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Darkhorse 1st Round Pick: OL Forrest Lamp (W. Kentucky)

area junc : 2/20/2017 2:04 pm


Height: 6'4"
Weight: 304 lbs.
Age: Unlisted - RS Senior

He'd be right up there with Pugh as a surprise that nobody talked about, but check out the video below - he sure as hell looks like a Giants OL. F#cking scrapper. 4 year starter. Dominant collegiate player. Big, tough, strong and smart. Projects best to G but can play any OL position. Rolls hips through contact and plays with a nasty edge run blocking. Handles both speed and power well in pass pro. Played well vs. Alabama. Was arguably the 2nd best player at the Senior Bowl after O.J. Howard, "solidifying 1st round status" according to FoxSports. Me personally, I like him better than Ramczyk.

Mayock has said of Lamp "he may be my favorite guy in this draft early on".

NFL.com Comparison: Zach Martin

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We need some big skill up front and this guy can get us headed in the right direction quickly. Anybody throwing the remote?


Forrest Lamp vs. Alabama - ( New Window )
FWIW,  
TC : 2/20/2017 2:06 pm : link
Boylhart agrees with you that he's a 1st round talent.

T.H.R. - ( New Window )
Not sure  
ryanmkeane : 2/20/2017 2:09 pm : link
he'd be a dark horse or a player nobody is talking about...but I agree, we should take a hard look if he's there at #23
Definitely not  
ryanmkeane : 2/20/2017 2:10 pm : link
throwing the remote, he's a day 1 RG starter or even RT
He's  
Pete in MD : 2/20/2017 2:13 pm : link
not a BBI darkhorse. This is at least the third or forth thread about him in the past few weeks.
Plug in and play ; no complaints  
est1986 : 2/20/2017 2:15 pm : link
Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Lamp is a young group with talent hopefully Flowers settles in and Pugh and Richburg continue to get better. Lamp could be a very good pick.

Any chance at all that 54 guys get drafted before him?
RE: Plug in and play ; no complaints  
ryanmkeane : 2/20/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13365836 est1986 said:
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Any chance at all that 54 guys get drafted before him?

Unless a major injury or surgery pops up, probably not
What do you mean when you say,  
robbieballs2003 : 2/20/2017 2:20 pm : link
"... he sure as hell looks like a Giants OL"?

Do you mean that he will underperform and derail our offense? Lol
Solid pick  
Patrick77 : 2/20/2017 2:29 pm : link
The Giants could do much worse. I see a talented athlete at TE, RB, ER, CB, or S that is on a row above Lamp being available. I don't think the Giants "force" OL in the first as the depth of talent at other positions so far sounds too good to pass up.
We won't spend the first on the 2nd best  
KWALL2 : 2/20/2017 2:33 pm : link
Prospect on W. Kentucky.

Maybe on the best player they have after he runs sub 4.4 and jumps 40+".
I  
AcidTest : 2/20/2017 2:42 pm : link
wouldn't be happy.
RE: We won't spend the first on the 2nd best  
yatqb : 2/20/2017 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13365856 KWALL2 said:
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Prospect on W. Kentucky.

Maybe on the best player they have after he runs sub 4.4 and jumps 40+".


Taywan Taylor?
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jeremysgiants : 2/20/2017 2:46 pm : link
Taylor is the guy  
KWALL2 : 2/20/2017 2:50 pm : link
He'll run in the 4.3s and jump 40+.

And it shows on game day. He plays fast and big.

He was also very good at the SR bowl practices vs the top CBs. Great prospect.
Lamp  
ryanmkeane : 2/20/2017 2:53 pm : link
would be a smart pick. Those saying they wouldn't be happy with it should probably go back and read their gameday comments about the OL.
RE: Taylor is the guy  
Johnny5 : 2/20/2017 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13365876 KWALL2 said:
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He'll run in the 4.3s and jump 40+.

And it shows on game day. He plays fast and big.

