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NFT: Knicks Chat: "Multiple" teams interested in Rose

DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 7:15 am
-That per Begley

- Hawks looking to be buyers, have a bunch of extra picks (not really clear what they are looking for?)

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I think Bargnani had the lowest BBIQ I've ever seen  
Greg from LI : 2/17/2017 10:41 am : link
Just a dumb, dumb player.
Lopez requires the ball in his hands  
Keith : 2/17/2017 10:42 am : link
to be effective. He's strictly a scorer and he's a good one. You put him on a team where he needs to step back and be a lesser part of the offense and he's awful because he does nothing else well. He looks really good on a bad team because he is the offense. I would not give up anything of value for him if I want to be a good team and I would not be concerned at all if Lopez went to a rival.
RE: I think Bargnani had the lowest BBIQ I've ever seen  
Enzo : 2/17/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13364133 Greg from LI said:
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Just a dumb, dumb player.

I think he simply didn't care.
When I say Lopez is a good scorer  
Keith : 2/17/2017 10:47 am : link
its because he can score in multiple ways. That being said, he's not the kind of guy that could carry an offense, like Melo in his prime.
RE: Lopez  
Old Dirty Beckham : 2/17/2017 10:48 am : link
In comment 13364028 DanMetroMan said:
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only has 1 year left. Gotta believe someone would pretty easily give up a 1st for him. Too bad Gortat is a bad fit at the 4. Washington with some interior scoring (Lopez) could be dangerous.


They could just move gortat to the bench. Lopez is light years better
light years better as a scorer, perhaps  
Greg from LI : 2/17/2017 10:53 am : link
Gortat is light years better defensively and on the boards
Benching  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 10:53 am : link
Gortat for Lopez makes them worse. Gortat is the defensive anchor and does the dirty work. Guy is averaging 11 rebounds per game.
Not a brook Lopez hater  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 12:11 pm : link
I understand the skills he brings to the table. I just don't see teams getting scared that a rival would get Lopez. Maybe he's an upgrade over Amir Johnson in Boston, but still can't see 2 high firsts. I think it's much more likely they get a package of unwanted-soon-to-be RFAs (think Mirotic, Olynyk, etc.) and a late first or something.
Wiz have terrible depth  
Deej : 2/17/2017 12:38 pm : link
Lopez on the 2nd unit would go a long way for them.

Curious to see who is interested in Rose. Given his contract, mechanically he is hard to trade for.
Hahn said the other day  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2017 12:43 pm : link
that Minnesota is the only team he's heard with interest in Rose. I'd pay to listen in on a trade negotiation between Layden and Phil/Mills.
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DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 12:47 pm : link
Damn, Oak taking shots at Patrick and Spree now (F Spree) but Pat?
Ive heard some pretty  
Jon in NYC : 2/17/2017 12:49 pm : link
shitty things about Pat behind the scenes
RE: .  
Enzo : 2/17/2017 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13364285 DanMetroMan said:
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Damn, Oak taking shots at Patrick and Spree now (F Spree) but Pat?

saw this tweet the other day and I think it applies:

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Brian Mahoney ‏@briancmahoney 22h22 hours ago
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Seeing notes from Oakley SI radio interview. Appears he went scorched earth on Dolan, NBA. Should be careful not to lose unloseable PR war.
Pekovic and Rubio  
Jon in NYC : 2/17/2017 12:52 pm : link
for Noah and Rose.

Who says no?
the guy averaged 19 7 and 2  
hitdog42 : 2/17/2017 12:53 pm : link
on a 49 win team in 2012-13 with 2 ball dominant players.
this idea he only scores because its a bad team is incorrect. efficient scorer, and can now shoot 3s.
good interior presence on defense (8 blocks vs. the bucks the other night)... poor pick n roll defender.... not a good rebounder.

he is like Rik Smits. He is better then Gortat- and should get a first. no team will trade 2 firsts however and i dont blame them. as someone smartly mentioned also, all firsts arent created equal.
RE: Pekovic and Rubio  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13364293 Jon in NYC said:
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for Noah and Rose.

Who says no?


Probably Minnesota. They have a lot of bad big men contracts. Pekovic is probably one of their better ones, he only has like a year left I believe. They have like $40M committed to Pek, Dieng, Hill and Aldrich and none of those guys are starters.
Can  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 1:26 pm : link
someone sell me on Muhammad? I mean I guess he's better than nothing but is he not Derrick Williams 2.0?
what did he say about Patrick?  
Greg from LI : 2/17/2017 1:28 pm : link
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RE: what did he say about Patrick?  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13364332 Greg from LI said:
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I cant respect Sprewell. These guys were flown in town to make him look good. I cant respect those guys no more and even longtime running mate Patrick Ewing.

