If they tag him again he plays one year then is an unrestricted free agent and can sign where he wants. Plus they will gave to another him 20+ mil this year.
Yeah, it's confusing. But the tag costs the Redskins about $23M IIRC. He'd also be a FA again next year. So maybe he's willing to play for them for one more year at $23M, but won't sign a long term deal unless they make him the highest paid QB in the league.
He's not taking a discount of any kind. He feels he's the precedent for all of the future QBs for years to come. He's taking one for the team, in his mind. At least, that's his excuse for his demands. It's all about the others.
but I can't imagine anyone wanting to sign a long term deal with Washington. They just seem utterly disfunctional between Snyder, his influence on the media, etc. I'll concede that things do seem to have been smoother recently with McCloughan but now there are possibly issues with him (or with Snyder and him). I get why Dallas may be attractive to a FA, I get why people may want to sign with the Eagles, but I just can not wrap my head around wanting to be a Redskin for a large chunk of your short playing career.
I don't know what his long term ceiling is but he looked very, very good for stretches this season and I think he has the mental makeup of a franchise QB. I'd love to see the 'Skins find an above average QB after years of wandering the desert only to have to start that search all over again. Danny Boy deserves nothing less.
Cousins is a an above average QB you can win with...
I don't know what his long term ceiling is but he looked very, very good for stretches this season and I think he has the mental makeup of a franchise QB. I'd love to see the 'Skins find an above average QB after years of wandering the desert only to have to start that search all over again. Danny Boy deserves nothing less.
The other side of that is the Redskins tying up a huge part of their cap into a guy that is decent, not great. I think I'd rather see that play out. Cousins isn't leading that team to a championship. Ever. And if he is making huge money, that is better for all of us.
...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Oh really? Of all the comments on BBI, THAT is the one that sticks out? Are you Mrs. Cousins, by any chance? Kirk Cousins is not leading that team to a championship. There, I doubled down. Copy this, save it. Do whatever you want. You feel free to throw it in my face the day he does. Deal?
Hope Giants do the same for JPP.. Non-Exclusive tag him, leave the take it or leave it deal on the table.. hope he signs it but if not hey,take the two first rounders if no one wants to give up two picks take one, fuck it.
RE: 'Cousins isn't leading that team to a championship. Ever.'...
...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Cousins could lead a loaded team to an SB, esp. loaded on D.
The smart Skins fans tell me this.
You don't think Cousins could go to the Bowl with KC?
That's an interesting question. I think he's the best downfield passer in a league where that is becoming a lost art. I can't envision a scenario whereby the Redskins lose him and get better in the process. I'm not sure what they are thinking with regard to this situation. Are they thinking or are they drinking in DC?
Sure, he produced some gaudy stats, but he also had one of the league's best offensive lines and a hilariously deep stable of receivers and tight ends.
Switch Eli and Cousins and the Redskins go to the Superbowl and the Giants are 4-12 I think.
RE: RE: 'Cousins isn't leading that team to a championship. Ever.'...
...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Cousins could lead a loaded team to an SB, esp. loaded on D.
The smart Skins fans tell me this.
You don't think Cousins could go to the Bowl with KC?
That's not what my point was. I said he's not leading THAT team to a championship. Sure he could possibly lead a loaded team to a title, with a great defense. There have been worse QBs win behind great defense. My point was that paying him to be the highest QB in the league, or close to it is not the best move for THAT team, imo. They aren't close to being a championship team, particularly on defense and spending all that cap space on him would severely hurt their chances to build the rest of the team. I never said he couldn't win with a loaded team behind great defense, but that's not where the Redskins are at this point.
To take your point to the next level - he's not taking *that* team
...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Cousins could lead a loaded team to an SB, esp. loaded on D.
The smart Skins fans tell me this.
You don't think Cousins could go to the Bowl with KC?
That's not what my point was. I said he's not leading THAT team to a championship. Sure he could possibly lead a loaded team to a title, with a great defense. There have been worse QBs win behind great defense. My point was that paying him to be the highest QB in the league, or close to it is not the best move for THAT team, imo. They aren't close to being a championship team, particularly on defense and spending all that cap space on him would severely hurt their chances to build the rest of the team. I never said he couldn't win with a loaded team behind great defense, but that's not where the Redskins are at this point.
