playing some with the starters at the 1 and 2, but mostly being the offense with the 2nd unit. There are a limited # of guys who can create their own shot, and he is absolutely one of them. Each good team needs 2-3 of these players. It's why warts and all J.R. Smith is a good player.
but let's be clear that we're not interested in taking back onerous contracts on bad players. That is the Knick way so its always a concern when they have $ to spend and/or expiring contracts to deal. In short, they can't be trusted.
but let's be clear that we're not interested in taking back onerous contracts on bad players. That is the Knick way so its always a concern when they have $ to spend and/or expiring contracts to deal. In short, they can't be trusted.
No, we are interested in bad contracts if the asset is good enough. That's what rebuilding teams do -- use their cap as an asset to rent out to other teams (for a price).
The Knicks way is to trade their future assets for faded names.
I honestly am surprised that Rose really didn't make this team better
but let's be clear that we're not interested in taking back onerous contracts on bad players. That is the Knick way so its always a concern when they have $ to spend and/or expiring contracts to deal. In short, they can't be trusted.
Depends. As we've all discussed before, if we can move melo or if we decide to rebuild through the draft(an obvious direction considering), we can take back a bad contract if we get a pick to do it.
don't want any of our "assets" (ones we would actually move) back next year outside of KOQ (I'd deal him but I wouldn't give him away). I'd give away Jennings or Rose for 2nd's if need be. Obviously would prefer more.
he still can flash the offense, but it's inconsistent, he hasn't facilitated well, and his defense has been nonexistent.
I don't know how much of the defense part is on his effort/skills, and how much is on Hornacek, and how much is on this being an embarrassment of an organization, but the future isn't with Rose.
and they'd need to add an asset for me to take Rubio.
runio shabazz and a pick and i would do it..
rubio is still only 24 and he is really good friends with willy and other than melo the ball could be in his hands to run the offense, something he cant do in minnesota
a bad defender (combination of white guy and Euro syndrome). He's actually a very good defender. He's got two major weaknesses. 1) injury prone 2) subpar perimeter shooter
and prob fits better considering we have guys that can score. He's a terrible scorer, but good at getting others involved. Some thing he's a good defender, some thinks he sucks. Doesn't matter, anyone would suck being put on this team.
is his expiring contract, don't want to see the past mistakes of taking on bad contracts, let him go at end of season and leave cap room.
as a rebuilding team you take on a bad contract to get draft picks, this team will not be rebuilt theough free agency, cap room means very little right now..
so if a team is willing to package a 1st with a bad contract you do it..
room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Howard Beck: Are the Nets going to get two (first-round picks) for Brook Lopez? No. This person I spoke to said he didnt even think they could get one.
They could def get a first, probably not a good first.
only has 1 year left. Gotta believe someone would pretty easily give up a 1st for him. Too bad Gortat is a bad fit at the 4. Washington with some interior scoring (Lopez) could be dangerous.
for bigs that cant rebound and aren't plus defenders.
Understood but Channing Frye brought back a 1st, plenty of players significantly worse than Lopez have brought back 1sts. It's not like he has a bad deal.
Howard Beck: Are the Nets going to get two (first-round picks) for Brook Lopez? No. This person I spoke to said he didnt even think they could get one.
They could def get a first, probably not a good first.
Anyone who talks in broad terms like a first or two firsts doesnt know what they're talking about. Philly's first doesnt equal Milw's first doesnt equal GSW's first.
Sports writers I think are very bad at valuing potential trade targets. Most sportswriters are actually bad at figuring out what is going on on the court, because you dont need to write about WHY a PnR killed a team one night. You just have to say "they couldnt stop X from getting to the lane". And quote players/coaches. So when it comes to stuff like trades and the draft, where there is active disinformation out there, they get made the fool.
room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Off the top of my head, Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe were actively, publicly targeted the summer we signed Rolo.
room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Off the top of my head, Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe were actively, publicly targeted the summer we signed Rolo.
