The whole point in acquiring a LT is if they can find a better place along the OL for flowers to flourish. In essence you hope and expect to upgrade two spots along the OL if you can land the LT.
I've been beating the reiff drum for a couple of weeks now. For one thing he actually might leave Detroit unlike a guy like whitworth who seems likely to stay and joe Thomas isn't even worthy of saying he's a pipe dream. He's a fantasy. He isn't even a FA and the cost will be too high.
Reiff actually played LT for some time and apparently wasn't terrible but the lions drafted the better player, moved Reiff to RT and he flourished. He also said all the right things upon being moved. He can push flowers and play either side. Perfect.
Its a no brainer. All Pro who never misses a snap? Aligns with the end of Eli's career. Yes you do it and don't think twice. Not happening though- he's worth more.
Great analysis. The problem is that I don't think the Browns would do it. Aside from his obvious talent, Spotrac says they'd have an $11.5M cap hit if they traded him.
Actually that is not quite correct. Joe Thomas's contract for 2017 2018 according to spotrac has an $8.8m base salary, a $2.5m roster bonus and a $200k workout bonus. There is no attributed portion of his signing bonus against the salary cap and there is no guaranteed money left in his deal.
What this means is should Joe Thomas be traded before the roster bonus is due, Thomas would be off the books for the Browns, freeing up $11.5m
Apparently the 2018 portion of his contract is structured the same to the 2017 potion other than the roster bonus being lower at $1m.
If we were to trade for Joe Thomas it would be for $11.5m in 2017 and $10m in 2018 without any guaranteed money. There is of course the option of reworking the deal should that be desirable.
It would improve both our LT and RT, as Flowers would move to the right side.
We proved we are a pretty decent team this year. Rather than rebuild, we shoudl reload and try for one more before Eli declines. Either a 2nd or maybe a 3rd and Bobby Hart.
Why would Cleveland trade him - yes they are bad and need assets, but how are they better off getting rid of a top level LT that they will have to replace. They are not getting Joe Thomas back to play LT
Why would Cleveland trade him - yes they are bad and need assets, but how are they better off getting rid of a top level LT that they will have to replace. They are not getting Joe Thomas back to play LT
I will sign Whitworth first and save the pick
I'm in for that. Problem APPEARS TO BE that Whitworth wants to stay in Cincy and the Bengals do as well..
RE: My point is there are other ways to fix the OL and still have yothe pi
I like what I am hearing with Reiff. I think Pugh is a good LT. I would add another vet guard for competition. I would let Reiff, Pugh, and Flowers battle it out. I personally believe that Flowers will be no better at RT than LT because of his flaws. RT will not hide them. He has also played his whole life on the left side. Going to the right side will not be easier. Therefore, I would like to see him working between LT and LG. I think pur best combination would be Pugh at LT, Flowers at LG, vet RG, and Reiff at RT. This would allow us to keep our pick and possibly save money against the cap to keep JPP. We can also look for another vet DB. Bring back Robinson. Also, maybe get a TE like Sims. Keeping our pick would also give us another young cheap player for 5 years.
But we have been told that Pugh's arms are too short to play LT. (8>
Pugh played left tackle and wasn't very good at it.
I have to wonder if Joe Staley can be had for a third rounder (I don't think NYG would give up anything higher and that may be pushing given how they value their draft picks)
The 49ers have a new regime with unprecedented six year contracts so they have the time on their side to re-build that thing.
Staley is 32, still playing at an elite level, only making 8 million per year and locked up at the number for three years. NYG also liked him pre-draft. He would make a ton of sense if the trade demands aren't higher than a third and a maybe a conditional late pick.
RE: I posted in another thread but also works here- Joe Staley
I have to wonder if Joe Staley can be had for a third rounder (I don't think NYG would give up anything higher and that may be pushing given how they value their draft picks)
The 49ers have a new regime with unprecedented six year contracts so they have the time on their side to re-build that thing.
Staley is 32, still playing at an elite level, only making 8 million per year and locked up at the number for three years. NYG also liked him pre-draft. He would make a ton of sense if the trade demands aren't higher than a third and a maybe a conditional late pick.
