According to ESPNs Ian Begley, the Timberwolves have talked to the Knicks about a possible trade involving Rose. Begley reports that it is unclear what the Timberwolves would offer the Knicks for the former MVP. The Timberwolves arent the only team inquiring about Rose as Begley reports that several teams have reached out to the Knicks about their starting point guard.
-Berman is implying Melo prefers LAC/LAL over Cleveland, Boston etc but like everyone else he's saying a deal would be shocking.
-Steve Kyler says Paul has a verbal agreement to remain with LAC and will be official once the new CBA begins.
I'd give Rubio a chance here. He at least tries on defense and it's not like Rose can shoot either, aside from layups and runners.
With Thib's history with Rose probably mostly that + knowledge Knicks are prone to dumb moves + possibly a "tryout" in terms of fit.
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CHI will really regret dealing Butler for spare parts. They really need to resist that temptation. Boston is really the only match that makes sense.
Yuck.
If its their first round pick this year.... Id consider it.
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If its their first round pick this year.... Id consider it.
I don't think it would be, they only have control of it if it falls top 3. Otherwise i believe the earliest it can be is 2020 because philly gets the 2018 pick. Could be wrong on that though.
I'm shocked they wouldn't move Ingram for Boogie. I think teams are going to regret big time not grabbing Cousins for cheap.
now rubio is not going to atop me from drafting a point guard but it could open more possibilitiea without desperately needing a point guard
Agreed. Where do you think Josh Hart gets drafted and how do you project him in the NBA?
I'd probably do Rose for Rubio. Knicks would be very Eurocentric though.
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Agreed. Where do you think Josh Hart gets drafted and how do you project him in the NBA?
I'd probably do Rose for Rubio. Knicks would be very Eurocentric though.
Hart is having a nice season but most things I see have him 2nd round as well. Seems like this draft is crazy deep on paper. Brunson isn't going to wow you but he's smart, high character, seems like the kind of PG Phik would like. Hart to me would be a great pickup second round which is another reason I'd love to see more picks added.
And Rose has been what, exactly? Iron man?
Same. He's also halfway through his deal at a pretty decent cost.
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The Knicks, Wolves & Pistons have discussed a three-team trade that sends DRose to Minnesota, Rubio to Detroit & Reggie Jackson to NY (ESPN)
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The Knicks, Wolves & Pistons have discussed a three-team trade that sends DRose to Minnesota, Rubio to Detroit & Reggie Jackson to NY (ESPN)
Such a Knicks move. Score first point guard on a big contract with injury concerns. Teammates also hate playing with him. A hard pass.
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The Clippers want Jae Crowder, Avery Bradley or Smart, and future 1st Round Picks in exchange for Blake Griffin from the Celtics (Via ESPN)
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The Knicks, Wolves & Pistons have discussed a three-team trade that sends DRose to Minnesota, Rubio to Detroit & Reggie Jackson to NY (ESPN)
That's also not what Windhorst said.
Big pass on Reggie Jackson.
I agree and also it sure would be nice to see a Knicks PG at least try and get in the way of another team's PG occasionally. Not saying Rubio is a defensive stopper but at least it won't be the usual magic carpet ride to the rim.
The ringer wrote about it a few weeks ago.
Thing is, by the time the team is ready (if ever) to compete for the East, Melo's days will be over.
Well if you believe Tommy Dee, Boston is a KOQ away from a trip to the finals and should be getting us the BKN pick.
Knicks are getting a late future 1st plus Young and Jackson- two decent young players. Boston doesn't even have room for those young guys and have plenty of picks. Celtics are barely giving up anything. Who says no?
Rubio's deal is longer, thus he is the salary dump, not Rose's expiring deal. I'd hope the Knicks could at least get a 2nd round pick along with taking back Rubio.
I don't think the guy is the next James Harden but he doesn't get any minutes for Boston. When he does he's played well. I would take a chance on him.
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I don't think the guy is the next James Harden but he doesn't get any minutes for Boston. When he does he's played well. I would take a chance on him.
He's made 21 shots in total this year. He can't play defense to save his life. The Celtics use Jerebko and Olynyk as part of their rotation. If he deserved minutes, he would get them. RJ hunter is another Celtic that didn't get minutes. Turns out he wasn't kyle korver that wasn't getting minutes because of the players in front of him.
