Browns were reported to be asking for a second round pick for Thomas at the trade deadline. If that is still their current asking price, would you trade the Giants second round pick for him?
IMO too high a pick for a rental, and there are too many missing pieces at this point. Plus there is value in the FA market that won't cost the team a premium pick.
1. He's 32. We're talking about targeting Whitworth, who is 35.
2. Thomas has been on a loser his entire career. Going to the Giants would be a new start. That makes him dangerous.
3. He'd be a positive influence on our young linemen.
4. The mental boost that it would give Eli would be enormous. To go from having your blind side protected by a young guy with questionable technique to a possible HOFer that has seen it all...the value of that can't be calculated.
1. He's 32. We're talking about targeting Whitworth, who is 35.
2. Thomas has been on a loser his entire career. Going to the Giants would be a new start. That makes him dangerous.
3. He'd be a positive influence on our young linemen.
4. The mental boost that it would give Eli would be enormous. To go from having your blind side protected by a young guy with questionable technique to a possible HOFer that has seen it all...the value of that can't be calculated.
It would be a great move.
Great analysis. The problem is that I don't think the Browns would do it. Aside from his obvious talent, Spotrac says they'd have an $11.5M cap hit if they traded him.
like most on this thread...because I'd continually recall names like Landon Collins, Sterling Shepard, Hankins, Umenyiora, Linval, Snee, Steve Smith, TT etc.
However if one truly believes the Giants have one more Eli led SB run in them, it becomes rather easy to swallow because they're not winning a SB with Flowers at LT. And Manning has 2-3 years left.
I would trade Sterling Shepard for Thomas right now
Okay so my blind side is covered, great. And now I have exactly 1 target which the entire secondary will be draped all over. Well there's always Tye...
A healthy Shepard is going to catch 80 balls next season for 900+ yards.
Cleveland is a rebuilding team with an asset to trade and needs to get value. In that situation, the contender generally ends up overpaying.
I think a 2nd round pick is too much for him, but the Giants are going to have to overpay to get him. I'd ask for something else to sweeten the deal, like swapping picks in the 5th or something (move up 23 spots in the 5th).
But if I didn't get it, I might make the deal anyway.
Do that, grab a TE in the first, sign Peterson to a reasonable 1 or 2 year deal, get an edge rusher or a WR in the 3rd, then with the fourth get whichever one of those slots you didn't get in the 3rd ...
And maybe even the #1 (23rd over-all ?), the Browns are going nowhere for a long time (and they know it).
This guy can play a Pro Bowl level NOW, we don't have to wait and see if he's a pro player or "bring him along (or worse find out that he's a good guard and not a tackle - how many times has that happened to many teams !)
I don't agree with tight end being the biggest need. To me it's LT, WR, THEN tight end and right tackle right behind.
IMO too high a pick for a rental, and there are too many missing pieces at this point. Plus there is value in the FA market that won't cost the team a premium pick.
Why a rental?
And can they get permission to negotiate a contract first?
He's better than what is out there and while our GM proved he can identify talent at the CB and WR positions in the draft, he has more difficulty with the OL. He is the sure thing.
You lose 55th overall and 'around about' 10 mil in cap space but you completely fix the O-Line with this deal... totally worth it, this roster is the most talented it's been since our SB's and arguably even better.. ALL IN..
JPP+HANK+THOMAS+AP = back to back GM of the year awards for Reese. After we do this^ all we have to do is hope we can draft Corey Davis and then we can all book our trips to Minnesota next February. Lol, this is going to be another INSANE offseason!
We are not winning a championship with this offensive line..
or even if we draft one with our first pick this year. We need 2-3 quality starters.
So you can dick around with finding a tight end, another receiver, or whatever you think this team needs... but we are not going anywhere until the line is fixed. Not some half assed attempt and patching a hole or two.
RE: RE: RE: No, a third and a fifth is the highest I go.
There are a bunch of guys that should be available in the second that I think would be great fits for us.
Well. Guess we are lucky you are not the GM
No, lucky that I wouldn't pay a first. A second this year is not like prior years. This draft is loaded.
Okay this draft "might" be loaded but we are picking later than we have picked since the year after our most recent SB, meaning our picks this year are less valuable than our picks of recent years... unless this draft is truly, ALOT stronger than recent drafts, I don't get your point.. and btw there was a guy in the second round of every single draft that would fit really nice here..
My point is there are other ways to fix the OL and still have yothe pi
I like what I am hearing with Reiff. I think Pugh is a good LT. I would add another vet guard for competition. I would let Reiff, Pugh, and Flowers battle it out. I personally believe that Flowers will be no better at RT than LT because of his flaws. RT will not hide them. He has also played his whole life on the left side. Going to the right side will not be easier. Therefore, I would like to see him working between LT and LG. I think pur best combination would be Pugh at LT, Flowers at LG, vet RG, and Reiff at RT. This would allow us to keep our pick and possibly save money against the cap to keep JPP. We can also look for another vet DB. Bring back Robinson. Also, maybe get a TE like Sims. Keeping our pick would also give us another young cheap player for 5 years.
