Brett Farve was 35 when Rodgers was drafted

Brown/Kanell/Graham/Collins stretch? Me too

maybe the next QB will make us quickly forget Eli.

Maybe it will be a Favre to Rodgers or Bledsoe to Brady or Montana to Young seamless transition.

I get landing franchise QB's is hard and no one wants to imagine life without Eli - especially those fans who lived through the dark ages, but I think people should allow for the fact there is possibly a QB the Giants can replace Eli with who isn't just competent, but perhaps even better than Eli.

In comment 13364469 pjcas18 said:

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maybe the next QB will make us quickly forget Eli. Maybe it will be a Favre to Rodgers or Bledsoe to Brady or Montana to Young seamless transition. I get landing franchise QB's is hard and no one wants to imagine life without Eli - especially those fans who lived through the dark ages, but I think people should allow for the fact there is possibly a QB the Giants can replace Eli with who isn't just competent, but perhaps even better than Eli.

I will be positive about it, if we are proactive about it and get someone that we can develop behind Eli, and not just throw to the Wolves as a rookie.

...when Jimmy Garoppolo was drafted.

I wouldn't spend a first round pick on a QB, but if the Giants have a first round grade on a QB when they're on the clock at pick #55, I would consider it.

In comment 13364473 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 13364469 pjcas18 said: Quote: maybe the next QB will make us quickly forget Eli. Maybe it will be a Favre to Rodgers or Bledsoe to Brady or Montana to Young seamless transition. I get landing franchise QB's is hard and no one wants to imagine life without Eli - especially those fans who lived through the dark ages, but I think people should allow for the fact there is possibly a QB the Giants can replace Eli with who isn't just competent, but perhaps even better than Eli. I will be positive about it, if we are proactive about it and get someone that we can develop behind Eli, and not just throw to the Wolves as a rookie.

Just think though sometimes you need to get bad to get better. Think Peyton to Luck.

Like most things in life, I won't worry about it because I can't control it, so see how it plays out before being saddened.

In comment 13364467 Brown Recluse said:

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Brown/Kanell/Graham/Collins stretch? Me too

That's not at all fair to group Collins with those other guys.

Cleveland Browns and how many starting Qbs theyve had since Brady has been in the NFl

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In comment 13364467 Brown Recluse said: Quote: Brown/Kanell/Graham/Collins stretch? Me too That's not at all fair to group Collins with those other guys.

Agree with this statement 100% Kerry stabilized the position for a while. It could have been worse.

but Eli's window is closing..

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Cleveland Browns and how many starting Qbs theyve had since Brady has been in the NFl

Doug Pederson
Tim Couch
Spergon Wynn
Kelly Holcomb
Jeff Garcia
Luke McCown
Trent Dilfer
Charlie Frye
Derek Anderson
Brady Quinn
Ken Dorsey
Bruce Gradkowski
Colt McCoy
Jake Delhomme
Seneca Wallace
Brandon Weeden
Thad Lewis
Jason Campbell
Brian Hoyer
Johnny Manziel
Connor Shaw
Josh McCown
Austin Davis
RG3
Cody Kessler

It's a kiss of death to be drafted by CLE as a QB

In comment 13364483 Big Blue '56 said:

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but Eli's window is closing..

I knew something like this would poke its head. Brady is a different case. The continuity of the play book and coaching there makes it easier for him to play a little longer. He doesn't have to learn a new playbook ever, and BB will mold an offense that plays to his strengths every year.

In comment 13364483 Big Blue '56 said:

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but Eli's window is closing..

Ever player is different. By watching their most recent games and seasons I'd agree with that statement. Eli's window is closing, but Brady's is not.

In comment 13364478 Pete in 'Vliet said:

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In comment 13364467 Brown Recluse said: Quote: Brown/Kanell/Graham/Collins stretch? Me too That's not at all fair to group Collins with those other guys.

Was thinking the same when I saw that.. not fair at all. Kurt Warner was a dud, Collins could sling it, scored over 40 points in a NFC champ game, if we won that SB.. ugh nevermind

Lumping Collins in with those guys seems to be a bit of a reach to make your point

but not in our drafting position.