Why would the Niners make this trade? Why would you open a hole at LT, when the result is only $8M returned in cap space and a third round pick?
RE: RE: I posted in another thread but also works here- Joe Staley
I have to wonder if Joe Staley can be had for a third rounder (I don't think NYG would give up anything higher and that may be pushing given how they value their draft picks)
The 49ers have a new regime with unprecedented six year contracts so they have the time on their side to re-build that thing.
Staley is 32, still playing at an elite level, only making 8 million per year and locked up at the number for three years. NYG also liked him pre-draft. He would make a ton of sense if the trade demands aren't higher than a third and a maybe a conditional late pick.
Why would the Niners make this trade? Why would you open a hole at LT, when the result is only $8M returned in cap space and a third round pick?
Given that they do not appear to be contenders ( though with parity you never know from one year to the next) similar to the Browns, why not get younger and build through the draft?
It's not easy filling a number of vacant or practically vacant positions every season.
Now think about what the Browns or 49ers have to do. Do you really think their priority list includes opening up a hole at LT for minimal resources in return, all in the name of 'getting younger'?
Another thing to consider - anyone see the lousy list of available FAs for the OT position last season? And the slightly better list of guys available this year? With tackle play around the league being relatively poor, why would either of these teams trade away a guy considered to be very good, healthy, and playing for a reasonable amount of money when the chances of drafting or signing his replacement aren't in their favor? And if they were going to trade him, why would they do it for so little in return when the demand is so high?
Makes no sense - which is why it hasn't happened.
RE: RE: I posted in another thread but also works here- Joe Staley
I have to wonder if Joe Staley can be had for a third rounder (I don't think NYG would give up anything higher and that may be pushing given how they value their draft picks)
The 49ers have a new regime with unprecedented six year contracts so they have the time on their side to re-build that thing.
Staley is 32, still playing at an elite level, only making 8 million per year and locked up at the number for three years. NYG also liked him pre-draft. He would make a ton of sense if the trade demands aren't higher than a third and a maybe a conditional late pick.
Why would the Niners make this trade? Why would you open a hole at LT, when the result is only $8M returned in cap space and a third round pick?
Because they are in a total re-build, not far off from Cleveland Browns level with a whole new regime that has a clean slate and time on their side. A total re-build means accumulate as many premium draft picks as possible and that would equate to rounds 1-3. With Staley as one of the only (maybe only) valuable assets they have that can return such premium draft picks, that goes hand and hand. Make sense? Also, by the time they are actually somewhat close to even being an 8-8 team, Staley will probably be close to done. Why hold your most valuable asset and get nothing in return for it when it doesn't fit their current situation
Would they prefer a 2nd rounder? Duh. But since its a compromise and the Giants wouldn't give a 2nd rounder, thus my 3rd round scenario.
Do I think it will happen? Probably not, but a helluva lot more realistic than Joe Thomas or half the other nonsense thrown around here.
Because they are in a total re-build, not far off from Cleveland Browns level with a whole new regime that has a clean slate and time on their side. A total re-build means accumulate as many premium draft picks as possible and that would equate to rounds 1-3. With Staley as one of the only (maybe only) valuable assets they have that can return such premium draft picks, that goes hand and hand. Make sense? Also, by the time they are actually somewhat close to even being an 8-8 team, Staley will probably be close to done. Why hold your most valuable asset and get nothing in return for it when it doesn't fit their current situation
For starters, this is the NFL, not the NBA - it's not going to take these guys 5 years to rebuild if they do it right.
Second - the first order of business is going to be getting a QB. You know what you need for a QB before anything else? You guessed it - a LT. How far do you think that 3rd rounder is going to go towards them adding an LT? Or the $8M that they'd free up? With the cap going up this season and next, that's going to be peanuts by the end of next season.
Finally - he's 32 now, and hasn't had any health issues. Who's to say that he won't play for another 4-5 years?
