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NFT: Knicks Chat: "Multiple" teams interested in Rose

DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 7:15 am
-That per Begley

- Hawks looking to be buyers, have a bunch of extra picks (not really clear what they are looking for?)

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the guy averaged 19 7 and 2  
hitdog42 : 2/17/2017 12:53 pm : link
on a 49 win team in 2012-13 with 2 ball dominant players.
this idea he only scores because its a bad team is incorrect. efficient scorer, and can now shoot 3s.
good interior presence on defense (8 blocks vs. the bucks the other night)... poor pick n roll defender.... not a good rebounder.

he is like Rik Smits. He is better then Gortat- and should get a first. no team will trade 2 firsts however and i dont blame them. as someone smartly mentioned also, all firsts arent created equal.
RE: Pekovic and Rubio  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13364293 Jon in NYC said:
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for Noah and Rose.

Who says no?


Probably Minnesota. They have a lot of bad big men contracts. Pekovic is probably one of their better ones, he only has like a year left I believe. They have like $40M committed to Pek, Dieng, Hill and Aldrich and none of those guys are starters.
Can  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 1:26 pm : link
someone sell me on Muhammad? I mean I guess he's better than nothing but is he not Derrick Williams 2.0?
what did he say about Patrick?  
Greg from LI : 2/17/2017 1:28 pm : link
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RE: what did he say about Patrick?  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13364332 Greg from LI said:
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“I can’t respect Sprewell. These guys were flown in town to make him look good. I can’t respect those guys no more” — and even longtime running mate Patrick Ewing.

“Any time for Patrick [Ewing] to speak up, you think this would be it — he was my closest teammate who played with me,” Oakley told The Undefeated.
Muhammed  
JOMO25 : 2/17/2017 1:37 pm : link
is a decent scorer. While he is a poor pure shooter, he's one of those guys where the whole building knows he is going left, but he gets there anyway. Very strong player. But besides some bench scoring, he generally doesn't provide any other value.
RE: Can  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13364329 DanMetroMan said:
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someone sell me on Muhammad? I mean I guess he's better than nothing but is he not Derrick Williams 2.0?


I don't think Minnesota can sell anyone on him. They're attaching him to Rubio to get takers but no one seems to be interested.

I'd take Shabazz over someone like say, TJ warren because he can at least rebound and shoot 3s but I don't think he's anything more than a bench scorer. Very Michael Beasley to me.
So is the "banana boat" crew  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2017 1:40 pm : link
gonna come to Spree's and Ewing's defense now? I love Oak but maybe he does have some problems. By the way, he scheduled an autograph signing with Steiner Sports. What timing.
I don't see how ripping Sprewell is going to work  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/17/2017 1:42 pm : link
so, what, anyone who doesn't cry 'racism' or openly beat on Dolan is the enemy now?

The whole world was on your side already, Charles. You don't have to accept any apologies but why keep going with this?
I think it's safe to say  
Enzo : 2/17/2017 1:55 pm : link
there were reasons Oak was persona non grata at MSG that go beyond "Dolan is a moron".
Oakley can be a crazy person AND  
Heisenberg : 2/17/2017 2:04 pm : link
Dolan can be the worst. These are not mutually exclusive.
New Rookie of the Year favorite?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 2:13 pm : link
"I already love the guy Philly fans call The Homie. I get the reasons some are more skeptical. Saric's 3-point shooting stroke comes and goes. He's not the most athletic cat. It takes every ounce of speed in those legs to beat some power forwards off the bounce, which means he has little chance to blow by wings. It's unclear how he'll fit on either end alongside Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. When it all shakes out, Saric may be a high-end backup -- the sort who plays 25-plus minutes at multiple positions, filling every lineup hole.

I don't care. The guy plays with such fire. He's feisty on the boards, and on defense. He gets more done in tight spaces than it looks like he should be able to. One reason: He has a nasty left hand. It gives Saric more options for finishing spinny flip shots around the basket from strange angles. He can get the ball up on the glass before defenders expect it there. His game has a purposeful arrhythmic quality.

Being almost ambidextrous unlocks more passing lanes when Saric drives into a crowd. He doesn't have to switch hands, so he can sneak the ball through a teensy crevice before it closes.