I don't see an Aaron Rodgers in this year's draft. Although it's very, very early, draft commentators think 2018 and 2019 will be stronger classes.

for offense.

He kept Rodgers on the bench for three years. Then, two years after that, at age 40, he had a spectacular, Pro Bowl season with the Vikings.

If Eli follows Favre's career arc, the Giants won't need a replacement until 2021.

In comment 13364489 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13364483 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: but Eli's window is closing.. Ever player is different. By watching their most recent games and seasons I'd agree with that statement. Eli's window is closing, but Brady's is not.

We can disagree on this..Other than OL woes forcing him to release quicker and in some cases into mistakes, I've seen nothing with Eli that would indicate he's anywhere close to being finished..I never bought the assertion that his arm strength is waning..Firstly, when you're forced to throw before you want to you're not going to have much zip at times when you can't step into your throw..Also, Eli has always thrown a ball with air under it at times..

If Eli cares to he will play into his 40s and I believe he will play well..I guess we'll have to see how well we can protect him this coming season and judge from there. I doubt either one of us is going to change their minds anytime soon..😎

who gives their team a better chance to win.

That means Brady will be around a lot longer than Eli.

has 3 yrs tops

In comment 13364475 Milton said:

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...when Jimmy Garoppolo was drafted. I wouldn't spend a first round pick on a QB, but if the Giants have a first round grade on a QB when they're on the clock at pick #55, I would consider it.

If the Giants have a first round grade on a qb that is still there in the second round, perhaps their evaluation system needs to be adjusted.

Rodgers was the second qb taken in the entire draft after coming out as a junior. He wasn't some flyer that GB took a chance on.

Of QBs entering the draft, I wouldn't waste a premium pick on anyone of them (reminds me of the year the team drafted Nassib).

that dropped unexpectedly, but this is a weak QB class. Better to take a project in later rounds and see if he can be coached up.

wouldn't be a bad idea.

In comment 13364480 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 13364478 Pete in 'Vliet said: Quote: In comment 13364467 Brown Recluse said: Quote: Brown/Kanell/Graham/Collins stretch? Me too That's not at all fair to group Collins with those other guys. Agree with this statement 100% Kerry stabilized the position for a while. It could have been worse.

It's fair because he wasn't a solution to the problem.

but if not I am ok with it.

In comment 13364516 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13364489 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13364483 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: but Eli's window is closing.. Ever player is different. By watching their most recent games and seasons I'd agree with that statement. Eli's window is closing, but Brady's is not. We can disagree on this..Other than OL woes forcing him to release quicker and in some cases into mistakes, I've seen nothing with Eli that would indicate he's anywhere close to being finished..I never bought the assertion that his arm strength is waning..Firstly, when you're forced to throw before you want to you're not going to have much zip at times when you can't step into your throw..Also, Eli has always thrown a ball with air under it at times.. If Eli cares to he will play into his 40s and I believe he will play well..I guess we'll have to see how well we can protect him this coming season and judge from there. I doubt either one of us is going to change their minds anytime soon..😎

I hope I'm wrong, but we'll find out. It's absolutely not something that anyone is certain about and definitely something I don't want to be right about, but it is my opinion.

Eli seemed to hear footsteps and sense pressure that wasn't there at times, and he made bad decisions and had accuracy issues. It wasn't all bad obviously he had his good moments and I consider myself an Eli fan. And he certainly wasn't helped by his OL, his running game or his TE's, but he showed tendencies that QB's demonstrate when they're getting older.

I also think he went down a lot easier than earlier in his career which also probably makes sense based on age, imagine him in SB XLII last year, I think he gets sacked by Adalius Thomas instead of escaping to make the Tyree pass.

next year QB draft class looks much better than this year at the moment.

In comment 13364540 pjcas18 said:

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I also think he went down a lot easier than earlier in his career which also probably makes sense based on age, imagine him in SB XLII last year, I think he gets sacked by Adalius Thomas instead of escaping to make the Tyree pass.

I would generally agree with you, but in the interest of arguing semantics and being annoying - I think he still completes that pass. Its the Super Bowl. Its Balboa vs Drago. All or nothing. If you die, you die.