Yup, David Woodley springs to mind
RE: I'm sure my bias as a fan of a rival colors my perspective
but I can't imagine anyone wanting to sign a long term deal with Washington. They just seem utterly disfunctional between Snyder, his influence on the media, etc. I'll concede that things do seem to have been smoother recently with McCloughan but now there are possibly issues with him (or with Snyder and him). I get why Dallas may be attractive to a FA, I get why people may want to sign with the Eagles, but I just can not wrap my head around wanting to be a Redskin for a large chunk of your short playing career.
Not sure that a fan of a team that has had to deal with the effects of a meddlesome two-headed ownership should be pointing fingers at any other team's dysfunctional ownership.
RE: RE: 'Cousins isn't leading that team to a championship. Ever.'...
...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Oh really? Of all the comments on BBI, THAT is the one that sticks out? Are you Mrs. Cousins, by any chance? Kirk Cousins is not leading that team to a championship. There, I doubled down. Copy this, save it. Do whatever you want. You feel free to throw it in my face the day he does. Deal?
Well, since only 1 qb can win the championship each year and since in the last 10 years, there are only about 4 qb who have won a championship, that's not a terribly long limb you are going out on.
The point is Cousins has thrown for 9000 yards and 54 td's the last two seasons so he is in the upper 1/3-1/4 of qb's anyway and once Manning retires, will be the best and most experienced qb in the division. So, can the Redskins win with him? Yes.
He can sign the largest contract in the history of football today and in a year or two, it won't be the largest anymore and at the end of it, it may not be in the top 20. This is all about bargaining leverage, nothing more.
Sure, he produced some gaudy stats, but he also had one of the league's best offensive lines and a hilariously deep stable of receivers and tight ends.
Switch Eli and Cousins and the Redskins go to the Superbowl and the Giants are 4-12 I think.
Sure, he produced some gaudy stats, but he also had one of the league's best offensive lines and a hilariously deep stable of receivers and tight ends.
Switch Eli and Cousins and the Redskins go to the Superbowl and the Giants are 4-12 I think.
I lean towards this. Cousins to me looks like a poor man's Matt Ryan. Yes, Ryan had a good year but ATL has spent many draft picks and paid for plenty of FA's to make Ryan seem better than he is.
Cousins can win games under the right conditions but I don't see him ever being on a serious championship contender.
There seems to be a few JAGs in this offensive-minded
and if he was on the Giants we would love him. I can't understand fans who ignore the fact that our rivals will eventually get lucky here and there, just like we do.
He's good, and the best thing we can hope for is out of our division.
A lot of people do the same thing with Romo. He was a good QB for Dallas for a long time.
yea that just isnt true. He may be a redskin but he isnt JAG. Hes an above average qb and has proven that for a few years. The stats and eye test prove it
Cousins is not a JAG. Anyone who says that is a homer. But you're right that he doesn't deserve the highest contract. There are better players overall. But Cousins is definitely a QB most teams could live with.
even the not so great ones. I was going to make a comment about the KC example, until I looked it up and realized that Alex Smith is going to run $17M this season.
Cousins is going to get his money, the question is whether it'll be from the Redskins or elsewhere.
Getting to the top statistically virtually requires a career very good quarterback or an outlying great defense. It's easier to hit one player than a whole side of the ball. It's that simple.
Cousins is an above a league average QB. Is he a career very good QB? Remains to be seen. He's totalled about 3 years of starts, and has put up 2 good seasons.
Put it this way. If he lands in Denver would anyone be shocked if he put up 4K, 30TD, 10 int year won a ring?
Could you imagine if we told BBI at the end of the 2012 season that the big QB issue in DC would be how much to pay Kirk Cousins, and that RG3 wouldn't even be in the picture? We'd be laughed off the internets.
We would also probably be able to work out some sort of Sports Almanac deal and be rich in the past.