3 or 4 picks for Carmelo? Good luck getting that.
Most likely scenario is Melo gets moved to the Clippers in the offseason. Who knows though.
You can speak for yourself. Any true knick fan would want the Knicks to get better long term. Sending Melo to Boston isn't going to put them over the Cavs.
When was the last time a 1st rounder was sold straight for cash?
Teams aren't selling picks anymore. Not happening.
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When was the last time a 1st rounder was sold straight for cash?
I think Rondo was dealt basically straight for cash on draft night.
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When was the last time a 1st rounder was sold straight for cash?
I think Rondo was dealt basically straight for cash on draft night.
The Suns got the Cavs 2007 first rounder in that deal too. But my point is the same as TyreeHemlet's. Teams value 1st rounders (and overall picks in general) now more than they did 5 years, let alone 10 years ago. You can buy picks at the end of the 2nd round, but even early 2nd rounders seem to have value.
Where the fuck are you going with this? You first say Boston has to give a minimum of 4 1st round picks as an overpay for Melo and then assume the alternative is giving him away for nothing.
Do you see the return Boogie Cousins just got? No team is giving the Knicks some incredible package of young players and picks. It's not realistic at his age and his contract. The value is moving him this year and improving your draft position into the top 5. That's incredibly valuable if you ask me.
Yeah this deal is terrible. No way the Knicks would agree to that. 1 of Crowder-Smart-Bradley would have to be involved I'm sure.
I grew up in Boston too...Ainge is just a really good GM. Never makes a panic move and only strikes when completely necessary.
Well yeah. Not sure how the convo started but not many GMs would give up KG/Pierce when making the playoffs consistently. You can chalk that one up to luck but then you have the Rondo deal, Jeff Green deal and the IT trade. Ainge A+ manager, D+ drafter. All their non-Nets picks are more valuable to other teams at this point, they shouldn't be clinging onto those anymore.
What would you accept if your Knicks? Let me hear it.
Derrick Rose, New York Knicks: A recent report indicates Minnesota reached out about Rose, and thats fascinating. He has been better than some expected as a scorer this season, showcasing an ability to get to the rim and put pressure on defenses in transition, but his poor defense and reluctance to shoot from deep limits his value. It seems unlikely that New York would be able to get a first-round pick in exchange for a few months of Rose, who will be a free agent in July.
Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks: The safe bet now is that the star forward will not waive his no-trade clause, meaning hell stay in New York the rest of this season. Knicks president Phil Jackson was reportedly determined to move him less than a month ago, so it would be unwise to completely dismiss the possibility. If Jackson can somehow put together a deal that sends him to the Clippers or Cavaliers, then he would surely consider it.
Brandon Jennings, New York Knicks: Like Rose, Jennings would be a rental. Also like Rose, he has not exactly played his best basketball in New York. He might be better in a different system, though, and if the Knicks think hes going elsewhere in free agency, he could come cheap.
Hmm I'm not so sure about that, you need to nail draft picks if you don't have Lebron on your team. I give the Celtics props for managing properly and would welcome Ainge with open arms, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. They haven't won a playoff series in what, 5-6 years? You'd have to think if they nailed drafting they prospects right now would be a lot better.
Like if they drafted Lavine instead of Smart, Gary harris/Capella/hood instead of James Young, Dekker instead of Rozier, Harrel instead of Hunter, and Willy instead of Mickey, their prospects would be much, much better.
The draft is hard, but it's also really hard to screw up draft picks to that degree. Say half of those picks were better, they'd have more assets to give for butler or would be much more willing to part with a Nets pick to land Butler/George
I'd take that and run
Crowders a much better player but he's not super young anymore either. I'd also imagine Boston would want to keep crowder at the 3 and play Melo at the 4.
His tweet was the BOS 2018 pick not the BK 2018 pick. Big difference.
I'd do that in a heartbeat. Great deal for the Knicks.
Ah I was going to ask if bill Simmons or Ben Simmons proposed a nets pick. Would still take that.
Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-8 in 2019 (conveyable if Memphis conveys a 1st round pick to Portland in 2017) and 1-6 in 2020 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Portland by 2018) and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]
Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-8 in 2019 (conveyable if Memphis conveys a 1st round pick to Portland in 2017) and 1-6 in 2020 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Portland by 2018) and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]
If they were really including this pick, I would throw in KOQ or anything besides KP/ Willy to make it work.