No fucking way. You're trading a cost controller good young player with upside for a great but expensive older player. Young productive cost controlled players are worth their weight in gold.
I'd trade the second rounder but in no way am I trading an established player with only one year in the league. That is a panic move if there ever was one. Someone else said flowers and a second? What are you high?
You're trading resources and spending a lot of money for a player you know little about. Grass isn't always greener. If you want a left tackle that badly blow whitworth out of the water. At least you keep the pick.
The whole point in acquiring a LT is if they can find a better place along the OL for flowers to flourish. In essence you hope and expect to upgrade two spots along the OL if you can land the LT.
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and finally something to play for
In regards to trading a #2 for him, it would depend. Do the Giants believe that Flowers can start at another position? If not, then no.
2. Thomas has been on a loser his entire career. Going to the Giants would be a new start. That makes him dangerous.
3. He'd be a positive influence on our young linemen.
4. The mental boost that it would give Eli would be enormous. To go from having your blind side protected by a young guy with questionable technique to a possible HOFer that has seen it all...the value of that can't be calculated.
It would be a great move.
They have also been pretty adamant about not willing to trade him.
So, yes. In fact, I do the 2nd rounder and throw in EF.
If I didn't land another LT, though, I'd do the deal at the time of our 2nd round pick, after seeing who was available to us.
They have also been pretty adamant about not willing to trade him.
I believe that was for Alex Mack IIRC.
2. Thomas has been on a loser his entire career. Going to the Giants would be a new start. That makes him dangerous.
3. He'd be a positive influence on our young linemen.
4. The mental boost that it would give Eli would be enormous. To go from having your blind side protected by a young guy with questionable technique to a possible HOFer that has seen it all...the value of that can't be calculated.
It would be a great move.
Great analysis. The problem is that I don't think the Browns would do it. Aside from his obvious talent, Spotrac says they'd have an $11.5M cap hit if they traded him.
However if one truly believes the Giants have one more Eli led SB run in them, it becomes rather easy to swallow because they're not winning a SB with Flowers at LT. And Manning has 2-3 years left.
A healthy Shepard is going to catch 80 balls next season for 900+ yards.
People kept throwing around proposals - 2nds, 3rds, 3rds and 4ths or 5ths - but nothing from Cleveland or from the rumor mill on Cleveland's demands.
I think a 2nd round pick is too much for him, but the Giants are going to have to overpay to get him. I'd ask for something else to sweeten the deal, like swapping picks in the 5th or something (move up 23 spots in the 5th).
But if I didn't get it, I might make the deal anyway.
Oh yes. Now I do believe we are talking.
And maybe even the #1 (23rd over-all ?), the Browns are going nowhere for a long time (and they know it).
This guy can play a Pro Bowl level NOW, we don't have to wait and see if he's a pro player or "bring him along (or worse find out that he's a good guard and not a tackle - how many times has that happened to many teams !)
I don't agree with tight end being the biggest need. To me it's LT, WR, THEN tight end and right tackle right behind.
Why a rental?
And can they get permission to negotiate a contract first?
Well. Guess we are lucky you are not the GM
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There are a bunch of guys that should be available in the second that I think would be great fits for us.
Well. Guess we are lucky you are not the GM
No, lucky that I wouldn't pay a first. A second this year is not like prior years. This draft is loaded.
JPP+HANK+THOMAS+AP = back to back GM of the year awards for Reese. After we do this^ all we have to do is hope we can draft Corey Davis and then we can all book our trips to Minnesota next February. Lol, this is going to be another INSANE offseason!
So you can dick around with finding a tight end, another receiver, or whatever you think this team needs... but we are not going anywhere until the line is fixed. Not some half assed attempt and patching a hole or two.
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There are a bunch of guys that should be available in the second that I think would be great fits for us.
Well. Guess we are lucky you are not the GM
No, lucky that I wouldn't pay a first. A second this year is not like prior years. This draft is loaded.
Okay this draft "might" be loaded but we are picking later than we have picked since the year after our most recent SB, meaning our picks this year are less valuable than our picks of recent years... unless this draft is truly, ALOT stronger than recent drafts, I don't get your point.. and btw there was a guy in the second round of every single draft that would fit really nice here..
If so, what pick would be reasonable in THAT situation? 4, 5?
Have to find one thru draft...maybe not this off season but maybe in next yrs draft or 19'
Can't knee jerk because you are desperate for a LT.
No fucking way. You're trading a cost controller good young player with upside for a great but expensive older player. Young productive cost controlled players are worth their weight in gold.
I'd trade the second rounder but in no way am I trading an established player with only one year in the league. That is a panic move if there ever was one. Someone else said flowers and a second? What are you high?
The whole point in acquiring a LT is if they can find a better place along the OL for flowers to flourish. In essence you hope and expect to upgrade two spots along the OL if you can land the LT.