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bigblue12 : 2/20/2017 10:08 pm
Unless blown away by the Bengals. Make it happen JR
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Yep make it happen JR. This is a no brainer for the Giants.  
Torrag : 2/20/2017 10:16 pm : link
We should overpay to sign him if we have to.
RE: Yep make it happen JR. This is a no brainer for the Giants.  
est1986 : 2/20/2017 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13366107 Torrag said:
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We should overpay to sign him if we have to.


Umm, I don't know about that.
Sounds like he is not looking to be over paid  
est1986 : 2/20/2017 10:28 pm : link
Sounds like he is looking to join a playoff team. He wants a shot at a Super Bowl, like he should at his age. He will hit the market and see what Playoff teams can afford him and want him.
I don't want to  
Doomster : 2/20/2017 10:28 pm : link
overpay for a 35 year old lineman....
3 years 30 million  
est1986 : 2/20/2017 10:30 pm : link
15 guarenteed tops... But i would hesitate to offer him that. I'd only really like him on a one year deal.
Love to see it.  
Giantgator : 2/20/2017 10:34 pm : link
I saw Whitworth at a Pro Bowl practice-he could be the 9th continent. Tonight I'll dream of Eli with another tick to get Beckham open downfield.
I had mentioned on other threads  
Matt in SGS : 2/20/2017 10:44 pm : link
The Giants are an extremely attractive landing spot to veteran free agents who are looking for their chance at a ring.

They know the Giants are a team on the rise, with a championship quality defense, along with Eli and Odell. They are a few parts away on offense from this being a Super Bowl contender for the next 2-3 years before Eli retires. And they have cap room, plus the NY market.

Realistically, unless you are looking at the Patriots, no other team makes sense in the AFC.

So that leaves the NFC, and the Giants are just waiting for a guy like Whitworth to help put them over the top.

I thought the reports earlier about Whitworth saying he was staying in Cincy was more lip service to their fans. The Bengals window with their current incarnation has closed. Their best chance to make noise was probably 2 years ago when they threw the game away vs. the Steelers. If anything, they will want to get younger and rebuild, so Whitworth wouldn't make as much sense anymore. I think this should be a slam dunk for both sides to work something out.
It's tempting...  
CT Charlie : 2/20/2017 10:47 pm : link
LSU guy, from Louisiana, might like helping OBJ & Eli...
2 years 18.5 mill 10 guaranteed  
adamg : 2/20/2017 10:57 pm : link
Let's go, Andrew and Jerry. Contender prices...
Go get him  
The_Boss : 2/20/2017 10:58 pm : link
Spend the rest of the cap space on JPP and extending Pugh and Richburg. Fill in most remaining holes (mostly on offense) via the draft.
I don't think the Giants go after him unless  
robbieballs2003 : 2/20/2017 11:07 pm : link
They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
RE: I don't think the Giants go after him unless  
adamg : 2/20/2017 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13366149 robbieballs2003 said:
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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.


At this point, Flowers has proven nothing as far as value after his rookie deal. I think we're better off having him move to ORT or ORG and seeing if he can be a quality starter at all.

Two years to get a groove going on the right side, and maybe he develops enough that they trust him at OLT by year 5 or he's solidified a spot on the right side.
Adam  
robbieballs2003 : 2/20/2017 11:20 pm : link
I have been fighting a losing battle on here the last year. I was saying Flowers proved nothing and we need to see it. I was getting ripped saying that Flowers will be fine and he just had an injury. We all saw the truth this year. I am with you. Flowers still hasn't proven anything. I have been saying all along not that he sucks or is a bum or will never be good but rather we need ro see it and the best way for that to happen, imo, is to give him competition and let him earn it.

With all that said, my previous post was not what I would do but rather what I believe the Giants will do.
The Giants can't pass on a player like Whitworth because of Flowers.  
arcarsenal : 2/20/2017 11:24 pm : link
Flowers didn't do anything this year to show that he should just be handed the LT spot. I think he'd be better on the right side. Especially @ RG. I think he's a capable NFL player. Just probably not a left tackle. NYG need to go get Whitworth.
RE: Adam  
adamg : 2/20/2017 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13366154 robbieballs2003 said:
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I have been fighting a losing battle on here the last year. I was saying Flowers proved nothing and we need to see it. I was getting ripped saying that Flowers will be fine and he just had an injury. We all saw the truth this year. I am with you. Flowers still hasn't proven anything. I have been saying all along not that he sucks or is a bum or will never be good but rather we need ro see it and the best way for that to happen, imo, is to give him competition and let him earn it.

