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The Jacksonville Jaguars have released defensive end Jared Odrick two years into his five-year, $42.5 million contract, according to Odrick’s agent, David Canter. Odrick, a first round pick by the Dolphins in the 2010 draft, spent his first five seasons in Miami. He racked up 16.5 sacks over four seasons of consistent play. He signed with Jacksonville as a free agent prior to the 2015 season. Odrick had a solid first season with the Jaguars, with 5.5 sacks, three pass deflections and one forced fumble. In 2016, Odrick was placed on injured reserve with a shoulder injury and only played in six games. He finished with 12 tackles, one sack and one forced fumble. |
so many teams with so much space hard to see the Giants keeping JPP and certainly not winning any bidding wars.
so many teams with so much space hard to see the Giants keeping JPP and certainly not winning any bidding wars.
Which is why many think if the NYG are going to keep JPP, they're going to have to convince him before 3/9.
so many teams with so much space hard to see the Giants keeping JPP and certainly not winning any bidding wars.
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now have like 85M in cap room.
so many teams with so much space hard to see the Giants keeping JPP and certainly not winning any bidding wars.
How can you say "it's hard to see the Giants keeping JPP" when they can easily tag him? Why is that so hard to see?
They should tag him, but I doubt they will.
I remember vaguely that this was the case. I don't remember where I heard/read it. But of course, any "Gentleman's Agreement" has no bearing unless it is stipulated in writing (contract).
The problem is that Odrick can sign with a team right now so we most likely won't be able to see what happens with Hankins first.
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now have like 85M in cap room.
so many teams with so much space hard to see the Giants keeping JPP and certainly not winning any bidding wars.
How can you say "it's hard to see the Giants keeping JPP" when they can easily tag him? Why is that so hard to see?
Because with 35M using 17.5M on one player, and then 6M for draft picks (min) leaves 14M to fill out the rest of the roster and the Giants need OL help, TE help, WR help, and maybe even LB help (Keenan Robinson) and that means no one other than a draft pick or roster player replaces Hankins.
Just not sure financially tagging JPP is going to work out.
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now have like 85M in cap room.
so many teams with so much space hard to see the Giants keeping JPP and certainly not winning any bidding wars.
How can you say "it's hard to see the Giants keeping JPP" when they can easily tag him? Why is that so hard to see?
Because with 35M using 17.5M on one player, and then 6M for draft picks (min) leaves 14M to fill out the rest of the roster and the Giants need OL help, TE help, WR help, and maybe even LB help (Keenan Robinson) and that means no one other than a draft pick or roster player replaces Hankins.
Just not sure financially tagging JPP is going to work out.
sorry that leaves like 12M to fill out the rest of the roster.
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Odrick would be worth a short-term contract if his health checks out. Perhaps, he'll be receptive to a 2 year prove-it deal to reestablish his market value.
The problem is that Odrick can sign with a team right now so we most likely won't be able to see what happens with Hankins first.
You are absolutely right and the key word is "we" in your response. We have no idea of how Jerry values Hank. We have no idea if any talks have taken place. We are all just spit-balling.
But with the speculation that passes for discussion, there is the possibility that Hank is determined to maximize his earnings (and why shouldn't he?). Jerry might have already had discussions with Hank's agent and the two sides are no where close to how they value Hank. With Jerry's mantra, of always investigating all options, Odrick might certainly qualify as option to investigate if his health checks out.
What defense will Jax play?
If he is really a 3-4 DE, the Giants shouldn't have interest unless they want another Chris Canty.
What defense will Jax play?
If he is really a 3-4 DE, the Giants shouldn't have interest unless they want another Chris Canty.
Jax has played a 4-3 for years. Perhaps they are switching it up to a 3-4? But I doubt it. They retained their existing defensive coordinator who was keeping what Gus Bradley installed which is a variation of a 4-3 with a Leo position (weakside edge player - sole responsibility is to rush and cause disruption in the backfield).
I disagree.
Okwara is raw. Yes he had a great game vs Dallas, but not much thereafter. Odi and Wynn are JAG's. OV's going to face doubles all year without JPP opposite him, even if we draft a DE. Our sacks/pressures along the DL will be WAY down next year.
Resigning JPP should be priority #1 this spring.
It depends entirely on who replaces him.
and I'm not 100% positive, but I don't believe the JPP replacement is on the current roster.
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I'm not 100% positive, but I don't believe the JPP replacement is on the current roster.
