Sounds like he is looking to join a playoff team. He wants a shot at a Super Bowl, like he should at his age. He will hit the market and see what Playoff teams can afford him and want him.
The Giants are an extremely attractive landing spot to veteran free agents who are looking for their chance at a ring.
They know the Giants are a team on the rise, with a championship quality defense, along with Eli and Odell. They are a few parts away on offense from this being a Super Bowl contender for the next 2-3 years before Eli retires. And they have cap room, plus the NY market.
Realistically, unless you are looking at the Patriots, no other team makes sense in the AFC.
So that leaves the NFC, and the Giants are just waiting for a guy like Whitworth to help put them over the top.
I thought the reports earlier about Whitworth saying he was staying in Cincy was more lip service to their fans. The Bengals window with their current incarnation has closed. Their best chance to make noise was probably 2 years ago when they threw the game away vs. the Steelers. If anything, they will want to get younger and rebuild, so Whitworth wouldn't make as much sense anymore. I think this should be a slam dunk for both sides to work something out.
They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
At this point, Flowers has proven nothing as far as value after his rookie deal. I think we're better off having him move to ORT or ORG and seeing if he can be a quality starter at all.
Two years to get a groove going on the right side, and maybe he develops enough that they trust him at OLT by year 5 or he's solidified a spot on the right side.
I have been fighting a losing battle on here the last year. I was saying Flowers proved nothing and we need to see it. I was getting ripped saying that Flowers will be fine and he just had an injury. We all saw the truth this year. I am with you. Flowers still hasn't proven anything. I have been saying all along not that he sucks or is a bum or will never be good but rather we need ro see it and the best way for that to happen, imo, is to give him competition and let him earn it.
With all that said, my previous post was not what I would do but rather what I believe the Giants will do.
The Giants can't pass on a player like Whitworth because of Flowers.
Flowers didn't do anything this year to show that he should just be handed the LT spot. I think he'd be better on the right side. Especially @ RG. I think he's a capable NFL player. Just probably not a left tackle. NYG need to go get Whitworth.
I have been fighting a losing battle on here the last year. I was saying Flowers proved nothing and we need to see it. I was getting ripped saying that Flowers will be fine and he just had an injury. We all saw the truth this year. I am with you. Flowers still hasn't proven anything. I have been saying all along not that he sucks or is a bum or will never be good but rather we need ro see it and the best way for that to happen, imo, is to give him competition and let him earn it.
With all that said, my previous post was not what I would do but rather what I believe the Giants will do.
Got you. I was team Flowers as well. He and Jennings let me down this year. I think Flowers just needs a new spot and he'll shine. We'll see how it shakes out. Whitworth still sounds likelier to stay in Cincy than anything at this point.
decision. As would throwing some avg competition out there to see if Flowers comes alive.
Front office needs a replacement that is a better option now, and if Flowers can beat him for the job then so be it. If he cannot then Flowers needs to considered for other spots on the line.
If he can't win on a spot on this line, he goes to the bench.
The only question is which available piece is a better LT option now. And that can't be that hard of a decision.
They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
You're the type of guy that eats at Chipotle, gets listeria, and then goes back for more saying it'll be better next week.
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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
You're the type of guy that eats at Chipotle, gets listeria, and then goes back for more saying it'll be better next week.
You're the type of guy that needs to work on his reading comprehension.
RE: RE: I don't think the Giants go after him unless
They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
At this point, Flowers has proven nothing as far as value after his rookie deal. I think we're better off having him move to ORT or ORG and seeing if he can be a quality starter at all.
Two years to get a groove going on the right side, and maybe he develops enough that they trust him at OLT by year 5 or he's solidified a spot on the right side.
Definitely agree on Flowers, one of the worst LT's in football and close to a total bust unless he can contribute at RT or RG. They HAVE to get an LT somewhere, just not sure where!
too good to be true...I'd imagine the Bengals would up the offer for him to stay. Seems like a no brainer LT solution for 2 years if he comes at a decently affordable price. Move Flowers to RG or RT, and figure out another OL in the first few rounds to compete for a spot.
They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
If the Giants put Flowers at LT again, they may as well hoist their middle finger and say "F U" to Eli and be done with it.
...I agree with this but we need some insurance and playing him at another spot for a time could help him. That's why Whitworth on a two year deal is the perfect solution. It isn't a death knell for Flowers(who has a 5th year team option if we want to trigger it).
Sign Whitworth. It' a win-win.
Keeping JPP is literally the only higher priority business on our agenda than this.
that the Giants talked to LT's last season, and wanted them to play RT, because Flowers was their guy there, what does that say about the coaching staff?
Nothing. Flowers had an up and down rookie season playing on a gimped ankle he toughed it out on. They weren't going to doing anything radical at that point. It was a reasonable approach.
They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
If the Giants put Flowers at LT again, they may as well hoist their middle finger and say "F U" to Eli and be done with it.
The reading comprehension on this site is amazing.
that the Giants talked to LT's last season, and wanted them to play RT, because Flowers was their guy there, what does that say about the coaching staff?
3 year 27 mil/17 guaranteed, 9 mil in bonus. salary year 1, 4 mil guaranteed, year 2, 4 mil guaranteed, year 3, 13 mil. Salary cap hit is 7 mil year 1, 7 mil year 2, 13 mil year 3. If you cut him in year 3, you have 3 mil in dead money, but save 10 in cap space.
Maybe his future isn't at LT, but it is way to soon to call the kid a bust after 2 seasons under 2 different coaches, at a very young age for the NFL.
His position will likely be determined in camp.
By then it's going to be too late if it turns out he still can't swing LT.