Staley isn't going anywhere for a 3rd. Neither is Thomas. There's a reason these guys get mentioned on rumor mills and never move - because the hole you open by moving them either needs (a) a capable player already on the roster who can develop into the next LT or (b) enough in return to justify creating another hole that you have to fill. A 3rd rounder isn't going to do that in any way, shape or form.
Given that it's a late 2nd round pick (#55), absolutely. There is no player they can draft there who would have anywhere near the impact Thomas would have this year. They fix that LT problem and a lot of other things will get better.
Problem is Reese won't do it. He doesn't want to let down his scouts who work so hard all year by dumping a premium pick they won't have the opportunity to make then. He's way too sensitive to this. Someone needs to tell him he's the GM. That doesn't involve sensitivity awareness.
Given that it's a late 2nd round pick (#55), absolutely. There is no player they can draft there who would have anywhere near the impact Thomas would have this year. They fix that LT problem and a lot of other things will get better.
Problem is Reese won't do it. He doesn't want to let down his scouts who work so hard all year by dumping a premium pick they won't have the opportunity to make then. He's way too sensitive to this. Someone needs to tell him he's the GM. That doesn't involve sensitivity awareness.
Absolutely, he's way too sensitive, just like the 20 or so other NFL GMs that also need a top flight LT and would only have to part with a late 2nd round pick to get him. They're all just a bunch of pansies.
Given that it's a late 2nd round pick (#55), absolutely. There is no player they can draft there who would have anywhere near the impact Thomas would have this year. They fix that LT problem and a lot of other things will get better.
Problem is Reese won't do it. He doesn't want to let down his scouts who work so hard all year by dumping a premium pick they won't have the opportunity to make then. He's way too sensitive to this. Someone needs to tell him he's the GM. That doesn't involve sensitivity awareness.
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Problem is Reese won't do it. He doesn't want to let down his scouts who work so hard all year by dumping a premium pick they won't have the opportunity to make then. He's way too sensitive to this. Someone needs to tell him he's the GM. That doesn't involve sensitivity awareness.
Where do you come up with this shit? You state this as you know for fact this is the case..
Where do I get this? Reese admitted it a couple of years ago when someone asked him about trading a pick for a player. His response, and I'll paraphrase, was "...we don't like to trade those picks. Our scouts work too hard to not be able to make those picks on draft day". His words.
John, I do remember Reese saying that (while working for Ernie A) ....
I believe that was 2003, when the Giants had 11 draft picks (the William Joseph year) .....
Everybody thought, for sure, he was going to parlay his three #6s & three #7s to move up in the draft. The only player in that lower group that worked out was David Tyree.
Where do I get this? Reese admitted it a couple of years ago when someone asked him about trading a pick for a player. His response, and I'll paraphrase, was "...we don't like to trade those picks. Our scouts work too hard to not be able to make those picks on draft day". His words.
Could the NYG structure this as a trade (DRC) with a draft pick making up any difference in value?
If so, what pick would be reasonable in THAT situation? 4, 5?
Why would they want a rental at CB? That franchise is and has been in rebuild mode for as long as I can remember, they need picks. Not a CB who will be out of the league in a two or three years.
I'd give them a 2nd yesterday. Giants are win now.
premium draft picks for Joe Thomas -- they are committed to building the Giants through the draft and judicious signings in FA --
it makes zero sense to buy Thomas for one or two years for a pick that is favorably salary fixed for four years
not going to happen - nor should it
trading sheppard for thomas -- is epically insane - that's like drawing on twenty in black jack -- you simply don't -- you know what you have in sheppard -- you are guessing to an extent with thomas
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
and finally something to play for
In regards to trading a #2 for him, it would depend. Do the Giants believe that Flowers can start at another position? If not, then no.
2. Thomas has been on a loser his entire career. Going to the Giants would be a new start. That makes him dangerous.
3. He'd be a positive influence on our young linemen.
4. The mental boost that it would give Eli would be enormous. To go from having your blind side protected by a young guy with questionable technique to a possible HOFer that has seen it all...the value of that can't be calculated.
It would be a great move.