With all that said, my previous post was not what I would do but rather what I believe the Giants will do.


Got you. I was team Flowers as well. He and Jennings let me down this year. I think Flowers just needs a new spot and he'll shine. We'll see how it shakes out. Whitworth still sounds likelier to stay in Cincy than anything at this point.
More like  
blueblood : 2/20/2017 11:51 pm : link
Whitworth tests market to drive up price on Bengals.. then resigns with Bengals
Vikings have a big need at tackle as well  
rasbutant : 2/21/2017 1:02 am : link
And whitworth knows the coaching staff.
RE: RE: Yep make it happen JR. This is a no brainer for the Giants.  
Tuckrule : 2/21/2017 5:31 am : link
In comment 13366118 est1986 said:
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In comment 13366107 Torrag said:


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We should overpay to sign him if we have to.



Umm, I don't know about that.


100 percent agreed we should pay the man. Eli needs his blindside protected for the duration of his career and whitworth and Eli age line up
Going into next season with Flowers as the LT would be a reckless  
Jimmy Googs : 2/21/2017 7:17 am : link
decision. As would throwing some avg competition out there to see if Flowers comes alive.

Front office needs a replacement that is a better option now, and if Flowers can beat him for the job then so be it. If he cannot then Flowers needs to considered for other spots on the line.

If he can't win on a spot on this line, he goes to the bench.

The only question is which available piece is a better LT option now. And that can't be that hard of a decision.
RE: I don't think the Giants go after him unless  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 2/21/2017 7:42 am : link
In comment 13366149 robbieballs2003 said:
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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.


You're the type of guy that eats at Chipotle, gets listeria, and then goes back for more saying it'll be better next week.
RE: RE: I don't think the Giants go after him unless  
robbieballs2003 : 2/21/2017 7:49 am : link
In comment 13366190 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:
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In comment 13366149 robbieballs2003 said:


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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.



You're the type of guy that eats at Chipotle, gets listeria, and then goes back for more saying it'll be better next week.


You're the type of guy that needs to work on his reading comprehension.
RE: RE: I don't think the Giants go after him unless  
gmenatlarge : 2/21/2017 8:31 am : link
In comment 13366153 adamg said:
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In comment 13366149 robbieballs2003 said:


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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.



At this point, Flowers has proven nothing as far as value after his rookie deal. I think we're better off having him move to ORT or ORG and seeing if he can be a quality starter at all.

Two years to get a groove going on the right side, and maybe he develops enough that they trust him at OLT by year 5 or he's solidified a spot on the right side.


Definitely agree on Flowers, one of the worst LT's in football and close to a total bust unless he can contribute at RT or RG. They HAVE to get an LT somewhere, just not sure where!
Wouldn't invest much in older player  
micky : 2/21/2017 8:47 am : link
Very minimum offer if hits open market..draft a OT
Window of opportunity w/Eli is slowly closing  
TheMick7 : 2/21/2017 8:51 am : link
Unless Whitworth makes unrealistic demands, he needs to be a Giant next year!
I'd sign him for 3 years(for amortization purposes)  
Big Blue '56 : 2/21/2017 8:56 am : link
with the 3rd being the option or opt out year for either party..$20 million, 8 guaranteed
I'd be shocked  
Big Rick in FL : 2/21/2017 9:09 am : link
If he gets less than 10 million a year. He's missed very few games in his career and he's been an All Pro & Pro Bowler the last 3 years.
Ereck Flowers is 22.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/21/2017 9:09 am : link
Let me say that again; the kid is 22 years old.

22

Maybe his future isn't at LT, but it is way to soon to call the kid a bust after 2 seasons under 2 different coaches, at a very young age for the NFL.

His position will likely be determined in camp.
Sounds  
ryanmkeane : 2/21/2017 9:10 am : link
too good to be true...I'd imagine the Bengals would up the offer for him to stay. Seems like a no brainer LT solution for 2 years if he comes at a decently affordable price. Move Flowers to RG or RT, and figure out another OL in the first few rounds to compete for a spot.
RE: I don't think the Giants go after him unless  
area junc : 2/21/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13366149 robbieballs2003 said:
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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.



