NGT: Cowboys restructure Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick

JPP

Cut?

And, yes, I do think JPP is the "War Daddy" Jones wants. He'll will make them better and us worse.

cap hell?

They are going after JPP or driving the price up for us

the bill will come due in Dallas for all these restructurings"

- BBI, for the 11th consecutive year

to about $4M under and cutting Romo (post June 1) adds another $14M. They are still in the bottom 5 in cap space without too many options left to save without cutting guys like Lee or Witten.

In comment 13365942 The_Boss said:

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Cut? And, yes, I do think JPP is the "War Daddy" Jones wants. He'll will make them better and us worse.

Cutting Romo will save $5.7M on the 2017 cap (his dead money is $19.6M)

In comment 13365946 HomerJones45 said:

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cap hell?

This is what cap hell looks like. They are guaranteeing massive amounts of money to their remaining "core". Romo and Witten are about done and they don't look like cheap deals. Bryant is making 16-18 million forever it looks like.

Lee, Crawford, Bryant, etc... make up a highly paid core. I can't point to a lot of players that are playing on contracts below what they provide the Cowboys. Maybe Cole Beasley is their best bang for buck player behind a draft pick in Elliot?

Elliot goes down and this team does what exactly?

44 million dollar offensive line - ( New Window )

have roughly $88M and $49M more cap room than Dallas will have after they cut Romo. Many other teams will have a chance to outbid the Giants (and Cowboys) for JPP.

are pushing cap issues into future years for the Cowboys; at some point they should be facing a mountain of dead money. J.J. must feel his team is a player or two away from another SB.

These are the only levers the Cowboys have to pull. This puts them nuetral shape. They are hardly cap hell desperation moves, but it certainly doesn't put them in the driver's seat to crush it in UFA.

surprise. They basically had to make these moves just to get under the cap by 3/9.

In comment 13365952 Deej said:

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the bill will come due in Dallas for all these restructurings" - BBI, for the 11th consecutive year

LOL, thank you, that was funny

In comment 13365959 Pete in MD said:

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have roughly $88M and $49M more cap room than Dallas will have after they cut Romo. Many other teams will have a chance to outbid the Giants (and Cowboys) for JPP.

Nobody will have a chance to outbid the Giants for JPP if he is tagged. Ergo, he will be tagged. It's a no-brainer.

The Giants need to worry about being outbid for Kevin Zeitler and Jack Doyle, not JPP.

Do you guys realize the Giants hold all the cards here with the ability to use the franchise tag? One of the main reasons the franchise tag was implemented was to give teams more time to negotiate a long term deal. Relax.

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In comment 13365952 Deej said: Quote: the bill will come due in Dallas for all these restructurings" - BBI, for the 11th consecutive year LOL, thank you, that was funny

If you don't think the bill has come due for the Cowboys, check out how many playoff games they've won in the last eleven years. It's not unrelated to their salary cap situation.

The Giants beat the cowboys twice and are in a much much better cap situation. Their roster when you go through contracts looks like the definition of inequality.

Their offensive line costs more than 3.5 times their secondary.
Their top 2 WRs are 20+ million
Their 2 TEs are 15+ million
Sean Lee is 12 million (supposedly what the Giants value JPP at)


Luckily for them recently they have drafted very well IMO. This is a team that is basically forced to guarantee contracts to any good players just to make room every year. It only works when those players play great and stay healthy. Witten and Romo are grossly overpaid.

In comment 13365971 Milton said:

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In comment 13365968 Johnny5 said: Quote: In comment 13365952 Deej said: Quote: the bill will come due in Dallas for all these restructurings" - BBI, for the 11th consecutive year LOL, thank you, that was funny If you don't think the bill has come due for the Cowboys, check out how many playoff games they've won in the last eleven years. It's not unrelated to their salary cap situation.

Agree, the Cowboys were at/near the top of the NFL as long as J.J. could buy-up the league's best talent without a Salary Cap to worry about. Since the full impact of the salary cap kicked in, not so much.

In comment 13365952 Deej said:

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the bill will come due in Dallas for all these restructurings" - BBI, for the 11th consecutive year

You know nothing. We just learned that "cap hell" is extending the contracts of two 20 something All-Pro linemen. I do hope we avoid that awful fate.

In comment 13365969 Milton said:

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In comment 13365959 Pete in MD said: Quote: have roughly $88M and $49M more cap room than Dallas will have after they cut Romo. Many other teams will have a chance to outbid the Giants (and Cowboys) for JPP. Nobody will have a chance to outbid the Giants for JPP if he is tagged. Ergo, he will be tagged. It's a no-brainer. The Giants need to worry about being outbid for Kevin Zeitler and Jack Doyle, not JPP.