They have also been pretty adamant about not willing to trade him.
So, yes. In fact, I do the 2nd rounder and throw in EF.
If I didn't land another LT, though, I'd do the deal at the time of our 2nd round pick, after seeing who was available to us.
They have also been pretty adamant about not willing to trade him.
I believe that was for Alex Mack IIRC.
2. Thomas has been on a loser his entire career. Going to the Giants would be a new start. That makes him dangerous.
3. He'd be a positive influence on our young linemen.
4. The mental boost that it would give Eli would be enormous. To go from having your blind side protected by a young guy with questionable technique to a possible HOFer that has seen it all...the value of that can't be calculated.
It would be a great move.
Great analysis. The problem is that I don't think the Browns would do it. Aside from his obvious talent, Spotrac says they'd have an $11.5M cap hit if they traded him.
However if one truly believes the Giants have one more Eli led SB run in them, it becomes rather easy to swallow because they're not winning a SB with Flowers at LT. And Manning has 2-3 years left.
A healthy Shepard is going to catch 80 balls next season for 900+ yards.
People kept throwing around proposals - 2nds, 3rds, 3rds and 4ths or 5ths - but nothing from Cleveland or from the rumor mill on Cleveland's demands.
I think a 2nd round pick is too much for him, but the Giants are going to have to overpay to get him. I'd ask for something else to sweeten the deal, like swapping picks in the 5th or something (move up 23 spots in the 5th).
But if I didn't get it, I might make the deal anyway.
Oh yes. Now I do believe we are talking.
And maybe even the #1 (23rd over-all ?), the Browns are going nowhere for a long time (and they know it).
This guy can play a Pro Bowl level NOW, we don't have to wait and see if he's a pro player or "bring him along (or worse find out that he's a good guard and not a tackle - how many times has that happened to many teams !)
I don't agree with tight end being the biggest need. To me it's LT, WR, THEN tight end and right tackle right behind.
Why a rental?
And can they get permission to negotiate a contract first?
Well. Guess we are lucky you are not the GM
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There are a bunch of guys that should be available in the second that I think would be great fits for us.
Well. Guess we are lucky you are not the GM
No, lucky that I wouldn't pay a first. A second this year is not like prior years. This draft is loaded.
JPP+HANK+THOMAS+AP = back to back GM of the year awards for Reese. After we do this^ all we have to do is hope we can draft Corey Davis and then we can all book our trips to Minnesota next February. Lol, this is going to be another INSANE offseason!
So you can dick around with finding a tight end, another receiver, or whatever you think this team needs... but we are not going anywhere until the line is fixed. Not some half assed attempt and patching a hole or two.
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There are a bunch of guys that should be available in the second that I think would be great fits for us.
Well. Guess we are lucky you are not the GM
No, lucky that I wouldn't pay a first. A second this year is not like prior years. This draft is loaded.
Okay this draft "might" be loaded but we are picking later than we have picked since the year after our most recent SB, meaning our picks this year are less valuable than our picks of recent years... unless this draft is truly, ALOT stronger than recent drafts, I don't get your point.. and btw there was a guy in the second round of every single draft that would fit really nice here..
If so, what pick would be reasonable in THAT situation? 4, 5?
Have to find one thru draft...maybe not this off season but maybe in next yrs draft or 19'
Can't knee jerk because you are desperate for a LT.
No fucking way. You're trading a cost controller good young player with upside for a great but expensive older player. Young productive cost controlled players are worth their weight in gold.
I'd trade the second rounder but in no way am I trading an established player with only one year in the league. That is a panic move if there ever was one. Someone else said flowers and a second? What are you high?
The whole point in acquiring a LT is if they can find a better place along the OL for flowers to flourish. In essence you hope and expect to upgrade two spots along the OL if you can land the LT.
Reiff actually played LT for some time and apparently wasn't terrible but the lions drafted the better player, moved Reiff to RT and he flourished. He also said all the right things upon being moved. He can push flowers and play either side. Perfect.
Welcome aboard Joe!
He'd murder people here.