We never pursued Aldridge. We never gave Monroe a max offer. Michael Jordan has been retired for a while now.
room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Off the top of my head, Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe were actively, publicly targeted the summer we signed Rolo.
We never pursued Aldridge. We never gave Monroe a max offer. Michael Jordan has been retired for a while now.
and Jennings chose to sign here at a steep discount despite multiple teams offering him deals.
room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Off the top of my head, Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe were actively, publicly targeted the summer we signed Rolo.
We never pursued Aldridge. We never gave Monroe a max offer. Michael Jordan has been retired for a while now.
Howard Beck: Are the Nets going to get two (first-round picks) for Brook Lopez? No. This person I spoke to said he didnt even think they could get one.
They could def get a first, probably not a good first.
Anyone who talks in broad terms like a first or two firsts doesnt know what they're talking about. Philly's first doesnt equal Milw's first doesnt equal GSW's first.
Sports writers I think are very bad at valuing potential trade targets. Most sportswriters are actually bad at figuring out what is going on on the court, because you dont need to write about WHY a PnR killed a team one night. You just have to say "they couldnt stop X from getting to the lane". And quote players/coaches. So when it comes to stuff like trades and the draft, where there is active disinformation out there, they get made the fool.
It wasn't a sports writer, it was an executive telling howard beck this.
It wasn't a sports writer, it was an executive telling howard beck this.
Execs lie when it comes to the draft and trades. Even when they have no dog in the fight, they still have no dog in the fight.
Say you dont want Lopez, but you dont want a rival to get Lopez. What you do is publicly talk up or talk down his value. Then there is a disconnect between what is fair value and what the public thinks is fair value. Then to get a trade, one GM will have to overpay/under-receive in the public's eye.
Moreover, these assessments often confuse what that GM would do for what other GMs should do. And an executive could be any of 500+ people around the league.
the mechanics of an NBA trade can get so complicated...
so making a definitive statement about a guy's worth can be difficult. It's not like MLB where if you're trading an ace pitcher, you can expect to receive 4-5 prospects of various abilities or whatever and you don't have to worry about cap rules. In the the case of Lopez, it's not like he has the type of game where you can just plug and play him into any lineup. But in the right scenario (maybe anchoring a contender's second unit), he would have a ton of value. But said contender would need to have the pieces on hand to deal for him without disrupting their existing core.
I think Bargnani had the lowest BBIQ I've ever seen
to be effective. He's strictly a scorer and he's a good one. You put him on a team where he needs to step back and be a lesser part of the offense and he's awful because he does nothing else well. He looks really good on a bad team because he is the offense. I would not give up anything of value for him if I want to be a good team and I would not be concerned at all if Lopez went to a rival.
RE: I think Bargnani had the lowest BBIQ I've ever seen
only has 1 year left. Gotta believe someone would pretty easily give up a 1st for him. Too bad Gortat is a bad fit at the 4. Washington with some interior scoring (Lopez) could be dangerous.
They could just move gortat to the bench. Lopez is light years better
I understand the skills he brings to the table. I just don't see teams getting scared that a rival would get Lopez. Maybe he's an upgrade over Amir Johnson in Boston, but still can't see 2 high firsts. I think it's much more likely they get a package of unwanted-soon-to-be RFAs (think Mirotic, Olynyk, etc.) and a late first or something.
Damn, Oak taking shots at Patrick and Spree now (F Spree) but Pat?
saw this tweet the other day and I think it applies:
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Seeing notes from Oakley SI radio interview. Appears he went scorched earth on Dolan, NBA. Should be careful not to lose unloseable PR war.
on a 49 win team in 2012-13 with 2 ball dominant players.
this idea he only scores because its a bad team is incorrect. efficient scorer, and can now shoot 3s.
good interior presence on defense (8 blocks vs. the bucks the other night)... poor pick n roll defender.... not a good rebounder.
he is like Rik Smits. He is better then Gortat- and should get a first. no team will trade 2 firsts however and i dont blame them. as someone smartly mentioned also, all firsts arent created equal.