This is year 3 for Smart. So I think he has one more full season, then RFA, then UFA.
Still I think there is a lot of value in Smart if you think his shot has upside. I am a massive fan of his defense. He's beyond good on D -- he's disruptive and inspiring.
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This is year 3 for Smart. So I think he has one more full season, then RFA, then UFA.
Still I think there is a lot of value in Smart if you think his shot has upside. I am a massive fan of his defense. He's beyond good on D -- he's disruptive and inspiring.
Deej unlesss sporttact is wrong he has 2 years and then RFA
"2017-18 Contract details by year 22 $4,538,020 $4,538,020 $4,538,020
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Though a pick 3+ years out seems limited in value to begin with. And the BOS 2018 pick would likely be mid-20s. Not a super exciting deal with the 2018 pick coming from BOS instead of BKN, but probably about the best you can hope for after seeing the Cousins deal.
Though a pick 3+ years out seems limited in value to begin with. And the BOS 2018 pick would likely be mid-20s. Not a super exciting deal with the 2018 pick coming from BOS instead of BKN, but probably about the best you can hope for after seeing the Cousins deal.
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has 2 years remaining then is an RFA, Crowder has 3 and then is a UFA. Smart is 4 years younger.
This is year 3 for Smart. So I think he has one more full season, then RFA, then UFA.
Still I think there is a lot of value in Smart if you think his shot has upside. I am a massive fan of his defense. He's beyond good on D -- he's disruptive and inspiring.
Deej unlesss sporttact is wrong he has 2 years and then RFA
"2017-18 Contract details by year 22 $4,538,020 $4,538,020 $4,538,020
2018-19 Contract details by year 23 $6,053,718 $6,053,718 -
2018 Free Agent Year 24
RFA"
I think that indicates that he's an RFA in the 2018 offseason with an option of $6,053,718. UFA would be in 2019. I.e. he has the remainder of this year and next season under contract, then 1 RFA/option season, then a restricted free agent. 2 more years of control, not 3.
You get 5 years of control unless that was just changed in the new CBA. Smart is in his 3rd season.
Agree. Getting Melo without giving up either BK pick is a great deal for them.
Yeah, our rim protectors are pretty good. You get Melo and Rose off this team and bring in a guy like Smart and we could quickly be a top 10 D, especially if KP physically matures. Noah-KP-XX-Lee-Smart is pretty good defensively. Putrid on offense unless that XX (our lottery pick?) is an offensive star/tablesetter.
Agree with all this. Is it possible for them to get Melo and Butler? They have a bunch of contracts that are flexible that I think they should use. Getting Butler and Melo without giving up any of your top players is a serious haul.
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has 2 years remaining then is an RFA, Crowder has 3 and then is a UFA. Smart is 4 years younger.
This is year 3 for Smart. So I think he has one more full season, then RFA, then UFA.
Still I think there is a lot of value in Smart if you think his shot has upside. I am a massive fan of his defense. He's beyond good on D -- he's disruptive and inspiring.
Deej unlesss sporttact is wrong he has 2 years and then RFA
"2017-18 Contract details by year 22 $4,538,020 $4,538,020 $4,538,020
2018-19 Contract details by year 23 $6,053,718 $6,053,718 -
2018 Free Agent Year 24
RFA"
I think that indicates that he's an RFA in the 2018 offseason with an option of $6,053,718. UFA would be in 2019. I.e. he has the remainder of this year and next season under contract, then 1 RFA/option season, then a restricted free agent. 2 more years of control, not 3.
You get 5 years of control unless that was just changed in the new CBA. Smart is in his 3rd season.
Deej the website might be wrong but that is 100% not what is says on there. When a player is a UFA it actually says "UFA". In this case it's clearly indicating he's a RFA in 2 more full seasons.
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actually MUCH prefer Smart to Crowder. Younger, worst case is he's a guy you stick on a top PG and suddenly your bigs look better because the opposing PG isn't blowing by your PG. He's known for coming up with big plays, quick hands. Odds are against him ever becoming a good shooter but he could improve to the point he's merely "not good" vs. awful. His downside is defensive stopper at a key position.