The market just absolutely doesn't support the idea guys who throw for 4,900 yard make south of the $20M.
You have 2 groups of starting QBs in the league, guys who make 16M plus and guys on their first deal.
The poor decision is to gamble on a draft pick and hope to net good to very good play, and let the young veteran with low mileage and pelts on the wall walk.
Sure, he produced some gaudy stats, but he also had one of the league's best offensive lines and a hilariously deep stable of receivers and tight ends.
Switch Eli and Cousins and the Redskins go to the Superbowl and the Giants are 4-12 I think.
C'mon, this is ridiculous.
Cousins would die behind the Giants line.
What does this even mean?
Eli Manning is somehow immune to poor OL play but Kirk Cousins would collapse into a heap and be incapable of doing anything?
I love Eli but some of the things you guys say are just completely biased and ridiculous.
and trade him to Cleveland for their 2 #1s just out of spite.
Cousins and Bob, together again.
Maybe the Redskins will sign Manziel?
Anyway you look at it, it's nice to see 2 of the 3 division foes with QB controversies.
Cousins doesn't scare me, he's a compiler, not a leader and Dallas would be more dangerous with Romo than Prescott. If things work out the way they are trending, we come out in good shape, let them quibble.
If they tag him again he plays one year then is an unrestricted free agent and can sign where he wants. Plus they will gave to another him 20+ mil this year.
Yeah, it's confusing. But the tag costs the Redskins about $23M IIRC. He'd also be a FA again next year. So maybe he's willing to play for them for one more year at $23M, but won't sign a long term deal unless they make him the highest paid QB in the league.
Of course it is...
What a world.
What a world.
Come on man. He's only thinking of all the future generations of QBs! Certainly not himself.
The other side of that is the Redskins tying up a huge part of their cap into a guy that is decent, not great. I think I'd rather see that play out. Cousins isn't leading that team to a championship. Ever. And if he is making huge money, that is better for all of us.
JAG.
Oh really? Of all the comments on BBI, THAT is the one that sticks out? Are you Mrs. Cousins, by any chance? Kirk Cousins is not leading that team to a championship. There, I doubled down. Copy this, save it. Do whatever you want. You feel free to throw it in my face the day he does. Deal?
Cousins could lead a loaded team to an SB, esp. loaded on D.
The smart Skins fans tell me this.
You don't think Cousins could go to the Bowl with KC?
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...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Cousins could lead a loaded team to an SB, esp. loaded on D.
The smart Skins fans tell me this.
You don't think Cousins could go to the Bowl with KC?
That's an interesting question. I think he's the best downfield passer in a league where that is becoming a lost art. I can't envision a scenario whereby the Redskins lose him and get better in the process. I'm not sure what they are thinking with regard to this situation. Are they thinking or are they drinking in DC?
Switch Eli and Cousins and the Redskins go to the Superbowl and the Giants are 4-12 I think.
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...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Cousins could lead a loaded team to an SB, esp. loaded on D.
The smart Skins fans tell me this.
You don't think Cousins could go to the Bowl with KC?
That's not what my point was. I said he's not leading THAT team to a championship. Sure he could possibly lead a loaded team to a title, with a great defense. There have been worse QBs win behind great defense. My point was that paying him to be the highest QB in the league, or close to it is not the best move for THAT team, imo. They aren't close to being a championship team, particularly on defense and spending all that cap space on him would severely hurt their chances to build the rest of the team. I never said he couldn't win with a loaded team behind great defense, but that's not where the Redskins are at this point.
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...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Cousins could lead a loaded team to an SB, esp. loaded on D.
The smart Skins fans tell me this.
You don't think Cousins could go to the Bowl with KC?
That's not what my point was. I said he's not leading THAT team to a championship. Sure he could possibly lead a loaded team to a title, with a great defense. There have been worse QBs win behind great defense. My point was that paying him to be the highest QB in the league, or close to it is not the best move for THAT team, imo. They aren't close to being a championship team, particularly on defense and spending all that cap space on him would severely hurt their chances to build the rest of the team. I never said he couldn't win with a loaded team behind great defense, but that's not where the Redskins are at this point.