I think Flowers is an NFL player but I don't think he's a LT, at least not right now. And with Eli and the team we have right now, we can't afford to spend more time figuring it out. If a better player is available, the Giants need to make a move.
They were higher on Flowers than anyone on BBI pre-draft. I have a feeling they don't think Flowers sucks as bad as BBI does after two tough years thrown into the fire. 22 years young, holy fuck, he had a handful of very good games last year the other handful was very bad ones.. I have faith he can be a LEFT TACKLE, give him at least another year at LT.
Not like there is a field of better LT's out there to pick from. Unless he breaks a leg he will be available which is more than you can say about the group of injury-ridden vet LT's out there. Solari did absolutely nothing with an O-Line that stayed the same and gel'd for two years, it makes no sense that a offensive line with the same pieces got worse.
to win another title. It would be irresponsible for Reese to hope that Flowers grows into the OLT role, and I think he will make every reasonable effort to find a solution. That said, if nothing works out, he may be comfortable going into the season with Flowers, but he has to at least explore other opportunities.
Umm, I don't know about that.
They know the Giants are a team on the rise, with a championship quality defense, along with Eli and Odell. They are a few parts away on offense from this being a Super Bowl contender for the next 2-3 years before Eli retires. And they have cap room, plus the NY market.
Realistically, unless you are looking at the Patriots, no other team makes sense in the AFC.
So that leaves the NFC, and the Giants are just waiting for a guy like Whitworth to help put them over the top.
I thought the reports earlier about Whitworth saying he was staying in Cincy was more lip service to their fans. The Bengals window with their current incarnation has closed. Their best chance to make noise was probably 2 years ago when they threw the game away vs. the Steelers. If anything, they will want to get younger and rebuild, so Whitworth wouldn't make as much sense anymore. I think this should be a slam dunk for both sides to work something out.
At this point, Flowers has proven nothing as far as value after his rookie deal. I think we're better off having him move to ORT or ORG and seeing if he can be a quality starter at all.
Two years to get a groove going on the right side, and maybe he develops enough that they trust him at OLT by year 5 or he's solidified a spot on the right side.
With all that said, my previous post was not what I would do but rather what I believe the Giants will do.
With all that said, my previous post was not what I would do but rather what I believe the Giants will do.
Got you. I was team Flowers as well. He and Jennings let me down this year. I think Flowers just needs a new spot and he'll shine. We'll see how it shakes out. Whitworth still sounds likelier to stay in Cincy than anything at this point.
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We should overpay to sign him if we have to.
Umm, I don't know about that.
100 percent agreed we should pay the man. Eli needs his blindside protected for the duration of his career and whitworth and Eli age line up
Front office needs a replacement that is a better option now, and if Flowers can beat him for the job then so be it. If he cannot then Flowers needs to considered for other spots on the line.
If he can't win on a spot on this line, he goes to the bench.
The only question is which available piece is a better LT option now. And that can't be that hard of a decision.
You're the type of guy that eats at Chipotle, gets listeria, and then goes back for more saying it'll be better next week.
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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
You're the type of guy that eats at Chipotle, gets listeria, and then goes back for more saying it'll be better next week.
You're the type of guy that needs to work on his reading comprehension.
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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
At this point, Flowers has proven nothing as far as value after his rookie deal. I think we're better off having him move to ORT or ORG and seeing if he can be a quality starter at all.
Two years to get a groove going on the right side, and maybe he develops enough that they trust him at OLT by year 5 or he's solidified a spot on the right side.
Definitely agree on Flowers, one of the worst LT's in football and close to a total bust unless he can contribute at RT or RG. They HAVE to get an LT somewhere, just not sure where!
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Maybe his future isn't at LT, but it is way to soon to call the kid a bust after 2 seasons under 2 different coaches, at a very young age for the NFL.
His position will likely be determined in camp.
If the Giants put Flowers at LT again, they may as well hoist their middle finger and say "F U" to Eli and be done with it.
Sign Whitworth. It' a win-win.
Keeping JPP is literally the only higher priority business on our agenda than this.
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Maybe his future isn't at LT, but it is way to soon to call the kid a bust after 2 seasons under 2 different coaches, at a very young age for the NFL.
His position will likely be determined in camp.
Agree but that is not the issue that needs debating right now. More important to find starting caliber LT for 2017...
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They are totally giving up on Flowers at LT. I don't think that is the case. I think they will bring in competition. It is also not their M.O. lately to give older players big money. On paper this would be a good signing which is why a lot of fans are getting excited. I just don't see it. Plus, if we give him money for 2 or 3 years then Flowers' contract us up and we will have no idea if he is our LT of the future or not meaning we will definitely have to address that position over the next year or 2 to groom someone ready to step into that spot. That ks why I believe Rieff is a much more likely target for the Giants.
If the Giants put Flowers at LT again, they may as well hoist their middle finger and say "F U" to Eli and be done with it.
The reading comprehension on this site is amazing.
It says were were 11-5
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Maybe his future isn't at LT, but it is way to soon to call the kid a bust after 2 seasons under 2 different coaches, at a very young age for the NFL.
His position will likely be determined in camp.
By then it's going to be too late if it turns out he still can't swing LT.
I think Flowers is an NFL player but I don't think he's a LT, at least not right now. And with Eli and the team we have right now, we can't afford to spend more time figuring it out. If a better player is available, the Giants need to make a move.
Not like there is a field of better LT's out there to pick from. Unless he breaks a leg he will be available which is more than you can say about the group of injury-ridden vet LT's out there. Solari did absolutely nothing with an O-Line that stayed the same and gel'd for two years, it makes no sense that a offensive line with the same pieces got worse.