Yeah, our rim protectors are pretty good. You get Melo and Rose off this team and bring in a guy like Smart and we could quickly be a top 10 D, especially if KP physically matures. Noah-KP-XX-Lee-Smart is pretty good defensively. Putrid on offense unless that XX (our lottery pick?) is an offensive star/tablesetter.
Oh don't worry, Jayson Tatum/Jon Isaac is going to be a top tier scorer.
Deej the website might be wrong but that is 100% not what is says on there. When a player is a UFA it actually says "UFA". In this case it's clearly indicating he's a RFA in 2 more full seasons. Link - ( New Window )
It looks like you're misreading the website. What it shows is 4 seasons under contract. 2018-19 is in red, because it is his 5th year option season. The options hasnt been exercised (and the notes say 2016 and 2016 club option exercise). The annotation of 2018 RFA is not a 6th season even though it is in the chart. Indeed, it says "2018" for the RFA season. How can 2018 be a 6th RFA season in addition to 2018-19 as his 5th season?
In any event the rules are the rules no matter what a website says. You get 5 years of control.
Yup. Melo deal or otherwise I think they're willing to part with smart more than any of their other core pieces.
Obviously Magic didn't like him
I honestly think it was more about his volatility than his actual talent. If it was Anthony Davis being dealt to LA Brandon Ingram is gone.
Lets put it this way, I wouldn't deal our pick sight unseen for any player on the Lakers roster. Depends when we pick.
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really they don't have to do much of anything other than move any desirable veterans for young assets. Knicks don't have to be desperate. Even if Melo stays...fine...get assets for anyone you can and draft well. Keep adding assets. They have a lot more assets today than they have in DECADES. Fact. Just keep at it and try to limit the stupid tweets and public embarrassments.
Thing is, by the time the team is ready (if ever) to compete for the East, Melo's days will be over.
That's fair. Nothing we can do about it. If you can get any tangible young assets for Melo you do it but don't panic and move Melo out for an anchor or bad teammate in return. We could do worse than Carmelo Anthony on the Knicks. He's still a good player and as much as we hate this side of things he's an attraction. Even if he's a cancer, which I doubt, you don't compound things by trading him for 2-3 average players that cost a lot.
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I knew it's early, but do any of the Lakers kids really have the look of a franchise player? No need for the Lakers to build slowly through the draft - they can attract free agents easily if they have a decent enough team. Trade the kids for guys like Cousins, George, Butler, etc., and watch the stars flock there in free agency.
Lets put it this way, I wouldn't deal our pick sight unseen for any player on the Lakers roster. Depends when we pick.
I'd trade a lightly protected future first for Russell or Ingram. Randle is the most intriguing laker but he'd be a questionable fit next to KP. Zubac might honestly have the highest ceiling out of everyone on the Lakers and I don't really mean that as a shot to Russ and Ingram (not entirely anyways).
I am 45 and I want to punch the entire city of Boston in the face. ANd that includes the semen stained shit smelling Celtics. If that's not hate...ok fine...I don't hate.
Without knowing where the ping pong balls fall? No I wouldn't. I like Russell but the guy is shooting 39% from the field with a WS/48 of .032. As of right now I have at least 6-7 guys in the draft I would take over Russell (if not more) certainly Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Isaac, Markkanen (yeah not a great fit with KP), Fox, Monk and likely the French kid. If I knew for a fact we were picking 10-12 then yeah. But if the Lakers offered him right now for our pick I'd pass.
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I knew it's early, but do any of the Lakers kids really have the look of a franchise player? No need for the Lakers to build slowly through the draft - they can attract free agents easily if they have a decent enough team. Trade the kids for guys like Cousins, George, Butler, etc., and watch the stars flock there in free agency.
Lets put it this way, I wouldn't deal our pick sight unseen for any player on the Lakers roster. Depends when we pick.
I'd trade a lightly protected future first for Russell or Ingram. Randle is the most intriguing laker but he'd be a questionable fit next to KP. Zubac might honestly have the highest ceiling out of everyone on the Lakers and I don't really mean that as a shot to Russ and Ingram (not entirely anyways).
I agree with all of that. Just saying if Magic called up Phil and offered any of those guys for our pick (no protection) I'd actually pass.