Any time for Patrick [Ewing] to speak up, you think this would be it he was my closest teammate who played with me, Oakley told The Undefeated.
Muhammed  
JOMO25 : 2/17/2017 1:37 pm : link
is a decent scorer. While he is a poor pure shooter, he's one of those guys where the whole building knows he is going left, but he gets there anyway. Very strong player. But besides some bench scoring, he generally doesn't provide any other value.
RE: Can  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13364329 DanMetroMan said:
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someone sell me on Muhammad? I mean I guess he's better than nothing but is he not Derrick Williams 2.0?


I don't think Minnesota can sell anyone on him. They're attaching him to Rubio to get takers but no one seems to be interested.

I'd take Shabazz over someone like say, TJ warren because he can at least rebound and shoot 3s but I don't think he's anything more than a bench scorer. Very Michael Beasley to me.
So is the "banana boat" crew  
bceagle05 : 2/17/2017 1:40 pm : link
gonna come to Spree's and Ewing's defense now? I love Oak but maybe he does have some problems. By the way, he scheduled an autograph signing with Steiner Sports. What timing.
I don't see how ripping Sprewell is going to work  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/17/2017 1:42 pm : link
so, what, anyone who doesn't cry 'racism' or openly beat on Dolan is the enemy now?

The whole world was on your side already, Charles. You don't have to accept any apologies but why keep going with this?
I think it's safe to say  
Enzo : 2/17/2017 1:55 pm : link
there were reasons Oak was persona non grata at MSG that go beyond "Dolan is a moron".
Oakley can be a crazy person AND  
Heisenberg : 2/17/2017 2:04 pm : link
Dolan can be the worst. These are not mutually exclusive.
New Rookie of the Year favorite?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 2:13 pm : link
"I already love the guy Philly fans call The Homie. I get the reasons some are more skeptical. Saric's 3-point shooting stroke comes and goes. He's not the most athletic cat. It takes every ounce of speed in those legs to beat some power forwards off the bounce, which means he has little chance to blow by wings. It's unclear how he'll fit on either end alongside Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. When it all shakes out, Saric may be a high-end backup -- the sort who plays 25-plus minutes at multiple positions, filling every lineup hole.

I don't care. The guy plays with such fire. He's feisty on the boards, and on defense. He gets more done in tight spaces than it looks like he should be able to. One reason: He has a nasty left hand. It gives Saric more options for finishing spinny flip shots around the basket from strange angles. He can get the ball up on the glass before defenders expect it there. His game has a purposeful arrhythmic quality.

Being almost ambidextrous unlocks more passing lanes when Saric drives into a crowd. He doesn't have to switch hands, so he can sneak the ball through a teensy crevice before it closes.

This guy is skilled, and fun. Embiid has missed almost half of Philly's games now. Malcolm Brogdon has fallen off a bit. Is Saric going to be our Rookie of the Year?"

Also on Brandon Ingram:

""It has been a rough season for Ingram. He's shooting 36 percent, and just 30 percent on 3s. He hasn't cracked 20 points in a game yet. Most future franchise players don't start out this way. Some teenagers do, though. Check out Dirk Nowitzki's rookie numbers.

With that implausibly spindly body, Year 1 in the NBA was always going to be a tough. Good news: There are no outward signs that fear, panic, or insecurity have infected Ingram's game. He still plays with a calm confidence. He launches from deep when he's open, and dares to explore the possibilities of a pick-and-roll. He sees the floor well.

He hasn't cowered, or gone the opposite direction and pressed to justify his draft slot. He doesn't take bad shots, or rush into reckless drives ending in fancy no-look dishes. He just plays, and there is something refreshing in that for L.A. fans. Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."

Per Zach Lowe
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Paul George wants to play on a winning team.  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 2:18 pm : link
Won't commit to signing in Indiana. Trade coming soon? The teams that could trade for him wouldn't exactly qualify as winning teams, though.
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Danny  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 2:20 pm : link
Ainge must be licking his chops
Ingram is statistically  
Deej : 2/17/2017 2:24 pm : link
a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.
RE: Ingram is statistically  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13364388 Deej said:
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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.


Lakers don't have a future franchise player on their roster right now. I see Ingram as Wesley Matthews/Otto Porter type.
RE: Ingram is statistically  
giants#1 : 2/17/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13364388 Deej said:
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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.


Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.
Tommy Dee is ridiculous  
Anakim : 2/17/2017 2:32 pm : link
He thinks that Phil could get Jaylen Brown or the Nets pick for...Kyle O' Quinn.
Seems fair to me,  
Keith : 2/17/2017 2:34 pm : link
lets do it.
RE: Tommy Dee is ridiculous  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13364400 Anakim said:
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He thinks that Phil could get Jaylen Brown or the Nets pick for...Kyle O' Quinn.


He also said KOQ would make Boston the #1 team in the East...

I'm not in tune with the NY sports reporters as some of here are, and I think this confirms that I'm not missing much.
Jesus  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 3:05 pm : link
if Marc Stein is correct the Pistons are basically going to give away Reggie Jackson to the Magic?
RE: RE: Ingram is statistically  
Deej : 2/17/2017 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13364398 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13364388 Deej said:


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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.



Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.


The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.
RE: Jesus  
Deej : 2/17/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13364443 DanMetroMan said:
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if Marc Stein is correct the Pistons are basically going to give away Reggie Jackson to the Magic?


Payback for Harris?

Sounds like they're scared of his knee.

RE: Jesus  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13364443 DanMetroMan said:
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if Marc Stein is correct the Pistons are basically going to give away Reggie Jackson to the Magic?


Jackson for Augustin?? I don't think Jackson is amazing but hes 26 and is still rusty coming off surgery. At least someone who showed flashes of being a good PG last year, still fairly young.
Jackson  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 3:19 pm : link
for Augustin and Jeff Green.
Tommy Dee  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 3:32 pm : link
Jaylen Brown for KOQ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂#Knicks

Says it would make the Celtics the #1 team in the East
If Boston got Hassan Whiteside  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 3:47 pm : link
I still don't know they'd get #1. I get love is out but I don't know how many more games they lose because of it over a 25 game stretch.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 3:48 pm : link
@BillSimmons managed to find a Noah trade I would pass on... Noah for Evan Turner #Knicks
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Enzo : 2/17/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13364502 DanMetroMan said:
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@BillSimmons managed to find a Noah trade I would pass on... Noah for Evan Turner #Knicks

ha. I believe something close to this statement was made here on BBI back in November.
RE: RE: RE: Ingram is statistically  
giants#1 : 2/17/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13364455 Deej said:
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In comment 13364398 giants#1 said:


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In comment 13364388 Deej said:


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a lot worse than Dirk was as a rookie. Grasping at straws to find a comp of a kid drafted that high going from what he is doing to stardom.

Link below is to WS48 (my favorite advanced stat) for rookies 1500+ minutes, worst to best. Ingram is #14, at -.014. Worst franchise players I see are Boogie (.022), Greek Freak (.031), Russ (.035), Karl Malone (.036), Durant (.040). Of the guys to start with negative rookie WS48s, best players I saw were Allan Houston, Abdul Rauf, Lavine, Seikaly.



Houston would certainly qualify as a "good player for a long time". Obviously with the #2 pick you hope for stardom, but getting Allan Houston wouldn't be the worst thing. Far better than the next Milicic.



The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.


Not really:

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Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ingram is statistically  
Deej : 2/17/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13364525 giants#1 said:
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The Zach Lowe quote was about " future franchise players" and Houston was not that.



Not really:



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Ingram may never be a star, but he should be a good player for a long time."




The one I was referring to was. From the above:

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""It has been a rough season for Ingram. He's shooting 36 percent, and just 30 percent on 3s. He hasn't cracked 20 points in a game yet. Most future franchise players don't start out this way. Some teenagers do, though. Check out Dirk Nowitzki's rookie numbers.


My point was solely with respect to Lowe's most franchise players dont start this way remark. He pointed to Dirk, who was materially better than Ingram. I noted a bunch of guys who turned into good players like Houston, but none of them a franchise player.
So  
DanMetroMan : 2/17/2017 5:20 pm : link
about Kyrie Irving..
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Irving sounds like an  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/17/2017 5:46 pm : link
Idiot.
God damn it  
giantsfan44ab : 2/17/2017 5:51 pm : link
Kyrie...
He made the most of that Duke education, eh?  
Greg from LI : 2/17/2017 8:45 pm : link
Hahahahahahaha
Classic  
BigBlueShock : 2/17/2017 9:11 pm : link
This is the best quote from Kyrie..."There is no concrete information except for the information that theyre giving us."

Deep, deep stuff there.
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