Yup, David Woodley springs to mind
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...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Oh really? Of all the comments on BBI, THAT is the one that sticks out? Are you Mrs. Cousins, by any chance? Kirk Cousins is not leading that team to a championship. There, I doubled down. Copy this, save it. Do whatever you want. You feel free to throw it in my face the day he does. Deal?
The point is Cousins has thrown for 9000 yards and 54 td's the last two seasons so he is in the upper 1/3-1/4 of qb's anyway and once Manning retires, will be the best and most experienced qb in the division. So, can the Redskins win with him? Yes.
He can sign the largest contract in the history of football today and in a year or two, it won't be the largest anymore and at the end of it, it may not be in the top 20. This is all about bargaining leverage, nothing more.
Switch Eli and Cousins and the Redskins go to the Superbowl and the Giants are 4-12 I think.
C'mon, this is ridiculous.
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Sure, he produced some gaudy stats, but he also had one of the league's best offensive lines and a hilariously deep stable of receivers and tight ends.
Switch Eli and Cousins and the Redskins go to the Superbowl and the Giants are 4-12 I think.
C'mon, this is ridiculous.
Cousins would die behind the Giants line.
JAG.
I lean towards this. Cousins to me looks like a poor man's Matt Ryan. Yes, Ryan had a good year but ATL has spent many draft picks and paid for plenty of FA's to make Ryan seem better than he is.
Cousins can win games under the right conditions but I don't see him ever being on a serious championship contender.
He's good, and the best thing we can hope for is out of our division.
A lot of people do the same thing with Romo. He was a good QB for Dallas for a long time.
JAG.
yea that just isnt true. He may be a redskin but he isnt JAG. Hes an above average qb and has proven that for a few years. The stats and eye test prove it
JAG.
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...that's not the brightest comment I've read on BBI recently. Just sayin'.
Cousins could lead a loaded team to an SB, esp. loaded on D.
The smart Skins fans tell me this.
You don't think Cousins could go to the Bowl with KC?
Not when Andy Reid is still coaching them.
Cousins is going to get his money, the question is whether it'll be from the Redskins or elsewhere.
Cousins is an above a league average QB. Is he a career very good QB? Remains to be seen. He's totalled about 3 years of starts, and has put up 2 good seasons.
Put it this way. If he lands in Denver would anyone be shocked if he put up 4K, 30TD, 10 int year won a ring?
JAG.
That's ridiculous unless I missed sarcasm
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Anyone that pays him that type of cash is insane.
JAG.
That's ridiculous unless I missed sarcasm
Cousins just put up a top 15 all time passing season. The only guys above him without a ring: Ryan, Stafford and Marino.
WTF else do you want from a guy in his 2nd full season starting?
Count me as hoping for sarcasm too.
We would also probably be able to work out some sort of Sports Almanac deal and be rich in the past.
You have 2 groups of starting QBs in the league, guys who make 16M plus and guys on their first deal.
The poor decision is to gamble on a draft pick and hope to net good to very good play, and let the young veteran with low mileage and pelts on the wall walk.
It would be very DC of them to do that.
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Sure, he produced some gaudy stats, but he also had one of the league's best offensive lines and a hilariously deep stable of receivers and tight ends.
Switch Eli and Cousins and the Redskins go to the Superbowl and the Giants are 4-12 I think.
C'mon, this is ridiculous.
Cousins would die behind the Giants line.
What does this even mean?
Eli Manning is somehow immune to poor OL play but Kirk Cousins would collapse into a heap and be incapable of doing anything?
I love Eli but some of the things you guys say are just completely biased and ridiculous.
and trade him to Cleveland for their 2 #1s just out of spite.
Cousins and Bob, together again.
Maybe the Redskins will sign Manziel?
Anyway you look at it, it's nice to see 2 of the 3 division foes with QB controversies.
Cousins doesn't scare me, he's a compiler, not a leader and Dallas would be more dangerous with Romo than Prescott. If things work out the way they are trending, we come out in good shape, let them quibble.