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Without knowing where the ping pong balls fall? No I wouldn't. I like Russell but the guy is shooting 39% from the field with a WS/48 of .032. As of right now I have at least 6-7 guys in the draft I would take over Russell (if not more) certainly Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Isaac, Markkanen (yeah not a great fit with KP), Fox, Monk and likely the French kid. If I knew for a fact we were picking 10-12 then yeah. But if the Lakers offered him right now for our pick I'd pass.
Yeah I don't think I trade a top 10-15 pick in this draft for Russell. But maybe a top 5 protected pick in 2018? Don't know much about that draft but early signs are it's not good. Once someone in the Lakers organization realizes Russ is a 2 guard things will get better for him.
Ingram will probably build his body and be a solid 3. He's just too thin right now but that should be the goal.
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Russell, Ingram and Clarkson are all 2 guards in the NBA.
Ingram will probably build his body and be a solid 3. He's just too thin right now but that should be the goal.
That's a possibility, but he has a long way to go to guard the star 3s of the NBA. How much weight can he gain before his quickness/ups start to fall off? He can be a lock down 2 guard defender and 2s won't be able to take as much advantage of his lack of strength.
Yes, please. Magic was quoted the other day saying it may take 5 years or so to build the Lakers up to a consistent winner - he doesn't strike me as the type to wait that long. Why make this move today if the Lakers aren't going to be aggressive at the trade deadline? They could just as easily have waited til the end of the regular season.
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Russell, Ingram and Clarkson are all 2 guards in the NBA.
Ingram will probably build his body and be a solid 3. He's just too thin right now but that should be the goal.
That's a possibility, but he has a long way to go to guard the star 3s of the NBA. How much weight can he gain before his quickness/ups start to fall off? He can be a lock down 2 guard defender and 2s won't be able to take as much advantage of his lack of strength.
Well he's 19 years old and hasn't even stopped growing yet. When that stops is when he can really add the bulk to his frame. I just think it would serve the Lakers better if he was a SF and since he's always played there that's probably what they envision for him.
You're right about Clarkson and Russell though. Both those guys are more natural SG's.
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do we know for sure magic vetoed the deal?
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thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie and then allowed Magic to veto a deal over Ingram? Yikes.
do we know for sure magic vetoed the deal?
It would be pretty odd for a team to allow an outgoing GM to veto a trade 3 days before they fired him don't you think? I highly doubt this decision was a sudden one. If Jeannie thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie why wouldn't she have stepped in?
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Watched a bunch of Jonathan Isaac video and I have no idea if hell be good but holy hell Im intrigued.
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Can confirm @ESPNSteinLine report Pistons are open to inquiries for Drummond. Sounds more exploratory, gauging temperature of interest.
Her brother sucked, has sucked, and the Lakers needed to go in a different direction. Not sure you how you interpretted that as her being a biotch or "sucking the testosterone" out of Phil, but it seems like you might have some problems with women.
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thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie and then allowed Magic to veto a deal over Ingram? Yikes.
do we know for sure magic vetoed the deal?
It would be pretty odd for a team to allow an outgoing GM to veto a trade 3 days before they fired him don't you think? I highly doubt this decision was a sudden one. If Jeannie thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie why wouldn't she have stepped in?
I was thinking that the lakers wacked the GM because he didn't pull the trigger on boogie. Could be a stretch...who knows.
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thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie and then allowed Magic to veto a deal over Ingram? Yikes.
do we know for sure magic vetoed the deal?
It would be pretty odd for a team to allow an outgoing GM to veto a trade 3 days before they fired him don't you think? I highly doubt this decision was a sudden one. If Jeannie thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie why wouldn't she have stepped in?
I was thinking that the lakers wacked the GM because he didn't pull the trigger on boogie. Could be a stretch...who knows.
I just don't understand why Buss would allow Kupchak to have ANY say if she wanted Boogie so badly. The claim is the GM/Buss didn't even speak since November, how can you both be hands on/furious and let the GM do as he pleases?
I don't think NO ends up that desperate. They have two monster players in the front court. Both young. If I am them I grind things out for as long as possible and not make any panic desperate deals. Maybe they go the nets route but I don't think they have to.
Magic is going to stir shit up in LA. That's for damn sure. May it blow up in your face, magic.
And take Rambis with him. I'm not sure how the league "allows" his wife to be an executive with the Lakers, while he is coaching the Knicks.