Probably Minnesota. They have a lot of bad big men contracts. Pekovic is probably one of their better ones, he only has like a year left I believe. They have like $40M committed to Pek, Dieng, Hill and Aldrich and none of those guys are starters.
I cant respect Sprewell. These guys were flown in town to make him look good. I cant respect those guys no more and even longtime running mate Patrick Ewing.
Any time for Patrick [Ewing] to speak up, you think this would be it he was my closest teammate who played with me, Oakley told The Undefeated.
is a decent scorer. While he is a poor pure shooter, he's one of those guys where the whole building knows he is going left, but he gets there anyway. Very strong player. But besides some bench scoring, he generally doesn't provide any other value.
someone sell me on Muhammad? I mean I guess he's better than nothing but is he not Derrick Williams 2.0?
I don't think Minnesota can sell anyone on him. They're attaching him to Rubio to get takers but no one seems to be interested.
I'd take Shabazz over someone like say, TJ warren because he can at least rebound and shoot 3s but I don't think he's anything more than a bench scorer. Very Michael Beasley to me.
gonna come to Spree's and Ewing's defense now? I love Oak but maybe he does have some problems. By the way, he scheduled an autograph signing with Steiner Sports. What timing.
"I already love the guy Philly fans call The Homie. I get the reasons some are more skeptical. Saric's 3-point shooting stroke comes and goes. He's not the most athletic cat. It takes every ounce of speed in those legs to beat some power forwards off the bounce, which means he has little chance to blow by wings. It's unclear how he'll fit on either end alongside Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. When it all shakes out, Saric may be a high-end backup -- the sort who plays 25-plus minutes at multiple positions, filling every lineup hole.
I don't care. The guy plays with such fire. He's feisty on the boards, and on defense. He gets more done in tight spaces than it looks like he should be able to. One reason: He has a nasty left hand. It gives Saric more options for finishing spinny flip shots around the basket from strange angles. He can get the ball up on the glass before defenders expect it there. His game has a purposeful arrhythmic quality.
Being almost ambidextrous unlocks more passing lanes when Saric drives into a crowd. He doesn't have to switch hands, so he can sneak the ball through a teensy crevice before it closes.
This guy is skilled, and fun. Embiid has missed almost half of Philly's games now. Malcolm Brogdon has fallen off a bit. Is Saric going to be our Rookie of the Year?"
Also on Brandon Ingram:
""It has been a rough season for Ingram. He's shooting 36 percent, and just 30 percent on 3s. He hasn't cracked 20 points in a game yet. Most future franchise players don't start out this way. Some teenagers do, though. Check out Dirk Nowitzki's rookie numbers.
With that implausibly spindly body, Year 1 in the NBA was always going to be a tough. Good news: There are no outward signs that fear, panic, or insecurity have infected Ingram's game. He still plays with a calm confidence. He launches from deep when he's open, and dares to explore the possibilities of a pick-and-roll. He sees the floor well.
He hasn't cowered, or gone the opposite direction and pressed to justify his draft slot. He doesn't take bad shots, or rush into reckless drives ending in fancy no-look dishes. He just plays, and there is something refreshing in that for L.A. fans. Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."
Won't commit to signing in Indiana. Trade coming soon? The teams that could trade for him wouldn't exactly qualify as winning teams, though. Link - ( New Window )
a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Lakers don't have a future franchise player on their roster right now. I see Ingram as Wesley Matthews/Otto Porter type.
a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.
a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.
The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.
if Marc Stein is correct the Pistons are basically going to give away Reggie Jackson to the Magic?
Jackson for Augustin?? I don't think Jackson is amazing but hes 26 and is still rusty coming off surgery. At least someone who showed flashes of being a good PG last year, still fairly young.
a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.
The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.
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Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."
The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.
Not really:
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Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."