I would rather wait until next year when there are several more promising QB's. Now if there is a raw developmental QB available in the mid to late rounds then I am all for taking a shot at them and allowing them to sit and learn from Eli in hopes that they develop. I am concerned that the Giants might waste a few of Beckham's prime years trying to find their next franchise QB after Eli.

In comment 13364475 Milton said:

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...when Jimmy Garoppolo was drafted. I wouldn't spend a first round pick on a QB, but if the Giants have a first round grade on a QB when they're on the clock at pick #55, I would consider it.

Just like they did with Nassib.

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In comment 13364475 Milton said: Quote: ...when Jimmy Garoppolo was drafted. I wouldn't spend a first round pick on a QB, but if the Giants have a first round grade on a QB when they're on the clock at pick #55, I would consider it. Just like they did with Nassib.

Except Eli was 32 when they traded up to draft Nassib so it was stupid. If Eli were 36 in the 2013 draft like he is now and they felt Nassib was a future replacement I might support the move.

In comment 13364488 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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I knew something like this would poke its head. Brady is a different case. The continuity of the play book and coaching there makes it easier for him to play a little longer. He doesn't have to learn a new playbook ever, and BB will mold an offense that plays to his strengths every year.

Learning a new playbook has never been a limiting factor when considering a QBs age. It's the physical, not mental that will determine when that window closes. Eli could very well play as long as Brady...or not. We'll see someday.

In comment 13364598 Jay on the Island said:

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I would rather wait until next year when there are several more promising QB's. Now if there is a raw developmental QB available in the mid to late rounds then I am all for taking a shot at them and allowing them to sit and learn from Eli in hopes that they develop. I am concerned that the Giants might waste a few of Beckham's prime years trying to find their next franchise QB after Eli.

Yup. I'd rather wait until next year. That draft is stacked compared to this year's.

In comment 13364540 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13364489 pjcas18 said: Eli seemed to hear footsteps and sense pressure that wasn't there at times, and he made bad decisions and had accuracy issues. It wasn't all bad obviously he had his good moments and I consider myself an Eli fan. And he certainly wasn't helped by his OL, his running game or his TE's, but he showed tendencies that QB's demonstrate when they're getting older. PJ: What you just cited above is consistent with lousy Oline pass pro, not the effects of aging. QBs normally lose arm strength and have difficulty getting zip on the ball when they are near their retirement age. Throughout the season we've read here on BBI so many articles showing just how little time Eli has back there before a defender is within a step of him. So even if Eli was beginning to experience signs of aging, with the current pass pro, how could you possibly know? I just think giving Eli his 3.0 - 3.5 seconds after the snap to get the pass off would result in vastly improved QB play. I also think he went down a lot easier than earlier in his career which also probably makes sense based on age, imagine him in SB XLII last year, I think he gets sacked by Adalius Thomas instead of escaping to make the Tyree pass.

Again, Eli "went down easier" because he went down quicker and more frequently. He had horrible protection.

Nassib. I'm glad we haven't found out, but he could be excellent and he could be terrible. Not enough live-game data, and behind our line few QB's would look good.

In comment 13364483 Big Blue '56 said:

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but Eli's window is closing..

good luck to Brady on that goal..Father time may say otherwise

I see many think he'll play forever and if said otherwise, they'll never recover.

reality is maybe not this draft, but definitely next years QB is right up there on priority.

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but Eli's window is closing..

To compare Eli and Brady in that regard is funny. Look at Brady's body and elis. Brady's arm hasn't lost a thing Elis arm has lost a little zip

Others say no..Neither can be proven at this point, so we shall see..

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To compare Eli and Brady in that regard is funny. Look at Brady's body and elis. Brady's arm hasn't lost a thing Elis arm has lost a little zip

That's odd you say that. Brady's arm seems to be slightly weaker than what I remember. He plays a much shorter passing game now. Eli's arm is fine. Just look at his throws in 2016 when he actually had time to make them. His TD pass that OBJ dropped in Green Bay, the deep sideline passes to Cruz in the regular season, etc.