I get it. My point was that it's not like the situation is Giants or Cowboys for JPP now that they freed up some cap space. There are 30 other teams and other factors at play, like the franchise tag you mentioned.

In comment 13365985 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 13365952 Deej said: Quote: the bill will come due in Dallas for all these restructurings" - BBI, for the 11th consecutive year You know nothing. We just learned that "cap hell" is extending the contracts of two 20 something All-Pro linemen. I do hope we avoid that awful fate.

Neither were extended. They both already had 6-7 years left on their deals. This was about restructuring to get under the 2017 cap (converting salary to prorated bonus.)

for Smith, or both?
Those guys playing for a sandwich and chips now?
JJ must have the photos.
The COL IS lower in Texas.

In comment 13365985 HomerJones45 said:

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You know nothing. We just learned that "cap hell" is extending the contracts of two 20 something All-Pro linemen. I do hope we avoid that awful fate.

According to the report, they didn't extend them, they restructured them. All it means is that those two 20-something All-Pro linemen now have more leverage in future negotiations with management. It makes it more difficult for the team to maintain control of their rights.

In comment 13365989 old man said:

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for Smith, or both? Those guys playing for a sandwich and chips now? JJ must have the photos. The COL IS lower in Texas.

Huh?

less about JPP and more about trying to maintain leverage to trade Romo vs release him. These restructures were necessary for them to get under the cap. The only other option was to designate Romo a post-June 1st cut and save $14M. If he is traded, they only save $5M. Now they can try to get something in return for him and get him cleared from the cap in 2017. It's a decent gamble. Sam Bradford got a 1st after all.

There's no way they can outbid the Jags or Browns for him or Hankins or anybody else.

But surely they aren't the only free agents in the league that those teams will be able to throw money at.

In comment 13365989 old man said:

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for Smith, or both? Those guys playing for a sandwich and chips now? JJ must have the photos. The COL IS lower in Texas.

Its mostly a wash (probably with an added incentive to sign the deal). Takes a big chunk of this year's salary and converts it to a bonus, which allows the team to spread out the cost over the next 4 to 5 years. Essentially, it adds to the dead money eaten up by each of these players in those future years. As long as they stay healthy and continue to perform at a high-level the team should be able to manage. Should they get hurt or see a significant drop in performance, then the team will be squeezed by the cap.

In comment 13365991 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13365989 old man said: Quote: for Smith, or both? Those guys playing for a sandwich and chips now? JJ must have the photos. The COL IS lower in Texas. Huh?

Pay no mind, Rob. Old man is well... Old. These guys live in an echelon of society that the Cost Of Living has no bearing. It's not as if they are a struggling retiree living off social security where they are concerned that no Cost of Living increase is factored in their annual benefit summary.

and be 50 mil under the cap. The cowboys are doing this just to get under the cap by pushing cap dollars forward, Its up to the Maras and Tischs how all in they want to be with Elis window.

I needed to be reminded how that works.
Good on Boys part since the cap may very well jump big (10M in 1 year)again in 3 years and they'll be in good shape.

Every time a new CBA is being negotiated , Jones is able to get most of the dead money amnestied. It's supposed to carry over into the new deal but only a fraction does. Every off-season, Dallas signs whomever they want. Proof positive that Mara should be authorizing another aggressive signing period. But he probably won't. The Gisnts will keep one , lose one in the d-line . In other words they will be weakening their roster .

If ratings go down and the CAP goes down. Then they are screwed. Other than that pencil them in the NFC championship game after the QB gets experience.

In comment 13365970 robbieballs2003 said:

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Do you guys realize the Giants hold all the cards here with the ability to use the franchise tag? One of the main reasons the franchise tag was implemented was to give teams more time to negotiate a long term deal. Relax.

The flip side to that is that JPP could just be unhappy with being tagged, not sign a long term deal, and then simply play for 1 year at an untenable cap number that limits the team in 2017 and then leave.

a post June 1 cut is useless in free agency. They will bite the bullet this years.

In comment 13365940 area junc said:

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JPP

Can't you just say that about any team restructuring deals to make cap room?

In comment 13366013 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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The flip side to that is that JPP could just be unhappy with being tagged, not sign a long term deal, and then simply play for 1 year at an untenable cap number that limits the team in 2017 and then leave.