The one I was referring to was. From the above:
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""It has been a rough season for Ingram. He's shooting 36 percent, and just 30 percent on 3s. He hasn't cracked 20 points in a game yet. Most future franchise players don't start out this way. Some teenagers do, though. Check out Dirk Nowitzki's rookie numbers.
My point was solely with respect to Lowe's most franchise players dont start this way remark. He pointed to Dirk, who was materially better than Ingram. I noted a bunch of guys who turned into good players like Houston, but none of them a franchise player.
In fact, one NBA source The Post, I dont think Derrick is helping Porzingiss growth, with his head down going to the basket, not really looking for him.
Indeed, Porzingis would like a better feel for Roses game.
Were still trying to find that connection between us, where we know exactly where the guys going to be, Porzingis said before the World squad beat the U.S., 150-141, on Friday in the Rising Stars Challenge. Porzingis scored 24 points and grabbed 10 rebounds in 33 minutes. Ive been trying to roll to the basket more. Thats another adjustment for the guards. Im not always at the 3-point line. We have to get a really good feel for each other. That doesnt happen overnight. Were still trying to work on that.
Rose needs to be on a team like the old Bulls teams where he was the offense and everyone else played defense and did the little things. He can't be on a team with 2 other guys that can score, especially when one of the 2 is like Rose and can't do much else besides score.
Yes it's only my second time watching live live. National Game and he is an extremely lazy player who plays no D. Pass big time. Even his demeanor is poor. Am I missing something?
Yes it's only my second time watching live live. National Game and he is an extremely lazy player who plays no D. Pass big time. Even his demeanor is poor. Am I missing something?
Yes it's only my second time watching live live. National Game and he is an extremely lazy player who plays no D. Pass big time. Even his demeanor is poor. Am I missing something?
The administration just flushed the season down the toilet. Guys who get paid millions don't look great in those types of spots... I wouldn't expect a bunch of teenagers to. He's a really talented player.
No, we are interested in bad contracts if the asset is good enough. That's what rebuilding teams do -- use their cap as an asset to rent out to other teams (for a price).
The Knicks way is to trade their future assets for faded names.
I figured he would IF he was healthy, and for the most part he has been, but he's even less of a passer than I thought he was.
Depends. As we've all discussed before, if we can move melo or if we decide to rebuild through the draft(an obvious direction considering), we can take back a bad contract if we get a pick to do it.
100%. Don't want him back next year so gimme some sort of asset and I'm good.
Trade them both and we'll struggle to win more than a handful of games. Which is fine.
I don't know how much of the defense part is on his effort/skills, and how much is on Hornacek, and how much is on this being an embarrassment of an organization, but the future isn't with Rose.
Might as well collect assets.
Heat - for a package centered on Dragic (if Miami wants to get out of that committment)
Wolves - for Rubio plus cap filler
Suns - for Knight + Warren + 2017 # 2
runio shabazz and a pick and i would do it..
rubio is still only 24 and he is really good friends with willy and other than melo the ball could be in his hands to run the offense, something he cant do in minnesota
Since Rose makes $8mm more than Rubio, you need another 8mm on salary from Minny.
Minnesota is under cap
Disagree there (and I say that as someone 100% against bringing back Rose). But on the right team as a scorer off the bench he absolutely has value.
as a rebuilding team you take on a bad contract to get draft picks, this team will not be rebuilt theough free agency, cap room means very little right now..
so if a team is willing to package a 1st with a bad contract you do it..
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
They could def get a first, probably not a good first.
Understood but Channing Frye brought back a 1st, plenty of players significantly worse than Lopez have brought back 1sts. It's not like he has a bad deal.
And yet the Knicks traded a first round pick for Bargnani
They could def get a first, probably not a good first.
Anyone who talks in broad terms like a first or two firsts doesnt know what they're talking about. Philly's first doesnt equal Milw's first doesnt equal GSW's first.