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Many are in denial about Eli and his time closing. micky : 7:02 pm I see many think he'll play forever and if said otherwise, they'll never recover. Reality is maybe not this draft, but definitely next years QB is right up there on priority.

Nah, I haven't seen posts saying Eli will play indefinitely. But I agree 100% that a replacement needs to be scouted now. The Giants should be tracking a handful of young QBs and trying to narrow down a guy they could possibly get.

Eli's age alone (not loss of his skills), is reason enough to get busy trying to fill the most important position on the team.

If he didn't take that one hit that effectively cut his career short.

It could happen to any QB. The Giants have gotten more health out of QB than any team could expect. That could change in a single snap. Can't project the next 3 or 4 years.

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If he didn't take that one hit that effectively cut his career short. It could happen to any QB. The Giants have gotten more health out of QB than any team could expect. That could change in a single snap. Can't project the next 3 or 4 years.

TTH: It seems like every person is different as to when they physically decline. I'd think the Giants are best off playing it safe and going with the percentages that indicate a QB at 36 may be in for retirement.

Back in 2004 after watching Eli for a few games, I'd have sworn he'd never make it through an entire season. He looked like a string bean.

Is to move Eli for a first and then swap that first for Garrapolo

for the rest of his contract for a reason at his age. They want out from him, they're going to need to cut him and give him free reign to go wherever he wants, on whatever deal he can get.

Taking sentiment out entirely, the time to trade him was after 2014, when he was a couple years younger and had rebounded from 2013, and before they extended him, with his previous deal running out.

GB only drafted Rogers because he fell to them. He was one of the those deals that were too good to be true. People are acting as if GB targeted him and moved up to get him. Also, no one knew who Rogers was until he started, so no one can say there is or isn't a Rogers in this draft.

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In comment 13364483 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: but Eli's window is closing.. To compare Eli and Brady in that regard is funny. Look at Brady's body and elis. Brady's arm hasn't lost a thing Elis arm has lost a little zip

OK, Brady is older and has had some injuries that kept him out of a lot of games. Eli hasn't had that yet, so comparing their bodies is an advantage for Eli.

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Is to move Eli for a first and then swap that first for Garrapolo

I hope you're joking.

that in only 3-4 years we're probably looking at a completely new league, QB wise, than what we've seen the last 10-15 years.

Brady/Peyton/Brees/2004 draft class probably gone by then, 2005 draft class almost there.

It's like when Young, Elway, Marino all retired at tail end of the '90s.

too.

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Is to move Eli for a first and then swap that first for Garrapolo

If that happens the entire front office should be fired. And then the Maras and Tischs should sell the team.

But I attribute a lot of that to a poor OL, a weak running game, & no big options outside of Odell & Shephard. Eli still can be a championship QB, but he's not going to carry us to a title like he did in '11. Those days are gone.

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Others say no..Neither can be proven at this point, so we shall see..

I think Eli will play into his 40s too. If anyone can do i, he can. The man hasn't missed a career start since he started playing.

make it easier for the likes of regular Joe Schmoe Dak Prescott types to emerge. Franchise QBs aren't as once-in-a-lifetime as they used to be.

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that in only 3-4 years we're probably looking at a completely new league, QB wise, than what we've seen the last 10-15 years. Brady/Peyton/Brees/2004 draft class probably gone by then, 2005 draft class almost there. It's like when Young, Elway, Marino all retired at tail end of the '90s.

Not a lot of elite QBs left then...who would be considered elite?

Rodgers would be 35-36 in 3-4 years, so he's still elite, but possibly a couple of levels off his best. Ryan and Cam would definitely be in the top 5. Who else looks like an elite QB?

Prescott? Wentz? Lots to prove for both of them.
Flacco? Good QB, but not elite.
Stafford? Regular season #s are there but no playoff success. Does he need to get out of Detroit to win something?
Jameis? Mariota? Lots to prove, although I really like Jameis as a face of the NFL at some point.
Does Jared Goff develop?

Eli on his last legs? if you play on a shit offense you get SHIT!!!

