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NFT: Knicks Chat: Rose has multiple suitors

DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 9:08 am
According to ESPNs Ian Begley, the Timberwolves have talked to the Knicks about a possible trade involving Rose. Begley reports that it is unclear what the Timberwolves would offer the Knicks for the former MVP. The Timberwolves arent the only team inquiring about Rose as Begley reports that several teams have reached out to the Knicks about their starting point guard.

-Berman is implying Melo prefers LAC/LAL over Cleveland, Boston etc but like everyone else he's saying a deal would be shocking.

-Steve Kyler says Paul has a verbal agreement to remain with LAC and will be official once the new CBA begins.
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What would  
ryanmkeane : 2/21/2017 9:15 am : link
be the point of Minnesota going after Rose? Simply a cap move?
Multiple suitors for Rose is good for the Knicks.  
Heisenberg : 2/21/2017 9:17 am : link
I still kinda doubt that a Melo trade will happen during the season. Maybe in the offseason.

I'd give Rubio a chance here. He at least tries on defense and it's not like Rose can shoot either, aside from layups and runners.
RE: What would  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 9:18 am : link
In comment 13366281 ryanmkeane said:
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be the point of Minnesota going after Rose? Simply a cap move?


With Thib's history with Rose probably mostly that + knowledge Knicks are prone to dumb moves + possibly a "tryout" in terms of fit.
Would be great if Melo to LAL...  
Italianju : 2/21/2017 9:21 am : link
started gaining traction. That said they didnt trade for Cousins so i have no idea why they would want Melo. Even if they wont trade ingram they have quite a few assets id find somewhat appealing. Def better then everyone but BOS.
Apparently LAL  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 9:25 am : link
Offered williams, Randle, Clarkson and picks for Butler.

Yuck.
RE: Apparently LAL  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 9:26 am : link
In comment 13366299 giantsfan44ab said:
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Offered williams, Randle, Clarkson and picks for Butler.

Yuck.


CHI will really regret dealing Butler for spare parts. They really need to resist that temptation. Boston is really the only match that makes sense.
RE: Apparently LAL  
dep026 : 2/21/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13366299 giantsfan44ab said:
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Offered williams, Randle, Clarkson and picks for Butler.

Yuck.


If its their first round pick this year.... Id consider it.
Am I missing something with clarkson?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 9:28 am : link
My Lakers fan friend ishead over heels about him. He's a nice player for where he was drafted, but everything about him screams backup scoring guard to me.
RE: RE: Apparently LAL  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 9:30 am : link
In comment 13366304 dep026 said:
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Offered williams, Randle, Clarkson and picks for Butler.

Yuck.



If its their first round pick this year.... Id consider it.


I don't think it would be, they only have control of it if it falls top 3. Otherwise i believe the earliest it can be is 2020 because philly gets the 2018 pick. Could be wrong on that though.
Give Him Away With the Caveat  
Suburbanites : 2/21/2017 9:31 am : link
You have to take Noah too. Yea, that's not not going to happen, dreaming is healthy though.
A Lakers squad with butler but minus  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 9:33 am : link
Clarkson, Randle and williams is not all that better than the current bulls team.
RE: Would be great if Melo to LAL...  
TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13366292 Italianju said:
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started gaining traction. That said they didnt trade for Cousins so i have no idea why they would want Melo. Even if they wont trade ingram they have quite a few assets id find somewhat appealing. Def better then everyone but BOS.


I'm shocked they wouldn't move Ingram for Boogie. I think teams are going to regret big time not grabbing Cousins for cheap.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 10:00 am : link
think Jalen Brunson could be a second round target for Phil if they don't get a PG 1st round.
One thing about getting rubio  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2017 10:04 am : link
in the slot they are in now draft wise, it makes a guy monk a very good fit..

now rubio is not going to atop me from drafting a point guard but it could open more possibilitiea without desperately needing a point guard
RE: I  
TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 10:16 am : link
In comment 13366359 DanMetroMan said:
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think Jalen Brunson could be a second round target for Phil if they don't get a PG 1st round.


Agreed. Where do you think Josh Hart gets drafted and how do you project him in the NBA?

I'd probably do Rose for Rubio. Knicks would be very Eurocentric though.
Does Rubio make sense  
Canton : 2/21/2017 10:20 am : link
with the injury history? He's missed so many games in his career.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 10:21 am : link
In comment 13366381 TyreeHelmet said:
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think Jalen Brunson could be a second round target for Phil if they don't get a PG 1st round.



Agreed. Where do you think Josh Hart gets drafted and how do you project him in the NBA?

I'd probably do Rose for Rubio. Knicks would be very Eurocentric though.