Sports writers I think are very bad at valuing potential trade targets. Most sportswriters are actually bad at figuring out what is going on on the court, because you dont need to write about WHY a PnR killed a team one night. You just have to say "they couldnt stop X from getting to the lane". And quote players/coaches. So when it comes to stuff like trades and the draft, where there is active disinformation out there, they get made the fool.
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for bigs that cant rebound and aren't plus defenders.
And yet the Knicks traded a first round pick for Bargnani
A 1 and two 2s. Get it right.
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room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Off the top of my head, Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe were actively, publicly targeted the summer we signed Rolo.
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room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Off the top of my head, Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe were actively, publicly targeted the summer we signed Rolo.
We never pursued Aldridge. We never gave Monroe a max offer. Michael Jordan has been retired for a while now.
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room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Off the top of my head, Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe were actively, publicly targeted the summer we signed Rolo.
We never pursued Aldridge. We never gave Monroe a max offer. Michael Jordan has been retired for a while now.
and Jennings chose to sign here at a steep discount despite multiple teams offering him deals.
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room is that a) with the increased "madness" surrounding the NYK, you wonder about FAs coming here b) Phil doesn't show any ability to score FAs that are "in demand"
So they may be resigned to filling next years PG position via trade (be it Rubio or others mentioned in this thread) and hopefully backed up but a top 5 draft pick with the top of the lottery being so loaded with PGs
Explain that first statement? What FA did we target that Phil missed out on?
Off the top of my head, Aldridge, Jordan, and Monroe were actively, publicly targeted the summer we signed Rolo.
We never pursued Aldridge. We never gave Monroe a max offer. Michael Jordan has been retired for a while now.
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Howard Beck: Are the Nets going to get two (first-round picks) for Brook Lopez? No. This person I spoke to said he didnt even think they could get one.
They could def get a first, probably not a good first.
Anyone who talks in broad terms like a first or two firsts doesnt know what they're talking about. Philly's first doesnt equal Milw's first doesnt equal GSW's first.
Sports writers I think are very bad at valuing potential trade targets. Most sportswriters are actually bad at figuring out what is going on on the court, because you dont need to write about WHY a PnR killed a team one night. You just have to say "they couldnt stop X from getting to the lane". And quote players/coaches. So when it comes to stuff like trades and the draft, where there is active disinformation out there, they get made the fool.
It wasn't a sports writer, it was an executive telling howard beck this.
It wasn't a sports writer, it was an executive telling howard beck this.
Execs lie when it comes to the draft and trades. Even when they have no dog in the fight, they still have no dog in the fight.
Say you dont want Lopez, but you dont want a rival to get Lopez. What you do is publicly talk up or talk down his value. Then there is a disconnect between what is fair value and what the public thinks is fair value. Then to get a trade, one GM will have to overpay/under-receive in the public's eye.
Moreover, these assessments often confuse what that GM would do for what other GMs should do. And an executive could be any of 500+ people around the league.
I think he simply didn't care.
They could just move gortat to the bench. Lopez is light years better
Curious to see who is interested in Rose. Given his contract, mechanically he is hard to trade for.
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Seeing notes from Oakley SI radio interview. Appears he went scorched earth on Dolan, NBA. Should be careful not to lose unloseable PR war.
Who says no?
this idea he only scores because its a bad team is incorrect. efficient scorer, and can now shoot 3s.
good interior presence on defense (8 blocks vs. the bucks the other night)... poor pick n roll defender.... not a good rebounder.
he is like Rik Smits. He is better then Gortat- and should get a first. no team will trade 2 firsts however and i dont blame them. as someone smartly mentioned also, all firsts arent created equal.
Who says no?
Probably Minnesota. They have a lot of bad big men contracts. Pekovic is probably one of their better ones, he only has like a year left I believe. They have like $40M committed to Pek, Dieng, Hill and Aldrich and none of those guys are starters.