The JPP replacement may still be in high school.
then the poster was correct, the Giants won't miss JPP as much as people think
False? who are you Dwight Shrute? The franchise tag is far far worse for the Giants than it is for JPP. He signs it and gets 17.5M (or around there) guaranteed for one season. Of course he says he doesn't want to play on it, no one says they want to play on it. he need an average year to be a FA again and get a contract with another 20 or 30M guaranteed. Giants not in the drivers seat on this one. JPP is not a UDFA, he's made some cash.
he'd have made over 50M in his career from contracts alone if he plays next year on the FT.
The FT might be applied by the Giants as a bargaining tool but JPP playing under it means somewhere else on the team is under-funded or someone else is cut (DRC, Vereen, etc.)
simple math.
In my view those are the only two outcomes where we aren't aren't huge losers.
We have the cap room to pay him the $17.5M if necessary.
All this is academic anyway. He'll be tagged as a negotiating stance if required in an attempt to moderate his contract demands. I've said all along imo a 4/$60M deal is likely the end game here.
the options of JPP on the tag, it is unquestionably worse for the Giants. The only bad things for JPP are injury or poor play and guess what he still gets $17.5M.
The downside for the Giants is they lose a massive investment if he's injured, and if he plays poorly it's wasted money and if he plays well, guess what they risk losing him as even more likely when that 17.5M could be almost half the guaranteed money he would have gotten on a long-term deal.
I want to sign him too, but having him play on the FT will hamstring the team into not being able to sign players they need to fill other holes (OL, WR, TE, DT) or force them to cut players they might not have wanted to cut (DRC, Vereen, for example)
Let's not forget applying the franchise tag if a deal can't be reached initially is a tactic. It could lead to better terms for us on a long term deal. It could lead to a trade. But even if it leads to JPP playing the year at $17.5M that's still the best option for the Giants.
The Giants have about $31.5M in cap room per OTC. If they pay JPP 17.5M that leaves $14M, minus 6M more or less for rookies.
that leaves $8M for upgrades at OL, TE, WR, DT, LB (re-sign Robinson?) backup QB, K.
the money simply does not work. You are not improving the team one bit on offense except through the draft and to rely on draft picks to contribute day 1, outside of maybe a 1st/2nd round pick (sometimes) is not a solid strategy for a contender. Plus you're then forcing Reese's hand in the draft to pick need instead of need/BPA and that's simply not Reese's MO.
The best case scenario is re-signing JPP where year 1 (and most years) would have less than a 17.5M cap hit, him playing on the FT is not a desirable situation for the Giants.
I simply said it's a) not desirable for the Giants and b) much better for JPP than it is the Giants.
the Giants do not want JPP to play on the FT. He may wind up doing it, and if he does it's better than him walking, but it will impact the team's ability to improve in other areas.
I don't see how that's even debatable.
I simply said it's a) not desirable for the Giants and b) much better for JPP than it is the Giants.
the Giants do not want JPP to play on the FT. He may wind up doing it, and if he does it's better than him walking, but it will impact the team's ability to improve in other areas.
I don't see how that's even debatable.
Well then I'll say it. The FT is NOT better than him walking..It would hamstring what we'd need to do forOffense
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playing on the FT is better than him walking.
I simply said it's a) not desirable for the Giants and b) much better for JPP than it is the Giants.
the Giants do not want JPP to play on the FT. He may wind up doing it, and if he does it's better than him walking, but it will impact the team's ability to improve in other areas.
I don't see how that's even debatable.
Well then I'll say it. The FT is NOT better than him walking..It would hamstring what we'd need to do forOffense
to me that's debatable. It depends who replaces JPP. If it's Okwara and the defense is closer to 2015 than 2016 then no it's not better to let him walk. If it's an unnamed player who is close to JPP in production and the defense still plays at a competent level and the offense is improved them I agree.
But it's about the personnel. The Giants NEED two solid DE's at least.
We disagree. If all but JPP are in place with a few upgrades in FA, we should be solid enough on D to be quite effective..It would be better if he was here, but far from catastrophic if he isn't..Houston did rather well without Watt, though they're certainly better with him
it MAY be a good move, but that is far from certain.
it will absolutely kill half the available cap space for this year, and leave you up in the air for the future. You can sign/resign 4 top tier players, OR you can tag JPP and sign/resign 2 other players.
The best thing JPP ever did was not cave the last time we tagged him. IF he had caved, he'd be seeing far less money over all. the best thing for him is to sign a tag, and then get more money next year.
Frankly if we sign JPP, Whitworth and Robinson and draft well we can win it all. And yes we can afford that with a couple of contract tweaks...hello Eli.
Frankly if we sign JPP, Whitworth and Robinson and draft well we can win it all. And yes we can afford that with a couple of contract tweaks...hello Eli.
You can sign 2 or 3 good players for what you pay JPP, imo..A tag is a hard 17 mil. If you sign 2 or 3 good players for that, you can play with the numbers. Not so with the FT