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And take Rambis with him. I'm not sure how the league "allows" his wife to be an executive with the Lakers, while he is coaching the Knicks.
They're not married, and they're no longer engaged. I think they're actually split. It was in the news a bit ago.
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FA situation next year the more I think it's not gonna work out with Boogie. Really can't see how they add to their roster without doling out multiple 1sts to get rid of their contracts. Could end up being a BKN-BOS situation again. Would love to get a piece of the action
I don't think NO ends up that desperate. They have two monster players in the front court. Both young. If I am them I grind things out for as long as possible and not make any panic desperate deals. Maybe they go the nets route but I don't think they have to.
Well it would take tremendous patience on NO's part. Their roster is awful. AWFUL. They probably have the worst 4-15 guys in the NBA after Davis, DMC and Holiday. Playoffs are no guanrantes, and I'd say odds are against them getting the 8th seed.
Then you have the risk of Holiday leaving. And if you keep Holiday, they only have the MLE to upgrade their roster. Then you assume Davis and Holiday stay healthy.
Not saying they didn't make a smart move buying super low on Dmc. But they're gonna feel the burn of paying Asik, Moore, Ajinca, and Hill heart $40M a year. Their terrible management of the last 3-4 years is going to bite them in the ass for making a move like this. Not even factoring in how injury-prone Davis and Holiday are. Everything has to go right for them and nothing can really go wrong for them the next season and a half.
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And take Rambis with him. I'm not sure how the league "allows" his wife to be an executive with the Lakers, while he is coaching the Knicks.
They're not married, and they're no longer engaged. I think they're actually split. It was in the news a bit ago.
Sorry, I meant Kurt Rambis, whose wife works for the Lakers as well.
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Her brother sucked, has sucked, and the Lakers needed to go in a different direction. Not sure you how you interpretted that as her being a biotch or "sucking the testosterone" out of Phil, but it seems
like you might have some problems with women.
Oh go fuck yourself, I was joking around and you have to turn a paragraph in jest into a woe me misogyny whine. What qualifications do you have? You can't even spell interpreted correctly, dumb ass. Got to love the sanctimonious tough guy act from some guy in his moms basement.
It just makes too much sense not to. Rose is a Thibs player and Rubio is exactly what Phil/Horny have in mind as a PG. A true thinker who can play D and make his teammates better.
I'd do a Rose for Rubio swap but the Knicks need to get a sweetener for taking the extra years on his deal. Pick swap/ 2nd round pick- something.
You know, since I never watch Minnesota games I took a look at his stats. Man, you're not kidding about being a black hole - his ast/36 is 0.9. That's unspeakably bad.
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You know, since I never watch Minnesota games I took a look at his stats. Man, you're not kidding about being a black hole - his ast/36 is 0.9. That's unspeakably bad.
I was just telling EricNY33 that I've honestly NEVER seen a 3 play as much as he does with so few assists. It seems nearly impossible to do.
I just hate getting my hopes up at the deadline for the Knicks to deal vets for picks or assets only to be disappointed.
This. Rubio is big enough that he can guard 1s and 2s. This frees them up to get someone like Monk who is a combo guard.
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1. If you trade for Rubio, you need to trade Melo. Rubio's strength of a passer would be negated with Melo's iso ball. Getting a guy like Smart somehow, would give you a good defensive backcourt (even though personally I find rubio's defense overrated.)
2. Rubio would be the point guard to vaunt Porz into the leading man, but you would need a shooter to pair with them. A guy like Monk would be ideal, but may be unrealistic. But then in the draft, you would look at a tatum or Isaacs.
3. Even with Rubio, Rambis needs to be fire, as his defensive scheme is worst than players defensive abilities - which is say something.
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rather keep KOQ than include him and take back Muhammad. He's a block hole.
You know, since I never watch Minnesota games I took a look at his stats. Man, you're not kidding about being a black hole - his ast/36 is 0.9. That's unspeakably bad.
I was just telling EricNY33 that I've honestly NEVER seen a 3 play as much as he does with so few assists. It seems nearly impossible to do.
Oubre is no "fan of passing"
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Isaac, tatum, Jackson. Any one of them. All of them have good two way potential. Weight is more of a concern for Isaac than Jackson as he'll be a 3 in the NBA, but he's more athletic than say a Brandon Ingram.