Hart is having a nice season but most things I see have him 2nd round as well. Seems like this draft is crazy deep on paper. Brunson isn't going to wow you but he's smart, high character, seems like the kind of PG Phik would like. Hart to me would be a great pickup second round which is another reason I'd love to see more picks added.
To  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 10:25 am : link
me the main appeal of Rubio for Rose is I think Rubio is better for KP/Willy's development so for that reason I'd probably do it.
RE: Does Rubio make sense  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 10:25 am : link
In comment 13366386 Canton said:
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with the injury history? He's missed so many games in his career.


And Rose has been what, exactly? Iron man?
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giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13366390 DanMetroMan said:
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me the main appeal of Rubio for Rose is I think Rubio is better for KP/Willy's development so for that reason I'd probably do it.


Same. He's also halfway through his deal at a pretty decent cost.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 10:27 am : link
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The Knicks, Wolves & Pistons have discussed a three-team trade that sends DRose to Minnesota, Rubio to Detroit & Reggie Jackson to NY (ESPN)
I hate Reggie Jackson's game.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2017 10:29 am : link
Hopefully that report is just piggybacking off Windhorst's speculation on ESPN last night.
Jazz are shopping favors.  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 10:30 am : link
Would anyone be opposed to swapping KOQ for favors? Favors has been very injury prone but was very good the last few years. Would be a buy low target. I also think he's a center, not a PF. Would be a solid 5 next to KP. Grans boards and plays defense.
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TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 10:31 am : link
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The Knicks, Wolves & Pistons have discussed a three-team trade that sends DRose to Minnesota, Rubio to Detroit & Reggie Jackson to NY (ESPN)


Such a Knicks move. Score first point guard on a big contract with injury concerns. Teammates also hate playing with him. A hard pass.
RE: I hate Reggie Jackson's game.  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2017 10:32 am : link
In comment 13366395 bceagle05 said:
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Hopefully that report is just piggybacking off Windhorst's speculation on ESPN last night.


legion hoops just retweets reports, more than likely it is windhorst report they are reporting
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 10:34 am : link
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The Clippers want Jae Crowder, Avery Bradley or Smart, and future 1st Round Picks in exchange for Blake Griffin from the Celtics (Via ESPN)
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Jon in NYC : 2/21/2017 10:34 am : link
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The Knicks, Wolves & Pistons have discussed a three-team trade that sends DRose to Minnesota, Rubio to Detroit & Reggie Jackson to NY (ESPN)


That's also not what Windhorst said.

Big pass on Reggie Jackson.
Gary  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 10:35 am : link
Washburn claims Melo WOULD waive his NTC to go to Boston. Didn't supply any evidence of this though.
I think the 3 way is speculative  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2017 10:37 am : link
because reports are minnesota wants rose, detroit wants rubio so they just assume knicks take jackson
If he's willing to go to Boston  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2017 10:38 am : link
I would just take whatever I can get from Boston at this point. Even their "B" package is better than anything Cleveland or LAC would give us.
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Stu11 : 2/21/2017 10:48 am : link
In comment 13366390 DanMetroMan said:
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me the main appeal of Rubio for Rose is I think Rubio is better for KP/Willy's development so for that reason I'd probably do it.

I agree and also it sure would be nice to see a Knicks PG at least try and get in the way of another team's PG occasionally. Not saying Rubio is a defensive stopper but at least it won't be the usual magic carpet ride to the rim.
Boston/ Clippers  
TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 10:51 am : link
Any chance for a 3 way trade where Blake ends up in Boston, Melo/ Bradley in LA, and Knicks get young players/ picks from Boston?

The ringer wrote about it a few weeks ago.
We will take whomever they want as long as some picks  
Carl in CT : 2/21/2017 11:04 am : link
Are involved. I'm surprised we are not hearing more about KOQ and Jennings. I thought more teams would be in on them. Perfect players for a playoff push.
knicks don't have to move noah as part of a salary dump  
djm : 2/21/2017 11:05 am : link
really they don't have to do much of anything other than move any desirable veterans for young assets. Knicks don't have to be desperate. Even if Melo stays...fine...get assets for anyone you can and draft well. Keep adding assets. They have a lot more assets today than they have in DECADES. Fact. Just keep at it and try to limit the stupid tweets and public embarrassments.
RE: knicks don't have to move noah as part of a salary dump  
ryanmkeane : 2/21/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13366448 djm said:
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really they don't have to do much of anything other than move any desirable veterans for young assets. Knicks don't have to be desperate. Even if Melo stays...fine...get assets for anyone you can and draft well. Keep adding assets. They have a lot more assets today than they have in DECADES. Fact. Just keep at it and try to limit the stupid tweets and public embarrassments.

