According to ESPN’s Ian Begley, the Timberwolves have talked to the Knicks about a possible trade involving Rose. Begley reports that “it is unclear” what the Timberwolves would offer the Knicks for the former MVP. The Timberwolves aren’t the only team inquiring about Rose as Begley reports that “several teams” have reached out to the Knicks about their starting point guard.
-Berman is implying Melo prefers LAC/LAL over Cleveland, Boston etc but like everyone else he's saying a deal would be shocking.
-Steve Kyler says Paul has a verbal agreement to remain with LAC and will be official once the new CBA begins.
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You can buy on draft night. Seconds also.
When was the last time a 1st rounder was sold straight for cash?
I think Rondo was dealt basically straight for cash on draft night.
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In comment 13366491 Carl in CT said:
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You can buy on draft night. Seconds also.
When was the last time a 1st rounder was sold straight for cash?
I think Rondo was dealt basically straight for cash on draft night.
The Suns got the Cavs 2007 first rounder in that deal too. But my point is the same as TyreeHemlet's. Teams value 1st rounders (and overall picks in general) now more than they did 5 years, let alone 10 years ago. You can buy picks at the end of the 2nd round, but even early 2nd rounders seem to have value.
Where the fuck are you going with this? You first say Boston has to give a minimum of 4 1st round picks as an overpay for Melo and then assume the alternative is giving him away for nothing.
Do you see the return Boogie Cousins just got? No team is giving the Knicks some incredible package of young players and picks. It's not realistic at his age and his contract. The value is moving him this year and improving your draft position into the top 5. That's incredibly valuable if you ask me.
Yeah this deal is terrible. No way the Knicks would agree to that. 1 of Crowder-Smart-Bradley would have to be involved I'm sure.
I grew up in Boston too...Ainge is just a really good GM. Never makes a panic move and only strikes when completely necessary.
Well yeah. Not sure how the convo started but not many GMs would give up KG/Pierce when making the playoffs consistently. You can chalk that one up to luck but then you have the Rondo deal, Jeff Green deal and the IT trade. Ainge A+ manager, D+ drafter. All their non-Nets picks are more valuable to other teams at this point, they shouldn't be clinging onto those anymore.
What would you accept if your Knicks? Let me hear it.
Derrick Rose, New York Knicks: A recent report indicates Minnesota reached out about Rose, and that’s fascinating. He has been better than some expected as a scorer this season, showcasing an ability to get to the rim and put pressure on defenses in transition, but his poor defense and reluctance to shoot from deep limits his value. It seems unlikely that New York would be able to get a first-round pick in exchange for a few months of Rose, who will be a free agent in July.
Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks: The safe bet now is that the star forward will not waive his no-trade clause, meaning he’ll stay in New York the rest of this season. Knicks president Phil Jackson was reportedly “determined” to move him less than a month ago, so it would be unwise to completely dismiss the possibility. If Jackson can somehow put together a deal that sends him to the Clippers or Cavaliers, then he would surely consider it.
Brandon Jennings, New York Knicks: Like Rose, Jennings would be a rental. Also like Rose, he has not exactly played his best basketball in New York. He might be better in a different system, though, and if the Knicks think he’s going elsewhere in free agency, he could come cheap.
Hmm I'm not so sure about that, you need to nail draft picks if you don't have Lebron on your team. I give the Celtics props for managing properly and would welcome Ainge with open arms, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. They haven't won a playoff series in what, 5-6 years? You'd have to think if they nailed drafting they prospects right now would be a lot better.
Like if they drafted Lavine instead of Smart, Gary harris/Capella/hood instead of James Young, Dekker instead of Rozier, Harrel instead of Hunter, and Willy instead of Mickey, their prospects would be much, much better.
The draft is hard, but it's also really hard to screw up draft picks to that degree. Say half of those picks were better, they'd have more assets to give for butler or would be much more willing to part with a Nets pick to land Butler/George
I'd take that and run
Crowders a much better player but he's not super young anymore either. I'd also imagine Boston would want to keep crowder at the 3 and play Melo at the 4.
His tweet was the BOS 2018 pick not the BK 2018 pick. Big difference.
I'd do that in a heartbeat. Great deal for the Knicks.
Ah I was going to ask if bill Simmons or Ben Simmons proposed a nets pick. Would still take that.
Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-8 in 2019 (conveyable if Memphis conveys a 1st round pick to Portland in 2017) and 1-6 in 2020 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Portland by 2018) and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]
Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-8 in 2019 (conveyable if Memphis conveys a 1st round pick to Portland in 2017) and 1-6 in 2020 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Portland by 2018) and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]
If they were really including this pick, I would throw in KOQ or anything besides KP/ Willy to make it work.
This is year 3 for Smart. So I think he has one more full season, then RFA, then UFA.
Still I think there is a lot of value in Smart if you think his shot has upside. I am a massive fan of his defense. He's beyond good on D -- he's disruptive and inspiring.
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has 2 years remaining then is an RFA, Crowder has 3 and then is a UFA. Smart is 4 years younger.
This is year 3 for Smart. So I think he has one more full season, then RFA, then UFA.
Still I think there is a lot of value in Smart if you think his shot has upside. I am a massive fan of his defense. He's beyond good on D -- he's disruptive and inspiring.
Deej unlesss sporttact is wrong he has 2 years and then RFA
"2017-18 Contract details by year 22 $4,538,020 $4,538,020 $4,538,020
2018-19 Contract details by year 23 $6,053,718 $6,053,718 -
2018 Free Agent Year 24
RFA"
Though a pick 3+ years out seems limited in value to begin with. And the BOS 2018 pick would likely be mid-20s. Not a super exciting deal with the 2018 pick coming from BOS instead of BKN, but probably about the best you can hope for after seeing the Cousins deal.
Though a pick 3+ years out seems limited in value to begin with. And the BOS 2018 pick would likely be mid-20s. Not a super exciting deal with the 2018 pick coming from BOS instead of BKN, but probably about the best you can hope for after seeing the Cousins deal.
2017 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Portland (via Cleveland to Denver) protected for selections 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015; Denver-Portland, 2/13/2017]