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Does Schmeelk really think the Knicks have any shot on Steph Curry, Lowry, CP in free agency? There are reasons not to trade for Rubio. Having cap room for a marquee free agent isn't one of them.
Isaac is skinny, but 1)he's only 19 and can fill out 2)he can play a hard-nosed game when he has too. If we don't end up with one of the point guards, then Isaac is my next choice.
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Does Schmeelk really think the Knicks have any shot on Steph Curry, Lowry, CP in free agency? There are reasons not to trade for Rubio. Having cap room for a marquee free agent isn't one of them.
CP3 already said he's staying in LA.
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sounds like he has beast upside. I've only seen him once and his body (how thin he was) really stood out but I'm trying not to get my hopes up on one of the big PG's or Jackson so Isaac stands out as "hmmm"
Isaac is skinny, but 1)he's only 19 and can fill out 2)he can play a hard-nosed game when he has too. If we don't end up with one of the point guards, then Isaac is my next choice.
Physically/build wise he sort of reminds me of Bosh at the same stage but yeah he didn't shy away from contact. He's very interesting
Dream scenario with the 1st overall pick, who you taking for the Knicks? For me its Ball, Fultz or Smith. I look forward to watching more of these guys.
Ball reminds me a lot of Jason Kid. Great passing and awesome quick outlets. Would be a dream to get him.
They're 25th in defensive efficiency.
I'm pretty much right there with you. I probably take Isaac/Tatum over monk tho.
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the Knicks are 13th in the NBA in FG% allowed. I thought they would be near the bottom.
They're 25th in defensive efficiency.
Oh I know they are bad.... I just thought teams shot a lot better against them.
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the Knicks are 13th in the NBA in FG% allowed. I thought they would be near the bottom.
They're 25th in defensive efficiency.
Oh I know they are bad.... I just thought teams shot a lot better against them.
eFG% allowed is 9th BEST because their 3 point D is actually decent (3P% against is also 9th). What does stick out in our stats allowed is ORB allowed (worst), FTA (7th worst, 2nd worst in foul rate), and TOs caused (4th worst). Stats are referenced per-possession.
Knicks are bad at pressuring the ball. They have bad non-shooting outcomes on D.
Melo and KP are shooters. Shooters can ALWAYS go off. Who had us beating SAS? I'd be surprised if the current roster closes that bad, especially if KP and Noah get healthy.
If could then trade brook for a 1 and 2 and then take on ezeli for comp- they will have something going for the offseason rfa attempts
If that deadline passes and there's no deal for Rose, why not just buy him out? What purpose does it serve keeping him for the last 25 games?
Why would that be a big deal? He only has 2 years left, so 1 before he becomes an expiring.
There isn't a chance in hell they'd pass up those top PGs because Rubio is on the roster. Minny took Dunn despite having Rubio.
If could then trade brook for a 1 and 2 and then take on ezeli for comp- they will have something going for the offseason rfa attempts
Mirotic might be very gettable, could be a good reward if he can get his 3 point shot figured out.
I struggle to see how we could be stuck with Rubio. Contract runs 2 more seasons. Even assuming it is untradeable, so what? 16-18 minutes as the backup 1, plus time in 2 PG guard sets. Fundamentally, I dont see Melo, Noah, KP, Lee, Fultz/Smith/Ball competing for a title in 2018-19. And then Rubio is done.
More realistic to me is that he has some value in 2018-19 to someone who could use some PG depth/defense. I'd also like to see what he brings as a bench guard, as his athleticism might shine thru better in the less structured game that comes when the starters sit.
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Wolves pursuit of Derrick Rose still very strongThibs wants to do this, says league source w/knowledgebut MIN absolutely keeping Dunn.
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Was Dunn even up for grabs?
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Wolves pursuit of Derrick Rose still very strongThibs wants to do this, says league source w/knowledgebut MIN absolutely keeping Dunn.
Was Dunn even up for grabs?
For Rose? I wouldnt think so. I think it is just a statement that just because they want to trade for Rose, a PG, does not mean that they are looking to move on from Dunn, another PG.
Rubio, Lavine, Wiggins, KAT, Dunn, Dieng. They have the third worst record in the West.
Rubio, Lavine, Wiggins, KAT, Dunn, Dieng. They have the third worst record in the West.