Thing is, by the time the team is ready (if ever) to compete for the East, Melo's days will be over.
Rubio has a longer contract that  
Reeses Pieces : 2/21/2017 11:09 am : link
the Wolves are trying to rid themselves of. Rose is a salary dump and extra compensation needs to be delivered. If dealing with the Wolves its either picks or take on Noahs contract to for Pekovic.
RE: knicks don't have to move noah as part of a salary dump  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13366448 djm said:
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really they don't have to do much of anything other than move any desirable veterans for young assets. Knicks don't have to be desperate. Even if Melo stays...fine...get assets for anyone you can and draft well. Keep adding assets. They have a lot more assets today than they have in DECADES. Fact. Just keep at it and try to limit the stupid tweets and public embarrassments.


Well if you believe Tommy Dee, Boston is a KOQ away from a trip to the finals and should be getting us the BKN pick.
Boston  
TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 11:23 am : link
What about a deal just with Boston? Melo for Amir Johnson/ Jerekbo/ James Young and D. Jackson and a non Brooklyn pick?

Knicks are getting a late future 1st plus Young and Jackson- two decent young players. Boston doesn't even have room for those young guys and have plenty of picks. Celtics are barely giving up anything. Who says no?
James Young  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 11:25 am : link
Is a D-leaguer
RE: Rubio has a longer contract that  
giants#1 : 2/21/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13366452 Reeses Pieces said:
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the Wolves are trying to rid themselves of. Rose is a salary dump and extra compensation needs to be delivered. If dealing with the Wolves its either picks or take on Noahs contract to for Pekovic.


Rubio's deal is longer, thus he is the salary dump, not Rose's expiring deal. I'd hope the Knicks could at least get a 2nd round pick along with taking back Rubio.
RE: James Young  
TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 11:30 am : link
In comment 13366466 giantsfan44ab said:
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Is a D-leaguer


I don't think the guy is the next James Harden but he doesn't get any minutes for Boston. When he does he's played well. I would take a chance on him.
I say no to Boston  
Carl in CT : 2/21/2017 11:30 am : link
In no way do I help them for a bag of shit. They have to help us. All those players you can sign off the street in the offseason. Now if you tell me 3-4 picks are involved I might change my tune.
RE: RE: James Young  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13366473 TyreeHelmet said:
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Is a D-leaguer



I don't think the guy is the next James Harden but he doesn't get any minutes for Boston. When he does he's played well. I would take a chance on him.


He's made 21 shots in total this year. He can't play defense to save his life. The Celtics use Jerebko and Olynyk as part of their rotation. If he deserved minutes, he would get them. RJ hunter is another Celtic that didn't get minutes. Turns out he wasn't kyle korver that wasn't getting minutes because of the players in front of him.
RE: I say no to Boston  
TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13366476 Carl in CT said:
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In no way do I help them for a bag of shit. They have to help us. All those players you can sign off the street in the offseason. Now if you tell me 3-4 picks are involved I might change my tune.


3 or 4 picks for Carmelo? Good luck getting that.

Most likely scenario is Melo gets moved to the Clippers in the offseason. Who knows though.
Point is  
Carl in CT : 2/21/2017 11:39 am : link
I keep Melo rather than give him to Boston. That's one team which has to overpay in my book. Any true Knick fan feels the same way.
I can't think of a worse team at drafting  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 11:40 am : link
than Boston over the last 5+ years. They don't get flack because Ainge has been on point on personnel moves so it masks it. Their best draft pick in recent history has been Marcus smart. They're not gonna mess up the Nets picks because you really can't picking that high. But if Boston is picking in the late lottery there's a pretty good chance they're gonna fuck up the pick. Not sure why it is, I think they look to go for "NBA ready" players with noted limited ceilings and end up getting useless players. Still a wait and see on their euro picks.
Remember late 1's  
Carl in CT : 2/21/2017 11:40 am : link
You can buy on draft night. Seconds also.
RE: Point is  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13366486 Carl in CT said:
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I keep Melo rather than give him to Boston. That's one team which has to overpay in my book. Any true Knick fan feels the same way.


You can speak for yourself. Any true knick fan would want the Knicks to get better long term. Sending Melo to Boston isn't going to put them over the Cavs.
RE: Remember late 1's  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13366491 Carl in CT said:
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You can buy on draft night. Seconds also.


When was the last time a 1st rounder was sold straight for cash?
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TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 11:52 am : link
I don't care where Melo goes if he can be moved. I just don't want him going for 35 points in late March/ Early April winning meaningless games for the Knicks and hurting their draft position.

Teams aren't selling picks anymore. Not happening.
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