36
Not 38
Come on. That's absurd, Terps.
Are you ok?
really going on there on the limb with that joke huh
Not sure who that is though yet?
Keep our picks...
Nah prolly like 2 more years, similar to every "baller" receiver we've had past 10 years that's flawed out thanks to injuries
Great analysis. The problem is that I don't think the Browns would do it. Aside from his obvious talent, Spotrac says they'd have an $11.5M cap hit if they traded him.
Actually that is not quite correct. Joe Thomas's contract for 2017 2018 according to spotrac has an $8.8m base salary, a $2.5m roster bonus and a $200k workout bonus. There is no attributed portion of his signing bonus against the salary cap and there is no guaranteed money left in his deal.
What this means is should Joe Thomas be traded before the roster bonus is due, Thomas would be off the books for the Browns, freeing up $11.5m
Apparently the 2018 portion of his contract is structured the same to the 2017 potion other than the roster bonus being lower at $1m.
If we were to trade for Joe Thomas it would be for $11.5m in 2017 and $10m in 2018 without any guaranteed money. There is of course the option of reworking the deal should that be desirable.
March 9: Trading period for 2017 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time.
So if a trade involving Joe Thomas was to happen, it almost certainly would take place in the window between the 9th and 12th March.
That of course assumes Cleveland is willing to make a deal.
We proved we are a pretty decent team this year. Rather than rebuild, we shoudl reload and try for one more before Eli declines. Either a 2nd or maybe a 3rd and Bobby Hart.
I will sign Whitworth first and save the pick
I will sign Whitworth first and save the pick
I'm in for that. Problem APPEARS TO BE that Whitworth wants to stay in Cincy and the Bengals do as well..
The 49ers have a new regime with unprecedented six year contracts so they have the time on their side to re-build that thing.
Staley is 32, still playing at an elite level, only making 8 million per year and locked up at the number for three years. NYG also liked him pre-draft. He would make a ton of sense if the trade demands aren't higher than a third and a maybe a conditional late pick.
The 49ers have a new regime with unprecedented six year contracts so they have the time on their side to re-build that thing.
Staley is 32, still playing at an elite level, only making 8 million per year and locked up at the number for three years. NYG also liked him pre-draft. He would make a ton of sense if the trade demands aren't higher than a third and a maybe a conditional late pick.
Why would the Niners make this trade? Why would you open a hole at LT, when the result is only $8M returned in cap space and a third round pick?
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I have to wonder if Joe Staley can be had for a third rounder (I don't think NYG would give up anything higher and that may be pushing given how they value their draft picks)
The 49ers have a new regime with unprecedented six year contracts so they have the time on their side to re-build that thing.
Staley is 32, still playing at an elite level, only making 8 million per year and locked up at the number for three years. NYG also liked him pre-draft. He would make a ton of sense if the trade demands aren't higher than a third and a maybe a conditional late pick.
Why would the Niners make this trade? Why would you open a hole at LT, when the result is only $8M returned in cap space and a third round pick?
Given that they do not appear to be contenders ( though with parity you never know from one year to the next) similar to the Browns, why not get younger and build through the draft?
Now think about what the Browns or 49ers have to do. Do you really think their priority list includes opening up a hole at LT for minimal resources in return, all in the name of 'getting younger'?
Another thing to consider - anyone see the lousy list of available FAs for the OT position last season? And the slightly better list of guys available this year? With tackle play around the league being relatively poor, why would either of these teams trade away a guy considered to be very good, healthy, and playing for a reasonable amount of money when the chances of drafting or signing his replacement aren't in their favor? And if they were going to trade him, why would they do it for so little in return when the demand is so high?
Makes no sense - which is why it hasn't happened.
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I have to wonder if Joe Staley can be had for a third rounder (I don't think NYG would give up anything higher and that may be pushing given how they value their draft picks)
The 49ers have a new regime with unprecedented six year contracts so they have the time on their side to re-build that thing.