The offensive reputation for all of those guys are levels ahead of where their defense stands. Defense comes much, much later in any player's career.
The Rockets are sending Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to the Lakers for Lou Williams, league source tells @TheVertical.
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In a vacuum I take Williams. If I need a starting SG, I take Lee.
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In what way?
Nvm, thought you were suggesting we were going to beat the Cavs lol.
I'd much rather have Courtney Lee. Lou Williams might be the worst defender in the league.
Courtney Lee and KOQ to the Wizards for picks. They need bench help....
I guess it depends on your expectation. I'd expect the Rose for Rubio trade to go down, and I think it's a safe bet that Jennings and/or KOQ goes for a pick. Melo's almost certainly staying.
I'd much rather have Courtney Lee. Lou Williams might be the worst defender in the league.
Courtney Lee and KOQ to the Wizards for picks. They need bench help....
I don't think anyone was saying NO 1st rounders would be traded. Like Deej said, not all 1st rounders are equal. The Rockets pick could very easily be the 28th pick in the draft and half of Lou Will's value is his contract. Lee's certainly not un-tradeable but his contract isn't amazing, either. He's getting twice what Williams is getting.
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Umm...Emmanuel Mudiay is expected to play on Thursday?
Reggie Jackson? That would be way worse than Rubio....way worse.
I have to believe that these rumors are teams and agents using the media to strengthen their position. Hopefully Phil is smarter than that. We will see.
Reggie Jackson? That would be way worse than Rubio....way worse.
I have to believe that these rumors are teams and agents using the media to strengthen their position. Hopefully Phil is smarter than that. We will see.
Part of what the Knicks need to be doing is developing Porzingis. He's not going to get better surrounded by ball hogs, but he's also not going to get better surrounded by garbage playing for 15 win teams.
You have to field a team, and Rubio isn't a long term commitment.
We need to stop making excuses for KP. Stop blaming Rose for KP's stagnation. KP has not played well this year and that isn't Rose's fault. Rose isn't a facilitator, but he also doesn't hog the ball until he has to. He's had to a lot this year. I understand that his style isn't really going to help KP a ton, but it's not his fault KP hasn't progressed.
Nobody has benefitted from Rose's play this season except Rose demonstrating that he can still score when he wants to.
Minnesota says no. They're picking higher than the Knicks right now. That pick is worth a lot more than KOQ.
Agreed. I don't want Jrue Holiday here on a $100+ million contract. Rubio's a tradeable asset down the line who won't prevent us from drafting a PG this year. I worry about a short-term bump in wins, but hopefully we deal off another piece or two to negate that.
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Because I don't expect this team to spend that money on anything wiser come this offseason.
Agreed. I don't want Jrue Holiday here on a $100+ million contract. Rubio's a tradeable asset down the line who won't prevent us from drafting a PG this year. I worry about a short-term bump in wins, but hopefully we deal off another piece or two to negate that.
See what I don't get is that there's no indication player values are adjusting quickly to the now non-increasing salary cap. Guys like cousins and Paul George are expected to get $200M deals. That's the point of the new CBA right? Give the stars a bigger share of the pot so they have less incentive to leave. By default that means everyone else should be making less, right?
Then why the hell are guys like Jrue Holiday, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, and Jeff Teague expected to get max/near-max deals in the near future? You'd think teams would learn from the Solomon hill and Joakim Noah deals of last season. Teams who will be giving these max contracts to the "pretty good but not great" class of players will be in Deep shit in 3-4 years. Which is why I'm not all that upset if we don't have cap space in the near future. Wait it out, there will be plenty of bad contracts teams will pay to get rid of them. And after that happens there may be yet a time again when you can find Jae Crowders on $6M annual contracts.
Just listened to latest Woj podcast. Few tidbits.
-Knicks are trying really hard to move Rose. Calling around for him and desperately want to trade him. Said it shows they have no interest in resigning him. Doesn't think they can get back much- maybe a bottom of the league PG.
- Doesn't sound like Melo is getting traded. When they called around to gauge his value, teams said they would take him as giveaway and wouldn't give up much. Believes they will revisit it in the offseason but described him as just above a "giveaway" player. Not getting lottery pick or valuable young players for him.
He's gonna be here, probably for his whole remaining contract.
He's gonna be here, probably for his whole remaining contract.
Unfortunately, that is probably true.