MaCADOO IS RUNNING ON HIS REPUTATION AND A NEW DEFENSIVE LINE! and his reputation is partially relying on TC's strength of leadership!

J Mara and Tisch should have a new asswhole ripped for the crap they served TC and round about to Eli. Eli carried the offense year before last..Proof? Same guys on offense...Play calling figured out by opponents? Vanilla play calling? Lousy execution by players.....coaching or players or both. But definitely backed by a piss poor Front office who looks for the dollar first then ....blames others while mildly proclaiming MIA COLPA.
History has shown the FO is committed to occassionally doing what's right. Why worry, the rich NY fans will always pay through the nose for crap. Complain yes, shell out ridiculous money for a poor product ....absolutely.

John Mara you can go to confession all you want but your Mom would have kicked your butt for what you've done lately and Tisch.....Mrs M would have eaten him as an hors D oeuvre before she got to John and Reese.

Worst thing to happen to the Giants was tha passing of Mrs. M.

Macadoo does not yet have the full acceptance of his team like TC because whatever TC asked his players to do.....been there....done that....and THIS is what is expected.
Macadoo....needs a lot more time and a offensive line that's all his. Change who you will. Each new guy needs to become Macadoo's man before he can become a Giant!


It sure as shit isn't going to be pretty and next year ,,,,We'll be lucky to break even.

There's be even more crap slung at Eli when Mara's nuts should be roasted!

THAT'S OUR HISTORY!!!!

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Eli on his last legs? if you play on a shit offense you get SHIT!!! MaCADOO IS RUNNING ON HIS REPUTATION AND A NEW DEFENSIVE LINE! and his reputation is partially relying on TC's strength of leadership! J Mara and Tisch should have a new asswhole ripped for the crap they served TC and round about to Eli. Eli carried the offense year before last..Proof? Same guys on offense...Play calling figured out by opponents? Vanilla play calling? Lousy execution by players.....coaching or players or both. But definitely backed by a piss poor Front office who looks for the dollar first then ....blames others while mildly proclaiming MIA COLPA. History has shown the FO is committed to occassionally doing what's right. Why worry, the rich NY fans will always pay through the nose for crap. Complain yes, shell out ridiculous money for a poor product ....absolutely. John Mara you can go to confession all you want but your Mom would have kicked your butt for what you've done lately and Tisch.....Mrs M would have eaten him as an hors D oeuvre before she got to John and Reese. Worst thing to happen to the Giants was tha passing of Mrs. M. Macadoo does not yet have the full acceptance of his team like TC because whatever TC asked his players to do.....been there....done that....and THIS is what is expected. Macadoo....needs a lot more time and a offensive line that's all his. Change who you will. Each new guy needs to become Macadoo's man before he can become a Giant! It sure as shit isn't going to be pretty and next year ,,,,We'll be lucky to break even. There's be even more crap slung at Eli when Mara's nuts should be roasted! THAT'S OUR HISTORY!!!!

Not really an optimist are you? This was a discussion about when to draft a successor not a rip Eli apart thread or even coaching. I still believe in Eli but the road is coming to an end in the near future (yes that can be a few years), we have to at least start preparing for it sometime soon.

this is not the year to draft a QB.

but any time from this moment, IF you have a chance to acquire a potential franchise QB, you acquire that QB.

I love Eli, but simply assuming a QB of his age is going to continue to be the bees knees is blind optimism. he's our QB for next year, and probably the year after. it IS time to think about life after Eli.

It was NOT stupid to draft Nassib. he filled in as backup, which is a role that is valuable. If that's all he ever is or was, that was a good pick. IMO, he was hurt in preseason, which made it necessary to carry a third QB on the roster. If they bring him back it would vindicate his pick and his sucking up a roster spot for most of the year. but, I would not count him in as Eli's successor. it wasn't bad to think value as a backup, maybe a successor, but I don't believe he's shown anything other than backup. that is not a bad thing.

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In comment 13364467 Brown Recluse said: Quote: Brown/Kanell/Graham/Collins stretch? Me too That's not at all fair to group Collins with those other guys.

Agreed. 41-0 is reason enough. Collins definitely had some solid stretches with the Giants.