Staley is 32, still playing at an elite level, only making 8 million per year and locked up at the number for three years. NYG also liked him pre-draft. He would make a ton of sense if the trade demands aren't higher than a third and a maybe a conditional late pick.
Why would the Niners make this trade? Why would you open a hole at LT, when the result is only $8M returned in cap space and a third round pick?
Because they are in a total re-build, not far off from Cleveland Browns level with a whole new regime that has a clean slate and time on their side. A total re-build means accumulate as many premium draft picks as possible and that would equate to rounds 1-3. With Staley as one of the only (maybe only) valuable assets they have that can return such premium draft picks, that goes hand and hand. Make sense? Also, by the time they are actually somewhat close to even being an 8-8 team, Staley will probably be close to done. Why hold your most valuable asset and get nothing in return for it when it doesn't fit their current situation
Would they prefer a 2nd rounder? Duh. But since its a compromise and the Giants wouldn't give a 2nd rounder, thus my 3rd round scenario.
Do I think it will happen? Probably not, but a helluva lot more realistic than Joe Thomas or half the other nonsense thrown around here.
For starters, this is the NFL, not the NBA - it's not going to take these guys 5 years to rebuild if they do it right.
Second - the first order of business is going to be getting a QB. You know what you need for a QB before anything else? You guessed it - a LT. How far do you think that 3rd rounder is going to go towards them adding an LT? Or the $8M that they'd free up? With the cap going up this season and next, that's going to be peanuts by the end of next season.
Finally - he's 32 now, and hasn't had any health issues. Who's to say that he won't play for another 4-5 years?
Staley isn't going anywhere for a 3rd. Neither is Thomas. There's a reason these guys get mentioned on rumor mills and never move - because the hole you open by moving them either needs (a) a capable player already on the roster who can develop into the next LT or (b) enough in return to justify creating another hole that you have to fill. A 3rd rounder isn't going to do that in any way, shape or form.
Problem is Reese won't do it. He doesn't want to let down his scouts who work so hard all year by dumping a premium pick they won't have the opportunity to make then. He's way too sensitive to this. Someone needs to tell him he's the GM. That doesn't involve sensitivity awareness.
Problem is Reese won't do it. He doesn't want to let down his scouts who work so hard all year by dumping a premium pick they won't have the opportunity to make then. He's way too sensitive to this. Someone needs to tell him he's the GM. That doesn't involve sensitivity awareness.
Absolutely, he's way too sensitive, just like the 20 or so other NFL GMs that also need a top flight LT and would only have to part with a late 2nd round pick to get him. They're all just a bunch of pansies.
Problem is Reese won't do it. He doesn't want to let down his scouts who work so hard all year by dumping a premium pick they won't have the opportunity to make then. He's way too sensitive to this. Someone needs to tell him he's the GM. That doesn't involve sensitivity awareness.
Problem is Reese won't do it. He doesn't want to let down his scouts who work so hard all year by dumping a premium pick they won't have the opportunity to make then. He's way too sensitive to this. Someone needs to tell him he's the GM. That doesn't involve sensitivity awareness.
Where do you come up with this shit? You state this as you know for fact this is the case..
I believe that was 2003, when the Giants had 11 draft picks (the William Joseph year) .....
Everybody thought, for sure, he was going to parlay his three #6s & three #7s to move up in the draft. The only player in that lower group that worked out was David Tyree.
(It's still a head-scratcher for me)
Where did you see those words? Let's see a link.
3 number 2's is considered a full house.
If so, what pick would be reasonable in THAT situation? 4, 5?
Why would they want a rental at CB? That franchise is and has been in rebuild mode for as long as I can remember, they need picks. Not a CB who will be out of the league in a two or three years.
I'd give them a 2nd yesterday. Giants are win now.
A GM like Mike Tannenbaum would do this. He doesn't mind burning picks for star players.
it makes zero sense to buy Thomas for one or two years for a pick that is favorably salary fixed for four years
not going to happen - nor should it
trading sheppard for thomas -- is epically insane - that's like drawing on twenty in black jack -- you simply don't -- you know what you have in sheppard -- you are guessing to an extent with thomas