He was also very good at the SR bowl practices vs the top CBs. Great prospect.

Hey kwall, which Taylor... Taywan or Trent (Assume Taywan)?

As for Lamp, I definitely see guard in the NFL...
Nothing wrong with taking a guard  
jeff57 : 2/20/2017 3:50 pm : link
Lamp would not be a stretch to take at 23.
Lamp could be a solid pick  
Milton : 2/20/2017 3:57 pm : link
But would they take Lamp with the 23rd pick if Ramczyk, Robinson, and/or Bolles were still available? It's hard to imagine that all three will be off the board when the Giants are on the clock, but if they are, Lamp could be next man up.
Would rather  
Earl the goat : 2/20/2017 5:14 pm : link
Try to sign Zeitler for RG and use our number 1 on an explosive athlete like David Njoku
Right now, this is the player I want.....  
Dry Lightning : 2/20/2017 5:39 pm : link
which means someone will draft him right before us.
Bolles  
Samiam : 2/20/2017 5:47 pm : link
I don't want the team to take a 25 year old player in the draft -not unless this guy is lights out better than anyone else
Bolles  
Samiam : 2/20/2017 5:47 pm : link
I don't want the team to take a 25 year old player in the draft -not unless this guy is lights out better than anyone else
Depends who we sign in FA  
Stan in LA : 2/20/2017 6:08 pm : link
If we consider Lamp or not.
RE: Bolles  
Milton : 2/20/2017 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13365994 Samiam said:
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I don't want the team to take a 25 year old player in the draft -not unless this guy is lights out better than anyone else
I prefer Cam Robinson, but Bolles may be the best left tackle prospect in the draft.
He shows some real athleticism on this play... - ( New Window )
It is a myth  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/20/2017 6:40 pm : link
That Pugh was a surprise pick.

Mike Mayock had him slotted to the Giants leading up to the draft for at least a week.
I'm hoping we do better than Lamp at 23.  
yatqb : 2/20/2017 6:46 pm : link
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OK.  
AcidTest : 2/20/2017 8:01 pm : link
You sold me. Reese has an excellent record with first round picks, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he chooses Lamp.
RE: OK.  
Diver_Down : 2/20/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13366045 AcidTest said:
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You sold me. Reese has an excellent record with first round picks, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he chooses Lamp.


People need to start analyzing these myths. Here is the fact - Jerry Reese has never signed any of his first round picks to a multi-year contract beyond their initial rookie contract.
RE: RE: OK.  
AcidTest : 2/20/2017 8:31 pm : link
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You sold me. Reese has an excellent record with first round picks, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he chooses Lamp.



People need to start analyzing these myths. Here is the fact - Jerry Reese has never signed any of his first round picks to a multi-year contract beyond their initial rookie contract.


Yes, but they have produced while here. JPP, Beckham, Pugh, Apple. Flowers we still don't know. Wilson had some moments, but got hurt.
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Diver_Down : 2/20/2017 8:46 pm : link
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You sold me. Reese has an excellent record with first round picks, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he chooses Lamp.



People need to start analyzing these myths. Here is the fact - Jerry Reese has never signed any of his first round picks to a multi-year contract beyond their initial rookie contract.



Yes, but they have produced while here. JPP, Beckham, Pugh, Apple. Flowers we still don't know. Wilson had some moments, but got hurt.


An excellent "record" indicates what has happened in the past. I wouldn't count what might happen in the future. As of this moment, our GM has not signed any of his first round picks to multi-year contracts beyond their rookie contract. Franchises require not to miss on these building blocks.
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drkenneth : 2/20/2017 9:47 pm : link
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You sold me. Reese has an excellent record with first round picks, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he chooses Lamp.



People need to start analyzing these myths. Here is the fact - Jerry Reese has never signed any of his first round picks to a multi-year contract beyond their initial rookie contract.



Yes, but they have produced while here. JPP, Beckham, Pugh, Apple. Flowers we still don't know. Wilson had some moments, but got hurt.