I cant respect Sprewell. These guys were flown in town to make him look good. I cant respect those guys no more and even longtime running mate Patrick Ewing.
Any time for Patrick [Ewing] to speak up, you think this would be it he was my closest teammate who played with me, Oakley told The Undefeated.
I don't think Minnesota can sell anyone on him. They're attaching him to Rubio to get takers but no one seems to be interested.
I'd take Shabazz over someone like say, TJ warren because he can at least rebound and shoot 3s but I don't think he's anything more than a bench scorer. Very Michael Beasley to me.
The whole world was on your side already, Charles. You don't have to accept any apologies but why keep going with this?
I don't care. The guy plays with such fire. He's feisty on the boards, and on defense. He gets more done in tight spaces than it looks like he should be able to. One reason: He has a nasty left hand. It gives Saric more options for finishing spinny flip shots around the basket from strange angles. He can get the ball up on the glass before defenders expect it there. His game has a purposeful arrhythmic quality.
Being almost ambidextrous unlocks more passing lanes when Saric drives into a crowd. He doesn't have to switch hands, so he can sneak the ball through a teensy crevice before it closes.
This guy is skilled, and fun. Embiid has missed almost half of Philly's games now. Malcolm Brogdon has fallen off a bit. Is Saric going to be our Rookie of the Year?"
Also on Brandon Ingram:
""It has been a rough season for Ingram. He's shooting 36 percent, and just 30 percent on 3s. He hasn't cracked 20 points in a game yet. Most future franchise players don't start out this way. Some teenagers do, though. Check out Dirk Nowitzki's rookie numbers.
With that implausibly spindly body, Year 1 in the NBA was always going to be a tough. Good news: There are no outward signs that fear, panic, or insecurity have infected Ingram's game. He still plays with a calm confidence. He launches from deep when he's open, and dares to explore the possibilities of a pick-and-roll. He sees the floor well.
He hasn't cowered, or gone the opposite direction and pressed to justify his draft slot. He doesn't take bad shots, or rush into reckless drives ending in fancy no-look dishes. He just plays, and there is something refreshing in that for L.A. fans. Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."
Per Zach Lowe
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Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Lakers don't have a future franchise player on their roster right now. I see Ingram as Wesley Matthews/Otto Porter type.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.
He also said KOQ would make Boston the #1 team in the East...
I'm not in tune with the NY sports reporters as some of here are, and I think this confirms that I'm not missing much.
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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.
The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.
Payback for Harris?
Sounds like they're scared of his knee.
Jackson for Augustin?? I don't think Jackson is amazing but hes 26 and is still rusty coming off surgery. At least someone who showed flashes of being a good PG last year, still fairly young.
Says it would make the Celtics the #1 team in the East
ha. I believe something close to this statement was made here on BBI back in November.
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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.
Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.
The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.
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The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.
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Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."
The one I was referring to was. From the above:
My point was solely with respect to Lowe's most franchise players dont start this way remark. He pointed to Dirk, who was materially better than Ingram. I noted a bunch of guys who turned into good players like Houston, but none of them a franchise player.
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Deep, deep stuff there.
Of course he does.
Well apparently, that's not enough for some. They must all be fake. They're trying to trick us, damn it! I'm not sure why, but they are!
I guess some people are so physically gifted that they didn't need to do have a clue.
Indeed, Porzingis would like a better feel for Roses game.
Were still trying to find that connection between us, where we know exactly where the guys going to be, Porzingis said before the World squad beat the U.S., 150-141, on Friday in the Rising Stars Challenge. Porzingis scored 24 points and grabbed 10 rebounds in 33 minutes. Ive been trying to roll to the basket more. Thats another adjustment for the guards. Im not always at the 3-point line. We have to get a really good feel for each other. That doesnt happen overnight. Were still trying to work on that.
Crap team, coach just got fired.
The administration just flushed the season down the toilet. Guys who get paid millions don't look great in those types of spots... I wouldn't expect a bunch of teenagers to. He's a really talented player.