This guy is skilled, and fun. Embiid has missed almost half of Philly's games now. Malcolm Brogdon has fallen off a bit. Is Saric going to be our Rookie of the Year?"

Also on Brandon Ingram:

""It has been a rough season for Ingram. He's shooting 36 percent, and just 30 percent on 3s. He hasn't cracked 20 points in a game yet. Most future franchise players don't start out this way. Some teenagers do, though. Check out Dirk Nowitzki's rookie numbers.

With that implausibly spindly body, Year 1 in the NBA was always going to be a tough. Good news: There are no outward signs that fear, panic, or insecurity have infected Ingram's game. He still plays with a calm confidence. He launches from deep when he's open, and dares to explore the possibilities of a pick-and-roll. He sees the floor well.

He hasn't cowered, or gone the opposite direction and pressed to justify his draft slot. He doesn't take bad shots, or rush into reckless drives ending in fancy no-look dishes. He just plays, and there is something refreshing in that for L.A. fans. Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."

Per Zach Lowe
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Paul George wants to play on a winning team.  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 2:18 pm : link
Won't commit to signing in Indiana. Trade coming soon? The teams that could trade for him wouldn't exactly qualify as winning teams, though.
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Danny  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 2:20 pm : link
Ainge must be licking his chops
Ingram is statistically  
Deej : 2/17/2017 2:24 pm : link
a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
RE: Ingram is statistically  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13364388 Deej said:
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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.


Lakers don't have a future franchise player on their roster right now. I see Ingram as Wesley Matthews/Otto Porter type.
RE: Ingram is statistically  
giants#1 : 2/17/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13364388 Deej said:
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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.


Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.
Tommy Dee is ridiculous  
Anakim : 2/17/2017 2:32 pm : link
He thinks that Phil could get Jaylen Brown or the Nets pick for...Kyle O' Quinn.
Seems fair to me,  
Keith : 2/17/2017 2:34 pm : link
lets do it.
RE: Tommy Dee is ridiculous  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13364400 Anakim said:
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He thinks that Phil could get Jaylen Brown or the Nets pick for...Kyle O' Quinn.


He also said KOQ would make Boston the #1 team in the East...

I'm not in tune with the NY sports reporters as some of here are, and I think this confirms that I'm not missing much.
Jesus  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 3:05 pm : link
if Marc Stein is correct the Pistons are basically going to give away Reggie Jackson to the Magic?
RE: RE: Ingram is statistically  
Deej : 2/17/2017 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13364398 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13364388 Deej said:


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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.



Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.


The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.
RE: Jesus  
Deej : 2/17/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13364443 DanMetroMan said:
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if Marc Stein is correct the Pistons are basically going to give away Reggie Jackson to the Magic?


Payback for Harris?

Sounds like they're scared of his knee.

RE: Jesus  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13364443 DanMetroMan said:
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if Marc Stein is correct the Pistons are basically going to give away Reggie Jackson to the Magic?


Jackson for Augustin?? I don't think Jackson is amazing but hes 26 and is still rusty coming off surgery. At least someone who showed flashes of being a good PG last year, still fairly young.
Jackson  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 3:19 pm : link
for Augustin and Jeff Green.
Tommy Dee  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 3:32 pm : link
Jaylen Brown for KOQ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂#Knicks

Says it would make the Celtics the #1 team in the East
If Boston got Hassan Whiteside  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 3:47 pm : link
I still don't know they'd get #1. I get love is out but I don't know how many more games they lose because of it over a 25 game stretch.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 3:48 pm : link
@BillSimmons managed to find a Noah trade I would pass on... Noah for Evan Turner #Knicks
RE: .  
Enzo : 2/17/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13364502 DanMetroMan said:
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@BillSimmons managed to find a Noah trade I would pass on... Noah for Evan Turner #Knicks

ha. I believe something close to this statement was made here on BBI back in November.
RE: RE: RE: Ingram is statistically  
giants#1 : 2/17/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13364455 Deej said:
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In comment 13364398 giants#1 said:


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In comment 13364388 Deej said:


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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.



Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.



The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.


Not really:

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Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ingram is statistically  
Deej : 2/17/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13364525 giants#1 said:
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The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.



Not really:



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Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."