It won't limit the Giants. At worst, it will mean they have to restructure some contracts that they would prefer not to restructure. But the Giants aren't going to not sign someone they would've otherwise signed just because JPP is tagged.

But that is the worst case scenario imo. If JPP wants to risk all that money by playing under a one year deal then so be it. I truly doubt that he would sit out. He would give up over a million per game missed. Imo, the Giants do right by their players and they will be able to work out a deal if JPP wants one. I also think JPP is smart and sees the benefits of staying with the Giants over not being happy on another team. Victor Cruz made the comment of how many players have left and have not been happy with where they ended up. Plus, I also think JPP respects the fact that the Giants stuck with him through the whole fireworks incident. The Giants were pissed and frustrated but they were patient and fair with letting the situation play out.

On top of all that, players take pride in their play and what they built. This defense could be something special. The players not only have played well together but seem to be very close. I don't see why JPP would want to leave. I would believe he would want to stay and I believe the Giants want him to stay. With the franchise tag as an option it just makes too much sense that these two sides come to a deal.

In comment 13365940 area junc said:

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JPP

Is this the word out of Dallas' camp or JPP's camp?

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In comment 13366013 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: The flip side to that is that JPP could just be unhappy with being tagged, not sign a long term deal, and then simply play for 1 year at an untenable cap number that limits the team in 2017 and then leave. It won't limit the Giants. At worst, it will mean they have to restructure some contracts that they would prefer not to restructure. But the Giants aren't going to not sign someone they would've otherwise signed just because JPP is tagged.

I don't think it will come to that, though. Restructuring in itself is limiting because you end up paying for it anyway. It's just kicking the can down the road. Eventually you will feel it. If you believe the reports on what the Giants are valuing him at, and you see what the franchise tag rate is for defensive ends, I don't see them doing that unless they feel confident a long term deal is possible. When is the last time the Giants have ever utilized the tag and had the player play on that contract? They just don't make use of it that way.

The franchise tag is designed to push both sides to work out a deal, not to keep one locked up who doesn't want to be there. Players don't want zero long term security, and teams don't want to be hamstrung by a contract that is a cap burden. The advantage to a long term deal is that you can hide tons of money in ways that doesn't limit your flexibility in the short term.

Are they paying them less this year AND more in later years or just less period? How do these moves work?

In comment 13366031 est1986 said:

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Are they paying them less this year AND more in later years or just less period? How do these moves work?

They are either paying them the same or more but the books report less for the current year. Basically, the team guarantees the player some of their base salary. The player will usually get the same amount of money IF they make it to the end of their contract.

A salary counts towards that years cap, whereas a signing bonus pro rates it over the course of the contract. So they are essentially robbing peter to pay paul. They are converting their salaries to a signing bonus(which the player still gets) and then paying them a league min salary. So the pro rated bonus+salary counts against the cap.

reduced to 1,275,000. More than like received 8.7 mil bonus which others have stated goes into other years increasing salaries in those years. The Giant could do the same with Jenkins, Harrison, Vernon if they so choose to raise cap space in the current year.

contract to lower the cap hit too. At some point they are going to take the hit for these guys.

In comment 13365969 Milton said:

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In comment 13365959 Pete in MD said: Milton. Couldn't agree more with you on JPP. And I'm praying we can get Zeitler. Quote: have roughly $88M and $49M more cap room than Dallas will have after they cut Romo. Many other teams will have a chance to outbid the Giants (and Cowboys) for JPP. Nobody will have a chance to outbid the Giants for JPP if he is tagged. Ergo, he will be tagged. It's a no-brainer. The Giants need to worry about being outbid for Kevin Zeitler and Jack Doyle, not JPP.

Not true if the CAP keeps escalating very easy to absorb.

They are adding to future cap dollars. At some point, they are going to take a hit for these restructures. Will it cripple them? Doubtful, but they are going to pay later.

Dallas cannot just go out and buy top of the line FA's like the giants are able to do. All the Cowboys did with these restructures is get them to 6M in space. They are still like 30th in the NFL. Looking at the rest of the league, the team with the 16th most money available has $36M to spend.

In comment 13366014 WillieYoung said:

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a post June 1 cut is useless in free agency. They will bite the bullet this years.

You are completely correct, they could use that extra space for draft picks but it will do no good in free agency. Forgot about that detail. Makes these restructures 100% necessary to get under the cap but they will have very little to spend on 3/9.

doesn't seem to be one of the teams we need to fear will sign JPP, even after these restructures.