An excellent "record" indicates what has happened in the past. I wouldn't count what might happen in the future. As of this moment, our GM has not signed any of his first round picks to multi-year contracts beyond their rookie contract. Franchises require not to miss on these building blocks.


You are ignoring the career ending injuries to guys like Nicks, Phillips, Wilson, Smith, etc. But hey! Don't let that get in the way of your argument!

RE: Bolles  
adamg : 2/20/2017 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13365994 Samiam said:
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I don't want the team to take a 25 year old player in the draft -not unless this guy is lights out better than anyone else


I sympathize with this view. But, if you think about it, having a good starting OLT is worth everything no matter if the career window of the guy is shorter than you'd like. He could still have a 10+ year career. Also consider, there aren't any free agent OLTs younger than 28 who have a shot at being a starting OLT for us.
meh on Lamp  
Torrag : 2/20/2017 11:54 pm : link
If you're looking for a smaller school prospect that could slip into the 1st round see Terrell Basham. He fits the Giants DE prototype to a tee.
The pick will not  
lugnut : 2/21/2017 12:13 am : link
be Lamp. Nor should it be.

At #23 they are taking an offensive weapon or a DE.

No one should should take an OG in the first, let alone from a small school (sorry, Forrest).
RE: Taylor is the guy  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/21/2017 8:04 am : link
In comment 13365876 KWALL2 said:
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He'll run in the 4.3s and jump 40+.

And it shows on game day. He plays fast and big.

He was also very good at the SR bowl practices vs the top CBs. Great prospect.

Here we go with the annual KWALL love affair with an athlete playing WR.
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Diver_Down : 2/21/2017 8:05 am : link
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You sold me. Reese has an excellent record with first round picks, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he chooses Lamp.



People need to start analyzing these myths. Here is the fact - Jerry Reese has never signed any of his first round picks to a multi-year contract beyond their initial rookie contract.



Yes, but they have produced while here. JPP, Beckham, Pugh, Apple. Flowers we still don't know. Wilson had some moments, but got hurt.



An excellent "record" indicates what has happened in the past. I wouldn't count what might happen in the future. As of this moment, our GM has not signed any of his first round picks to multi-year contracts beyond their rookie contract. Franchises require not to miss on these building blocks.



You are ignoring the career ending injuries to guys like Nicks, Phillips, Wilson, Smith, etc. But hey! Don't let that get in the way of your argument!


Sorry, Kenny, I'm not ignoring the injuries. They happen and are certainly not Jerry's fault. I'm just trying to dispel the "excellent record" in the first round. As I mentioned before, for a player to be part of the "record", it has to be in the past. No one can consider the future as part of the "record". So with that cleared up, the next is to look at the word "excellent". To me that implies better than average. Certainly Reese can't be expected to have a 100% rate on resigning his first round picks. Injuries happen and no one is perfect. But certainly any percentage above 50% should be considered in the definition of "excellent". 50-50 is mediocrity/average - that's the same hit rate for losers betting red/black on the roulette wheel. So far to date, Reese is at 0% for resigning his first round picks to multi-year contracts beyond their rookie contract. I'm sure by any unbiased standard 0% does not equal "excellent". So since I've dispelled the "excellent record" myth, I'm sure you'll respond with your oral fellatio of Jerry's performance. Maybe we can move the goal posts and say he has an excellent record in the 3rd round, or 5th round, or 7th round...
RE: The pick will not  
jeff57 : 2/21/2017 8:19 am : link
In comment 13366167 lugnut said:
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be Lamp. Nor should it be.

At #23 they are taking an offensive weapon or a DE.

No one should should take an OG in the first, let alone from a small school (sorry, Forrest).


Maybe that's why the Giants can never run the ball. Martin, Zeitler, DeCastro, all first round picks.
I'd  
AcidTest : 2/21/2017 8:25 am : link
still prefer Jarrad Davis.
NFL .com  
idiotsavant : 2/21/2017 8:49 am : link
lists about 10 out of the first 20 teams in draft order as 'needing offensive line' . Many of those said to be having needs at 'interior OL.'