If the Giants put Flowers at LT again, they may as well hoist their middle finger and say "F U" to Eli and be done with it.
Ah, BBI  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/21/2017 9:16 am : link
where everything is black and white, and the grass is always greener elsewhere.
'Flowers...it is way to soon to call the kid a bust after 2 seasons'..  
Torrag : 2/21/2017 9:41 am : link
...I agree with this but we need some insurance and playing him at another spot for a time could help him. That's why Whitworth on a two year deal is the perfect solution. It isn't a death knell for Flowers(who has a 5th year team option if we want to trigger it).

Sign Whitworth. It' a win-win.

Keeping JPP is literally the only higher priority business on our agenda than this.
If it was true,  
Doomster : 2/21/2017 9:43 am : link
that the Giants talked to LT's last season, and wanted them to play RT, because Flowers was their guy there, what does that say about the coaching staff?
RE: Ereck Flowers is 22.  
Jimmy Googs : 2/21/2017 9:47 am : link
In comment 13366274 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Let me say that again; the kid is 22 years old.

22

Maybe his future isn't at LT, but it is way to soon to call the kid a bust after 2 seasons under 2 different coaches, at a very young age for the NFL.

His position will likely be determined in camp.


Agree but that is not the issue that needs debating right now. More important to find starting caliber LT for 2017...
'what does that say about the coaching staff?'...  
Torrag : 2/21/2017 9:51 am : link
Nothing. Flowers had an up and down rookie season playing on a gimped ankle he toughed it out on. They weren't going to doing anything radical at that point. It was a reasonable approach.
Get him and Martellus Bennett too  
Thegratefulhead : 2/21/2017 11:42 am : link
Bennett and Flowers on the right side would open up holes i could drive a golf cart through.
RE: RE: I don't think the Giants go after him unless  
robbieballs2003 : 2/21/2017 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13366277 area junc said:
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In comment 13366149 robbieballs2003 said:


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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.




If the Giants put Flowers at LT again, they may as well hoist their middle finger and say "F U" to Eli and be done with it.


The reading comprehension on this site is amazing.
RE: If it was true,  
Big Blue '56 : 2/21/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13366330 Doomster said:
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that the Giants talked to LT's last season, and wanted them to play RT, because Flowers was their guy there, what does that say about the coaching staff?


It says were were 11-5
Do it  
PaulN : 2/21/2017 1:31 pm : link
3 year 27 mil/17 guaranteed, 9 mil in bonus. salary year 1, 4 mil guaranteed, year 2, 4 mil guaranteed, year 3, 13 mil. Salary cap hit is 7 mil year 1, 7 mil year 2, 13 mil year 3. If you cut him in year 3, you have 3 mil in dead money, but save 10 in cap space.
I'd hope they  
Metnut : 2/21/2017 1:39 pm : link
make a strong effort to sign this guy. Personally, I think it would be crazy to go into next season with Flowers as plan A for the LT position.
RE: Ereck Flowers is 22.  
arcarsenal : 2/21/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13366274 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Let me say that again; the kid is 22 years old.

22

Maybe his future isn't at LT, but it is way to soon to call the kid a bust after 2 seasons under 2 different coaches, at a very young age for the NFL.

His position will likely be determined in camp.


By then it's going to be too late if it turns out he still can't swing LT.

I think Flowers is an NFL player but I don't think he's a LT, at least not right now. And with Eli and the team we have right now, we can't afford to spend more time figuring it out. If a better player is available, the Giants need to make a move.
The Giants drafted Flowers 9th overall  
est1986 : 2/21/2017 2:06 pm : link
They were higher on Flowers than anyone on BBI pre-draft. I have a feeling they don't think Flowers sucks as bad as BBI does after two tough years thrown into the fire. 22 years young, holy fuck, he had a handful of very good games last year the other handful was very bad ones.. I have faith he can be a LEFT TACKLE, give him at least another year at LT.

Not like there is a field of better LT's out there to pick from. Unless he breaks a leg he will be available which is more than you can say about the group of injury-ridden vet LT's out there. Solari did absolutely nothing with an O-Line that stayed the same and gel'd for two years, it makes no sense that a offensive line with the same pieces got worse.
With Eli's age, Giants have a limited window  
Section331 : 2/21/2017 2:12 pm : link
to win another title. It would be irresponsible for Reese to hope that Flowers grows into the OLT role, and I think he will make every reasonable effort to find a solution. That said, if nothing works out, he may be comfortable going into the season with Flowers, but he has to at least explore other opportunities.
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