The one I was referring to was. From the above:

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""It has been a rough season for Ingram. He's shooting 36 percent, and just 30 percent on 3s. He hasn't cracked 20 points in a game yet. Most future franchise players don't start out this way. Some teenagers do, though. Check out Dirk Nowitzki's rookie numbers.


My point was solely with respect to Lowe's most franchise players dont start this way remark. He pointed to Dirk, who was materially better than Ingram. I noted a bunch of guys who turned into good players like Houston, but none of them a franchise player.
So  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 5:20 pm : link
about Kyrie Irving..
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Irving sounds like an  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2017 5:46 pm : link
Idiot.
God damn it  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 5:51 pm : link
Kyrie...
He made the most of that Duke education, eh?  
Greg from LI : 2/17/2017 8:45 pm : link
Hahahahahahaha
Classic  
BigBlueShock : 2/17/2017 9:11 pm : link
This is the best quote from Kyrie..."There is no concrete information except for the information that they’re giving us."

Deep, deep stuff there.
Wilson  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 9:27 pm : link
Chandler tweeted he agrees with Irving
He must be joking  
Eli Wilson : 2/17/2017 9:28 pm : link
Right?
RE: Wilson  
BigBlueShock : 2/17/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13364700 DanMetroMan said:
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Chandler tweeted he agrees with Irving

Of course he does.
someone should go into space and take a bunch  
Deej : 2/17/2017 9:51 pm : link
of pictures of the earth from different angles, and then we can all look and decide this flat/round thing once and for all.
RE: someone should go into space and take a bunch  
BigBlueShock : 2/17/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13364712 Deej said:
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of pictures of the earth from different angles, and then we can all look and decide this flat/round thing once and for all.

Well apparently, that's not enough for some. They must all be fake. They're trying to trick us, damn it! I'm not sure why, but they are!
Reminds me of William Hayes on hard knocks.  
Keith : 2/17/2017 10:25 pm : link
Doesn't believe in dinosaurs and believes that mermaids are real.

I guess some people are so physically gifted that they didn't need to do have a clue.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/18/2017 9:30 am : link
In fact, one NBA source The Post, “I don’t think Derrick is helping Porzingis’s growth, with his head down going to the basket, not really looking for him.’’

Indeed, Porzingis would like a better feel for Rose’s game.

“We’re still trying to find that connection between us, where we know exactly where the guy’s going to be,’’ Porzingis said before the World squad beat the U.S., 150-141, on Friday in the Rising Stars Challenge. Porzingis scored 24 points and grabbed 10 rebounds in 33 minutes. “I’ve been trying to roll to the basket more. That’s another adjustment for the guards. I’m not always at the 3-point line. We have to get a really good feel for each other. That doesn’t happen overnight. We’re still trying to work on that.’’
There's no doubt.  
Keith : 2/18/2017 10:21 am : link
Rose needs to be on a team like the old Bulls teams where he was the offense and everyone else played defense and did the little things. He can't be on a team with 2 other guys that can score, especially when one of the 2 is like Rose and can't do much else besides score.
Watching D Smith against Notre Dame  
Carl in CT : 2/18/2017 12:22 pm : link
Yes it's only my second time watching live live. National Game and he is an extremely lazy player who plays no D. Pass big time. Even his demeanor is poor. Am I missing something?
RE: Watching D Smith against Notre Dame  
giantsfan44ab : 2/18/2017 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13364919 Carl in CT said:
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Yes it's only my second time watching live live. National Game and he is an extremely lazy player who plays no D. Pass big time. Even his demeanor is poor. Am I missing something?


Crap team, coach just got fired.
RE: Watching D Smith against Notre Dame  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/18/2017 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13364919 Carl in CT said:
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Yes it's only my second time watching live live. National Game and he is an extremely lazy player who plays no D. Pass big time. Even his demeanor is poor. Am I missing something?


The administration just flushed the season down the toilet. Guys who get paid millions don't look great in those types of spots... I wouldn't expect a bunch of teenagers to. He's a really talented player.
Porzingus just won the Skills Competition!!  
DennyInDenville : 2/18/2017 8:36 pm : link
Love him
I'll take it.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/18/2017 8:54 pm : link
The Kenny Walker  
B in ALB : 2/18/2017 9:06 pm : link
Slam Dunk Champion banner is pretty sweet too.
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