So, roughly half of the teams picking before us in round 1.

Clearly, they all wont go OL, however, the change that a bunch of them pick OL prior to our 2nd round pick is very good.

Add to that realization this:

Just for shits and kicks, assume that your left tackle prospect at the 23rd pick is a '60% chance to be a lock solid great left tackle', and, ok, I give you that some say that is 'harder to find and therefore has more value.'

However, if, and I have not looked for myself, Lamp or Moton are, say, '87% locks to be great, solid, probowl guards', then a very reasonable argument can be made that its actually MORE rational to look for guards in the late first round as opposed to left tackles. Due to % chance to function in the NFL at.the.position. being greater.

In addition, due to trends as well as needs of teams this year, there is a very good chance that Lamp and Moton are both off the boards by our round #2 pick.

So, which of those two makes a better guard -next year- ...Moton is 20lbs larger, no?
interestingly  
idiotsavant : 2/21/2017 9:07 am : link
CBS has Lamp listed only as a guard, and Moton only as a tackle.

They have Lamp valued higher within the overall all positions rankings, however, its hard to say if a players level -within his positional designation- effects the overall 'value.'

My 2c USD would be that Moton is 6'5" and 330, whereas Lamp is 'only' 6'4" 305.

Seems that the direction this team is going play wise, at the OL, is one of less fancy footwork and more basic pass protection, beef counts in that style. Love Pugh but he may be a tad skinny for MacaDoo ball as a guard.
.it may hinge on if they think Bolles has the goods  
idiotsavant : 2/21/2017 9:13 am : link
its very risky if they think maybe again.

If not, perhaps its a great trade down year.
as a tackle bolles obviously  
idiotsavant : 2/21/2017 9:13 am : link
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I agree  
area junc : 2/21/2017 9:43 am : link
that Lamp may very well be off the board. Hes the best OL in the draft.
Think hes in play  
area junc : 2/21/2017 9:44 am : link
at #14 to IND at the latest.
RE: Would rather  
Carson53 : 2/21/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13365974 Earl the goat said:
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Try to sign Zeitler for RG and use our number 1 on an explosive athlete like David Njoku
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I would like Zeitler too, so will a lot of teams, that means
a lot of pesos, expect 10-11 mill. per.
I would like the Giants to sign a FA, and draft a plug and
play guy too, if possible.
Age: Unlisted - RS Senior?  
Carson53 : 2/21/2017 11:59 am : link
Say what? In this day and age...
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est1986 : 2/21/2017 1:47 pm : link
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You sold me. Reese has an excellent record with first round picks, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he chooses Lamp.



People need to start analyzing these myths. Here is the fact - Jerry Reese has never signed any of his first round picks to a multi-year contract beyond their initial rookie contract.



Yes, but they have produced while here. JPP, Beckham, Pugh, Apple. Flowers we still don't know. Wilson had some moments, but got hurt.



An excellent "record" indicates what has happened in the past. I wouldn't count what might happen in the future. As of this moment, our GM has not signed any of his first round picks to multi-year contracts beyond their rookie contract. Franchises require not to miss on these building blocks.



You are ignoring the career ending injuries to guys like Nicks, Phillips, Wilson, Smith, etc. But hey! Don't let that get in the way of your argument!


Nicks and Phillips contributed to superbowl's.. both being late first rounder's they did there part, KP was a good pick, Nicks was borderline great pick. Wilson was a BAD pick, he had ability but it means nothing without availability, not going to kill Reese because a guy got hurt but at the end of the day we cant re-do the pick, it counts and it counts as a bad one, a tier one fuck up actually.. Smith produced what? one solid season that got us no where, who else was Eli going to throw to that year. Overall there have been hits and misses in round's one and two but Reese's record in those rounds, considering where he picked in those rounds, proves he's one of the best. In Reese We Trust.
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